Josh Harvey-Clemons has signed with UGA … How will it affect national rankings?

The Josh Harvey-Clemons’ recruiting soap opera is over. He got his grandfather’s signature on Thursday morning and turned in the scholarship papers, one day after committing to UGA in front of a national TV audience.

You can read extensive coverage of Harvey-Clemons, how everything went down, and UGA’s reaction in this blog by the AJC Chip Towers. (Click on story link)

Now let’s get back to the Big Picture for UGA with some of the recruiting experts:

What did it mean for Georgia for Josh Harvey-Clemons to finally sign with them a day later?

  • Scout.com’s Chad Simmons: “It caps it off … I guess the cherry on top today with some drama. Yesterday, it seemed like they were going to get off to a good start at 9 o’clock in the morning [when Harvey-Clemons committed on ESPNU] – and I guess they kind of did with the commitment. But until the LOI is signed, nothing is official, as we all know now. This really caps it off well for Georgia. I’m sure they wish they could’ve landed a kid like Avery Young [signed with Auburn] or JaQuay Williams [Auburn] or someone else. But getting Josh Harvey-Clemons out of Lowndes is a big deal after seeing guys like Greg Reid and Telvin Smith go to Florida State. They’re going to have big-time players in the future at Lowndes and this is only going to help them down the road.”
  • 247sports’ Rusty Mansell: “That was a big way to end this class. You’ve got to keep those roads open to South Georgia. It was a big deal. After what Georgia has done with Malcolm Mitchell and Jay Rome last year, and started with Brice Ramsey for next year, South Georgia is pivotal for Georgia. This is big to keep the momentum going.” [Note: Brice Ramsey is the 2013 QB from Camden County who committed to UGA last summer. In an interesting development, Ramsey tweeted that he was offered by Alabama last week.]
  • Rivals’ Mike Farrell: “It means a restful weekend for Georgia’s coaches. We went through this last year with Cyrus Kouandjio committing to Auburn and then waiting through the weekend to make a decision and then flipping to Alabama. I’m sure the Georgia coaching staff is relieved … He’s the No. 1 player in the state. Moving forward from the ‘Dream Team’ last year, Georgia got the No. 1 player this year. Next year is absolutely loaded in the state of Georgia. Perception-wise and momentum-wise, this is huge. This sends a message of the kids in 2012. Hey this Harvey-Clemons kid stuck with us and we’re building something special.”
  • Me: “You can debate endlessly on whether Jordan Jenkins, Todd Gurley, Keith Marshall, John Theus or Harvey-Clemons was the No. 1 recruit from this class. However, there’s no doubt that Harvey-Clemons was the most important recruit for UGA for 2012 – from the standpoint of public relations and the general public’s perception. You and me — we are ‘die-hard’ followers of football recruiting on a year-round basis. It never ends for us. However, for mainstream America or 80-percent of college football fans, they don’t really zero in on recruiting until national signing day or the day before. And to see a kid put on a UGA baseball cap while smiling at ESPN cameras, and then to have him not sign – it would’ve been a public relations nightmare for UGA. We’re talking disastrous effect, no matter if Avery Young, JaQuay Williams, and Cordarelle Patterson all had picked the Bulldogs on Wednesday. Harvey-Clemons became THE recruiting story when he didn’t sign on time. Had he flipped, it would’ve looked bad for Georgia to the mainstream audience when they were tuning in and watching every move. Fortunately for Mark Richt, it turned to be good news. Now UGA supporters can go tell their friends that ‘the one who almost got away, didn’t get away, after talking with his grandpa.’”

What about the team rankings? Before Harvey-Clemons officially finished the paperwork, UGA was ranked No. 5 by ESPN, No. 6 by 247Sports, No. 12 by Scout, and No. 19 by Rivals. Will UGA now move up in the national rankings since Josh has signed?

  • Scout.com’s Chad Simmons: “They are probably going to be around the same for Scout. Even though Josh hadn’t signed, he was still counted toward Georgia as a commit from a rankings standpoint by Scout. It really doesn’t adjust it too much for us … I think from an overall Georgia standpoint, I think they’re going to be somewhere in the 10-15 range when all the letter-of-intent are in and the dust settles.”
  • 247Sports’ Rusty Mansell: “Georgia finished up No. 6 in the country for us, which was a very good class. We kept Josh counted toward Georgia because he was committed there until we knew otherwise. So basically, he was still there. Georgia finished No. 6, and I felt that was a good job, considering all they had going against the staff early with 0-2 start and other rumors. It was a good finish by their staff.”
  • Rivals’ Mike Farrell: “We had them at No. 19 and we’re still updating them. It’s probably not going to push them near the top 15. It’s not a big class. It’s not going to be a top 10 class in any way, shape or form. I’ve categorized it as a good class. Last year’s class was a great class. They’ve filled some needs at running back and defensive line especially, and the offensive line work was very good … Probably a top 15 class.” [Note: After Rivals updated its database, UGA bumped up to No. 11 overall in the rankings]
  • Me: “In our AJC team rankings, we now have UGA and Georgia Tech tied for first, with Georgia State trailing at No. 3.” [Note: We don't do team rankings at the AJC]

