What is Georgia Tech’s transfer policy for football players?

What is Georgia Tech’s transfer policy for football players? We’ll let Paul Johnson explain:

“Well, we don’t have a strict set policy, and we try to evaluate each one on their own merit,” Johnson told the AJC.

“You try to sit down with the guys and find out why they are leaving. Depending on the situation, each one can be different. As a general rule, it’s hard to transfer with the ACC because they have to sit out two years [per ACC rules]. So that part of it, going anywhere within our league, is pretty much taken care of. And, you know, you genuinely try to watch it so you don’t have to play against guys, if you think they can help beat you.”

Paul Johnson

Paul Johnson doesn't have a hard and fast transfer policy: “I try to evaluate each one on merit." (Chick-fil-A)

Two of UGA’s coaches, Mark Richt and Mark Fox, allow players to transfer anywhere, including within the SEC. Georgia Tech basketball coach Brian Gregory has a policy against ACC schools and UGA but said he “wouldn’t fight it” if a transfer wanted to go to one of those schools.

Is Johnson’s policy pretty close to Gregory’s policy?

“I never had anybody that wanted to transfer to a member school because, like with us in the ACC, they would have to sit out two years to go to a school within the conference, so it really makes no sense.

“I try to evaluate each one on merit. If a kid wants to go home because his mother is sick, then that would be different than ‘I want to home because I don’t like the system.’ So each one, I look at individually, and see how we fit.

“We haven’t had a lot of guys transfer since my first year here. I can’t think of a guy that went to another D1 school. We’ve had some go down [to I-AA] because of playing time.”

What about releasing a player to go to archrival UGA? “I would have to evaluate and see what the reason was, and then we would go from there,” Johnson said.

Several college coaches, including Tennessee’s Derek Dooley and Wisconsin’s Bo Ryan, have caused public backlash after putting severe restrictions on transfer players. Per NCAA rules, any player that transfers to another D1 school is already penalized by having to sit out one season.

“I think [transfers] are a little more prevalent in basketball than football,” Johnson said. “Generally, when kids transfer in football, it’s because they are not playing. And you know, once in a while, you will have a kid transfer because of the system or something.

“But, you know, they know what they’re signing up for, so that has not been an issue for me through the years. I’ve had very few guys transfer because of the system. Most of them transfer because they’re not playing, and they go down a level.”

What is Mark Richt’s transfer policy? Go here

Note: Johnson and former Georgia Tech basketball star Jon Barry teamed together to win Monday’s Chick-fil-A Bowl Challenge golf tournament, earning the school $125,000 in scholarship money.

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SoCal_GT_Fan

May 3rd, 2012
1:12 am

The only player I recall transferring to a D1A school was Jordan Luallen (Cincinnati). I’m of course talking about only the recruits that were recruited by CPJ… There were quite a few guys who were recruited by CCG that transferred…..

P. Bull Terrier

May 3rd, 2012
1:31 am

If I was making a choice between playing at Georgia or playing at Tech, and I considered all other factors to balance out at equal between the two programs, Geirgia would have a big edge over Tech due to Mark Richt’s position on transfers vs. Paul Johnson’s position. Richt’s first concern is doing what is best for the player. Johnson policy is harder to pin down, but it apears that his concern is that the departing player not be able to help beat Johnson’s team. I’m not saying Johnson’s policy is wrong. Just when matched up against Mark Richt’s “I want what’s best for the player” phylosophy, Johnson’s policy seems kind of petty (even considering that ACC rules dictate part of the policy. If I am a recruit trying to pick the school where I will spend the next four years of my life, I would pick Mark Richt and UGA because I believe they would consider my best interest when they needed to make any major decisions.

GT fan

May 3rd, 2012
1:45 am

$125K in scholarship $$$ – nice.

Didn’t know that about the 2 year transfer policy in the ACC. Guess that makes more sense why the Maryland guy only had SEC schools on his list to transfer to.

GT fan

May 3rd, 2012
1:49 am

P. Bull Terrier … wonder how your opinion would change if say C. Lemay transferred to South Cackalack and became a 4-year starter going 4-0 vs UGA, winning a Heisman or 2, and a NC.

