Charles Mann: UGA recruit banned from playoffs
UGA signee Charles Mann (AJC)
One of UGA’s top basketball recruits won’t get a chance to help his team try to win a state championship because he was ejected from the team’s last playoff game.
Charles Mann signed with UGA in the early period and is the point guard at Milton High School, which plays Harrison at 8:30 p.m. Thursday in the Class AAAAA semifinals.
Mann is ineligible to play in Milton’s next two games because he was ejected after being assessed two technical fouls in last Saturday’s quarterfinals win against North Gwinnett. Milton’s coach told the AJC on Wednesday night that he tried to get the severe penalty overturned this week by the Georgia High School Association.
“There’s not really a process to appeal to judgment,” Milton coach David Boyd told the AJC on Wednesday night. “We thought it was a bad call but there’s not really an avenue to appeal. You can’t bring up a video to someone, show it and have them change anything.
Loading ...“Unfortunately, we’re stuck with what appears to be a bad call. It cost a kid a chance to play the semifinals, and it cost our team. It’s going to be very difficult to win the next two games without Charles Mann playing with us.”
The 6-foot-3 Mann averaged 12 points and 8 assists after transferring from Union Grove to Milton before his senior season.
On the second technical, Mann was whistled for taunting a defender after scoring a basket. Milton’s coach disputes the call, according to the AJC’s Todd Holcomb.
“He didn’t point a finger, he didn’t jaw at him, he just looked at him,” Boyd said of the second technical. “I don’t understand. If you’re yelling at somebody, I get it, but [a technical for] looking at a player seems awfully harsh. It’s excessive. In the elite eight, that’s a tough call.”
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198 comments Add your comment
mike
March 8th, 2012
7:39 pm
Unbelieveable! Thanks for showing the video, Unbelievable!
Crimson Crush
March 8th, 2012
7:44 pm
A bad call was the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on AJ Green a few years ago vs. LSU!!!!!!
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Lots of interesting commentary . The call against UGA was so over the top stupid it deified logic .
I do think nate from detroit hit upon something I see happening in a good number of sports at at levels and in all locations . To say it is about showboating and whether you are for or against that is a false dichotomy . Before you can ever reach that point you first have to have CONSISTENCY in the way the calls are made .
I am not talking about complete and absolute uniformity amongst all refs . As nate mentioned … how about uniformity in the same game by the same refs ? You see refs at the pro level all the way down to the pee wee leagues now apparently thinking THEY are there to pick the winners and losers . It doesn’t matter what kind of legalistic torturing of the rules they need to do it either . No shame involved what so ever .
As far as players showboating … I despise it . That becomes irrelevant when the refs decide they want to be bigger showboats than the players . You see it across the sports spectrum . Warping their calls in whatever direction they see fit and even changing them on the fly even while a single game is still in action . There has most certainly been a huge cultural change in that regard .
That isn’t sour grapes talking either . I could have cared less about the ultimate UGA/LSU winner or loser a few years back . Some of my biggest complaints have popped up out of similar games where I had no real rooted interest in either side . It cuts to the core of what competition is , how you do it and what it means to our society at large .
Do you want to take a stand on showboating ? I am right there with you . Just get the showboating refs in line FIRST ,and keep them there ….
BS
March 8th, 2012
7:45 pm
That was a bunch of BS. The ref should loose the right to ref games after that terrible call.
the dump
March 8th, 2012
7:53 pm
There’s been a few unwanted guests in one of the University of Georgia’s largest dorms.
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tenn.DAWG
March 8th, 2012
8:11 pm
The only that could be worse than that call would be allowing that Ref to call another game in the playoffs.No excuse for this guy not to have his whistle taken from him.
the dump
March 8th, 2012
8:44 pm
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Honest Ingine
March 8th, 2012
8:54 pm
Now Boyd and Milton fans know what its like to have a bad call against them.. REMEMBER THE FOUL CALLED with no time left on the clock, 2 years ago against NORCROSS… Milton got 2 free throws with no time to win by 1… It’s ashamed the ref’s take the game away from the kids.. Typical of GHSA referee’s….
The Bear
March 8th, 2012
9:02 pm
Refs are there for one reason. To officiate the game and be transparent to everyone. And to include, Be Unbiased, Fair, and when in question about a call confer with fellow officials and make the best call.