RELATED: Justin Taylor and his coach blast Alabama and … did you hear about the same kind of thing happening between the Crimson Tide and a defensive lineman yesterday? (Click on story link)

– By Michael Carvell, AJC Recruiting Blog

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213 comments Add your comment

ATLANTA GA , USA

February 2nd, 2012
10:35 am

First… Top 5 no doubt

RoopCas

February 2nd, 2012
10:37 am

First…. I think we have a great class that will only lead to more success in the future… Go Dawgs.

HandyDawg

February 2nd, 2012
10:38 am

I like this class better than last year’s don’t care what the expert’s think.

relieved Clemons came on board.

UGA is best for Clemons spiritually, and career.

OkieDawg

February 2nd, 2012
10:42 am

It’s great to be a Georgia Bulldawg…It’s great to be a Georgia Bulldawg

And

THWGT

BullDawg Rick

February 2nd, 2012
10:48 am

When I read all the goings on CMR hurdled at the South Georgia Church I believe it was a test & CMR won out..

Welcome to the Dawg Nation Josh…

Thank you Woodrow…

Wallace Butts

February 2nd, 2012
10:51 am

Geez, the haters are up early this morning. Good class UGA and good job coaches!

Raleigh

February 2nd, 2012
10:52 am

I wonder if we’re gonna put Him at OLB or ILB. I know he’s the #1 OLB but it’d be cool to see him alongside ogletree

GoBigDog

February 2nd, 2012
10:52 am

Michael, thanks for staying on top of Dawg recruiting! Your obvious long hours of research are appreciated by this Bulldog. Too bad that there are so many bug trolls in the comments, however..

cw

February 2nd, 2012
10:53 am

I dont care where we are ranked in recruiting, I care where we are ranked the first week of December

GoBigDog

February 2nd, 2012
10:54 am

Good point, cw.

Jiggy Smaha

February 2nd, 2012
10:55 am

UGA 5th nationally GA Text 10th in the ACC Sounds about right.

OkieDawg

February 2nd, 2012
10:56 am

Hey Jiggy, Sounds like Tech is a little overrated to me.

Muffin

February 2nd, 2012
11:01 am

dwaginflex………. I will cut your pay from 8 dollars an hour to 6 after I hire you. …

Watch your mouth, son.

DawginLex

February 2nd, 2012
11:02 am

muffin

I’m the boss. you are a TROLL

Reggie Ball

February 2nd, 2012
11:04 am

Welcome to DAWG NATION JHC. I really like the make up of this class. Would have loved the JC reciever that went to Tennessee and also Mr. A Young but for the most part we picked up huge need areas.

Go DAWGS!

GTBob

February 2nd, 2012
11:04 am

They are 13th on Scout now and 11th on Rivals. A little below what they normally get but not that bad.

AVikingFan

February 2nd, 2012
11:07 am

Josh Clemons is an outstanding student AND athlete. He started for Lowndes as center on the basketball team for 3 years. Everyone knows how many football positions he played last year. He is good enough as a student that he may be one of those rare student athletes who graduate in less than 4 years. He is the kind of person who can represent the University very well, ON and OFF the field.

His family AND GRANDFATHER are outstanding people, leaders in the community, devoted church members. Josh will be a GREAT ADDITION TO UGA!

Rick James

February 2nd, 2012
11:08 am

@Jiggy Smaha

Did you see CPJ on the news last night saying there’s no way to rank a recruiting class or a player? All of the experts are wrong and he’s right.Have you ever been around that guy that always has to the smartest in the room? Go Dawgs

sogadog

February 2nd, 2012
11:08 am

I am proud of the way CMR, CTG and all the coaches fought back with their backs against the wall after the 6-7 season and the 0-2 start. The ten straight wins, wins against Tenn, Florida, Auburn and Tech, and a good recruiting class are a tribute to these coaches and players. Many of us fair weather fans made it difficult for the coaches to recruit this year after the 0-2 start, yet the coaches pulled off a very good recruiting class. The future will remain bright at UGA if the coaches and players keep doing what they are doing.

Cobb Dawg

February 2nd, 2012
11:10 am

Michael, it’s way too early to be doing this — but do you have any thoughts on how well UGA might be positioned for next year’s class?

Wet Willie...keep on smiling

February 2nd, 2012
11:10 am

LOL..UGA the best college football team in America from March until August…then you have to play..

