UGA coach Mark Richt sounds off on controversial recruiting issue of ‘oversigning’

What do I REALLY think? Richt has been "unplugged" in Bulldog Club Meetings (AJC photo)

What do I REALLY think? Richt has been "unplugged" in Bulldog Club Meetings (AJC photo)

There’ something about the Georgia Bulldog Club meetings that seems to bring out “the edge” in UGA football coach Mark Richt.

The normally cool and calm (and almost always “politically correct) Richt from press conferences and halftime TV interviews … well, that guy morphs into a different person in Q&A sessions with his fanbase.

Richt was asked about the controversial issue of “oversigning” this week in Greenville, S.C.

“Oversigning” is when a college signs more recruits than it has scholarships available. There’s an entire website dedicated to the hotley-debated issue at oversigning.com

Richt was very opinionated on the topic, reported UGASports.com’s Anthony Dasher (go here to read the full article):

“If you sign a class, you can only bring in as many as you have room for, so let’s say you have 85 on scholarship and let’s say you have 15 seniors graduating. Well, there’s only 15 more spots for 85, you can sign 25 guys, by rule, and in February you can sign those 25 guys,” Richt said. “Now, by the time that season starts, you may have more attrition, five more guys may leave for whatever reason, may go pro, transfer, so let’s say you’re down to 20.

“You’ve got 20 spaces but you’ve still signed 25. Well, you can bring them in during the summer, work them and let your strength staff work with them, and decide which ones you like the best. The other five, you can tell them, ‘Hey, we know we signed you, we expect you to come in, but we don’t have space for you, we’re sorry, but you have to leave and come back in January.’”

After a brief pause, Richt gave his feelings on that particular tactic.

“I think that’s an awful thing to do,” Richt said. “It’s nothing that we have ever done since we’ve been at Georgia.”

Richt conceded that’s not the case with grayshirts, something he admitted Georgia has talked to recruits about doing in the past.

“Oversigning” is a particularly sensitive issue in the Atlanta area, after what happened between South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier and Lorenzo Mauldin, the defensive end from Atlanta’s Maynard Jackson High School (go here to read full story).

What are YOUR thoughts on Richt’s comments?

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243 comments Add your comment

Itsmeagain

May 14th, 2011
2:08 am

Oversigning is a disgrace. What lessons does a university teach to students by making a commitment to a person and the backing out of it way after the student has already put their eggs into that basket. It’s like offering someone a job, waiting until they have quit their old job, and then when they turn up to start at their new job telling them “oh, sorry, there is no job for you here”. Disgraceful.

BAMA Satan

May 14th, 2011
2:25 am

I’m a master at managing my numbers

sam

May 14th, 2011
2:26 am

Nothing wrong with oversiging by one or two as long as the kids know grayshirting is an option up front.

Toilet Bowl

May 14th, 2011
2:58 am

I’m not hurt coach. Why do I have to take a medical hardship.

Satan: We are all about winning National Championships here son. Hasta la vista, baby!

Alabamadawg

May 14th, 2011
3:46 am

I am so glad Georgia doesn’t oversign. It’s wrong, plain and simple. These kids tell the world they’re going to bama, then get down there and find out they’re not enough scholarships to go around. Its disgraceful !! Schools that do that should be punished. Gray shirt on the other hand is okay, as long as the student knows in the beginning that is the offer.

7576DAWG

May 14th, 2011
4:55 am

What makes the over signing issue so pathetic is many of the recruits are raised these days with an entitlement attitude and them and their guardian don’t care that a coach has values such as morals, ethics and integrity. Maybe someone with a religious background like Ray Drew would give CMR high marks for his values but 90% were not raised with those values and could care less.
The SEC and the NCAA should have a high standard that should be enforced but there are so many loop holes in the rules there might as well not even be any. Coaches like CMR will always have a disadvantage. .

Score Check

May 14th, 2011
5:07 am

Hey, 7576DAWG I respectfully disagree were your assertion that “90% were not raised with those values and could care less”.