Gravy Train

May 3rd, 2012
3:07 am

I’m sure glad Turkey Neck won that trophy. It’s probably the only one he will win for a long time. Plus, that $125 K is probably more than what he will sell in season tickets.

@SoCal

May 3rd, 2012
6:27 am

Transfers from Tech recently IIRC:
Jaybo Shaw, Cooper Taylor, Jordan Luallen, Joe Gilbert, Clyde Yandell, Ryan Ayers, Carl Miles, Phil Smith… any more??

Jailyard Dwag.......

May 3rd, 2012
7:13 am

Well, after our players steal from their teammates and should be prosecuted, we just send them to a junior college and wait one year for their return. They were 5*s. No need to mess with that transfer thing.

FL Jacket

May 3rd, 2012
7:54 am

@SoCal…

Marcus Wright (graduated with 1 year of eligibility remaining) is the only other one I can think of.

Of course, we’re not talking about the players that left in 2008 because of the system change in Taylor Bennett, Colin Peek, D.J. Donley, and others.

Red Dawn

May 3rd, 2012
8:08 am

Alabama got a TE transfer from GT in 09 Colin Peek and was a starter
on the NC team. He caught a touchdown against the Barn and Florida
in the SECGC!! RTR

UGA Lee

May 3rd, 2012
8:19 am

Enjoy an article a week rehashing old article’s that aren’t relavant anymore GT fans. Carvel, who is suppose to be unbiased, is no better than one of the Rival/Scout/247 guys who get paid to write about UGA football. This from the states biggest newspaper.

Riddle me this

May 3rd, 2012
8:31 am

@@SoCal, SoCal mentioned transferring to another D1 school. Shaw went to Southern, Taylor to Richmond, Yandell and Gilbert to GSU, and Ayers to Liberty. Miles went to Kansas St, Smith is going to UCF (I believe he was dismissed from the team), and Luallen went to Cincinnati (which was much closer to home). So overall, Johnson is correct when he says very few guys have transferred to another division 1 school without a good reason.

FL Jacket

May 3rd, 2012
8:35 am

Thank goodness Vad Lee didn’t show up on the list of “players transferring to other D1 schools”…

nate from detroit

May 3rd, 2012
8:38 am

For all of Johnson’s bluster and his desire to make you feel like he is a no-nonsense kind of guy, why can’t he answer a simple question with a simple answer? His answer read like a politician’s answer to any policy question that they are asked. It brought to memory the famous ” it’s according to what your definition of what the word is, is” answer that our infamous former commander in chief gave.

Jacket Man

May 3rd, 2012
8:47 am

Paul Johnson can’t win for losing with you guys. Either he’s too much of a smart aleck with his answers, he’s too terse, or he’s not answering the questions direct enough. I’ve got news for you, sometimes questions can’t be answered exactly one way; there are several factors involved. And when you are dealing with something as serious as one of your players leaving your program, it’s not a matter to be joking around with.

The real issue; the real question everyone should be asking is why there isn’t a national standard all of the colleges can be following rather than having to work differently by conferences. On the other hand, that would mean the NCAA would probably be the clearinghouse to manage these transfers, and we all know how fairly and logically they conduct THEIR business, don’t we?

WnE

May 3rd, 2012
8:50 am

re:
“I try to evaluate each one on merit. If a kid wants to go home because his mother is sick, then that would be different than ‘I want to home because I don’t like the system.’ So each one, I look at individually, and see how we fit.
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That quote by CPJ above is rather disturbing.

It doesn’t make any darn difference WHY the SA wants to transfer, like CMR said, “life is too short”, let the SA go where he wants to where he thinks he can reach HIS LIFE’S GOALS.

When CPJ left NAVY for more MONEY at GT, the Navy AD didn’t say, “we need to see what your reasons are Paul and we’ll decide on a case by case basis”.

CPJ’s quote above shows that he has the POTENTIAL to be a Edsal or a Wisconsin -Basketball-Coach (don’t know his name), if a GT player wanted to transfer to UGA for example.

Under Adams and the last ADs, UGA’s policy is that a SA can transfer anywhere they want to even in the SEC.

UGA’s policy is the best policy and I’d like to see the NCAA step in and override conference rules like the ACC’s and adopt a policy like UGA’s for all D-A colleges.

