Does being Vince Dooley’s son help Tennessee with recruiting in Georgia?

Does being Vince Dooley’s son help Tennessee with its recruiting efforts in the state of Georgia?

Vince Dooley remains perhaps the famous coaching name from the state, directing UGA for 25 years and leading the Bulldogs to the 1980 national championship.

Derek Dooley is Vince’s son and the second-year coach at Tennessee, which traditionally recruits well in Georgia.

Derek Dooley on today's recruits:

Derek Dooley on today's recruits knowing about his famous father: "Unless you’re a real sports junkie, it’s hard to have an expectation that they would know all of the people who had such a great impact on college football.” (AP)

Unfortunately for the younger Dooley, he apparently has discovered like the rest of us that kids’ attention spans go about as far back as about a week’s worth of the best soundbites on ESPN’s SportsCenter. Most of today’s football recruits don’t know that Steve Spurrier coached at Florida, much less that he won the Heisman playing quarterback for the Gators.

In fairness to the kids, they were not born when Vince last walked the UGA sidelines in 1988, and they were applying for pre-K when Spurrier last did the Gator Chomp in 2001.

But the parents of recruits remember.

“Yes, I think that’s fair to say … that parents know about my father and many of the kids do not,” Derek told the AJC recently. “Of course, when I go selling Tennessee and what we do, I don’t sell the fact that my father was a coach. But inevitably, the parents know good and well what my family history is. And most of the players have no idea. That’s just the world we live in.

“It’s no different than when we were growing up. We didn’t know the guys unless you were a student of the history of the game. So it shouldn’t be surprising that they don’t know. Unless you’re a real sports junkie, it’s hard to have an expectation that they would know all of the people who had such a great impact on college football.”

With Tennessee having such a high turnover of assistant coaches (seven) since the end of last season, we asked Derek if he ever toyed with the idea about hiring his famous father on a temporary basis to recruit the mommas and daddies of Georgia’s top 2012 prospects. We only asked because former Tennessee coach Lane Kiffin, the never-ending magician of recruiting tactics, talked USC athletics director Pat Haden into recruiting this year for the Trojans when the staff was down one assistant coach. Haden was a star quarterback at USC and an NFL Pro Bowler. Haden was well-known among some parents of California recruits, and Vince would likely have the same effect on Georgia’s moms and dads.

The father of Tennessee's coach led UGA to the 1980 national championship (AJC)

The father of Tennessee's coach led UGA to the 1980 national championship (AJC)

“Well, first off, that would be against NCAA rules to hire my father on an interim basis because only nine coaches can go recruit,” Dooley said. “The only way you can get an exception is if you are short-handed. What Lane is talking about is when he lost a coach or two. We did the same thing this year. We put our strength coach on the road while we were in the interim of hiring a coach. So you can’t really hire a guy and just substitute for him. Only the nine full-time coaches are allowed to go out and recruit for you.”

Hey, we thought with Vince’s big name recognition, it was worth at least asking about. The state of Georgia has been awful kind to Tennessee over the years, exporting talents such as Eric Berry, Jamal Lewis and Deion Grant. The younger Dooley told the AJC that this state remains a top recruiting priority.

“Now, when you ask how important the state of Georgia is, we’ve signed 18 players from there in my three recruiting classes,” Dooley said. “So that’s a big number. Georgia has always played a big role in the history of success that Tennessee has had. It’s going to continue to play a big role, mainly for two reasons. One is the quality of players that come from that state. There’s a ton of good players. Two, of course, is the proximity. We’re only three hours from Atlanta. It’s a real close and easy drive to get to Tennessee. We’re going to be recruiting it hard like most other schools, and hopefully we can keep having the success that we’ve had.”

Back to Lane Kiffin: We asked the USC coach how on Earth he came up with the ingenious idea of putting his famous AD on the road to recruit.

Lane Kiffin is the master of creative recruiting tactics (AP photo/Damian Dovarganes)

Lane Kiffin is the master of creative recruiting tactics. He scored with another grand idea this year (AP photo/Damian Dovarganes)

“I remember a rule stating that if you were down a coaching staff member, you could use someone in administration to recruit,” Kiffin told the AJC. “We actually did it at Tennessee before we had our full staff hired and fell into the same thing. We actually used Condredge Holloway one time. I remembered that so I double-checked with our compliance to make sure we could do it. With Pat Haden being a Rhodes scholar and also playing quarterback here at USC and now being the AD … what a great guy to be able to use.