I think it is more a case of slick coaches such as Satan taking advantage of naive kids and their parents.

hiveredtech

May 14th, 2011
5:35 am

What is even worse is when they force kids off the roster after their So-R season if they are not in the two deep…or even after Fr-R season. Those kids often are in good standing academically and have done everything they were supposed to do on and off the field…they were just not good enough to earn a starting role. These kids, often from families without money, are many times not able to graduate from the school they were originally recruited by. All of the promises made to families about graduating their child are long forgotten and the high school coaches continue to send their players to these schools so they can get a pat on the back from a college coach. Sad.

dawgerbrown

May 14th, 2011
6:37 am

Kids are willing to make a four year commitment to a University, however the University can make a one year commitment to the player. Then, if they want, they can send them on their way after one year. Afterwards, the player has to transfer to a lower division, or sit out a year. Just doesn’t seem right.

NoGaGator

May 14th, 2011
6:59 am

Agree with CMR. Unfortunately, until the NCAA does something about this, Saban and others will continue to exploit the rule. Nicky has refined this practice to an art form.

It Ain't Rocket Science

May 14th, 2011
7:06 am

I’ll take an honest coach over ten dishonest ones any day. I realize winning seems to be the all important thing in college football these days; however, I think it is important for the players to have a role model as well. Football, for the majority of players will end once college is over, so I think he tries to steer them in the right direction. It is hard to do that with all the hype attached to these kids coming out of high school, but I think CMR tries hard to get it right.

Beast from the East

May 14th, 2011
7:08 am

How are his comments considered “edgy”? This is all old news.

trupert

May 14th, 2011
7:37 am

Good for Mark Richt, I’m glad he made it public. I can say that in having Mark Richt as the coach at UGA, we have one of the very few coaches in the SEC that has integrity and that’s a UGA point of pride.

The NCAA or the SEC need to fix the problem of oversigning because until they close that door coaches who put winning a football game over honesty and integrity will continue to take advantage of these 18 year old kids.

Most Alabama fans will tell you that it never happens at Alabama but they can’t explain away the +23 players that Saban has signed over the last four years, that’s an entire recruiting class. Saban won’t even tell the media how many he has on scholarship and he is talking healthy but underperforming players into bogus medical hardship scholarships. You would think that violates a rule?

What’s next, paying off an official to make just a couple of calls go your way. It is the next logical step in the we will do anything to win a football game regardless of ethics game.

trupert

May 14th, 2011
7:41 am

So that’s what it takes to keep the Alabama trolls quiet. Just bring up oversigning and they disappear.

Stinger2

May 14th, 2011
7:51 am

This GT fan admires CMR for his up front remarks he has maded at these spring Bulldog Club meetings. Especially this one about oversigning. Gray-shirting is o.k. as long as the recruit and his family understand this policy before he signs under this condition.

Saban

May 14th, 2011
7:55 am

I know the folks at Clarke County Correctional and the local remedial grammer school in Athens are fully supportive of Richt`s recruiting strategy. His no thug left behind is an example for all losers to follow.

Oh well another year another national championship.

Is it true Georgia is offering a new major for football players. Bailbondsmen and repo`s. Believe Choakdawgs was a bailbondsmen.

techster

May 14th, 2011
8:05 am

oversigning is wrong

It Ain't Rocket Science

May 14th, 2011
8:12 am

Beast from the east,

The comments are not any older then reading your crap you post on here every time. Tell me, do you ever go and post on your own UF blogs? Better even, do you even have a blog. I bet they would probably get as tired of seeing you on one of theirs as most folks do on here. Son, you need to get a life, and quit worring about UGA every day. Your comments with lack of supportive reasoning will have no affect on how the DAWGS play or what they think about UF. They certainly do not boost your image on blogs that have or should not have any concern to you. In time, even you amusing garbage gets old and needs to be revised. Try something original and with some in depth analysis and you might garner more or at least a little respect from others on here. To use an

trupert

May 14th, 2011
8:13 am

Saban. Another year another fourth place finish in the West.

You would think a coach could do more than that after bringing in 23 extra players over the last four years. Saban is over rated and will finish behind both LSU and Arkansas.

Funny how he won more with Schulas players than he has with his own.

