Georgia Tech coach has restriction against transfers to UGA but …

Georgia Tech basketball coach Brian Gregory has a policy that restricts his players from transferring to another ACC school and one out-of-conference opponent … archrival UGA.

However, Gregory also told the AJC that if one of his players really wanted to transfer any school, including UGA, ultimately he “wouldn’t fight it.”

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Additionally, Gregory spoke out against fellow coaches putting severe restrictions on transfer players – which has quickly become a controversial and hotly-debated topic in college athletics. You can read more about it here.

Georgia Tech has two players transferring from the program, guard Glen Rice Jr. and center Nate Hicks. Both will have to sit out one year if they transfer to another D1 school, or two years if they stay within conference due to the ACC’s strict transfer policy.

“Yes, that’s kind of our blanket policy,” Gregory told the AJC. “If any kid comes up to me and says ‘These are the schools’ and one is in the ACC, then I’ll explain the rule about ACC transfers and that usually eliminates the scenario immediately because no kid wants to sit out two years and lose a year of eligibility in the process.

“Probably with UGA, it’s the in-state rivalry thing and so forth. But I will be honest with you, if it ever got to a situation where a kid really wanted to go to a specific school, I wouldn’t fight it … I wouldn’t fight it.”

And if that specific school was UGA? “That’s a hypothetical situation that I would probably have to sit down and think more about. But … if that’s where a kid really wants to go, I wouldn’t fight it.”

Meanwhile, UGA coach Mark Fox has a blanket “open release” policy, allowing his players to transfer to any school, even rival SEC members and Georgia Tech.

When asked about Georgia Tech’s restriction against UGA, Fox replied, “Am I surprised to find that out? I don’t know. I mean … I don’t know if that surprises me or not. It probably doesn’t.”

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Georgia Tech's Brian Gregory: "If it ever got to a situation where a kid really wanted to go to a specific school, I wouldn’t fight it." (AJC)

Back to the main topic: There was a public backlash recently when Wisconsin basketball coach Bo Ryan, along with football coaches Derek Dooley of Tennessee and Randy Edsall of Maryland, put severe restrictions on transfer players. After taking a PR beating, each of the three coaches eventually backed down from their original stances.

The court of public opinion appears to have very little tolerance for a coach that places out-of-conference restrictions (other than maybe an archrival), especially since the player is already automatically penalized by having to sit out one season, per NCAA transfer rules. There’s also very little sympathy for millionaire coaches because they can, without any real penalty, move freely from one college job to another.

It’s a touchy topic that’s not going away because NCAA data has determined 40-percent of college basketball players transfer at some point during their career.

“Sometimes you need a extreme case to bring light to the subject, and that’s what happened at Wisconsin,” Gregory said.

“I think common practice is to release kids to any school outside of their league and not to their rivals. I think that’s a practice now, in light of the recent situations, that has to be looked at. I think that a lot of coaches are going to probably change that common practice … that’s my belief, because these situations that have come up.

“I do think the ‘Why is a coach able to leave and players not’ discussion struck a pretty right-on nerve with the public. As negative as the coverage was regarding those restrictions on transfers, I think something good is going to come out of it because I think coaches are going to take a step back and re-evaluate how they handle the process.”

NCAA president Mark Emmert, aware of the transfer controversies, recently said that the transfer rules need to be reviewed to make sure they are fair to student-athletes.

Glen Rice Jr. is one of two of Georgia Tech's transfers for 2012 (AP)

Glen Rice Jr. is one of two of Georgia Tech's transfers for 2012 (AP)

Back to Georgia Tech: Gregory has both made and taken phone calls in order to help both of this year’s transfers. “With Nate Hicks, we even went as far as allowing a school to come in and have a visit, and also allow him to work out. We want to try to help him find the right fit for where he is going to school next.

“We’ve had three kids leave since I’ve been here, and my job with all three of them is to try to help as much as I can.”

What do transfer policies have to do with recruiting? On the surface, it seems very little. It would be fair to say that one of the last things a recruit is thinking about before signing a D1 scholarship is transfer policies. However, it is indeed in the back of the mind of every recruit – what if it doesn’t work out? More importantly for recruiting purposes, when a college coach puts what is deemed as an unfair restriction on a transfer player, it often projects the coach as being unreasonable, stubborn, illogical and difficult to deal with – all negatives for a coach’s overall image when he goes out and tries to recruit. It can be a losing PR battle for resistant coaches, especially since the transfer already has to sit out one season, per NCAA rules. I’d vote for a universal “open release” policy for any player to transfer to any school. Sitting out one season is a big enough penalty. Why do coaches, who can take a job at another school at a moment’s notice and leave his players behind, get to have so much control in this situation?

