Why do UGA and Georgia Tech rarely go head-to-head in football recruiting?

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Georgia and Georgia Tech will battle it out on the field on Saturday, but the two archrivals rarely go head-to-head in the recruiting world.

The state of Georgia is one of the top manufacturers of college talent in the nation, producing around 175-185 prospects that sign with FBS schools (formerly NCAA Div. I-A) on an annual basis.

Both Georgia and Georgia Tech tap into the local talent pool, focusing heavily on homegrown kids for their recruiting classes. However, it has been very rare for the archrivals go head-to-head on a Georgia kid in recent years. In fact, it’s unlikely that Georgia and Georgia Tech will be the two finalists on any prospect from the state’s 2012 crop — although that could always change before February’s signing day.

High-profile battles over homegrown recruits are an annual tradition in bordering states with Auburn-Alabama, South Carolina-Clemson and – this year – Vanderbilt-Tennessee.

Mark Richt (AP)

Mark Richt (AP)

“We’ve gone after some of the same kids over the years,” Georgia coach Mark Richt said. “I’m not sure why there’s not more this year, or really not more every year. But it was the same type of situation when I was at Florida State. People thought we’d go more head-to-head with Miami over the kids in Florida, but there really wasn’t as much crossover as you would think.

“Maybe with Georgia and Georgia Tech, just like with Florida State and Miami, the young men are just looking for different things in a college, whether it’s the campus atmosphere, type of education, football stuff or whatever.”

What about Georgia Tech?  “Every kid is different and every kid is looking for a different thing,” said Andy McCollum, the team’s recruiting coordinator. “If you have a kid from Georgia who is very serious about getting a great education and fits in with what we do at Georgia Tech, we’re going to be one of the finalists. The competition could be Georgia, or somebody else in the ACC and SEC. You have everybody in the nation coming into to the state recruit kids.”

“In the state of Georgia, Georgia and Georgia Tech are the two big schools. We’re going to compete for a lot of kids. There may be some that Georgia is not on, and there may some we’re not on, for whatever reasons. Then you have everybody else in the country coming in and trying to recruit. The competition for kids in the state of Georgia is big.”

According to the Rivals.com database, Georgia and Georgia Tech both offered only 19 of the same homegrown prospects – four selected the Bulldogs and one picked the Yellow Jackets, while the other 12 committed to out-of-state schools or remain undecided. Out of the five pledged to Georgia or Georgia Tech, none listed the archrival as the runner-up.

Paul Johnson (AJC photo)

Paul Johnson (AJC photo)

“I think the biggest reason is just the systems they run,” explained Chad Simmons, Scout.com’s National Recruiting Analyst. “There may be a little bit different requirements academically but I think it’s mostly the systems they run, more specifically the offenses. They are not going to recruit too many of the same type of offensive linemen. Georgia has more of a power running game with play-action and wants guys 6-5 and 320. Georgia Tech wants guys more mobile and more agile that can pull with the option and get to the second level to block. Georgia Tech is also going after that one big wide receiver every year who can be the next ‘Bee Bee’ [Demaryius Thomas] or Stephen Hill and be a premiere ‘go-to’ guy.

“Now on defense, with Al Groh [Georgia Tech’s defensive coordinator] running a 3-4 like Georgia, I do think there will be more head-to-head recruiting down the road.”

Said 247Sports.com’s Rusty Mansell, “It’s not as much Georgia vs. Georgia Tech as it is fighting other schools to keep them out of their state. Offensively, it’s pretty obvious that Georgia and Georgia Tech recruit different types of prospects to fit their systems … but on defense, I think you’ll see more head-to-head battles in the future because they both run the 3-4.”

Georgia Tech has 11 commitments for 2012, including six from the state of Georgia. The Yellow Jackets could sign as many as 10 more. The top local commitments are 4-star defensive end Francis Kallon of Central Gwinnett High School and defensive tackle Pat Gamble of Central of Carrollton.

“You take Pat Gamble; he had an offer from Georgia,” Mansell said. “I saw him against Troup County, and he probably didn’t get as much publicity as he should have this year. And with Francis, Georgia still recruited and evaluated him until recently … he’s as hot as any prospect in the state. After what he has done after only one year of football, I think he’s going to be special … I’m a big fan of Micheal Summers, [athlete recruited to play WR] out of Statesboro. He’s 6-1, maybe 190 pounds and can run. I think Georgia Tech has done a good job of filling their needs this year.”

UGA has 15 commitments, including 11 from within the state. They could sign as many as 10 more. UGA’s top commitment is from Florida, 5-star OL John Theus of Jacksonville.