“So we put him technically as a coach. He could go on the road but more importantly he could also make phone calls to recruits. We kind of joked about it at the banquet. I had us in first place after my home visits with two kids, two of the top linemen on the West coast. Then he went in and, all of sudden, they went to Stanford. So Pat said he’s going to back to administration now.”

Now it ’s YOUR turn. What do you think? Do you think being Vince Dooley’s son helps Derek with Georgia recruits? And while we’re at it, let’s have some fun – when UGA or Georgia Tech loses an assistant in the future, which AD would be better at football recruiting? UGA’s Greg McGarity (who is very outspoken about his recruiting expectations) or Georgia Tech’s Dan Radakovich?

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178 comments Add your comment

Bama Fan#2

March 23rd, 2012
4:03 am

Having a famous father would help in recruiting with the name
Dooley in the state of Georgia. Bill Parcells and Coach Lou
Holtz will be guest speakers at the Alabama Coaches Clinic
this weekend in Tuscaloosa. Any recruits would know of
these 2 famous coaches with Saban!!!!!!!!!! RTR

Bama champs

March 23rd, 2012
4:23 am

Nick Saban runs the state of Georgia. I can’t wait until May 18 when all the prissy UGA fans will cry after Nkdemiche picks Alabama. Poor Mark Richt will have had the nation’s #1 and #2 from Georgia and WHIFFED on both …. .. 0-2. That’s just sad. ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RedandBlackDAWG

March 23rd, 2012
5:32 am

If there were more respect for the younger Dooley by the younger athletes, perhaps the athletes would be more aware or give more credence to his pedigree, but Dooley, has shown a few tricks and said a few things that have come back to bite him, so I think he negates a lot of the positives he could make out of the situation.

Mountain Dawg

March 23rd, 2012
5:33 am

Wouldn’t you just know that the first two people to comment would be illiterate Alabama Rednecks. Why don’t you go downtown and watch the red light change. Better yet, go blather your bile on your own slimy blog, if you have one.

WhatHeSaid

March 23rd, 2012
5:57 am

Mountain Dawg,

The only red lights they have in Alabama probably mark the location of what is no doubt Alabama’s largest industry.

tenn.DAWG

March 23rd, 2012
6:07 am

De’Rek Dooley should use every tool available,because if he should lose to UGA,SC,and FL again he won’t be around next year.

Mountain Dawg

March 23rd, 2012
6:10 am

Well said, ‘WhatHeSaid’!

Tide Pride

March 23rd, 2012
6:35 am

Bama Champs – well said. Saban runs this state!

The top two recruits in the nation are from the state of Georgia – Nkemdiche and Foster.
And where are they going to commit? UGA – NO!
Bama – Yes!

That pretty much sums it up – don’t you think?
Besides to NT in the last 3 years.

RTR

Vol4Life

March 23rd, 2012
6:39 am

I do not think using CDD”S father would have too much of an impact for hte reasons stated in the article. Too much time has passed for Vince to be relevant to this age group.

However, what will help CDD is wearing those awesome ORANGE pants!
Rocking the ORANGE pants on recruiting trips baby! AWESOME!

bitter grassy knoll

March 23rd, 2012
6:40 am

BAMMA FANS go watch the grass grown, get a life, nobody gives a f_#$% about the state that

———————-is famous for –TRAILER PARKS, and tree killin

gdawg

March 23rd, 2012
7:07 am

BAMA champs, then he will have the realization that he wakes up in Tuscaloosa every day and is surrounded by trailers and Wal Mart.

Gorilla Biscuit

March 23rd, 2012
7:20 am

Derek is not your father’s Dooley.

1eyedJack

March 23rd, 2012
7:23 am

Derek should hire his Momma as a coach/recruiter. Dad is busy with his hydrangeas.

Beast from the East

March 23rd, 2012
7:30 am

Dooley’s dad has no more impact on recruiting than Saban’s, Richt’s, Muschamp’s or anyone else’s in the conference. None of these 16-18 year old kids knows anything about them either.

W

March 23rd, 2012
7:32 am

Bitter grassy knoll………. And natl championships!

Bandwagon Bammer

March 23rd, 2012
7:51 am

Saban has hired Harvey Updike to scour the Alabama prison system for prospects.

