Can Tide put it all behind them?

By DARRYL MAXIE / dmaxie@ajc.com

Alabama coach Nick Saban said he’s glad the scandal that led to the school being placed on three years’ probation is over.

“First of all, I think the University of Alabama, Dr. (Robert) Witt, and Mal Moore did a great job of demonstrating institutional integrity in the way they handled this internally,” Saban told the Birmingham News. “I’m really happy for the players we have in the program that this won’t affect their future, nor will it affect the players we’re recruiting. We’re always happy to be moving on, and we’re looking forward to the future.

But Dothan Eagle columnist Ken Rogers isn’t sure the Tide can move on. An excerpt from his column follows:

Athletics director Mal Moore sounded the alarm — and practically begged for good behavior — in his brief comments about the sanctions.

“It is important that our fans and supporters understand this: the ruling does not hinder our efforts going forward in recruiting or in competition,” Moore said. “But the ruling is a clear reminder that we must maintain strict compliance with all NCAA regulations.”

There is already enough Internet and message board speculation to suggest that is going to be a tough task.

52 comments Add your comment

Otto

June 12th, 2009
8:32 am

Why wouldn’t he? Saban recruited well with what some hope would be the death penalty. It should be easie to get recruits now. Bama just has to keep the program clean and no further sanctions are given out.

Mikey

June 12th, 2009
8:34 am

Put it behind them ?
Everyone will see the pink elephant in the corner of the room but no one will say anything- hoping it will go away on its own.

Stinger

June 12th, 2009
8:55 am

They deserve the Death Penalty. They have always been cheaters and losers.

SEC fan

June 12th, 2009
8:55 am

Probation for 3 years means 1 mess-up and big trouble for the Tide program. Why would an intelligent recruit risk a career on some coach or overly enthusiastic booster doing the wrong thing? Too many good schools around where there are no dark clouds hanging overhead. Saban would like prospects to think it is over but it ain’t over for 3 years. Bama just can’t seem to go 3 years without someone breaking the rules.

Stinger

June 12th, 2009
9:07 am

I too am a loser. I just wish my wife wasn’t cheatin’.

Don't Tase Me Bro

June 12th, 2009
9:20 am

Another black eye for the SEC, thanks Bama.

Bama Boy

June 12th, 2009
9:30 am

If anyone thinks this kind of thing doesn’t exist on nearly every campus in the country, you are wearing blinders. Bama is simply held to a higher standard and everything that goes on is put under a microscope. This incident is just another reminder of this fact.

DawginLex

June 12th, 2009
9:31 am

Where is Bama stain with his bragging about all things Tide?

Ryno

June 12th, 2009
9:44 am

They were already on probation when this stuff happened, and they merely got a tiny slap on the wrist. The textbook thing is small, until you remember they were supposed to keep their noses completely and totally clean until probation was over. It was of course, for Bama, completely impossible. They will be on probation for 18 consecutive years when or if they get through this new period without committing even more stuff…like runners in Memphis helping out there.

Otto

June 12th, 2009
9:55 am

SEC fan. OU played in the BCS title game on probation last year. I don’t think it slowed that program down.

Nachos

June 12th, 2009
9:59 am

SEC Fan why all the hatred for Alabama? You need a xanax or something?

bammer

June 12th, 2009
10:25 am

What are the chances that this program will go through 3 years of probation without another violation and real sanctions?

How tight is the trip wire placed on this program for added violations? Any minor infractions? Excessive Boosterism?

What has Alabama been told on how far is too far over a 3 year probation period?

What are the chances that the current recruiting class will suffer from a loss of scholarships, making competitiveness difficult? What are the chances of them being impacted by loss of TV games? Loss of Bowl games?

Alabama’s track record, under probation, is not good.

The Ole Ball Coach

June 12th, 2009
10:27 am

I as a die hard Dawg fan respects Bama – not condoning this type of behavior but The NCAA is alot quicker in the Southeast and Southwest
than they are out west or north – I.E. USC & The OSU

Bamafan

June 12th, 2009
10:37 am

Bama needs to make AD Mal Moore to retire and hire a CEO type person who get rid of bad staff and
yes men from the Bryant’s days. My best friend has season tickets for bama games and to see all that money wasted going to see them play and the football victorys taken away is very sad. I love the
university and it is sad for all the fans and makes the SEC look like the old SWC back in 80’s.
ROLL TIDE FOLKS!!