“I think both Georgia and Georgia Tech have done well so far; I think it will pick up in a good way for both teams,” Simmons said. “After Georgia’s 0-2 start, they’ve won 9 in a row, which is only going to help with recruiting. Georgia Tech is 8-3. They’ve had a few hiccups but they also beat Clemson. I think both schools could close strong.”

– By Michael Carvell, AJC Recruiting Blog

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201 comments Add your comment

ATLANTA GEORGIA, USA

November 23rd, 2011
6:02 pm

I would say for this two teams to make their annual rivalry game more interesting and get national attention!!! they should consider playing at GA DOME every year. I am sure this will attract the best of the best homgrown talents that would have otherwise go to AL, FL, USC etc etc

jarv1506

November 23rd, 2011
6:02 pm

bwell

November 23rd, 2011
6:13 pm

Ga is the bigger school, who gets all the attention. Tech is okay, but who want to Tech. GO DAWGS!

Say What?

November 23rd, 2011
6:14 pm

I agree with Atlanta Georgia USa, play that game in the dome would be huge…..But kids today are like drama queens with this recruiting. They have a top 10, set up a press conference, pray about it.
come on is it really that hard to choose?
If you choose Alabama at least you will get to play for the national Championship even when you don’t play for the conference Championship…………

How bout those nut riders at ESPN and the BCS!

PIERCE COUNTY DAWG

November 23rd, 2011
6:15 pm

Because tech cannot compete with GEORGIA ON THE FIELD OR RECRUITING. WE ARE TOO PHYSICAL TECHIES

You say what?

November 23rd, 2011
6:17 pm

do the BCS computers have artificial intelligence?
If not then someone is programing the data in them that equates to Alabama losing and dropping one spot and everyone else losing and dropping more than one spot.
but really, you guys didn’t see this coming? After the game was over they were already talking about it!

When they play in that game, GA fans should cry foul, 2007,remember that? ESPN said you didnt qualify for the same reason Bama is going to qualify……

I hate the BCS and i Hate Bama!

Go Dawgs

PIERCE COUNTY DAWG

November 23rd, 2011
6:18 pm

PLAYERS WANT TO PLAY WITH A TEAM THAT HAS CLASS LIKE GEORGIA. WE OWN TECH

Oracle of the SEC

November 23rd, 2011
6:20 pm

Why not in the Dome every other year or every third year?

Kevin

November 23rd, 2011
6:21 pm

They go for the 2 stars, while we prefer to stick with the blue chippers… hence the results 9 out of the past 10 years

You say what now?

November 23rd, 2011
6:21 pm

I hate Kirk Herbstreet, wow, must be nice to flip flop like he did, Two best teams? Dang, how do you lose at home and you are still the best team. He must be having a Gay relationship with Saban…….
Maybe next year we can lose all out games and still still play for the NC

GT ATW

November 23rd, 2011
6:29 pm

Let’s be honest, we don’t sign the kind of talent GA signs each year. I think that mostly has to do with academics. If you are talented enough to go pro and college football is just a stopover for you on the way to the big $, why go somewhere where you have to study your butt off every day to stay eligible to play? Nevertheless, the Jackets will win on Saturday and prove that intelligence also counts for something on the football field. THWG!

KOOL

November 23rd, 2011
6:34 pm

Playing the game in the dome would have minimal effect on keeping home grown talent in state… stupid idea.

UGA already has a neutral site game each season, and I have no interest in going to the Georgia Dome unless UGA is playing for an SEC championship

Girls

November 23rd, 2011
6:35 pm

Some high school boys like to date girls too…….there is a dearth of girls at GT.

Not so fast my friend!

November 23rd, 2011
6:39 pm

If Alabama loses the NC game ESPN will scheduled another game and another until they finally win. Or we will have co national champions!

ToeMeetsLeather

November 23rd, 2011
6:41 pm

I don’t blame a kid for not wanting to go to TECH if his only goal in life is to play in the NFL. We tried to push the envelope a few years back with Gailey with some marginal kids and lost ten off the two deep in one semester. When you see TECH hiding players at Hargrave Militay for a year, you will know we are recruiting from the same group of prospects.

The Grinch

November 23rd, 2011
6:41 pm

Better question than why not play at the dome. Why play tech at all? The SEC is expanding again so more of UGA’s annual schedule will soon be devoted to more SEC games.

Does beating tech improve our recruiting? No. Does the 1 year in 10 victory for tech help their recruiting? Maybe.

One last thing – If we stop playing tech home and away we could schedule another annual home game in a stadium that holds almost 100,000 people rather than having to go to Atlanta every other year to play in a stadium that holds about 45,000.