Ricardo

May 14th, 2011
8:15 am

Guys, why are you so infatuated with what Saban does at Alabama? If you want to focus on teams that are the biggest culprits of oversigning, look at the SEC for the last three years.

Ole Miss signed 27 in ‘11, 25 in ‘10 and 37 in ‘09.
Arkansas signed 30 in ‘11, 25 in ‘10 and 31 in ‘09.
South Carolina signed 32 in ‘11, 23 in ‘10 and 29 in ‘09.
Auburn signed 24 in ‘11, 32 in ‘10 and 28 in ‘09.

Alabama signed 22 in ‘11, 26 in ‘10 and 27 in ‘09.

Saban oversigned 3 players over a 3-year span, but everyone wants to single him out as the poster boy for this practice. He has said that the only way he will oversign is with the recruit understanding up front that they may need to greyshirt. He hasn’t surprised anyone after they were already recruited and arrived on campus.

The point is — get your facts straight before you start spewing your venom. You show your ignorance when you do that. And for those that think Richt is a choir boy for not oversigning — how many did Georgia sign last year? 26. Isn’t that oversigning?

Bama Stan

May 14th, 2011
8:17 am

Me hurt and sad.

Me want my mommy.

skydawg

May 14th, 2011
8:17 am

Only cheaters and narcissistic a$$es need to oversign. See Bama, SC, AU and ARK.

It Ain't Rocket Science

May 14th, 2011
8:17 am

Saban,

you would think you would be at your school, helping them and that devastated town recover from the severe weather they recently had. I guess, you are probably a 98 pound weakling with your mouth being the largest part of your body and therefore would be more in the way than anything.
You certainly do not offer anything of substance when you are on a blog, so one can assume that you are just as worthless as your blogs appear to make you seem.

GR82BAG8R

May 14th, 2011
8:18 am

Kudos to Richt for his position on this issue. Dodd left the SEC for similar reasons. Some teams were signing kids to keep others from getting them, then releasing them after others had filled their quotas – - basically using recruiting as a try-out system. Dodd felt once you offered a kid a scholarship, you owed him an education. If he did not pan out, it wasn’t his fault, it was yours and your recruiter’s. Dodd thought he had a agreement with Bryant to fix the problem, but the Alabama President voted otherwise.

Jag Dawg

May 14th, 2011
8:20 am

With all the idiotic rules the NCAA enforces, here is a legitimate issue they should address and they do nothing. All conferences should have rules prohibiting this and stiff penalties if it is violated. I can’t even imagine how pissed I would be if this happened to my child. On top of missing a scholarship offer from another school would be the humiliation. Any school (coach) that does this should be ashamed and removed from his job.

Honesty is such a lonely word

May 14th, 2011
8:22 am

“I will not leave the Miami Dolphins for BAMA or any other school.”

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2718488

The ends ALWAYS justify the means.

Son that sprained ankle and your lack of talent have just earned you a medical hardship. Now move over so the next guy can have a try out for our two deep roster.

It Ain't Rocket Science

May 14th, 2011
8:23 am

Ricardo,

UGA signed 26 total but two count against the class of 2010. LeMay and another young man. 24 count against 2011, so no, they did not oversign. We have also had one academically disqualified so that would leave two opening in the class of 2011. Don’t let the math get in your way though. Never seems to sink in with other Alabama folks that come on to this blog.

Beast from the East

May 14th, 2011
8:27 am

@It Ain’t Rocket Science,
Who needs to get a life? I asked how his comments are condisdered “edgy”. You, in turn, feel the need to respond to everyone that does not share your same viewpoint. It’s an open forum for ANYONE to express their opinion, but apparently that’s a little over your head, Rocket Scientist. Maybe if you pulled it out of Richt’s rear you could see that.

Hey Ricardo

May 14th, 2011
8:28 am

Hey Ricardo. You seem to be a bit confused on the REAL numbers.

Quit drinking the Kool-aide. How many medical hardships has BAMA given since CNS arrived compared to the rest of the S.E.C.?

1eyedJack

May 14th, 2011
8:28 am

aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!

