Debt-ceiling measure clears; Phil Gingrey shifts to ‘no’

WASHINGTON — The U.S. House this afternoon passed a measure to put off hitting the nation’s borrowing limit until May 18. More background from today’s paper is here.

Most of Georgia’s delegation supported the proposal — which also withholds senators’ paychecks after April 15 if they do not pass a budget — with the following members voting no (full results here): Democrats John Barrow of Augusta and Hank Johnson of DeKalb County; Republicans Paul Broun of Athens, Doug Collins of Gainesville and Phil Gingrey of Marietta.

Gingrey’s position on the matter has shifted in the last couple of days. At the Georgia Society gala in Washington on Sunday night, he told the AJC, “I think it’s a good plan,” and described the wisdom in his eyes of “resequencing” fiscal fights – putting March’s across-the-board “sequester” cuts and expiration of federal funding for the year ahead of the debt ceiling deadline. He added, in reference to the no-budget-no-pay part of the bill: “You absolutely force the Senate after four years to come up with a budget resolution. I think it is a great thing. That’s the only way you can get back to fiscal sanity. So I’m real pleased with that.”

But by this morning, Gingrey’s tune has changed. Via a spokeswoman, he offered this:

“Holding Senate Democrats’ feet to the fire by insisting they pass a budget at the risk of losing their pay is a good idea. However, while it is a step in the right direction, it does not address the root of the problem. I cannot support legislation to increase the debt ceiling that does not address spending, adds to the federal deficit, and fails to limit the amount of money President Obama may borrow. While I’m optimistic that Republicans’ long-term goal of balancing the budget can be reached, we must take every opportunity in the meantime to drastically reduce runaway government spending.”

Republican Rep. Tom Graves of Ranger was a somewhat surprising “yes” on the bill, and the subsequent statement released by his office doesn’t mention the debt ceiling at all:

“I am committed to balancing the budget and forcing the government to operate within its means. We cannot allow Washington to continue dragging down our economy and sidelining jobs that our communities need.

“The first step in that process is forcing the Senate to follow the law and pass a budget, which they have failed to do for almost four years. In the House, we will again put forward a bold vision for the country, which will include tax, spending and entitlement reform. Our goal is to balance the budget in ten years.

“If the Senate again fails to pass a budget, they will have their pay withheld. No budget, no pay. The American people expect and deserve that kind of accountability.”

- By Daniel Malloy, Political Insider

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45 comments Add your comment

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

January 23rd, 2013
2:20 pm

Gingrey has two sides on his mouth just like obozo does.

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

January 23rd, 2013
2:24 pm

Up to the ceiling and over the cliff, our resolutions have been sequestered, our debt limit has been stop gapped, but there is nothing discretionary about the baseline for it shall be automatic once that paycheck no longer shows up.

See, there is a method to the madness.

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

January 23rd, 2013
2:30 pm

Old McPinko had farm, e i e i o

And on that farm he had some pigs, e i e i o

With a pork pork here and a pork pork there, here a pork, there a pork, everywhere a pork pork

Old McPinko had a farm, e i e i o

Dr. Love

January 23rd, 2013
2:39 pm

Three in a roe and off to the crazy farm you go. Never tire of seeing yourself in print do ya? It’s as meaningless as a post from me.

Andy

January 23rd, 2013
2:40 pm

How can anyone with an IQ over 80 not agree that DC is circling the bottom of the toilet?

Kris

January 23rd, 2013
2:46 pm

Tom Graves was a somewhat surprising “yes” on the bill.
“I am committed to balancing.”
I guess he needs his paycheck…But let the American people suffer…
I wish Graves was as committed to pay back his 1.2 million loan.

They should garnish 100% of Rogers (now that chipper has a blood money job, and Graves.
In the mean time I have Question for Graves, where can I get a loan for 1.2 million. You know the kind you do not have to pay back

If the Senate again fails to pass a budget, they will have their pay withheld.
No budget, no pay. The American people expect and deserve that kind of accountability.

To the following fools Next election 2014, hope if your in it you get DEFEATD
Democrats John Barrow of Augusta and Hank Johnson of DeKalb County; Republicans Paul Broun of Athens, Doug Collins of Gainesville and Phil Gingrey of Marietta.

Nut jobs of a feather flock together…. Just sayin.
God Bless America. God Bless President Barrack Obama.
By Shady Dealer 2014
Biden/Clinton (pick a Clinton 2016

DEAinATL

January 23rd, 2013
3:03 pm

All the Bush tax cuts should be rolled back. That’d go a long way to returning us to the Clinton years of budget surplus. You want it (and you do) you gotta pay for it.