Just food for thought.

A person SMART enough to know......

November 23rd, 2011
6:42 pm

You want to play in the DOME fine. It will be the Kickoff Classic and when UGA is supposed to have the game in Athens.

Gravy Train

November 23rd, 2011
6:45 pm

The academic argument is a myth that only the Nerd Herd believes. They pump that argument to justify their lack of success athletically. Tech has remedial classes available for their athletes if they go to class at all. The real reason there aren’t more head to head battles is that most blue chips don’t want to play in a high school offense that doesn’t prepare them for pro ball. Chan Gailey was a far better recruiter than Turkey Neck. That’s a fact. Chan went head to head with Georgia for recruits on an anual basis. Yet, to the Nerd Herd, a recruit’s aptitude is somehow inflated if they choose to sign with Tech? If the same kid instead signs with Georgia, then he can’t handle the courses at the Trade School is what they say. It’s nothing but a load of BS they shovel to try to find any way to be better than Georgia at something. It’s a reach at the least.

Jacket Man

November 23rd, 2011
6:45 pm

With all of UGA’s blue chip recruits, and GA Tech’s hand-me-downs, you’d think the Bulldogs would blow the Jackets out of the stadium every time they played, wouldn’t you, especially now that Paul Johnson has brought his High School offense on board. The problem with that theory is that stars don’t equate to quality college football players, especially when they go away from home for the first time, they aren’t taught well, or the team is out-coached during the game.

If the five star dream team superstars don’t play like a team, or can’t stay on the field, then the two and three star athletes who work hard, play smart, play like a team, and have a coach on the sideline who is more clever and aware than you coach could ever be, then it’s safe to say there will be a competitive game come Saturday unless something unusual happens, like bad weather, injuries, dumb mistakes, etc.

The Grinch

November 23rd, 2011
6:45 pm

ToeMeetsLeather
November 23rd, 2011
6:41 pm

So all of tech’s “affaleets” desire to be engineers, right? BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

The Grinch

November 23rd, 2011
6:48 pm

Jacket Man
November 23rd, 2011
6:45 pm

“and have a coach on the sideline who is more clever and aware than you coach could ever be”

That fourth down call agaist Va Tech was incredibly “clever and aware”, now wasn’t it? BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Worm

November 23rd, 2011
6:53 pm

When you have Andy McCollum and that program he ran at MTSU as your recruiting coordinator-That speaks volumes.

True DAWG fan

November 23rd, 2011
6:54 pm

Tech fans how many head 2 head games have you won? Point proven….you bee’s are just annoying!

Worm

November 23rd, 2011
6:56 pm

Jacketman-Are you saying Attachu punches somebody come Saturday..My guess would be Paul Johnson does that in the press room..The jackets were “punched out” of the ACC title game…
Only at Tech could a rape occur during tailgating festivities.

RICHARD

November 23rd, 2011
6:57 pm

PLAYERS WANT TO GO WHERE THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS GATECH 4 HERSHAL WALKER 1 HAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA

Sam

November 23rd, 2011
7:09 pm

Amazing video of a high school senior from Columbia TN who kicks the ball dead straight 75-80 yards in the air. He was successful on 54 of 54 attempts this season….100%. Now he needs a college team. Compete for this guy. Wants to go to GT but might consider UGA.

Watch for yourself…it is unreal!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_JKwgwFY3g

cptzzggyy

November 23rd, 2011
7:09 pm

Alabama is the school that seems to recruit (Georgia) homegrown talent the best, followed by Auburn, UGA, South Carolina & finally Tech!

SuperB

November 23rd, 2011
7:21 pm

It’s simple really: UGA goes after the 4 and 5-star players, while GT goes after the 2 and 3-star players, same as most ACC schools except Florida State.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

November 23rd, 2011
7:35 pm

i think scout has it right…different athletes for different programs. obviously, UGA & SEC football is more attractive in the long run. Bigger stadiums and better national coverage does a lot to an 18yr old kid.

we get it sam

November 23rd, 2011
7:48 pm

stop it already.Is this kid ur wife,,,,are u retarded,,just get off ur wallmart shift.Damn.Just damn.

Augusta Jacket

November 23rd, 2011
7:52 pm

To Girls. So you think there more H/S Girls in little town Athens, THAN BIG TOWN ATLANTA . You can tell you went to UGAY

Dawg1

November 23rd, 2011
8:01 pm

Bullpupp

November 23rd, 2011
8:31 pm

Yea Georgia gets all these “blue chip” players but look what happens to them lol.