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10 of 11

April 30th, 2012
6:45 am

Are tech and UGA really “arch rivals” on the court??

On the football field even??

Paddy

April 30th, 2012
6:47 am

Rice may have a hard time finding a D-1 school who would like to have him!

Covers like the Dew?

April 30th, 2012
6:48 am

How about Georgia Tech BASKETBALL coach.

DeKalb basketball coach

April 30th, 2012
6:50 am

I think it’s ridiculous that coaches get to exert ANY CONTROL over where a player may transfer to, given the fact that the player already has to sit out a year. The NCAA should finally do something to help kids and vote to outlaw this nonsense.

scar tissue

April 30th, 2012
6:52 am

Glen Rice Jr. should have spent all that wasted time at the tatoo parlor

practicing on the basketball court.

TennesseeDawg

April 30th, 2012
7:11 am

The best high school players in Georgia go out of state to play college ball anyway. The only transfers either Tech or Georgia has a scrubs at schools like Duke, North Carolina, etc.

JB

April 30th, 2012
7:16 am

The HATE for anything UGA from the Tech perspective amazes me. It really must be a legacy envy type hate. I’m sure it starts from a myth of we’re smart and you’re drunk and stupid. Fact is, UGA turns out some very smart successful contributors to society, but that is overlooked. What Tech folks need to know, 98% of UGA grads would not change their college experience to Tech for all the tea in China.

Dr Fever

April 30th, 2012
7:26 am

JB-

What? Exactly what planet are you from? I did not graduate from either place but often read these blogs. Often just for amusement. By far, the UGA faction has the largest amounts of ‘hate’ posts than anyone. And typically, the comments that make the least amount of sense. Maybe that 98% would not trade their diploma for a Tech diploma. But a papaphrase from Caddy Shack is applicable, the world does need ditch diggers.

kingdaddy

April 30th, 2012
7:36 am

Dr. Fever
Take two asprins, and call me in the morning…lol…

kingdaddy

April 30th, 2012
7:41 am

Most of the hate post (not all) are Techies posing as Ga. fans or Ala. fans. It’s funny that they don’t want to admit the truth!!!

Ryan T

April 30th, 2012
7:42 am

What is the reason that Nate Hicks is transferring?

old timer

April 30th, 2012
7:42 am

Dr. Fever,take 2 asprins and go to bed. you may feel better tomorrow.

old timer

April 30th, 2012
7:43 am

Sorry Kingdaddy, u posted while i was typ[ng.

Dawg1

April 30th, 2012
8:06 am

It’s all good…

How often have you seen a kid leave one school for the otehr. It’s a slow news day. The man has to write something.

Hope both school’s baseball teams get into the tournament and do well…

The haters get old…

ksleezy

April 30th, 2012
8:19 am

Totally agree! If you don’t want to be with us, then go. We’ll enjoy taking you and your new team to the woodshed when we meet on the field or court. I think coach Ritch has the same policy, and it makes total sense. If you think one person makes or breaks your team, then your team isn’t that freaking great anyway.

Paul in NH

April 30th, 2012
8:29 am

The one year sit out is sufficient penalty. The kids should be free to transfer to where they want – with one proviso – you can’t follow a HC who moves. They are supposed to be student-athletes afterall and no-one is going to stop a biology major from transferring.

JB

April 30th, 2012
8:31 am

Dr Fever…………..What planet am I from? Really. Read a Tech blog the day AFTER DAWGS win the annual football game and get back to me. Vile is not the word.

Marine Jacket

April 30th, 2012
8:35 am

@JB,

What are you talking about. This article is about transfer rules, no slant to either school. Each coach quoted with no hate given. I don’t see any post “hating” UGA.

Go Jackets

Game Changer

April 30th, 2012
8:36 am

Hutson Mason should transfer to tech bringing the forward pass to Tech’s offense in 2013. The true duel threat offense is making its way into pro and college football: Two problems exist: running QB’s usually get injured and team needs extremely good backup, ie: rg3 and michigan st QB to washington, 2) only one cam newton the last 30 years has been discovered,

If GA Tech had a Hutson Mason on the team, they would be a top 25 team with alot of room to be better. Briam Bohanon is one hell of a coach at TECH. Hint to Hutson: make the call, one player did this years back and not only did he beat GA after transfer to tech, he has nickname as Baby Trump.

Wet Willie...keep on smiling

April 30th, 2012
8:37 am

@kslezzy…I assume why Richt had his missing man formation for Crowell…one player will not make the team…Yep..and you’re sir are correct “you’re team aint that feaking great anyway”

GT is a 4th rate High School Team

April 30th, 2012
8:41 am

Tekis are insecure?????????????????????????????????????????????? LOL

Patrick

April 30th, 2012
8:47 am

…and Game Changer shows his true colors….