If coaches can take advantage of “free movement”, the players should be able to as well.

Also, a HC that makes between $1.5 million and $6 million (Saban) per year should be able to continue to win and keep their jobs even if they 2-3 players in the off -season.

CPJ sounds out-dated and antiquated, if HCs were making $250K to $500K, that would be a different story, but with the money they make and the lifetime financial security they can get from just ONE contract, they shouldn’t have any problem with a player wanting to transfer FOR ANY REASON.

just saying

May 3rd, 2012
8:52 am

first, instead of winning the golf CPJ, how bout winning the ACC football championship?

2nd, whoever keeps venting for deceased players to RIP on the sports vents, how bout you RIP? You have got to be the same guy that wants all UGA and GT players and fans to gather around a campfire and sing Kum ba yah together.

WnE

May 3rd, 2012
8:52 am

D-A colleges should be D1-A colleges

WnE

May 3rd, 2012
8:57 am

re:
Jacket Man

May 3rd, 2012
8:47 am

Paul Johnson can’t win for losing with you guys. Either he’s too much of a smart aleck with his answers, he’s too terse, or he’s not answering the questions direct enough. I’ve got news for you, sometimes questions can’t be answered exactly one way; there are several factors involved. And when you are dealing with something as serious as one of your players leaving your program, it’s not a matter to be joking around with.

The real issue; the real question everyone should be asking is why there isn’t a national standard all of the colleges can be following rather than having to work differently by conferences. On the other hand, that would mean the NCAA would probably be the clearinghouse to manage these transfers, and we all know how fairly and logically they conduct THEIR business, don’t we?
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That question that you claimed had no direct answer to:

It sure was pretty EASY for BOTH CMR & Coach Fox at our HATED Rival to answer rather easily & directly!

BTW, I already did ask why we don’t have an NCAA set standard.

You know, for a golfer...

May 3rd, 2012
9:00 am

…CPJ is really not that bad of a football coach…

[...] What Is Georgia Tech’s Transfer Policy for Football Players? (Atlanta Journal-Constitution) [...]

FL Jacket

May 3rd, 2012
9:07 am

“It sure was pretty EASY for BOTH CMR & Coach Fox at our HATED Rival to answer rather easily & directly!”

WnE…

They, unlike CPJ, get lots of practice having these conversations with kids. If Zach Mettenberger lights up UGA’s defense, I’m sure you and the rest of the UGA fanbase will second-guess CMR’s generosity…because as well as life being “too short”, so will his coaching future at UGA.

nate from detroit

May 3rd, 2012
9:12 am

I know there is a little more involved due to players being on scholarship, but Jacket man if a student who is getting a scholarship from Tech gets unhappy and wants to leave and go to another school, he can just leave. Why should it be any different for a player, unless the coach is afraid said student athlete will transfer to a rival and beat his former coach/team. Also, if a player was on your team and left, and assuming you are a good coach, wouldn’t you know some of the player’s weaknesses to exploit to help you win against his new team?

dawgfan

May 3rd, 2012
9:15 am

Zach Mettenberger has absolutely nothing to do with Mark Richt’s transfer policy. He was kicked off of the team. He did not transfer. You are a moron and need to shut up.

Thanks.

HighTech

May 3rd, 2012
9:37 am

From Vad Lee:

“@WrecksNEffect yo I don’t know you and I would really like if you stop tweeting me! Thank you and God bless!”

few minutes later:

“Although I do encourage you to watch GT football this year and years to come!”

Wow, very classy of that young man to handle the situation like that.

HighTech

May 3rd, 2012
9:40 am

WOW…none of the names we call this guy can ever come close to how Vad chose to handle the situation.

From his twitter:

“@WreckNEffect haha poor guy I’m happy to know that you take so much interest in my Career. God Bless and I will say a special prayer for u”

I mean, how do you top that?!!

WnE

May 3rd, 2012
9:43 am

High TEXT:

Is that the best you can do to defend Coach PeeJay?

18 month old twitter messages?

Are they even related to the issue at hand?

CPJ one again side-steps tough questions from the local Media, the same EXACT questions that were asked of other HCs in THIS STATE, and YET you say nothing about the topic at hand and pull up some old crap from ANOTHER communication medium aay from the AJC that is dated.