Mike

March 23rd, 2012
7:52 am

JB

March 23rd, 2012
7:58 am

Anybody looked at Bama’s schedule this year……….with 12 new starters. Couldn’t happen to a better group.

Alex

March 23rd, 2012
8:04 am

Flo-Ri-Duh

March 23rd, 2012
8:21 am

Not much. V.D. has been out of the T.V. eye for years and all these kids do is watch T.V. sports, computer games and text. Pretty shallow on their actual knowledge of history of the game. It’s what did the coach do in the last 5 years. That’s about the limit of their attention span. The lack of education of the real history of this country is astounding. Everything is P.C. and dumbed down to the level of so called reality shows about rich house wives moaning, crying, arguing and complaining about their petty lives and obese women trying on wedding dresses.

1eyedJack

March 23rd, 2012
8:33 am

Flo-Ri-Duh, brother, you need to take charge of the remote control.

A person SMART enough to know......

March 23rd, 2012
8:35 am

My Daddy said Buck run Herschel Left!
Buck run Herschel Right!
Buck run Herschel up the Middle!
White boy go kick the Extra Point!

ElvinBishopBand

March 23rd, 2012
8:49 am

JB…you keep on dreaming that Alabama will step back sport! Unlike UGA Bama’s roster is full of players and not wakons. Ruff Ruff…our 2nd team would beat the sheet out of the dogs.

Dean

March 23rd, 2012
8:51 am

“to Nt in 3 years”! That’s pretty funny! NO need to even make a Bama joke with that one. Thanks for the laugh Bama fans!

jarvis

March 23rd, 2012
8:53 am

I just hope Derek has stayed up to date on his Bar dues. He’ll be back to practicing law in two years.

RedandBackDAWG

March 23rd, 2012
9:00 am

Net Income,

According to Forbes magazine, UGA is the number one profit maker in football in the SEC , with a net profit of 53 million for 2011. Different polls lead to different results. The only thing they mostly seem to agree on is that “Ole Miss.”, lost money last year.
let’s not forget though , that the sport is for the students.

RTR22

March 23rd, 2012
9:03 am

Has MC actually gone a week without slamming CNS? STILL Waiting on that article comparing Bama grad/arrest numbers the last 5 yrs vs JAWJA……

RT, most bowl wins, 32 TEN WIN seasons, 22 SEC Titles, 7 former players in the NFLHOF, etc, etc….

ElvinBishopBand

March 23rd, 2012
9:03 am

maybe forbes but on the report rreleased yesterday you’re not even in the top 15. Yes, Bama is #1 and the only SEC school in the top 10. Get some new materail.

ElvinBishopBand

March 23rd, 2012
9:05 am

A person SMART enough to know......

March 23rd, 2012
9:06 am

RedandBlack. I think the report you were referencing about UGA is how much money they brought in not the Profit after expenses.

GT

March 23rd, 2012
9:06 am

Who works for whom in Southern Cal. Lane Kiffin overseeing his boss recruiting sound to me like a recipe for disaster. The inmates are running the asylum in LA, like they did in Knoxville.

Vince recruiting against Georgia? Things have fallen way off in Athens from the glory days where Georgia was mentioned in the same breath with any elite football school in the country. But even if UGA pretends these days are still there, and they don’t need Vince Dooley, having him recruit for Tennessee would be right up there with the red panties as a bad idea. To even entertain the idea out loud shows a huge problem in the football program at Georgia. No wonder Richt can’t find, up and coming, assistant coaches. There is something a little too spacy about MR, and Adams is having an ego contest with Dooley adding to the mess. It must be slow death to watch something you have built into a work of art be undermined by people who just don’t understand what it is all about. Tech actually had the same problem with its relationship with Dodd. Neither place has ever been the same, but Georgia still has time to correct its course.

Cdpridg

March 23rd, 2012
9:08 am

Whaddya know…we have a couple bammers up crowing with the chickens and roosters this Friday morning!

Wet Willie...keep on smiling

March 23rd, 2012
9:08 am

Huge year for UT and Dooley. If things turn South I wouldn’t be surprised if Kirby gets a shot at that gig which could turn recruiting upside down just at the wrong time. The Clemson job,UT, and KY could be on the line this year. KY should try the Johnny Carson guess coach of the week approach until they find the right guy.

Big Albany Dawg

March 23rd, 2012
9:11 am

As my UT Vols friends like to say,…………… “DON’T DRINK THE DOOL-AID, HE SUCKS”.

