Charles Mann: UGA recruit banned from playoffs

UGA signee Charles Mann (AJC)

UGA signee Charles Mann (AJC)

One of UGA’s top basketball recruits won’t get a chance to help his team try to win a state championship because he was ejected from the team’s last playoff game.

Charles Mann signed with UGA in the early period and is the point guard at Milton High School, which plays Harrison at 8:30 p.m. Thursday in the Class AAAAA  semifinals.

Mann is ineligible to play in Milton’s next two games because he was ejected after being assessed two technical fouls in last Saturday’s quarterfinals win against North Gwinnett. Milton’s coach told the AJC on Wednesday night that he tried to get the severe penalty overturned this week by the Georgia High School Association.

“There’s not really a process to appeal to judgment,” Milton coach David Boyd told the AJC on Wednesday night. “We thought it was a bad call but there’s not really an avenue to appeal. You can’t bring up a video to someone, show it and have them change anything.

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“Unfortunately, we’re stuck with what appears to be a bad call. It cost a kid a chance to play the semifinals, and it cost our team. It’s going to be very difficult to win the next two games without Charles Mann playing with us.”

The 6-foot-3 Mann averaged 12 points and 8 assists after transferring from Union Grove to Milton before his senior season.

On the second technical, Mann was whistled for taunting a defender after scoring a basket. Milton’s coach disputes the call, according to the AJC’s Todd Holcomb.

“He didn’t point a finger, he didn’t jaw at him, he just looked at him,” Boyd said of the second technical. “I don’t understand. If you’re yelling at somebody, I get it, but [a technical for] looking at a player seems awfully harsh. It’s excessive. In the elite eight, that’s a tough call.”

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198 comments Add your comment

Dawg

March 8th, 2012
10:07 am

Are we sure he’s not going to be playing for St. Richt next year?

crap

March 8th, 2012
10:08 am

that is crap! that was no T!!

Mark Fox

March 8th, 2012
10:09 am

He’s playing for me dawg. He’ll play we need all the help we can get.

RSX

March 8th, 2012
10:09 am

Not a T. wow.

ARg Jacket

March 8th, 2012
10:10 am

Even as a Tech fan I’ll admit that was an absolutely horrible call. There has to be a way to review this when the evidence shows so clearly he didn’t do anything wrong. Feel bad for the kid.

outkasted

March 8th, 2012
10:13 am

the ref must’ve had an agenda b/c the kid did nothing…

First

March 8th, 2012
10:18 am

That ref should never work a playoff game again. That is horrible!

Tom in Atl

March 8th, 2012
10:18 am

Reminds me of the phantom “Excessive Celebration” call on AJ Green against LSU a few years ago that cost the Dogs the game – terrible call – not a T.

rollo lawson

March 8th, 2012
10:19 am

Wow!! You have got to be kidding me. That referee should be the one supended for the rest of the playoffs. Something should be done about that.

DawginLex

March 8th, 2012
10:20 am

horrible!

Refs are told to make sure the 2nd T is warranted because of the new rule. Coaches get suspended two games and their school has to pay a fine if they get tossed.

There is no way that warranted a 2nd T and an ejection.

That ref is a

March 8th, 2012
10:21 am

DOOOOOUUUCCCHHHEEEE

WnE

March 8th, 2012
10:21 am

That Ref deserves a LIFETIME BAN from officiating!

What a effiin’ D-Bag, that Ref should have gotten his a$$ kicked, the fans for Milton should have gone Ron Artest on his a$$!

Freehawk

March 8th, 2012
10:21 am

I don’t like the way he posed, but that is what basketball has sunk to. I don’t think you can call that a technical. All that said, this won’t concern the uga hoops coach one bit.

schmeckdawg

March 8th, 2012
10:21 am

I’m a DAWG fan, AND I am old school. I think that it was a good call. The kid should have just turned and run back up the court. Why even look at the guy? A bad call was the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on AJ Green a few years ago vs. LSU!!!!!!

rollo lawson

March 8th, 2012
10:22 am

The GHSA should reverse this immediately. This guy definately had something against this kid.

Freehawk

March 8th, 2012
10:23 am

His head shot attached to this article is sideways= 15 yard penalty

getaclue

March 8th, 2012
10:26 am

#1 This is old news…been on ESPN for at least a couple of days
#2 Why no mention of the first technical. It was an even worse call. Two players jostling for the ball and instead of a double foul, they get double technicals?