Retired Soldier

January 23rd, 2013
3:07 pm

Again Congress punts on reducing our out of control spending. When will they learn? Maybe if we sent them packing we would finally have a Congress that reduces spending to a balanced budget.

DEA-

I would agree with you only after we balanced the budget through cuts. Then that money would go to begin repaying the national debt.

JDW

January 23rd, 2013
3:12 pm

“The first step in that process is forcing the Senate to follow the law and pass a budget, which they have failed to do for almost four years.”

O’ the humanity and gnashing of teeth…what the GOP fails to mention is that this is nothing new. In fact in happened in fiscal years1999, 2003, 2005 and 2007. On three of those four occasions the GOP controlled BOTH the Senate and House. Maybe a better way to put it is that in the last 13 years a budget has been passed 6 times.

Retired Soldier

January 23rd, 2013
3:20 pm

JDW-

What the heck, we are spending ourselves into the deep black hole. 1.2 trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see. Let’s do away with budgets, they mean little and arem’t followed anyway.

But you do a good job of justifying bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. is that what you taught your children? Keep up the good work.

MoFaux

January 23rd, 2013
3:21 pm

Retired Soldier: If we could slash Defense spending significantly, that might be about all that is needed over time. There is no reason why we need an army that is larger than the next ten countries combined. No reason at all. I’m not saying other fat shouldn’t also be trimmed, but most of the fat is in our Defense budget imo. Too bad that is a sacred cow to most Republicans.

Retired Soldier

January 23rd, 2013
3:36 pm

MO-

I question your figures, much of China’s miltary spending is not in their military budget. That said, I agree Defense could be reduced and reduced greatly. But remember providing for the common defense is one of the tasks found in the Constitution.

We should also eliminate Energy, Education, Homeland Security, EPA, Czars, Obamacare, extend ages for social security and means test medicare and lifetime limit medicaid.

What do you think MO?

Marlboro Man

January 23rd, 2013
3:59 pm

Was is a legitimate vote ?

RGB

January 23rd, 2013
4:07 pm

“All the Bush tax cuts should be rolled back. That’d go a long way to returning us to the Clinton years of budget surplus. ”

Seriously?

Are you unaware that under Clinton, the federal government’s share of GDP was about 18%. Now it’s about 23%.

Spending is the problem. Obama said deficits were unpatriotic when he was a presidential candidate.

Now the Zero believe that excess spending should continue until the deficits disappear. He truly wants this country to crash and burn. With the help of all those who voted for him, he’ll get his heart’s desire.

MoFaux

January 23rd, 2013
4:09 pm

Retired Soldier: I’m not afraid of China invading us. I’m not advocating us being defenseless, but right now we are at ultra paranoid levels of defense spending, as if an alien invasion were imminent.

As with ALL gov’t agencies, improvements can almost always be made, in every facet. But, elminating them altogether? No thanks. Although EPA has its problems, they do serve a purpose. There has to be a way to regulate without either OVER-regulating to death or just not at all. I don’t trust corporations to not pollute at will. I do agree with eliminating Obamacare…but replacing it with a single payer system. Republicans and wussy Democrats watered it down so much, and I think that is a shame. I doubt you agree with me there. I guess socialism is only good enough for our military huh? I’m sure you loved it, or more likely, are still loving it. I also agree with you on SS age going up and Homeland Security could probably be consolidated into another agency.

dood

January 23rd, 2013
4:11 pm

Keep on kicking the problem down the road. It’s like paying the bare minimum on your CC – eventually you are completely screwed!

joe m

January 23rd, 2013
4:22 pm

Enter your comments here
GOP are pathetic hypocrites, debt ceiling raised 7 times under moron George W and an astonishing 18 times under St. Ronnie.

David Farrar

January 23rd, 2013
4:27 pm

The House should pass a budget as soon as possible and send it over to the Senate.

ex animo
davidfarrar

dood

January 23rd, 2013
4:29 pm

Joe M, let it goooo, bro. the GOP and the Dems are both to blame here, and your guy Obama said when he was running for prez that raising the debt limit was “unpatriotic”- yet here he is with his job secure, doing whatever it takes to avoid cutting spending. Here’s the deal in simple and straight talk- we spend a whole bunch more than we take in, and we’re not making ANY adjustments to stop. If you ran your own house like this you’d be on the street or back living with mom and pop.