BamaCLT

June 12th, 2009
10:47 am

Why, in the name of all that is holy and sacred, would the AJC let this be published. Seriously, this is neither thought provoking, or a quality comment. You can’t even begin to call this an article. With the Bush / Mayo investigation still at hand, and Meyer dealing with 24 arrests and players using credit cards of the deceased, why all of the focus on Alabama? Here’s a thought provoking reason for you: Because Alabama’s competition knows Alabama will win. Textbooks give zero competitive advantages to athletes. Now, the Albert Means / Memphis scandal was cheating. I admit that. But this? This is just a feeble attempt to bring down a historic program that’s on the rise. If you think things of a similar nature aren’t going on at your campus of choice, you’re sadly mistaken. The difference is, Alabama has a foe so formidable, said foe dedicates time, resources, and large sums of money to track Alabama’s every move. Whether it be Bobby Lowder, or millionaire alumni, there’s no shortage of Auburn fans that will stop at nothing to bring the University of Alabama down. That’s the real story.

Dawg Tired

June 12th, 2009
10:53 am

I find it difficult to understand just how you can totally prevent such conduct. As I read the NCAA report on this, it does appear that Alabama could have policed the situation more tightly. However, it is difficult to control these kids. The penalty of forfeiting wins seems a bit harsh to me. I tend to agree with the poster who said this type of thing happens on most campuses. This was self reported by UA according to the NCAA report I read. A total of about $21,000 in textbooks were intentionally obtained by athletes and given to other students. This was a over a fairly long period of time. Just seems blown out of porportion to me.

dap01

June 12th, 2009
10:53 am

How can the parents of a recruit want their child to go to a school that has been on probation for 18 straight years?

Very sad.

Mobillian

June 12th, 2009
10:54 am

NCAA: National Committee Against Alabama

gatorman770

June 12th, 2009
10:57 am

Just another example of the NCAAs lack of unifirm enforcement across the country. The ruling is a clear reminder that the SEC must maintain strict compliance with all NCAA regulations, but the PAC-10 (USC) don’t. It’s alright to supply luxurious housing for the momma of a USC athlete, but don’t let a SEC athlete give away FREE books to other students.

Mobillian

June 12th, 2009
11:01 am

The Ole Ball Coach is dead on. The West coast can’t win on the field against Southern teams so this is how they react. The NCAA is a bunch of ole Boys who couldn’t beat Bear then so this is their revenge.

How did the NCAA even get involved? They got their money returned. The actions of less than 1/2 % of the students should not reflect the positive actions of the rest.

Here is a position: if you are placed on probation you don’t pay your dues to the “all volunteer” NCAA until you are in their good graces again.

Better yet get rid of them until they can disseminate justice parallel to the US court system.

Nachos

June 12th, 2009
11:12 am

Does Gene Chizik still have a job?

FK UAT

June 12th, 2009
11:38 am

When the Gadsden stuff is out in the open soon then this will spell the end of uat football for the next decade or so just like Albert Means cost them the bult of the 2000’s.

Crank Dat Soulja Boy Noshow Moreno

June 12th, 2009
11:47 am

Bummer Bare

June 12th, 2009
12:42 pm

“Bare” Bryant’s a tyrant and The most Backward state’s only pro football team “Bummer Tusk R Loosers” clowns are the funniest speices.

carroll

June 12th, 2009
1:14 pm

you bama fans are LUCKY. Over $40K of illegally obtained benefits. abusing a benefit that results in illegally obtaining product or service is typically a crime. one kid getting extra books for a girlfriend deserves a slap on the wrist. a conspiracy involving more than 100 student/athletes deserves severe penalty under a “lack of institutional control” guise. oh but wait, we paid it back….several years later and only after getting caught. the almighty SEC gets off the hook again.

Bama Aaron

June 12th, 2009
1:34 pm

Amazes me the jealousy I see on this board. And don’t kid yourselves, that’s all it is. No matter what your pitiful little teams do they will never win the titles or have the name Alabama does.

tsmonk

June 12th, 2009
1:52 pm

From the article:

“There is already enough Internet and message board speculation to suggest that is going to be a tough task.”

Noooo, not internet and message board speculation! Anything but that!

Phillip

June 12th, 2009
2:36 pm

Gatorman70, good point. One thing about the Southeast is that we fight amongst ourselves without seeing that we are all being attacked by NCAA. USC and Ohio State are in a class by themselves when it comes to violations. If Alabama didn’t self-report and swept violation under the rug, you would’ve never heard about 2 of their 4 major violations.