GT is a 4th rate High School Team

April 30th, 2012
8:47 am

For any chance to bash the INSECURE TEKIS. What a good laughing stock.

Game Changer

April 30th, 2012
8:49 am

ksleezey: GA football has a serious issue with drugs ( pot ) and alcohol. Serious is the right word but GA fans and those suppose to be in leadership are in denial for the Personnal Financial Reason, may lose job. The player put in the missing man formation actually filled two team needs (?) haha.

If the GA fans knew the truthful story behind the drug testing prior to Florida 2012, all HELL would break lose, even still today.

JB

April 30th, 2012
8:55 am

OK, here you go. My comment about Tech stems from the fact that No player off the Tech team can transfer to UGA vs. Coach Fox’s policy of transfer anywhere, thus the hate anything UGA comment. And if you have been around these blogs for any time, the hate from Tech is obvious ( and vice versa of course). Those players from Tech ought to be allowed to transfer to any school.

Son of Clem

April 30th, 2012
8:56 am

Game Changer – What a loser troll.

JB

April 30th, 2012
9:00 am

Game changer. Take the blinders off for one second. Georgia goes beyond the NCAA and SEC drug testing requirements. It stems from President Adams insisting on it after the Donan era at UGA. Georgia spends over 40,000 per year drug testing and Alabama spends 3,000. Go figure. These kids ( all these young players on D1 teams at all schools) have these issues. IF all SEC schools had our policy, you would just see how ALL programs have issues. It’s the times we live in. At least Georgia takes it head on. Sister schools DO NOT, and that is a FACT.

Charles

April 30th, 2012
9:13 am

Another in the long line of examples in which UGA does the right thing and Tech doesn’t. It’s comical how much the nerds hate us.

HighTech

April 30th, 2012
9:15 am

For the record, I would like to add that UGA having a strict drug policy is NOT an excuse for why UGA does not perform as well as Alabama on the field. Also, Georgia taking the drug problem head on is NOT a moral victory over Alabama. I hope I am clear on this.

ATL Sports Fan

April 30th, 2012
9:17 am

Game Changer, still going to say your a graduate and fan of UGA? I doubt it since everyone who attended, graduated, and fans all refer to the University of Georgia as UGA not GA. Called you out on that one just last week.

chattajacket

April 30th, 2012
9:20 am

A player transferring from Tech to UGA would likely result in an increase in the average GPA and IQ for both teams.

RTR22

April 30th, 2012
9:20 am

Coach Nick Saban does not place any restrictions on kids transfering out of his program. How about that for fair and balanced MC? Perhaps that warrants your unbiased writing expertise during the dog days of spring…..

Game Changer

April 30th, 2012
9:21 am

JB: Fact: if your kid came home with c’s and d’s, smoking pot daily and drinking whenever, Your kid says hey dad, everyones doing it at our school and others, you would say ok. Dont think so.

Would you demand change at other schools first before taking action> hell no
Would you tell your kids school relax, ever school is doing it– hell no
Would you say don worry until everyone changes the rules or laws- hell no

Ever UGA athlete on scholarship must be held to Character, Image, Pursuit of Education and a RESPECT FOR OTHERS AND THE LAW, if not, you are OUT. Being on scholarship at UGA must be held as a ” PRIVILEDGE “, it is not because of the weak LEADERSHIP TOP TO BOTTOM, excuses and denial are no way to justify the issue that are current or even issues that have occured.

ATL Sports Fan

April 30th, 2012
9:24 am

HighTech the issue is how can an Alabama player or a player from other schools be arrested for possesion of narcotics as soon as they declare for the NFl draft and have never failed a drug test administered by the school? There have been reports of Percy Harvin smoking pot the whole time he was at Florida and he never failed a drug test.

The NCAA should have a mandated drug testing program. They just leave it up to their member institutions.

Sting71

April 30th, 2012
9:25 am

What happens to the APR with all of this transferring? Shouldn’t the coaches be worried about reductions in scholarships?

Game Changer

April 30th, 2012
9:26 am

correction: it is because of the weak leadership top top bottom

ATL Sports Fan

April 30th, 2012
9:26 am

Game changer now your going to call GA, UGA? Everyone knows your not a fan of UGA or a graduate. Its ok, you just hate everything UGA. We get it!

ATL Sports Fan

April 30th, 2012
9:27 am

Sting71, as long as they are in good academic standing it shouldn’t. Same isssue with one and dones.