1eyedJack

May 14th, 2011
8:33 am

Even Scout.com’s Eligibility Tracker don’t know who Saban has on scholarship. Top Secret!

1eyedJack

May 14th, 2011
8:37 am

Georgia Tech is the one who is really hurt by this. When Awbun, Bama, SC, etc. oversign guys out of Georgia it takes away players that may have been considering Tech.

Nah, never mind.

Beast from the East

May 14th, 2011
8:40 am

1eyedJack,
I agree that the other schools in the area may be affected short term. Lomg term, if a coach is doing this then it will come back to haunt them. Kids will steer clear of them and rightfully so.

Ricardo -- do the math

May 14th, 2011
8:41 am

If you sign 22 and only have 15 available then that is over-signing.

Now listen to me very carefully and I will slowly spell it out for you.

M-E-D-I-C-A-L H-A-R-D-S-H-I-P

Ricardo do you finally understand? Or do you need to take a remedial general math course?

Ricardo

May 14th, 2011
8:46 am

RE: Hey Ricardo

Hey Ricardo. You seem to be a bit confused on the REAL numbers.

Quit drinking the Kool-aide. How many medical hardships has BAMA given since CNS arrived compared to the rest of the S.E.C.?
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The Numbers I provided on oversigning came straight from Rivals.com — a website that I would consider one of the best when it comes to college recruiting. You can check this information for yourself if you can rip yourself away from this blog long enough to get facts.

Also, the topic here was about oversigning, not medical hardships. But nice job trying to cloud the issue and get it away from the facts. Better luck next time.

trupert

May 14th, 2011
8:50 am

Ricardo, wake up because you can’t rely on those Alabama blogs for the truth.

Per Scout.com. the real numbers over the last four years.

Alabama UGA Fla

2011 23+1 + (24) (26) (19)

2010 (29) (19) (28)

2009 (27) (20) (16)

2008 (32) (23) (22)

Alabama has signed + 23 more than UGA and +26 more than FLA. That’s an entire recruiting class worth of players. Get the picture?

Country Boy

May 14th, 2011
8:53 am

Micheal – it would be an awesome read if you could interview a victim of oversigning and write about the experience he went thru. Yea it could be tough but I have faith in you.

Ricardo

May 14th, 2011
8:53 am

RE: Do the math

If you sign 22 and only have 15 available then that is over-signing.

Now listen to me very carefully and I will slowly spell it out for you.

M-E-D-I-C-A-L H-A-R-D-S-H-I-P

Ricardo do you finally understand? Or do you need to take a remedial general math course?

___________________________________________________________________________________

Wow, what an intelligent response. I understand quite well what oversigning is and what it is not. The purpose of my first post was to show facts on what true oversigning looks like. There are others that oversign much more than Saban does. But you would never know this based on the ignorant posts from earlier. After reading these early posts, you would think that Saban signs 50 players a year, brings them to campus and then has a tryout to get the best players on his team and away from other teams. This simply isn’t true and I backed up my words with FACTS.

Must make your mama proud. Or should i spell that slowly for you?

Michael Carvell

May 14th, 2011
8:55 am

@Country Boy, thanks for your post. Did you not see the link above about South Carolina and Lorenzo Mauldin? If not, here it is again …
http://blogs.ajc.com/recruiting/2011/03/21/lorenzo-mauldin-signs-with-louisville-puts-s-carolina-behind-him/

Phildo

May 14th, 2011
8:59 am

Key point. A scholarship covers only one year, with an unbinding implication by the school that they will honor or renew it for 3 or 4 more years, but it is still only a ONE year contract. Why, then, must a player be restricted by the NCAA about playing for another D-1 school with a one year sit-out requirement, or the SEC by a two year sit out requirement if he elects to transfer? The contract is up, over, done, finito, rendering the sit-out requirements as essentially what could be considered as an unlawful, unilateral restraint of trade. Take it another step. A talented, unsigned player walks on at a school. He spends his first year as a red-hirt and his second on the practice team, never playing a down. At this point realizes that he will never play in any meaningful capacity at this school, but sees a huge opportunity and another, even a rival school, but transferring requires that he sit out a year or two, by which time, as a good student, he will have graduated. He’s now toast, although in all fairness, he could still have two productive and meaningful years doing what he dreamed about and worked very hard to achieve. This is patently unfair, and the almighty, grubby NCAA is fostering this injustice. Sooner or later, someone is going to get wise and sue the NCAA over this, similar to the DOJ action regarding the phony-baloney BCS system.