Have I stopped making ACCURATE commentary?

Has Coach PeeJay answered tough question direct & head-on?

Your replay makes you come across as quite a wuss High TEXT!

WnE

May 3rd, 2012
9:45 am

WnE

May 3rd, 2012
9:47 am

Simple Question High TEXT:

What would CPJ have had to say to satisfy you as a GT Fan to those questions that were put to him?

HighTech

May 3rd, 2012
9:48 am

wipemygailey

20 months

HelluvaMGTmjr said…

I can assure you Wrex is a legit Tech fan and the board was better when he was here, even if he drove everyone crazy.

Well then who the hell is the guy since you seem to know him? I have invited him up to my box on several occassions for an ass whipping yet he never shows? Coward! It takes a low life scumbag to go on a recruit’s twitter page and negative recruit GT. It takes an even bigger scumbag to try and get us on secondary violations with the NCAA.

Rexy, you are more than welcome to PM me with your real name and I will have no problem giving you mine and I would be more than excited for you to make a trip up to the box this upcoming season as I have some ex GT athletes that would love to personally meet you…you gutless turd!!!

HighTech

May 3rd, 2012
9:50 am

vamosjackets said…

How can you assure us? Do you know him personally? If not, there’s no way you can assure anything because he can say whatever he wants online to maintain his shtick. I think you’re dead wrong on this one, and I think you’re saying this because he was one of the few who hated CPJ and his offense along with you. Here’s the giveaway on him: He was NEVER positive. Plenty of posters vent during a bad time, but he was on a Tech suicide mission even in the best of times.

You are mostly negative, but I agree with DCS that you concede good things as well.

Lastly, how do you give him a pass when he truly makes SERIOUS attempts to hurt Tech in recruiting. He did it with Synjyn Days and with Mack Crowder WHILE HE WAS STILL HERE. He went to Mack Crowder’s personal blog and tried to bash Tech and CPJ … and it worked. Mack was high on us and then fell off the map.

How can YOU, Helluvamgtmjr, not oppose him for that, if you really are a Tech fan?????? That is simply a crossing of a line nobody can justify.

student athlete

May 3rd, 2012
9:52 am

Hey Mike,
That sick mother answer was pretty good. I have a good question to ask johnson:

Ask him what his policy is concerning excusing a player due to a “potential death” of immediate family member, death with in 24 hours.

HighTech

May 3rd, 2012
9:55 am

stonedwall

srschirm said…

. . . if this is indeed him communicating with Vad, he definitely crossed a line.

i couldn’t agree more. any true fan would be ecstatic to have a player of vad lee’s caliber. whether you like the coach or not, why would a fan who cares about this program be hellbent on trying to run away talent that can help you win? talk about vitriolic AND idiotic!

if wrecks doesn’t like CPJ then go after CPJ. but, a grown man perpetrating mindgames in the public eye with a HS kid is beyond the pale.

HighTech

May 3rd, 2012
9:56 am

GTmoney

Jim Hart said…

Wrecks is irrelevant.. a total non-factor. His only claim to fame was once being a member here.

Love it. Banned his ass (ass waving smily) <- can use them for some reason at work.

I was thinking, since we have banned him from all Tech blogs, the only way to get out his anger now it at the recruits or ajc blog (which allows everyone). We have closed off a valve he used to vent with and now he is taking it out on the only place left he can communicate. Just some food for thought….

George Stein

May 3rd, 2012
9:57 am

Does WnE think he’s being creative calling HighTech High TEXT? Is that supposed to be a dig?

I think WnE’s comment earlier about not being interested in why a player is transferring is instructive. Why would you want to learn more about the kid and try to help him make the best decision! Unreal.

I’d like to see a similar policy to UGA, though. Johnson doesn’t control the ACC rules, but if a player wants to transfer, he should be able to do so without restriction.

FL Jacket

May 3rd, 2012
9:58 am

“18 month old twitter messages?

Are they even related to the issue at hand?”

WnE…

No, but the “18 month old Twitter messages” completely decimate and invalidate your credibility and fidelity as a Tech fan…so yes bringing it up is fair game.