JOE

November 23rd, 2011
8:34 pm

The academic aspect is a huge myth! Most GT players aren’t taking engineering. They are taking management classes and UGA actually has a better managment program. Most of these kids on both teams aren’t rocket scientists any way. GT’s coach is an idiot that is cocky for no reason and shuts down kids that don’t want to comitt to the mighty GT and visit other schools. Either wy stay away from the academic piece as a reason. GT football players are not taking tough courses tht most other GT students take. Same goes for basketball.

JOE

November 23rd, 2011
8:35 pm

BTW…..thw Walmart you work for us claims are also false. Have you checked to see what is required to get into UGA now a days too?

DODDofMAN

November 23rd, 2011
8:42 pm

TECH has more tradition better facilities better bowl record more 1st rounders in the last 3 years!!! If you want to be a 4* or 5* athlete and not get a decent chance to play until your senior year or if you want to go to jail Ugay is the place for you

bcall

November 23rd, 2011
8:45 pm

gosh i wonder why TECH didn’t go after Isah Crowell,like him or 95% would get in at TECH the same reason we don’t do hardly any to no jr. college transfers,yes systems have alot do with it but grades are more to do with it

bcall

November 23rd, 2011
8:47 pm

hey joe u ever heard of core classes,yeah are’s aren’t gym 101 or rollin joints 101,why am i on here r u retarted

chas_jacket

November 23rd, 2011
8:54 pm

Athletes at both schools generally take less demanding curriculum than the student body average. What Tech has going against it is that there are fewer choices for majors due to the science/engineering focus. As far as being competitive, the dogs owned under Gailey, but anyone who has actually watched the last three games under CPJ knows that either team could be 3-0 or 0-3 if one play had gone differently. Expect the same Saturday – Go Jackets !

MC

November 23rd, 2011
8:54 pm

Yeah GT ATW that Ivan Allen School of Liberal Arts sure is demanding. LMAO!

The Grinch

November 23rd, 2011
9:05 pm

MC
November 23rd, 2011
8:54 pm

Correctamundo! Here’s some of the challenging “engineering” majors you can earn at tech:

The School of History, Technology, and Society
The School of Literature, Communication, and Culture
The School of Modern Languages
The School of Public Policy

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

JOE

November 23rd, 2011
9:05 pm

Correct Chas! Most football players aren’t working on top notch degrees. There are exceptions. bcall Are’s? or Ours? UGA does offer some weaker courses but take a look at academics as a whole and UGA is much higher than 10 years ago and is a very good academic institution which has some very sucessfull grads that understand the difference between are’s and ours. :)

bitter what!!!

November 23rd, 2011
9:08 pm

TROLLS—-just think for a minute!!!!!!——we could be PENN ST——-OR OHIO ST

———FILL better now???????????????

OLD MAN

November 23rd, 2011
9:12 pm

you have be able to read and write to go to tech

OLD MAN

November 23rd, 2011
9:15 pm

georgia players can count to 10 tech players can do math

chas_jacket

November 23rd, 2011
9:20 pm

I went to tech in the 70’s and the academic disparity was more pronounced then. Like most of the state schools in the south that have funneled lottery money into keeping in state academic talent, uga is a better school overall academically today. My son went to Clemson because it was free for him being in state – clemson used to be an Ag school but now has phenominal entrant SAT scores and is rated very high among public schools. And as mentioned before , the Tech/ UGA footbal programs are also much closer over the past three years and will hopefully be even after Saturday.

NiquePhotog

November 23rd, 2011
9:29 pm

Sorry JOE,

GT has a higher ranked Management program than UGA’s prized Terry College of Business. GT’s Management is still a Bachelor of Science so it require Calculus, Physics, Chemistry, etc. Hence, more difficult.

Go look up the US News and World Report rankings. GT is right behind Emory.

Saban

November 23rd, 2011
9:30 pm

Well I get who I want. I was talking to Miles last night and he said he was going to hang 50 on the Dawgs.

We will flip for the National Championship.

Glad Richt will be back. Recruiting Georgia is pretty easy with the big easy in Athens.

Truth about the Academics

November 23rd, 2011
9:39 pm

The truth about the Academics at GT vs UGA is NOT that they are more difficult at GT … its that GT’s TYPE of Academics is much less popular. There is a SEVERE decline in this country, and especially in Georgia, of kids who want to study anything related to Science and Math. That and the social fear of being branded a “Nerd” just for being interested in Science and Math and wanting to go to GT.

Dr. Phil

November 23rd, 2011
9:42 pm

If you like to hang out with dorks from India and Pakistan..Tech is the place for you!