Retired Soldier

January 23rd, 2013
4:29 pm

Mo-

Your guy has been president for four years, obviously he wants those levels. To bad you aren’t serious about other cuts/reductions.

joe m-

Does that include Obama, he voted against raising the debt ceiling in the Senate? Just wondering.

Shine

January 23rd, 2013
4:32 pm

The “King” House knows it cant not pay the Senate. Whata waste of ink.

Cosby

January 23rd, 2013
4:37 pm

Who voted and who didn’t who changed their minds who cares…the house kicked the can down the road once again….wish I could do that with my personal finances…4 years of breaking the law and Prince Harry, not to be confused with king Obama, continues to break the law and nothing is done..time to send him to the big house. revise the tax code…no mention of Fair Tax..but that takes away power from the elite in DC…The Kings daughters in $300.00+ dreses while I am going broke..yep we are headed in the right direction!!!

Retired Soldier

January 23rd, 2013
4:39 pm

Amen Cosby, preach on brother!

David Farrar

January 23rd, 2013
4:41 pm

The House should pass a budget that will balance the federal books in a decade, and send it over to the Senate.

ex animo
davidfarrar

Fred ™

January 23rd, 2013
4:42 pm

Retired Soldier

January 23rd, 2013
3:07 pm

Again Congress punts on reducing our out of control spending. When will they learn? Maybe if we sent them packing we would finally have a Congress that reduces spending to a balanced budget.

DEA-

I would agree with you only after we balanced the budget through cuts. Then that money would go to begin repaying the national debt.
++++++++++++++++

How about we start with cutting your military retirement and benefits?

Retired Soldier

January 23rd, 2013
4:45 pm

Sure Fred, but only if it is part of a real balanced budget and real reduction in the debt, I’m in. What will you give up that you earned?

Roekest

January 23rd, 2013
4:55 pm

You people want real change?

Vote Libertarian.

Quit betting on the lame horses that have let you down year-after-year. Yeah, it’s a gamble to usher in a new party, but anything has to be better than the current crop of losers (right and left both) that have bankrupted our great country.

William Smith

January 23rd, 2013
4:57 pm

I like all the spending cut talk. The spending cut talk is popular because it hasn’t happened yet. Let’s wait an see if they are as popular when people lose jobs because of the cuts. Defense spending needs to be cut, and that will affect communities all across the country. Cuts in Medicare, Medicaid will affect many hospitals and force them to cut staff. Cuts in education will mean less teachers and less money for already suffering college students. I believe we do need cuts but we should think how to do this in the best possible way, and not just blast with a shotgun and kill everything in the way. The storm Sandy best describes the shotgun approach. People with no food, or shelter told to go fly a kite until we cut other expenses. If a tragic storm ever hits Atlanta or anywhere in Georgia I will supply the string for the kites.

majii

January 23rd, 2013
5:05 pm

As a retired high school teacher who taught U.S. History, civics, and economics for 33 years, I continue to be amazed at Americans who buy into the spin that an American president has the power to borrow and spend at will. Nope, Article I of the U.S. Constitution grants only Congress the power to borrow and spend on our behalf. When members of Congress claim that any president is “spending” or “borrowing” us into debt, he/she is lying. Every penny that the U.S. government borrows or spends is approved by Congress. Those who make this fallacious claim do it to deflect blame from their own role in our high deficit and national debt. They’re behaving as if they had nothing to do with our fiscal problems, but the reality is that, according to the Constitution, they’re the ones who voted for the spending/borrowing. They remind me of a little kid who steals a cookie from the cookie jar, and when mom asks who did it, they say, “It wasn’t me!”–all while knowing they are guilty. The only reason these politicians can get away with lying to us is because they depend on millions of Americans NOT knowing/caring what the Constitution says about which branch of government is solely responsible for borrowing/spending. It’s Congress, and it has always been Congress since March 4,1789, when the Constitution first went into effect.

“Congress’s legislative powers are enumerated in Section Eight: “The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defence[note 1] and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow Money on the credit of the United States; o coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures…” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution

“The clause also implicitly requires Congress to maintain the public credit. The Supreme Court has invoked the clause in treating the government like a private party in its contractual dealings and in vesting Congress with the power to contract against subsequent repudiation or impairment of its obligations by future Congresses even in the exercise of independent substantive powers authorized under the Constitution.”
http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/1/essays/36/borrowing-clause

honested

January 23rd, 2013
5:07 pm

I thought NO was the only way gingrey knew how to vote.

honested

January 23rd, 2013
5:10 pm

voter libertoonian,…..and see just how bad things can get.