Unless of course you’d like to apologize for them and explain the reasons why you did it? ONLY THEN might we ever take you seriously…

George Stein

May 3rd, 2012
10:02 am

“Have I stopped making ACCURATE commentary?”

Did you ever start, WnE?

FL Jacket

May 3rd, 2012
10:02 am

GS…

How about that Braves game last night??? Better than the Brooksy walk-off Grand Slam against the Reds in 2010.

Did you watch the Chelsea-Newcastle or Tottenham-Bolton games yesterday? Pretty big clashes this late into the season to determine the last Champion’s League spot. Newcastle and Tottenham will be the teams vying for the spot. Di Matteo really NEEDED to win against Newcastle, I think, to cement getting the fulltime gig at Chelsea…but I’m sure al will be forgotten if he beats Bayern in 3 weeks.

HighTech

May 3rd, 2012
10:06 am

Calling me High TEXT is the best he can do, George. It really hurts my feelings when he does that. lol.

George Stein

May 3rd, 2012
10:09 am

I watched the ball game from about the fourth inning expecting it be nothing more than background noise while I worked. It ended up being one of the two or three wildest Braves games I’ve ever seen. The back and forth was exciting as hell.

I saw Newcastle won but I didn’t see it because I’ve been drowning at work this week. Interesting thing about that is neither Newcastle nor Tottenham may make Champions League next year because Chelsea might get their spot as this year’s Champion’s League winner even though they are sixth in Premier League this year. What a stomach punch for those teams fans!

GTFan

May 3rd, 2012
10:15 am

Michael, have you seen Ken the GT beat writer lately? No articles in a while. The win by Johnson-Barry (back to back years) is old news now.

George Stein

May 3rd, 2012
10:22 am

It’s May, GTFan. Hopefully there isn’t much for him to report on.

FL Jacket

May 3rd, 2012
10:25 am

“Michael, have you seen Ken the GT beat writer lately? No articles in a while. The win by Johnson-Barry (back to back years) is old news now.”

GTFan…

Ken is entitled to time off, if that’s where he is, or a slower pace. I feel spoiled that we were getting 1-2 dispatches daily.

Supersize that order, mutt

May 3rd, 2012
10:52 am

@ GTFan, if I am not mistaken, it’s also finals week at Tech. I doubt there is anything at all to report on this week.

Supersize that order, mutt

May 3rd, 2012
10:54 am

WnE says “Have I stopped making ACCURATE commentary?”

When did WnE START making accurate commentary? All he ever posts are HIS opinions.

Delbert D.

May 3rd, 2012
10:56 am

@SoCal_GT_Fan

“any more??”

Albert Rocker to Microsoft in LA :) Read their take on it:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/features/2011/oct11/10-07Rocker.aspx

Supersize that order, mutt

May 3rd, 2012
11:03 am

interesting to note, that Tech has had several transfers from UGA over the years (Daniel Miller, John Dewberry, Tyrone Sorrells). Has anybody from Tech ever transferred to UGA?

George Stein

May 3rd, 2012
11:13 am

I don’t think Daniel Miller transferred. He was committed UGA as a recruit, but switched after they terminated Dennis Felton.

Supersize that order, mutt

May 3rd, 2012
11:18 am

oh, ok. Regardless, he had already signed with UGA, hadn’t he?

WnE

May 3rd, 2012
11:30 am

Why not ask JIM HART why many members of his Message Board is now saying the SAME EXACT Things that he banned WnE for?

Just 1 example from Jim Hart himself:
http://gtsportstalk.com/georgia-tech-football/2348-solving-georgia-tech-football-mystery.html

While you’re bragging about banning me from your Message Board, why not tell everyone what happened to your association with 247sports, you stepped up with a quick trigger and banned me , and everyone was scared s**tless to put forth any opinions and the place turned into a friggin’ mausoleum , it was complete joke.

Yet another of example of Jim Hart channeling his “inner Wrecks”
http://gtsportstalk.com/georgia-tech-football/2293-johnsons-overall-record-tech-5.html
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Paul Johnson is a good enough football coach that he’s not going to ever lose a coaching job by “knockout”. If he does ever get fired at Georgia Tech or anywhere else it will be by an accumulation of punches.

An accumulation of punches in the college football game usually means that over a period of time a fan base gets tired of a coach for various reasons which of course includes not winning enough and not generating enough excitement.