DP

March 8th, 2012
10:26 am

Now we know why the guy is ref…he wasn’t good enough to even make his HS team…and now he’s got a attitude against kids who can play….what a jerk

Wow

March 8th, 2012
10:28 am

Thank goodness that wasn’t my kid. Unfortunately, I don’t think I would have been able to stop myself from getting thrown out or worse.

packerhart89

March 8th, 2012
10:29 am

wow thats a terrible call im sure they have let alot worse than that slide

Stupid People

March 8th, 2012
10:30 am

Looks like a horrible call from the ref….

Not sure what the ref’s agenda is/was, but that call is indefensible.

G-$

March 8th, 2012
10:30 am

Might be the worst call I’ve ever seen!

McDawg

March 8th, 2012
10:33 am

i don’t even think he looked at him-that is a terrible call

Normal town dawg

March 8th, 2012
10:34 am

Wow. I’ve played ball for 40 years and that is just astonishing! That call is totally unfair to both Mann and his teammates. To end his high school career like that will haunt him, perhaps his his whole life. Someone needs to step in and review this! Referees make mistakes, but this is very wrong.

Lan the Man

March 8th, 2012
10:36 am

The Ref should never be allowed to work games again. Lifetime ban for this freakin idiot. There need’s to be an investigation.

Kramer

March 8th, 2012
10:36 am

My son is at North Gwinnett and I, of course, was pulling for them to win. But lets get real here, this not a technical and this kid should not be sitting out the next two games. Pretty sad.

bucket

March 8th, 2012
10:38 am

I had read what the coach and fans had to say about this, but had not seen the video until just now. How can the GHSA allow this kind of thing to stand? There has got to be some type of appeals process in place to avoid this type of injustice. I have told my kids that they should always respect authority and I am always going to give an adult the benefit of the doubt, but that was a really bad call by the referee. Unfortunately, you have some refs that think all those people showed up to watch them blow their whistles. Really sad.

The Grinch

March 8th, 2012
10:41 am

I was at the game (supporting no particular team) and both Ts were suspect.

The first happened when Mann and the other player were making chest contact on an inbounds. The ref told them to back off and neither did and the whistle quickly followed. I’ve heard some saying that it should have been a double foul and not a T, but I don’t know the rule.

The second, as you can see on the video, was ridiculous. If that’s taunting then you should have seen the Bolden kid from N. Gwinnet. When Johnson of Milton picked up a quick third foul his coach sent in a sub. While Johnson was walking to the bench the Bolden kid hustled up to him, faced him and held up 3 fingers and said something. He was running his mouth all game. Considering the T happy squad of refs on hand I was surprised one wasn’t called there. The Milton Coach seemed to animate the same thought to the refs.

Bottom line – 4 D-1 commits on the floor. A lot of talent and a lot of attitude. With that mixture comes a high risk and the refs were quick to make calls most of the night. My biggest thing was a lack of consistency from the refs. If Mann’s stare after the dunk was worthy of a T then the constant jawing and gesturing of Bolden deserved the same.

Techster

March 8th, 2012
10:41 am

There is probably a lot more to it than meets the eye…

The Grinch

March 8th, 2012
10:45 am

Enter your comments here

Dawg Haus

March 8th, 2012
10:45 am

So the lesson for today is don’t look at people. Ever.

Bob

March 8th, 2012
10:47 am

Are you serious? I am about as old fashion as it gets and hate taunting…but that call was absurd. Very sad. I feel bad for the kid and for his team.

BAMA DEFENCE !!!

March 8th, 2012
10:50 am

That young man’s Bad Behavior will fit in perfectly at that trade school in Athens.

Rick James

March 8th, 2012
10:51 am

Really bad call..The offical even avoided eye contact with him after making the call.Maybe he was upset because a Milton fan made a remark about his hair..

Yes. Good call. Play the game kid!

March 8th, 2012
10:51 am

Learn to play the game right kid. Instead, why don’t you look at your teammate who gave you the assist. Don’t show up the other player.

Learn to respect the game and your adversary.

bucket

March 8th, 2012
10:55 am

@ Bama defence – that’s odd. I thought Bama was the bball team that had to discipline some players recently. Don’t be blinded by your hatred of all things UGA.

claytondawg

March 8th, 2012
10:55 am

Terrible call. All he did was look. I saw no evidence of taunting.

claytondawg

March 8th, 2012
10:55 am

Terrible call. All he did was look. I saw no evidence of taunting.

Vampire Bill

March 8th, 2012
10:57 am

Let him play.. That’s BOGUS

bucket

March 8th, 2012
10:59 am

If the ref called that “T” to make up for the other technicals he should have called against Mann, then he is a worse ref than I thought. Referees must have thick skin and short memories. There is no excuse for that ref to make that call on that play. The GHSA should be ashamed of that call and their defense of that call on the basis that there was alot of chippy behavior between the two teams. Call it when it happens, don’t try to make up for it later when the score is out of hand. It only makes you look incompetent, which is what that poor ref looks like now.