You need some more lets Hang Nick Saban articles from the homers! Think it will help UGA recruit??? Nick and Kirby will steal even more this year.Enjoy the Liberty Bowl and hope you don’t have to play UCF again.

The Ol Ball Coach

February 2nd, 2012
11:14 am

What does it matter; something always happens to these guys once they get to humptown.

GTBob

February 2nd, 2012
11:15 am

Many of us fair weather fans made it difficult for the coaches to recruit this year after the 0-2 start, yet the coaches pulled off a very good recruiting class.

If UGA went 0-12 last year they would still have a top 15 recruiting class. When are people going to figure out that coaches, and win loss records have very little meaning at some schools when it comes to recruiting?

Mike Slime

February 2nd, 2012
11:18 am

sogadog

February 2nd, 2012
11:08 am

The future will remain bright at UGA if the coaches and players keep doing what they are doing.

Especially if I continue to give the dawgs the easiest schedule in the SEC.

BiggDawgK

February 2nd, 2012
11:27 am

With every day bringing another humiliating chapter to the cesspool that is the north avenue trade school, it’s nice to see their fans still have time to bash teenagers that signed with Georgia. Classy as always techies.

BobDog

February 2nd, 2012
11:30 am

Recruiting rankings weigh heavily on numbers along with quality. A class of 19 hurt UGA’s ranking.

Unfortunately, Bama got quality and numbers. They will continue to be tough.

On Tech, when they hired Paul Johnson, I thought it was a good hire because his type of offense doesn’t depend on the players that get high rankings by the recruiting sites. Look at his success at Navy and at Tech, which hasn’t been bad.

@Cobb Dawg thoughts on how well UGA might be positioned for next year’s class?
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UGA has verbal commitments for next year already from Brice Ramsey, a QB from Camden County; Derrick Henry, a 6-3 225 RB from Yulee, FL who will be a 5-star; and I think an “Athlete”, Tramel Terry from Goose Creek, SC who is highly regarded.

It's about the kid, not you

February 2nd, 2012
11:33 am

First of all the grandfather/guardian comes across as a selfish d-bag after all this….
He only wanted the kid to go to florida because it was a shorter drive for himself.
I thought, maybe the guy was 80 years old or something like that.
Find out he’s only 51 ! Get in your car and drive to Athens or carpool. There are plenty of people heading that way from valdosta on saturdays. It’s about the kid, not you! Quit sounding lazy and selfish.
And why weren’t you in the picture with the kid on his big moment?

Where was he during his commitment?

February 2nd, 2012
11:35 am

Is the grandfather also that LSU mom in disguise?

nh gamecock

February 2nd, 2012
11:37 am

Bob tramel terry is open.

Funny how you ga fans talked bad about his grandpa now you praising him hmmmmmm

SEC Fans for Richt

February 2nd, 2012
11:37 am

It won’t impact rankings at all. They all already had him on their boards as a commit. It would have only changed downward, IF he came off the board and onto Florida’s. That’s a good class for UGa. Not the typically Top 8 but a good class. They addressed a need at RB but didn’t get the bruising, between the tackles runner they deperately need as Samuel doesn’t cut it. Still hurting at OLine however. That was a swing and a miss.

St johnsDawg

February 2nd, 2012
11:41 am

Michael, care to comment on the gene chizik interview at halftime last night? Telling recruits they can play until they show him different is not how I would want anyone to talk to my son.

Close the borders

February 2nd, 2012
11:42 am

So the Bamards try to pull another fast one, like J.Taylor, with another recruit….typical jerks. When are these parents and kids gonna realize how sleazy and unethical Saban and the Bamards are?
Glad Taylor signed elsewhere and told the truth about the harvey updyke state school.

Barner B. Jones

February 2nd, 2012
11:43 am

It doesn’t really matter. Uga will continue to be UF’s bitch and it will continue to watch the real powerhouses of the SEC win National Championships.

Nom Nom Nom Chuck's Taylor, or Norris if he is avaliable

February 2nd, 2012
11:47 am

Rival and Scout classes are BS…they are dependant on subscriptions to their website by fans of particular universities.

Ever seen a kid get an extra star cause ND is now considering him? Or a kid drop b/c he commits to another school. Look it up, it happens all the time.

Welcome to UGA….stings we didn’t get Young, while we wasted face time with that Williams who went to Auburn instead of pushing on Young after losing a recruit to a legislative issue. Whatever ladies; if something big does not happen next year, it ain’t happening with Richt. Schedule, returning players, new talent, consistent coaching staff.

2012=8-4…..booooooooooommmmm. These top classes mean nothing with W-L.