Wet Willie...keep on smiling

March 23rd, 2012
9:12 am

@Red and Black…the report doesn’t show you doing either. Just another pipe dream for leg humper u. You talk a great game but play at a different level…then again you already knew that.

All your HS coaches are in T-twon for Nick’s coaching clinic…Lou Holtz,The Big Tuna will be the big stars with many other NFL coaches on the agenda as well.

Lakedawg

March 23rd, 2012
9:13 am

ceph

March 23rd, 2012
9:22 am

It won’t help if anyone ever had a close contact with Vince because his haltosis is awful..Maybe Derek got the hint. I sure hope so!!!!!!

RedandBackDAWG

March 23rd, 2012
9:24 am

Wet Willie,

Go dry yourself OK? Your opinions and stupid remarks really don’t influence anybody but yourself. I am really not interested in your childish remarks. They aren’t pertinent to what was being discussed this time, and just show your low education level, and lack of common sense. A fatal formula for anything walking around on this earth.

JB

March 23rd, 2012
9:25 am

Will Tennessee go turn to another Saban protege? Dooley is/has failed. Muschamp got lot’s to prove in Florida. Don’t know if Kirby would get the call and take it, but with Richt resigned, he might.

Wet Willie... keep on smiling

March 23rd, 2012
9:28 am

Wet Willie... keep on smiling

March 23rd, 2012
9:29 am

I’ve always been a Dawg fan until Bama started winning after sucking for 12 years or so. When Saban is gone, I’ll be back

A Father

March 23rd, 2012
9:30 am

GA is being hit hard because of the lack of leadership. This started around 2006 with Atheletic Department making changes to long time season ticket holders, alumni who gave large somes of money that they pissed on and took credits away for tickets. Everything was wonderful heading into 2008 with GA ranked number one headed to season but since the blackout massacre by Alabama all four wheels have fallen off. Georgia cannot sell all the footall season tickets. Fewer and fewer donations, season ticket levels at a all time low, most of the older crowd with the big money have rebelled against he policies of Michael Adams, cant park close enough to stadium, now Adams is charging to park on public tax dollar parking lots which if chanllenged would not stand up in court. Michael Adams and BOR are lining thier pockets with UGA alums and students, then the very people being robbed with vote to keep these same politicians and crooks to remain. Crazy huh!.

I have asked in a couple of threads for the sportswriters to do a article concerning the last three years and the Ga Athletic Department which is a private entity but recieves tax payer money, unlike Alabama and I believe Auburn.

Maybe get a business journalist to do the report, I predict major outrage if presented honestly.

The Bear

March 23rd, 2012
9:36 am

Bama keeps Rolling!

WE ARE SC

March 23rd, 2012
9:37 am

It seems Lane’s a regular contributor to this blog; who would have thought.

The Bear

March 23rd, 2012
9:39 am

How are all the good UGA fans doing this fine Friday?

Gorilla Biscuit

March 23rd, 2012
9:51 am

A Father

A 99 percenter. 99 percent of a whole moron, to be exact.

A person SMART enough to know......

March 23rd, 2012
9:53 am

well BEAR Dawg48’s wife had the baby Yesterday so I bet he is happy for sure.

Dean

March 23rd, 2012
9:54 am

If Dooley goes I don’t see Ut taking another chance on a unproven Saban coach. Correct me if I’m wrong but other than assistant positions I haven’t heard schools coming to Kirby with HC opportunities. As a former UGA player I wish he would get the opportunity. He’s still a Dawg in my eyes and always will be regardless of where he coaches. Makes me wonder though if there is something that makes him less than standout when it comes to head coaching gigs. That said, I think UT will be willing and will have to pay big money to get a proven coaching commodity on the field. Even if it’s a long shot such as Arizona’s Rich Rod, or some weird ex NFL hire like they did with Kiffin.

Dean

March 23rd, 2012
9:57 am

Bear, good this morning. How about the good Bama folks? any chance we can keep it a civil football discussion today? Nah, what’s a blog without gloating, whining, and conspiracy theories?

JB

March 23rd, 2012
9:59 am

If Dooley goes, the Vols will be staring at coach #4 in like 5 years. I don’t think they experiment any more, beside Dooley has the roster restocked and some good ball players there. I wish they would give him the full 5 years , but the “pressure” will be too big if he only wins 6 or 7 games this year.
7 wins and a big upset of someone might get him another year.