GSUeagle
March 8th, 2012
9:05 pm
That guy was the head intramural official at Georgia Southern when I played intramural’s there. He is a total idiot and all the officials had quick whistles because of him. It does not surprise me one bit he would make a call like this.
bucket
March 8th, 2012
9:05 pm
@ Chris – huh? “He was staring down the kid halfway back down the court which is taunting- and just because he wasn’t yapping at that moment does not mean he had not been the entire game.” First of all, what video were you watching? Secondly, if the ref used that play to call something that should have been called earlier, the ref is wrong!
phil
March 8th, 2012
9:35 pm
Anyone with sense knows not to do what doofus did after his dunk.
Good riddance from the floor.
OldOldCoach
March 8th, 2012
9:43 pm
I coached basketball on the varsity level for 25 years in the state of Georgia. Went to several state tournaments and obviously were in many region tournaments. This is the most blatantly bogus call that I’ve ever seen…and I have seen many, both for and against me. First of all, what is a 27 year old doing calling state tournament games? Can you say…Politics? You can’t get away from it. Officials that have no business calling these games get pushed into the tournaments by their associations. This gentleman should be banned from ever calling tournament games again as he obviously had an agenda. You can tell by the way he went after the Milton kid. It’s just so obvious. I don’t have a dog in the fight but that youngster and his teammates were penalized by an over zealous official who wanted to be seen. Well, you were seen…and hopefully for the last time on the state level!
phil
March 8th, 2012
9:44 pm
Roger Roemmich
March 8th, 2012
2:32 pm
As a former referee I think that referee should never be allowed to work another state tournament game! The ref clearly had his own agenda that had nothing to do with integrity and fairness!
*******
most of you guys, you included, couldn’t ref a rec league game worth a toot. Spare us your moralizing bull.
phil
March 8th, 2012
9:47 pm
Look, oldoldcoach….
Your eyesight is shot. The stupid kid did the blatant stare down that’s been a no no in sports across the board for years now.
He deserved exactly what he got. Had he not managed yet another technical earlier in the game for being even dumber then, this wouldn’t be an issue at all.
The Bear
March 8th, 2012
10:01 pm
Last post on this! SAD! I Say this young man’s Dreams of his high school experience are going to be ruined by some guy that decided to take up officiating to make some extra bucks. We’ll let me tell you as a former official you blew that call and should be reprimanded!
bballdawg
March 8th, 2012
10:11 pm
If I remember corrrectly the refs in the AJ Green incident admited the call was a bad one during the next week.. Nothing less is needed in this situation. Otherwise, any standard of fairness is out of the window.
Pirtdawg
March 8th, 2012
10:28 pm
119 people are idiots, how could you say that was a good call? Next your going to tell me AJ deserved the call against LSU a few years back. what a joke.
RHall55
March 8th, 2012
10:29 pm
Worst call of the year!! Too bad for C Mann to not be able to play in the remaining games in the playoffs!! Send the ref home!!!
The Grinch Sux
March 8th, 2012
10:45 pm
@TheGrinch why you on Bolden’s jock? Stop hatin and get a life. Why don’t we let Milton foul at the end of the game with no time left on the clock and shoot free throws to win the game with 0:00 remaining on the clock? Oh wait, that was done 2 years ago against Norcross. Cry me a river losers while I’m with your girl riding out my scholarship.
Bulldawg Rick
March 8th, 2012
10:49 pm
That ref was PAID!! Whatta punkA$$ zebra.. He should not ref another game – EVER!!!
www
March 8th, 2012
11:04 pm
that’s a BS call. no reason to call a technical for taunting in that situation. that ref should find another line of work.
TechBuzz
March 9th, 2012
1:09 am
the thug will fit right in at uga—he can stare down the players in the SEC to “intimidate” them! UGA will be on fire with this superstar!!!
PT
March 9th, 2012
7:08 am
Thats what I hate about basketball, It’s so inconsistent. I really doubt that guy will be doing the playoffs next year.
bubba4dawgs
March 9th, 2012
7:53 am
Wouldn’t you just love to hang a referee by his short hairs when you see a call like that! Why do some of them have to be a total a**?
GA Dawg 22
March 9th, 2012
8:11 am
After watching the replay there is no question the referee had it in for the kid. The ref was behind Charles and so he couldn’t have seen whether Charles was saying something to the other player or not. This should have been reviewed by the high school association and overturned. I feel sorry for Charles that he will miss the last two games off his career.
april glaspie
March 9th, 2012
9:16 am
Refs gone wild. In what universe. Looked like the celebratiom penalty on AJ. Unadulterated shinola.
Wilt the Stilt
March 9th, 2012
10:24 am
Thats crazy….The ref should be suspended for 2 games. He was looking for a reason to suspend the kid or he wanted to get on TV
If the High School Assoc. don’t over turn this call .. They don’t have any balls.