PR

January 23rd, 2013
5:13 pm

Gingrey is a f@cking idiot. He’s on the take from the extreme right and wants to screw the little guy. We need to stop all congressional pay until the clowns do some work. I paid for my social security and medicare…leave your hands off them! Stop congress from giving all our money to foreign countries.

LewBeeBee

January 23rd, 2013
5:26 pm

Gingrey sounds just like he did on the rape issue. He’s an idiot!

FBYJ

January 23rd, 2013
5:30 pm

@PR … I hate to tell you, but you’re misinformed if you think you paid for your Medicare coverage. While it’s true that your Social Security contributions (along with those of your employers) will likely cover your expected benefits, your Medicare contributions (if they are like the majority) will not come CLOSE to paying for your expected benefits. That’s one of the biggest problems with the whole budget debacle. People wrongly assume that “because I’ve paid my fair share, I shouldn’t have any benefit reductions”. In fact, if Medicare were managed as a private insurance fund, your premiums would triple! The only way to make this program solvent is to either increase premiums substantially, reduce benefits to everyone, or delay the starting age for benefit eligibility (or some combination of the three).

Bobby

January 23rd, 2013
5:32 pm

Of course Gingrey voted no. But truth of the matter is he has no alternatives. He does not have the best interest of the U.S. or even his constituents in mind. The man is a raving lunatic. I guess we should thankful he no longer practices women’s health.

Puerile Pedant

January 23rd, 2013
5:34 pm

Yeah — that clean water and air nonsense is overhyped.

You don’t see China spending any $$$$ on such nonsense as safe water and clean air.

Elimnate the EPA and all of the funding they pass through to the states for their programs. Those state and federal employees are as worthless as mammary glands on a motorcycle.

Let the market decide.

Colonel Jack

January 23rd, 2013
5:40 pm

Someone needs to tell Congressman Gingrey that the President doesn’t have the authority to borrow money. That power belongs to Congress. Read the Constitution, specifically Article I.

Ol' Timer

January 23rd, 2013
5:55 pm

Looks like the Georgia Congressional delegation has its fair share of idiots. So what does that make the people who voted for them? Partisan idiots of a greater magnitude?

Synonymous

January 23rd, 2013
6:02 pm

Please Phil – just retire already. You’re starting to get senile.

dood

January 23rd, 2013
6:04 pm

William Smith has good points on the economic impacts of all the cuts talk, and those are some areas that need a little housecleaning anyway.
Ideally it would be nice to see much less involvement with the middle east, cut back programs like long term unemployment and long term welfare, and – OK I’m going to say it here and piss off a bunch, but if we could sterilize people with 4-5 kids and more on the way, or we take away welfare, the whole welfare program would cure itself in about two generations.
No, I am not racist- I’m the other R word – realist.

RGB

January 23rd, 2013
6:21 pm

Many of you effectively state that you hate Gingrey.

He says he wants the federal government to command less of the economy so that we don’t crash like Greece and much of Western Europe.

So what is your plan? What do you propose?

If not this, what? If not now, when?

Corey

January 23rd, 2013
6:54 pm

@majii

January 23rd, 2013
5:05 pm

Thanks, but some people here will just ignore you because it does not serve their political leanings nor fit into their tidy worldview. They worship at the altar of disinformation and sheer ignorance as long as they believe their party is racking up political points. Raising the debt ceiling is how we pay our bills. Paying the nation’s bills is the responsibility of Congress. If they are derelict in their duties they should be shown the door, but they rely on the ignorance of the populace and the cheerleading of the talking heads on cable TV. Nerver in the history of this nation has raising the debt ceiling been an issue. Most probably never heard of it because it was never newsworthy. It has suddenly become fashionalbe for the people who are responsible for doing nation’s business to turn everything into a spectacle. I do not know whether to laugh or cry.

S

January 23rd, 2013
7:06 pm

Thank you Majii..finally someone saying who is actually responsible for spending. Congress. Congress in the last 30 years has spent us into oblivion. Both parties are going to have to come up with a way to fix our debt created by mostly Republicans. I’ll know Congress is serious when they starting cutting a bloated Military, a Military that could blow up the World ten times over, get rid of Oil subsidies to the tune of $10 billion and indirectly $52 billion, Farm subsidies and any other subsides that go to very wealthy Corporations that have the means to take care of themselves. Close loopholes to Corporations that lets them hide money(Trillions of $’s) offshore that they don’t pay taxes on, close loopholes for people like Mitt Romney who “legally” hide money offshore so they don’t have to pay their fair share of Taxes. When they get serious about these cuts above then and only then should they start asking the American People to make sacrifices.

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