HighTech

April 30th, 2012
9:30 am

Clearly, other programs have a competitive advantage with stoned players. The NCAA should be very concerned when players feel groovy, want to snack, or think everything is funny on the football field.

tiger

April 30th, 2012
9:38 am

when ever im having a down day i come to ajc sports find a blog involving gt and uga fans blogging against each other and get my laugh for the day.

Game Changer

April 30th, 2012
9:39 am

atlsportsfan: Urban Meyers was the worse coach for cheating and lying ever known to the SEC. This was posted by many but not a single sports writer would take a professional approach and report such. I know 100% for a fact with witnesses that rainey stole pouncey’s jersey and sold it on the internet for 1500. I also know that other listed uniforms on the internet were being marketed by florida players but soon as Addizzio found this out, he had all of it shut down and quieted quickly.

Rainey had no family at all, zero, Urban Meyer had Rainey live with his family most of the time and fot this Meyers should be commended, the question is how self serving was it or was it the true Urban Meyer, I will let others decide for themselves.

The real problem is sports writers trying to be friends of all the programs, players and coaches, it was not this way decades ago. Hell, CT gets paid for picking up the daily GA write up from the sports information department and placing his name as writer. Sports Journalist need to reach in and see if balls are still attached. Michael Carvell has become the only writer to stir the pot and ask questions, I am thankful for that but really think he could even hit harder on issues. Schultz sometimes steps in but only just to check the temp and then back off.

AJC could be the dominate sports pages of the Football world both college and pro but not until they grow some.

JB

April 30th, 2012
9:44 am

The response from High Tech is typical. Damn anything UGA is doing right or beyond. Bama players did test positive after declaring for the draft, but lo and behold never failed a drug test at Bama…..reason………..It’s not done. They do the least possible…and probably give a 2 week notice before testing….don’t want a little weed to get in the way of winning.

Game Changer

April 30th, 2012
9:48 am

Urban Meyer was themost cheating and lying master in SEC, he covered up more than anyone ever.

AJC sports writers refused to write about the pouncey jersey that rainey sold on the internet for 1500 along with all the other florida uniform specials by players. Addizzio found out after the fact and shut it all down. Then AJ Green is punish as well as the whole UGA Team for a jersey sold, not one AJC writer would pursue the facts and how all of it came about, this during the miami weekend of college players party.

AJC sports writers could be the home to all College and Pro stories. They need to decide whether to be professional journalist or use their job to make friends with athletes, programs and coaches.

CT picks up his daily article from sports information department and put his name on it. LOL

Michael Carvell, you do promote good articles and thought, could hit a little harder but you are the only one doing a true professional sports journalist job.

JB

April 30th, 2012
9:50 am

Anyway, Tech has been put on probation TWICE in the Richt era. Seems comical they have anything to say on NCAA matters on other schools.

Huh?

April 30th, 2012
9:52 am

Okay the comment that 98% of UGA grads wouldn’t change their college experience doesn’t mean anything. That doesn’t make them “smart”; it just means they had a good time in college (doesn’t mean they didn’t study hard).

JB: It goes both ways man. You’re a fool if you don’t believe that. Even some of the comments on this article ALONE says that.

SansWorld

April 30th, 2012
10:09 am

I guess it does not take long for the comments to get off topic.

I never had heard of these policies, Can Gregory of Dooley or any other coach actually prevent a player from transferring to the school of their choice, assuming they sit a year (or two for intra ACC transfers)?

Does not seem that they could or should have that power.

ahsoisee

April 30th, 2012
10:13 am

Most players attend a college because of the coach. If the player was already on the team when a new coach arrives, it should be a no-brainer. The player should be allowed to transfer to any team he selects, regardless of the conference affilliation or in-State rivals. The mandatory year of sitting on transfer within the same division is enough of a penalty.

The coach accepting the transfer is also taking a chance on the new transfer, as he may be a good player, but not a team player. This could destroy the cohesiveness of the accepting team. The new transfer and the players on the new team might not meld into a good team.

If too many players begin to transfer out of a given program after the third year of the new coach, then the AD would have to get involved to determine if there is a problem with the new coach.

Rodney Kent

bucket

April 30th, 2012
10:15 am

Posting on an anonymous blog and pretending to be a fan of a school when you are clearly not is the height of lameness!!!

GTBob

April 30th, 2012
10:16 am

What Tech folks need to know, 98% of UGA grads would not change their college experience to Tech for all the tea in China.

That’s great. 99% of GT grads wouldn’t give up their successful career, and higher salary to go back and get drunk more often.

Habersham Dawg

April 30th, 2012
10:18 am

No restrictions for any player in any sport for transferring. Also, do away with the sitting for a year if they transfer to another D-1 school.