The worst call I’ve ever seen.
Freddie Blassie
March 9th, 2012
10:26 am
Good call, ref.
Milton Rules
March 9th, 2012
10:35 am
no big deal—milton blew out harrison without him.
Joe
March 9th, 2012
11:14 am
Brutal call!
Jimmy Crack
March 9th, 2012
11:24 am
How weird I thought he was guilty before I even saw the video (considering how many times two T’s are ever called on a single player in a game.
Surprising and shocking. The head ref should have overruled the call, and if it was the head ref, he should be reprimanded IN PRINT so this young man’s name is not tarnished (like it is with the AJC headline). UGA should file a complaint as well, IMO.
obviously bad call
March 9th, 2012
2:55 pm
not even close to being a T!
Jay
March 9th, 2012
3:34 pm
From that look above, the ref absolutely blew it! But what we don’t know, had he been warned prior to that play for talking or staring down the other player??? Yes he didn’t say a word, but a stare can start a fight as easy as words. This is HS basketball and the problem is these kids watch TV and think they can do the same thing the college and pro players do and THEY CAN NOT!!!
spot
March 9th, 2012
4:10 pm
This show how the level of high school officiating has sunk. It is really bad in all sports.
tough call
March 9th, 2012
4:21 pm
i watched a lot hs b ball and if thisis a T they must have missed 50 T in the games I watched!
SouthGADawg
March 9th, 2012
6:00 pm
This is a true shame. I can not believe this hasnt been overturned.
UGA75
March 9th, 2012
10:22 pm
I started Basketball officiating the year after I graduated from High School, and eventually made it to college ball. I’ve seen some really poor officiating and rotten calls, but this call was so far out of bound given the instructions the State High School Officiating Clinic provides and even the pre-tournament clinic, that this official should never be allowed on a floor again above the 10 and under children’s level. I’ve never hung out another official before in print, but this is disgraceful, uncalled for, and unjustifiable behavior by a man being paid to make decent calls. Not great, or even good, just fair, and this doesn’t pass the smell test, it reeks.
GEORGE
March 9th, 2012
10:44 pm
I AM A BAMA FAN SO NO PREJUDICE HERE. UNLESS HE SAID SOMETHING, WHICH YOU CANNOT SEE, THIS IS A VERY BAD CALL. HOW COULD YOU CALL A TEC ON THIS. VERY BAD CALL.
LeapingLeprechaun
March 10th, 2012
8:13 am
even as an Irish fan I would have to say that, that call sucked…No way that is a T…
Bad call
March 10th, 2012
4:44 pm
As a former offical, I was taught to never let the game get out of control. I don’t think officals in Ga are taught this important rule. The best set of Referees are the refs that let the players determine the out come of a game. The GHSA needs help with the training they to its officals especially on how to keep the game under control!!.
BAD CALL
I am glad to see that Milton won the 5AAAAA State championship.
coloradofalconsfan
March 10th, 2012
10:41 pm
The ref could not even see the Mann’s face because he was behind him. How in the world do you make that call? This is an injustice and needs to be overturned. Ref needs to be banned.
GT_EE_1993
March 11th, 2012
7:57 am
That same ref was at my kids Upward game last week and T’d up my 8-year old after a breaakway layup on an 8′ goal. He thought my kid stared at another kid but he was just looking at his mom so she could take a picture. Cost our kids the game… oh wait, no scoring in Upward.
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BeFair
March 12th, 2012
8:09 am
Why deaden the ball after the basket and mug? You know you can’t do that. But kids today don’t care about the rules only mugging it up. They are so so important that is why all the noise about this and the space on the AJC. Lets go back to the message Cairo football sent this year. 2 players do a robbery plea and finish the season. When they lose in playoffs to Peach Co (football we are talking) they go to jail to serve their time for robbery! Felons playing high school football. What goes on in these games is against the rules and bad sportmanship but no cares the players are just out there to feed the beast.. And you folks are the beast. Play by the rules at least in high school traveling and carrying the ball are gone with the peach baskets
BeFair
March 12th, 2012
8:11 am
Oh yeah Boyd seems to get the players…..How? GHSA has rules but doesn’t enforce them. Sit out when you transfer..nice all star team.
ugab
March 12th, 2012
8:25 pm
It is all about RESPECT!!!
MisterT
March 13th, 2012
8:18 am
I am a Tech fan.
THAT was a lousy call.
THWg!
hunker don for another ass kicking today
March 13th, 2012
9:46 pm
Absolutely he taunted the other player. The look was defiant and in the face. Good T