Phillip

June 12th, 2009
2:42 pm

carroll, Alabama didn’t get caught. They found the mistake in the textbook distribution and self-reported violation. How many schools out there are not self-reporting?? I don’t know if I would, based on the fact that you are punished and branded a cheater.

UGA Fan

June 12th, 2009
2:44 pm

Bama Aaron, One name that I wouldn’t want to share with Alabama is being the most penalized team in the nation for the last 20-25 years but wait, that may be how they got all those titles!

Alphare

June 12th, 2009
3:02 pm

SEC should pull out of NCAA and form its own league. The NCAA is a bias bully against SEC. SEC doesn’t need NCAA to survive. But without SEC, NCAA would be nothing more than a laughable shell.

Bummer Bare

June 12th, 2009
3:32 pm

SEC SHOULD DECLARE THE FOR PROFIT STATUS. STOP HIDING BEHIND THE MASK AND DECLARE THAT TEAMS LIKE BUMMER ARE NOTHING BUT NFL’S FARM TEAMS.

I HEAR BANJOS WHEN YOU TYPE

June 12th, 2009
4:39 pm

YOU BACKWARD ARSS HICK’S FROM THE “DELIVERANCE STATE” ARE KILLIN’ ME!!! YOUR IGNORANT STATEMENT’S SHOW “WHY” YOUR STATE IS”DEAD LAST ” IN S.A.T. SCORE’S YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT!! YOUR JEALOUSY OF BAMA’S SUCCESS IS PATHETIC AT BEST!! ALL OF THIS MEAN AND VENOMOUS HATRED REEK’S OF NOTHING BUT PURE “FEAR” B/C IN THE NOT TO DISTANT FUTURE THE BAMA NATION WILL CELEBRATE ANOTHER CHAMPIONSHIP OR TWO,LIKE IT OR NOT!!! JUST KNOW THIS…NOT IN “YOUR LIFETIME’S” IN YOUR PATHETIC little world’s WILL “YOUR” TEAM HAVE AS MANY CHAMPIONSHIP’S AS MINE!!! SUCK IT!!!

Perspective

June 12th, 2009
7:24 pm

Winning cures all, like it or not..when you start winning and winning big everyone forgets about your mistakes.

Unfortunately, we prize winning over morale’s and values.

Nick Saban is an incredible coach and persuader. The tide has big day’s ahead of them as the gators currently do concluding the Tebow era.

As a dawg fan, I have much respect for any SEC program, student athlete or coach. It is easy to write in blogs when you directly connected to any program. Besides your annual attendance at the games.

Good luck to all your teams..time heals all wounds most of the time

Derrick

June 12th, 2009
10:28 pm

Perspective

June 12th, 2009
11:12 pm

A forked tongue has little to say when his work is done.

T-DAWG

June 13th, 2009
10:20 am

Bama Aron you are on crack!!!!!!!

Nachos

June 13th, 2009
10:49 am

Just a bunch of haters! UGAy and ALLBARN fans are just JEALOUS. cheers

20 Year Cheaters

June 13th, 2009
4:02 pm

Looks like Tidy fans paid off the NCAA again with 20 straight years of cheating and a slap on the wrist. Remember the last big cheating scandal at Cheater U. and they blamed P. Foolmore for catching them in a bald faced lie and turning them in,lol. Who are they blaming this time? The book store employee,lol,lol??

Satan Sabin talking about integrity is like Bill Clinton talking about his high morals,lol,lol!!!

obomaisaclown

June 13th, 2009
7:53 pm

WITH THINGS COMING OUT ABOUT THE CAR’S BEING BOUGHT FOR PLAYER AND ALL THE COVER UP WITH ALL THOSE CAR DISAPPEARING WHEN ALL THIS COMES OUT NCAA WILL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO HAVE A BIG TIME PENALTY ON THE BAMA PROGRAM. THIS PENALTY WAS SMALL BECAUSE NCAA WOULD HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO CLOSE THEM DOWN WHEN COMBINED WITH THE GASTON SITUATION. WORD IN ALABAMA IS SOME PLAYERS ARE HAVING SECOND THOUGHTS ON COMMITMENTS