It's about the kid, not you

February 2nd, 2012
11:48 am

gamecock, I’m not praising the grandfather now….in fact I’m blasting him, NOW, for how selfish he came across.
Glad the kid finally went where the kid wanted to go.
Sure as heck wasn’t SC.

Remarkable

February 2nd, 2012
11:50 am

UGA can sign more next year than some of these others like Alabama who will have to figure out how to get some of their players to quit. UGA will be able to sign a big class in 2013 when so many great players come out in Georgia.
Even if you add up all four of the rankings, and get an average, UGA comes out 8.5. That seems like a consensus top ten recruiting class.

Fan

February 2nd, 2012
11:51 am

@ Wet Willie
1. Kirby will likely be a head coach somewhere else by this time next year.
2. Yeah, a UCF loss is so much worse than a Louisiana-Lafayette loss, huh.
3. Saban still doesn’t have a winning record against UGA.
4. In the end, its just game. I’d much rather have a coach with good morals than one who would readily destroy the future of a young man for his own personal gain. If you care more about wins and losses than the well being of another human being, that’s your prerogative. Hope you never get the short end of that stick. Go troll some other message board.

go watch springer

February 2nd, 2012
11:52 am

nom nom chuck….want to bet on that record?
Then again, doubt you have any money other than a welfare check or EBT card.

BigGAdawg

February 2nd, 2012
11:56 am

The only national ranking I care about is where we finish at the end of the year. National rankings on recruiting classes are not so important, especially since each rating service uses a different system to some up with their number. What is important is that UGA filled it’s needs and got some truly talented and great young men to add to the team. The future looks bright–with the ones we got and the ones we kept this fall should be very exciting to say the least.
WOOF WOOF WOOF!!!!!!!

RiverDawg

February 2nd, 2012
11:56 am

I like the way ESPN rates a class……….how a team fills it’s needs. UGA seems to have come up a little short for the OL but everywhere else a need was met. How many superstars can one team have before egos get in the way and players begin the transfer process?

Nom Nom Nom Chuck's Taylor, or Norris if he is avaliable

February 2nd, 2012
11:57 am

nom nom chuck….want to bet on that record?
Then again, doubt you have any money other than a welfare check or EBT card.

What?

Summit Dawg

February 2nd, 2012
11:58 am

Who gives a “flip” about the rankings….!! Now that we got ‘em, lets see if Richt and BooBoo can coach them up to this level…..I don’t think there’s any doubt that Grantham will!!!! Go Dawgs!!

sprouse27

February 2nd, 2012
12:05 pm

Hey, it’s great Dawgs are getting some talent, but the big question remains….what are they going to do with it? Alabama gets number 1 recruiting classes and wins BCS titles. Dawgs have had a host of good recruiting classes and win the East mostly because of an easier schedule. Time for the coaching to get on line with the advertised talent and make something positive happen in Athens.

DawginSewer

February 2nd, 2012
12:07 pm

Yeas, Yeas we be pre-seasons firstes in the nations. thesn Scouths Carolineas beast us by 50.

Ruffs, Ruffs.

DawgByte

February 2nd, 2012
12:09 pm

Given how the season started and the emphasis on turning it around in order to keep jobs safe, this is a heck of a class. There’s not another team in the nation that landed the running backs Georgia did. We got solid help at the DL and OLB positions and landed a OT that should start for us at some point this year.

Next year we need quantity and quality.

BigGAdawg

February 2nd, 2012
12:09 pm

SEC Fans for Richt–”They addressed a need at RB but didn’t get the bruising, between the tackles runner they deperately need…” I would not be so sure of that. Gurley is known as a guy who will run you over, however, he is a speedy guy also–ran track in international team competitions. And, Marshall is known as a speedy guy (and he certainly is that, but coaches and bloggers who scouted him have written that he can make quite an impact when running and breaking tackles and running up the middle also. Both of these guys are impact players and I am anticipating some fun Saturdays for the next several years. And don’t forget the kid coming next year….Derrick Henry (6-4, 222) is a running back from Yulee, Florida…Have a look at the future — these are his Sophmore highlights — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJmi_0s0xZQ

RealDawg

February 2nd, 2012
12:14 pm

I think Alabama needs to change the name of their team to the Greyshirts.

CopTat

February 2nd, 2012
12:16 pm

I would have traded Clemons for Avery, Williams and Patterson in a heartbeat.

RealDawg

February 2nd, 2012
12:17 pm

Here is the other guy with the video. Read the comments. Bama fans are dillusional. http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/02/alabama_commitment_darius_phil_1.html

RTR22

February 2nd, 2012
12:29 pm

Hey Fan, Saban might not have a winning record against Ga but so what???? ALABAMA SURE DOES lol…. you and everybody else in the SEC…Bama is NUMBER ONE. Roll Tide