Where Rivals, Scout rank Georgia’s top 2010 football prospects

Denzel McCoy picked Georgia Tech (AJC)

Denzel McCoy ranks higher on Rivals' list than Scout's. (AJC)

When it comes to ranking the nation’s top college football prospects, Rivals and Scout have established themselves as the authorities in the field. And, like any competing services, they beg to differ on exactly who ranks where.

A quick glance at both sites reveals some interesting discrepancies among where each recruiting news service ranks Georgia’s Class of 2010 top college football prospects in their polls.

Update: Thanks to astute AJC Recruiting reader mts315, who sent in a link to the Scout 300, we’ve updated the Scout.com list to include the actual numeric rankings for Georgia prospects among that service’s top 250 players.

Let’s look at the lists (and the differences)

THE RIVALS 250 – Ranked Georgia prospects

23. Markeith Ambles, Henry County High – McDonough. WR, 6-2/182

31. Alec Ogletree, Newnan High – Newnan. DB, 6-3/210

46. Mack Brown, M.L. King High – Lithonia. RB, 5-11/185

74. Garrison Smith, Douglass High – Atlanta. DE, 6-4/250

98. Da’Rick Rogers, Calhoun High – Calhoun. ATH, 6-3/206

101. Tai-ler Jones, Gainesville High – Gainesville. WR, 6-0/174

121. Jeffrey Whitaker, Warner Robins High – Warner Robins. DT, 6-3/285

149. JaWuan James, North Gwinnett High – Suwanee. OL, 6-6/293

163. Storm Johnson, Loganville High – Loganville. RB, 6-1/210

168. Denzel McCoy, Northview High – Duluth. DT, 6-4/275. Committed to Georgia Tech

178. Garry Peters, Heritage High – Conyers. DB, 6-0/173

180. Brian Vogler, Brookstone School – Columbus. TE, 6-7/242

191. Ryan Ayers, South Paulding High – Douglasville. DB, 5-10/175

206. Antonio Goodwin, Washington High – Atlanta. WR, 6-2/170

227. Barry Bostic, Jefferson County High – Louisville. ATH, 5-10/156

237. Anthony Williams, Union Grove High – McDonough. DE, 6-4/235

SCOUT.COM 300 – Ranked Georgia prospects

17. Alec Ogletree, Newnan High – Newnan. DB, 6-3/210

27. Garrison Smith, Douglass High – Atlanta. DE, 6-4/250

61. Markeith Ambles, Henry County High – McDonough. WR, 6-2/182

63. Mack Brown, M.L. King High – Lithonia. RB, 5-11/185

68. JaWuan James, North Gwinnett High – Suwanee. OL, 6-6/293

81. Tai-ler Jones, Gainesville High – Gainesville. WR, 6-0/174

103. Ryan Ayers, South Paulding High – Douglasville. DB, 5-10/175

196. Da’Rick Rogers, Calhoun High – Calhoun. ATH, 6-3/206

196. Jalen Fields, Dalton High – Dalton. DE, 6-5/245 Committed to Georgia

223. Jeffrey Whitaker, Warner Robins High – Warner Robins. DT, 6-3/285

233. Brian Vogler, Brookstone School – Columbus. TE, 6-7/242

240. Antonio Goodwin, Washington High – Atlanta. WR, 6-2/170

LET US KNOW: Do you put real stock in the Rivals or Scout prospect rankings? Which 2010 prospects do you feel are either overrated, underrated or rated just about right by either service?

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  • 21 comments Add your comment

    Update Information

    April 8th, 2009
    12:28 am

    Tai-Ler Jones is #81 on Scout

    fiasco007

    April 8th, 2009
    4:21 am

    Well according to Scout and Rivals, the majority of players on Utah’s team are 1-3 stars with the (rare) occasional 4 star in there. Ask Bama how well all their 4 and 5 star recruites did against those boys.

    UGASlobberknocker

    April 8th, 2009
    6:07 am

    fiasco is right. Same thing with Tech..they always get more out of less; and that was especially true when OLeary was there.