globeflyer

June 13th, 2009
8:21 pm

As a Bama fan, I can assure “yall” that no one in the state is happy about this….A) That it happened, B) That UA didn’t police the situation better, or C) That we are on extended probation because of it. I can tell you this though, When it came to light that this had occurred, the University (Saban, Moore, etc.) notified the NCAA and they, the NCAA, later CLEARED the offending football players to continue playing during the season. What is wrong with this picture?? If they felt like there was anything of substance to it, why allow them to continue the season? If anybody thinks the SEC is not treated differently than, say, USC, then lets place a bet on when the picture becomes clear on the Reggie Bush/ House Rent/Pay to Play situation. And for those who think they are “in the know”…Gadsden is not spelled “Gaston” and let me know when you find where Saban has EVER been involved in a recruiting scandal…you know why? He doesn’t need it. I figure the only recruits having “second thoughts” are those who might be afraid of competition, because there will be plenty of it for playing time……

Bamafan

June 14th, 2009
6:32 am

To the Oboma hater and stupid Au fan, word is Auburn is in trouble out of Gadsen problem you say that Bama booster payed for a car for a bama recruit. The recruit’s mom taped the recruitment of the
cow college attempt to buy her sons college decision to go to Auburn. Operation Red Dog is going to
bite Auburn in the azzz for years to come!!

Dawgtime

June 14th, 2009
7:46 am

The truth is that all schools have bad apples that create problems because of their inflated egos. I have no doubt that Bama willl carry the trash out and clean up the program. You are talking about one of the elite programs in the country. Yes, I am a DAWG fan for life, but the other SEC schools are like family. We can fight, but everyone else needs to stay out of it. No conference is even close to the SEC. BAMA is a classy program that will put it behind them. Some of the posts on these blogs are pathetic.

Nachos

June 14th, 2009
8:20 am

pretty sad you barners only response is more accusations and lies. your all a bunch of douche bags and i dont like you.

p.s. your coach is gene “pop my colla” chizik. the end

obomaisaclown

June 14th, 2009
10:52 am

The ncaa moves slow and it appears they will move slow in second letter. Ncaa wanted to just keep the door open with probation so next probation they can say they did not have a choice. Car for player is not easy to cover when you are in a small town ncaa moves slow but they are sure, there is a reason Saban was not signed with buy out and that He moves around so much. ncaa slowly but sure, there is a reason they are still asking question, months ago we knew the first letter would only be the start of things to come. GO DAWGS, looks like bama uses that rules for radical playbook !

bee shabazz

June 14th, 2009
12:46 pm

To the Obamahater Auburn’s team is basically Ga. boys the Dawgs didn’t want and Alabama boys who were not good enough to get into Bama. If Bama is handing out cars or extra benefits it’s no surprise to me, it would take a BRINK’S truck full of money to get me to live in ALABAMA for 3 to 5 years.

brick

June 14th, 2009
1:44 pm

The thing that really upsets me is that Bama is saying none of the players received cash for the books. Anyone who isn’t naive enough to believe in Santa knows thats exactly what they were getting. Of course that isn’t an incentive, come to Bama, use your stipend to buy extra books and turn those books into cash you can use anyway you want. Student gets a book a few bucks cheaper than bookstore sells them, player gets some walking around cash and no one can trace the cash trail, IF everyone keeps quiet.

Silver Skillet

June 14th, 2009
7:45 pm

The University of Alabama has consistently been ranked among the nation’s top 50 public universities by U.S. News & World Report for the last several years. With seven USA Today Academic All-Americans this year, our six-year total of 31 tops all other colleges and universities.

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1244794507133970.xml&coll=2

The Capstone is in good hands now, as an alumni I have the utmost confidence in the integrity of the institution which is/has not been at risk for sometime now.

Case Closed.

Alabama Vs. Virginia Tech at the Dome in Atlanta Sept. 5th 2009

Black Out 2009

June 15th, 2009
2:51 pm

Dang, I guess Douche Bags really do pop the collar. Oh, well.

All you mutt fans with me about having a black out for the 2009 season? I’m think the Aubarn game. Those rednecks from the Plains wont know what him em when they come into Athens baby!!!!

Gooooooooooooooo Dawgs!!! Sic em! Black out 2009 baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crank Dat Soulja Boy Noshow Moreno

June 15th, 2009
2:59 pm

Black Out 2009 . AMEN TO THAT IDEA BROTHER!! any team who comes into A-town will know whats up. did u see espn said to look out for us??? 2008 preseason natilonal champions!! wooooooooooooo