Your daily jolt: Gingrey open to limits on mag clips, says Todd Akin was ‘partly right’

Schmoozing with constituents in Smyrna on Thursday, U.S. Rep. Phil Gingrey, R-Marietta, had already made news when he said that he was open to some new restrictions on firearms. From the first five paragraphs written by Jon Gillooly of the Marietta Daily Journal:

“There are some problems, and maybe these huge magazines even for someone who says, ‘look, I just use an AR-15 for target practice,’ but do you really need to be standing there shooting at a silhouette a shot a second or even quicker with that kind of weapon? For what purpose?” Gingrey asked. “I would be willing to listen to the possibility of the capacity of a magazine.”

Gingrey, who took the time to praise Adventure Outdoors owner Jay Wallace as the gold standard for running a responsible gun retail business, said he is also open to revisions of the so-called gun show loophole.

But then the Marietta congressman decided to wax eloquent on the most egregious Republican misstep of 2012 – the concept of “legitimate rape.” Gingrey said today that his remarks have been misconstrued, but you can listen to the audio provided by Gillooly:

Said Gingrey, in Gillooly’s piece:

“And in Missouri, Todd Akin … was asked by a local news source about rape and he said, ‘Look, in a legitimate rape situation’ — and what he meant by legitimate rape was just look, someone can say I was raped: a scared-to-death 15-year-old that becomes impregnated by her boyfriend and then has to tell her parents, that’s pretty tough and might on some occasion say, ‘Hey, I was raped.’ That’s what he meant when he said legitimate rape versus non-legitimate rape. I don’t find anything so horrible about that. But then he went on and said that in a situation of rape, of a legitimate rape, a woman’s body has a way of shutting down so the pregnancy would not occur. He’s partly right on that.”

Gingrey pointed out that he had been an OB-GYN since 1975.

“And I’ve delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things. It is true. We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, ‘Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don’t be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.’ So he was partially right wasn’t he? But the fact that a woman may have already ovulated 12 hours before she is raped, you’re not going to prevent a pregnancy there by a woman’s body shutting anything down because the horse has already left the barn, so to speak. And yet the media took that and tore it apart.”

Gingrey’s office this morning offered additional commentary. On the congressman’s comments about Akin:

“At a breakfast yesterday morning, I was asked why Democrats made abortion a central theme of the presidential campaign. I do not defend, nor do I stand by, the remarks made by Rep. Akin and Mr. Mourdock. In my attempt to provide context as to what I presumed they meant, my position was misconstrued.”

On firearm restrictions:

“As a father and grandfather, I am heartbroken at the tragedy in Newtown. No parent, child, or community should have to suffer such devastation and overwhelming grief. At the same time, as we begin a national dialogue on how to prevent future tragedies, it is of paramount importance to defend our Second Amendment rights. Throughout my political career, I’ve been a tireless advocate of Second Amendment rights and will continue to be one moving forward.”

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House Speaker David Ralston didn’t sound like he’s willing to consider any gun restrictions, given these remarks to Scott Slade of AM750 and 95.5FM News/Talk WSB:

”Those who would advocate for control on guns and would restrict Second Amendment rights, I think have inappropriately capitalized on a horrific tragedy up in Newtown, Conn….

“If we take anything out of the Newtown tragedy, I think we ought to take a look at how we handle mental illness in our society. That seems to get lost in the discussion by those who want to use this to promote their anti-gun agenda.”

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Georgia Right to Life on Thursday named Mike Griffin, a Hartwell pastor, as the organization’s vice president.

Griffin has long been associated with GRTL, but the promotion means he’ll be back at the Capitol as a lobbyist on Monday, when the 2013 session of the Georgia General Assembly begins. From the press release:

In his new role, Griffin will spearhead the organization’s legislative activities, which include establishing “personhood” protection for all innocent life from conception until natural death.

“I am looking forward to working with Dan Becker and the Board,” Griffin said. “And that work will be to continue to promote a “personhood” approach to Georgia Right to Life’s education, legislation and political action.”

Consider Griffin’s appointment to be a signal to the Legislature that GRTL, the most aggressive of pro-life organizations at the Gold Dome, has no intention of changing its stripes.