Football is mainly entertainment and at this point in time the only entertainment value Paul Johnson has is winning. There’s little other entertainment value in his team or in the way he projects himself and his program.

Looking at the 17,000 season tickets sold up until last week certainly indicates that the electorate is far from enthralled with Paul Johnson football.

The media and Paul Johnson’s relationship are roach and roach killer. Not a good situation for a college football program that desperately needs to expand it’s fan base.

For some reason I can’t get excited to argue either way on Paul Johnson. I don’t dislike him as Georgia Tech’s coach and have no problem with him personally. But I’m not excited, either..

Just my two cents.
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when Jim Hart says the EXACT same things as Wrecks, he calls it telling it like it is, but he has everyone else intimidated with being banned if they speak their minds; in fact most of the participants are so scared of being banned that the majority of the contributors over on his newer site have an “internal counter” where they try to balance off everything they write that is neutral or negative with some sort of fake positive comments about GT

WnE

May 3rd, 2012
11:56 am

re:
vamosjackets said…

How can you assure us? Do you know him personally? If not, there’s no way you can assure anything because he can say whatever he wants online to maintain his shtick. I think you’re dead wrong on this one, and I think you’re saying this because he was one of the few who hated CPJ and his offense along with you. Here’s the giveaway on him: He was NEVER positive. Plenty of posters vent during a bad time, but he was on a Tech suicide mission even in the best of times.

You are mostly negative, but I agree with DCS that you concede good things as well.

Lastly, how do you give him a pass when he truly makes SERIOUS attempts to hurt Tech in recruiting. He did it with Synjyn Days and with Mack Crowder WHILE HE WAS STILL HERE. He went to Mack Crowder’s personal blog and tried to bash Tech and CPJ … and it worked. Mack was high on us and then fell off the map.

How can YOU, Helluvamgtmjr, not oppose him for that, if you really are a Tech fan?????? That is simply a crossing of a line nobody can justify.
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Sorry High TEXT , but Vamos Jacket LIED, and every time I asked Jim Hart WHY he did nothing to hold the LIARS accountable he never replied, AT ALL.

#1 — I never went on Mack Crowders blog, what I did do was comment about him on the BBbuzzoff Message board, he took a picture in which he was posing like that famous Jimmy Clausen photo that circulated around the net, and I commented that he posed like Jimmy Clausen, dee-bag style.

I never ever went on that kid’s blog AT ALL.

Synjin Days, His mother was a poster on the old bbuzzoff website and I had on conversation with her in a THREAD where everyone was able to read my comments and her comments, there was no texting, no twitter, no e-mail or any other type of private communique, in other words no stalking despite the lies that folks like to accuse me of .

In the THREAD about Days, where everyone could read my comments, I told Synjin’s Mom that I had seen her son play in person and had seen his HS film that was on youtube etc.

I simply told his mom that from my experience that her son was an NFL prospect at Safety or Strong safety and could be another Morgan Burnett-type of player if he would give up playing QB, I told her her son could go to the NFL after 3 yrs. with his kind of Athleticism at Safety, I also told her that from looking at her son’s throwing mechanics that he would never be an effective passer at the BCS level.

I NEVER told her to tell her son to not go to GT, I simply told her I wanted her son to play safety at GT, I told her it was better for GT to have a NFL caliber safety than a QB with flawed passing skills.

I also told her that at the age of 18 an athlete’s EGO sometimes impedes good decisions, I went on to say he would “probably” be happier getting drafted as a Safety in the 2nd or 3rd round rather than giving in to his ego and trying to play QB and being the BMOC.

Posters like Vamos Jackets were given free reign by jim hart to constantly lie and misrepresent my postings.

BTW, here we are 3 YEARS LATER with everyone saying the same things about Days that Wrecks said about Synjin in the weeks leading up to NSD of his Sr. year.

Now when everyone says that Days can’t throw and needs to find a new position it is all of a sudden acceptable, but when I saw that same thing almost 3 years ago, I was vilified and then LIED on with no recourse, of course.

Pulling up old comments from my detractors has very little merit since a lot of what was posted by them ain’t TRUE and is based “more on the mythology of Wrecks” than what Wrecks actually wrote.