    The main difference is that while teams like that can win the occasional big game; they almost never have the depth or enough of the special playmakers to take them to the championship level. Kind of like the weaker teams in the NCAA tourney..they may pull off one or two upsets, but in the end they dont match up..same thing here. So while Utah may have beaten Bama last year, and Tech may surprise UGA 1 or 2 times a decade; if either had played in the SEC last year, Utah likely would have gone about 8-4 and gone to the Liberty Bowl. Tech, 6-6 and the Papa Johns bowl.

    Football Buff

    April 8th, 2009
    7:19 am

    I personally like the polls for the kid and getting them noticed. The problem I have is polls show a diffrent ranking every time you look at them.Garrison Smith from Douglass HS in Atlanta,Ga is clearly the best Defensive Lineman in the Nation. Earlier Scout had him ranked #2 in the country why did his rank change? What does the players have to do to ensure their ranking does not move a lot like Smith’s did. He went from #1 and #2 down to 31 and 74 this is crazy. Smith is the best DL in the country and he also has the offers from every major college to back it up. I wonder who is doing the actual eval and ranking the players.

    Mandi Albright

    April 8th, 2009
    7:57 am

    Update Information — Here’s how we got our numbers on the Scout.com national list. Since Scout doesn’t post actual numbers, as Rivals does, we just counted where Georgia prospects fell on their overall 2010 national list. The Scout.com website lists 40 prospects per page and, by our count (we double-checked), Tai-ler Jones doesn’t come in at #81 on that list; Victor Hampton, a CB out of Charlotte NC, is listed 81st. Tai-ler Jones is listed 135th. As we said in our disclaimer, we’re not stating that our numeric count of where Georgia propects fall on the Scout.com list is any actual ranking by Scout; we’re just pointing out where they’re listed overall among the nation’s other top-rated prospects on that particular database.

    But can you tell us where you come up with Jones being ranked 81st by Scout? We’re intrigued. Thanks.

    FYI, this is why we asked for your opinion of the main recruiting services’ rankings systems – whether you put stock in them or not. Looks like a lot of cooks in the kitchen stirring a lot of pots. Still, it’s always a fun subject for debate so please continue to have at it.

    Football Buff — I like where you’re going with what you said. I’ll ask Michael Carvell if there’s an “Inside College Recruiting” blog in there somewhere about how the rankings services actually come up with the rankings, what it all means and if, in the end, any of it matters.

    Great points, everyone. We look forward to hearing lots more from you on this.

    Voice of Reason

    April 8th, 2009
    9:03 am

    once offers start coming in the rankings will change… it is obvious that rivals and scout grade a player from how many offers they have and who they have offers from. If you get an offer from USC or Ohio State, these guys automatically give you an extra “star”

    mts315

    April 8th, 2009
    9:18 am

    Here is the link for the Scout 300…

    http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=4&pid=88&yr=2010

    This is the nuemeric rating in order for the top 300 players according to Scout. The place the AJC looked was the main recruiting rankings which list all the #1’s by position then the #2’s by position, this has thrown off their scout rankings.

    Also, Garrison Smith was never ranked the #2 player in the country he was and still is rated the #2 DT in the country he is the #2 player at his position not the #2 out of all positions.

    reality check

    April 8th, 2009
    11:38 am

    5 years from now a lot of these guys who are listed as world beaters will not have played a down of college football and guys Scout and Rivals have never heard of will be All Americans and/or heading to the pros. In fact, the majority of the players drafted in the first three rounds in the NFL never make it to the Rivals or Scout lists. It beats me why anyone would call them authorities.

    Mandi Albright

    April 8th, 2009
    12:38 pm

    Thanks, mts315 – That link you posted actually is a big help. We’ll take a second look using your listing and re-work what we’ve written. Again, we’re just doing a general comparison of the two main services. We’re not looking to say one is better than the other or judge any prospects by either service’s ratings. Just thought the topic was intriguing.

    Mandi Albright

    April 8th, 2009
    12:59 pm

    Folks, I just updated the blog w/the new Scout 300 info provided by mts315. Lots of the same names but a few notable differences.

    Voice of Reason

    April 8th, 2009
    1:39 pm

    “In fact, the majority of the players drafted in the first three rounds in the NFL never make it to the Rivals or Scout lists.”