Dawg Tired

March 8th, 2012
11:01 am

Seems like we have at least three folks that don’t get it: (1) the player; (2) the coach; and (3) the referee. The player needs to “play hoops’ and forget about being a showboat and showing up an opponent. Yes, a stare is showing up an opponent and is uncalled for. The coach needs to discipline the player. The referee needs to use better judgment – making the call knowing the kid would be lost for the remainder of the playoffs indicates pretty poor judgment.

sportsrealist

March 8th, 2012
11:02 am

So everything that this team and these players have worked for has essentially been thrown away because of the arrogance and ignorance of this official… These kids don’t deserve this. I hope they ban him from ever officiating again. I hope he’s seen this video and is hanging his head. He should be ashamed!

The Grinch

March 8th, 2012
11:03 am

Whoa, bad 10:45 post.

I was at the game, neutral observer, and both Ts were considered suspect.

The first double T happened before an inbounds. Mann and the N.Gwinnett guard were bumping chests for position on the inbounds. The ref told them to cut it out and when they didn’t he quickly called a double T. I don’t know the rules, but I heard many people at the game say it should have been called a double foul, but not a double T.

The second T surprised me. After Mann dunked he looked back at the player and stared. The ref who called the T was behind Mann since Mann had turned around. That perplexed me.

What I couldn’t figure out was why this T happy bunch of refs didn’t call one on Bolden of N. Gwinnett. He was jawing on Johnson all night long and when Johnson picked up this third foul his coach sent in a substitute. While walking towards the bench Bolden walked over to Johnson, turned and face him and held up 3 fingers. That’s taunting in ANYONE’s book.

Funny thing though – Bolden fouled out while Johnson finished the game until his coach removed him at the end.

cantondawg

March 8th, 2012
11:06 am

There’s no way that is a technical foul. The referee should never be allowed to call a game again if he makes an egregious call like that.

dawgfan

March 8th, 2012
11:09 am

Must be the same crew that flagged AJ Green 15 yards for looking into the stands. Its pretty clear that the ref just plain didn’t like Charles Mann, for whatever reason. Its the only explanation. Refs are human and subject to the same biases and emotions as the rest of us. My father was a ref and he sometimes intimated to me after a game that he didn’t like a certain coach or he didn’t like a certain player. Sometimes heckling fans got under his skin. My father is a very fair and reasonable man but it would be naive to suggest that it didn’t affect his judgment. These things aren’t supposed to happen but they do. The solution is to have clear concrete bright line rules on what is acceptable behavior on the field/court and what isn’t. When players start drawing penalties or fouls based on how they look at someone things are completely out of control. Refs shouldn’t have the power to affect a game like that.

Thanks.

BullDawg

March 8th, 2012
11:11 am

Sad for the Ref who has some sort of agenda to take this kids chance to play in the State Championship. The GHSA needs to act now to make this right. Too many times they have turned a blind eye to these kinds of actions. Lets stand up and do the right thing!

The Grinch

March 8th, 2012
11:12 am

FWIW, there were four D-1 commits on the floor that game. Since “taunting” is the issue, here was my perspective of those 4 players.

#1 (worst) – Bolden of N Gwinnett. Super talent but ran his mouth and taunted Johnson throughout.

#2 – Johnson of Milton. Definitely some jawing and taunting from him.

#3 – Mann of Milton – I suppose the worst I saw from him came from the two Ts, but again, they were suspect.

#4 – Nolte of Milton – He didn’t jaw at all from what I saw. He let his play do his talking. 30 points. The dude is an ace from the 3-point line and he hit about 9-10 free throws. I sure wish he would have signed with UGA. From a taunting perspective he did have a big smile and was clapping when Bolden fouled out. I believe he and Johnson even high-fived.

Attitudes aside, I believe Bolden, Mann and Nolte will make a big impact at GT, UGA and Virginia. Johnson is physically gifted, but I just don’t know if he’ll be big at Auburn. My perspective anyway.

Jeez....

March 8th, 2012
11:18 am

The ref who calle the the 2nd Technical was behind him. How the heck does he know what the kid was looking at. Weak…..

Kerry

March 8th, 2012
11:19 am

I hade officials that make calls that are not even their call to make. If you watch, their is an official trailing the play that would have been able to see Mann’s face. This official thad made the call is behind him on the sideline. I guess he was able to see through his head from half court. Maybe the black eye has given him special powers.

Big Crimson 75

March 8th, 2012
11:21 am

Who was the zebra??

Tim Donaghy!