BOOGIES THE MAN FROM HARTWELL GA

May 14th, 2011
9:00 am

You can thank lil ‘Stevie’ Superior for this being an issue.

He does this every year, like an over-zelious ,pompus greedy fool so as to deflect players who might want to also go elsewhere.

He is a punk,douch-bag who needs to be HEAVILY fined when he does it.

And, he does it EVERY year…..

A Lamecock at it’s best…………..

Jim 70

May 14th, 2011
9:01 am

if a school has 15 available scholarships available, for every signee over 15 they should designate a player on their team who ‘could’ lose their scholarship. This student/athletic would then be eligible to transfer at any time during the next year to another school without having to sit out a year – regardless of whether they eventually keep their scholarship.

This makes it fair to the student since they don’t have to do a last minute scramble trying to find a school (div-II) or losing a year.

Bama Fan#2

May 14th, 2011
9:02 am

Recruiting in college football or basketball is a dirty business these days and
to hear a coach tell the truth like Mark Richt is good to hear. Alabama football
is run by Nick Saban who I will say cuts some corners but you really never
hear any serious recruiting stories about cheating only if you live in Auburn.
There is a reason why Alabama oversigns some players is the education
system in the state of Alabama is not the best in the USA, the old saying
is thank god for Mississippi for being the 50th state in spending for education
and Alabama being 49th. RTR

Crimedog

May 14th, 2011
9:03 am

Richt may not “oversign” players, but he is the master of the double standard. He kicks a 4th stringer off the team for underaged drinking, but check out the rap sheet on Danell Ellerbe. Richt went to great lengths to keep Mettenburger and named him the starting QB until the sexual assault charges leaked and “panty man” and Adams stepped in.

trupert

May 14th, 2011
9:04 am

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703384204575509901468451306.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsForth#articleTabs%3Darticle

Ricardo, you won’t want to look at this link because it exposes Saban in his unethical methods with regards to M-E-D-I-C-A-L H-A-R-D-S-H-I-P-S.

Topp Dogg

May 14th, 2011
9:06 am

Ricardo did you sneek in over the border?

SickandTired

May 14th, 2011
9:12 am

Well i guess if you suck as a coach, gripe about the rules. If you suck as a coach, and want to keep your job, tell everybody the others are cheating. These kids know the deal, they know it when they have 5 hats on the table in front of them. A scholarship is a one year proposition and that’s the rule. There’s no rule against using the system to better your team. Georgia should either turn Sanford Stadium into a soccer venue, or hire a coach that is obsessed with his job and winning football games. Mark Richt is not that guy. Georgia should win national championships and there is no excuse for the lack of performance out of Mark Richt. Nice guy, just not up to the task.

Destin Dawg

May 14th, 2011
9:18 am

Mark Richt is a class act… hard to find these days… but you still need to WIN…. for the kids sake… this season’s schedule.. is doable… must WIn for kids and us fans… with more CMR… calling Offense… ( read less BoBo )… I think this will be a special season… Go Dawgs !!!!!

It Ain't Rocket Science

May 14th, 2011
9:26 am

Beast,
I and I am sure a lot of folks on these blogs just get tired of you running your mouth off about UGA. I don’t bother with UF most of the time, because truth be told, I don’t give a rats butt about them. You seem to be obsessed with putting down UGA, every chance you get. The only reason you ever comment is to say something negative about the DAWGS. What possible interest should you have about who UGA recruits except to add another of your dumb, negative comments about them. Stick to the subject and be objective one time. Might give people the impression that you are at least somewhat educated and mature. Kids make comments like you do. Try using some facts that are original and not just the rantings of a jealous person once in a while.

1eyedJack

May 14th, 2011
9:27 am

Bama sho ’nuff has a lot of 3rd stringers with career ending injuries. ;)