    Please show me those statistics, or did you just make that up? Actually I will settle for you naming just 4 projected 1st rounders for this year that were not on rivals or scout.

    Bubblehead

    April 8th, 2009
    11:49 pm

    “Please show me those statistics, or did you just make that up? Actually I will settle for you naming just 4 projected 1st rounders for this year that were not on rivals or scout.”

    That statement wasn’t true at all, I’ve looked it up for a couple of different drafts. I’d say 1st rounders are generally 4 stars or greater going into the draft, but there are exceptions. Generally the players along the offensive and defensive lines have the greatest number of “misses” by the recruiting services.

    Just off the top of my head Andre Smith, Stafford, Derrick Williams, Mohomed Massoqoui, Asher Allen, Knowshon, Eugene Monroe, Percy Harvin, and Sanchez where all 4 or 5 star recruits coming out of high school and all will be selected by the end of the third round.

    TJ

    April 9th, 2009
    8:50 am

    Why is Grayson Rams getting overlooked? The reason thay have been very deep in the playoffs is because of 3 players who will be Seniors next year and are getting offers left and right. They are Ean Pemberton, Joseph Champaign, and Shawn Green. Champaign has an offer from Stanford. Green is juggling offers and am not sure of schools. Pemberton has been leading rusher last 2 years. Think he had over 1,900 yards last year and was looked at by Georgia Tech. Think schools are gun shy on his size but he seems to make it happen anyways. Some school will figure out he is all that and a bag of chips. Wake up AJC, report on these guys.

    Doc

    April 9th, 2009
    11:54 am

    I have enough sense to know that Rivals and Scout repeat the same company line over and over. They gather from each other and they keep that going 365 days a year. However if a kid where to not improve from one year to the next or if he just happen to have a great day or bad day at their combines they would continue to repeat the company line. If you are not on their radar by your sophomore year you might as well forget getting any real press or especially a “rating”. It is as if you did not exsist. They have a right to report on recruiting any way they want however, it is the evaluation or lack thereof that is frusturating. More important, the influence of what they say can have an unbelievable impact on a kids future right or wrong. Others are influenced by what they write and say(including ratings and lists)then base their decisions on this information. Most will believe what they read from these folks (just ask the ajc). They have no sense of this impact except they like the part where thoes they’ve “chosen” makes them look good. The list is pretty close but it is a hugh work in progress and not near as accurate as it should be. Everyone can have an opinion. Just remember the list is one man’s or maybe (3or4’s) opinion. Doc

    follow the money trail

    April 9th, 2009
    12:22 pm

    Enter your comments here

    follow the money trail

    April 9th, 2009
    12:25 pm

    Once the “number one” player at his position commits, the recruiting services immediately pick a new “number one” to get more subscribers and drama. Alot of bs!

    Really?

    April 9th, 2009
    9:08 pm

    Those that think Tech would have been a mid level SEC team seem to forget that the SEC was weaker than normal last year. SO, Tech likely would have done about as well as they did in the ACC, or maybe even better. Tech was better than everyone save LSU (although with only one week or prep time, the game likely would have had a different outcome, maybe not a win, but not a blowout), Alabama, and Florida. Beyond that, Tech would have done just fine. Be realistic…

    CPJ does less with more regardless of where he is. GSU, Hawaii, Navy, now Tech. He was brought in to win NATIONAL Championships… He knows that, and the Tech Fan base knows it, and now the recruits know it.

    Well...

    April 10th, 2009
    5:29 pm

    Paul Johnson was never at Hawai’i..

    john

    April 10th, 2009
    7:06 pm

    How do peachtree ridge and camden county not have anyone on here!?

    mike addington

    April 10th, 2009
    7:54 pm

    Personally, I had a great time watching Ben Jones stand up Alabama’s much publicized nose tackle in last year’s Georgia game. I think Ben was a 3 star at best but he did a heck of a job that day. Too bad that very few others did.

    Big Bee

    April 11th, 2009
    10:49 am

    Well, CPJ was at Hawaii, as offenseive cordinator, that was a team that used the run and shoot. He is pretty well versed in that also.