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In the matter of the Rev. Louie Giglio and his withdrawal from the presidential inauguration program because of his 20-year-old remarks on homosexuality, the Christian Post offers this quote from Ed Stetzer, president of Lifeway Research:

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“This Louie Giglio Moment, and the Chick-Fil-A moment that preceded it, and the Rick Warren moment which preceded that, raise the question: Where do people of faith with long-standing traditional religious/scriptural convictions go from here?”

But Giglio and Chick-Fil-A may share more than a commitment to faith and views on homosexuality. We haven’t confirmed it with the company, but friends of Giglio tell us that his dad, Louie Floyd Giglio Jr., was a graphic designer who had a hand in developing the Chick-Fil-A swirly logo.

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A Politico.com piece on the shaky future of the tea party includes these paragraphs:

The tea party “is in disarray,” said Erick Erickson, the editor of RedState, a blog that helped crystallize the fiscally conservative ethos of the populist movement. Going forward, tea partiers will “either be within the conservative movement as part of that movement or they won’t be effective.”

Polls have shown Americans turning away from the tea party: 24 percent of likely voters considered themselves tea party members in April 2010, according to a Rasmussen survey. Now, only 8 percent say they’re tea party members.

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Yes, “Lincoln” dominated those Oscar nominations that were released on Thursday. But politicos have their own Oscars – the Reed Awards sponsored by Campaigns & Elections magazine. And Georgia’s 2012 campaigners are finalists in several categories:

Best Use of Voice-Over Talent: Lee Anderson for Congress, The Strategy Group for Media, for its video depicting a “Bromance” between President Barack Obama and U.S. Rep. John Barrow, D-Augusta.

Mail: Independent Expenditure Campaign or Issue Advocacy: The Democratic campaign against state Rep. Doug McKillip, R-Athens, Mad Dog Mail, for a flyer comparing McKillip to a diaper in need of changing.

Best Radio Ad: Two ads by Franklin Communications/Peachtree Battle Group – “Dumb,” a turn-out spot for Black Men Vote; and “Obama Likes Charter Schools,” aimed at African-American voters in the November charter school campaign.

Toughest Radio Ad: A turnout spot by Franklin Communications/Peachtree Battle Group for Better Georgia, titled “Are There Any Patriots…”

Most Original/Innovative Collateral Item: John Lewis for Congress, for that campaign’s fund-raising decision to put a mugshot of Lewis after a Civil Rights-era arrest on T-shirts and posters.

Winners will be announced in Washington on Feb. 1.

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The AJC’s Politifact Georgia today takes a look at U.S. Rep. Tom Price’s claim that this month’s fiscal cliff deal “ultimately raised taxes.”

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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164 comments Add your comment

DJ Sniper

January 11th, 2013
10:43 am

Dear Republicans: When it comes to the topic of rape, please STFU. Stop trying to come up with different classifications. Rape is rape, and leave it at that.

It cracks me up whenever neo-cons blame Democrats for making abortion a central campaign theme. Last time I checked, it was the GOP that passed or tried to pass wave after wave of abortion legislation.

DJ Sniper

January 11th, 2013
10:46 am

Also, the demise of the Tea Party can’t come fast enough. I’m sure that there are some people within the party that have some good ideas, but sadly, the extremists and whackjobs have taken over.

ola

January 11th, 2013
10:48 am

Gingrey needs to go back to delivering babies as he does not know how the country should be governed.

J Throckmorton Malcontent

January 11th, 2013
10:49 am

Calling Dr.Howard, Dr.Fine, Dr.Howard, come to the Georgia Delegation Clue Phone, please…

Robert

January 11th, 2013
10:51 am

DJ Sniper,

You entirely missed the point: many women claim “rape” when in fact they consented. That’s not a legitimate rape, that’s a false claim. For example, the Duke lacrosse case.

So STFU with your one-size-fits-all-we-are-not-allowed-to-think answer.

ClydeFr0g

January 11th, 2013
10:51 am

Rep. Phil Gingrey,

Please show me in the Second Amendment where it mentions “target shooting”.

It’s sad when a “Republican” and a “Representative” doesn’t know the wording, the meaning, or the history of our Constitution.

Jon Lester

January 11th, 2013
10:52 am

Anti-gun people get their way by manipulating the ignorant and the foolish, and Gingrey is proving that they’re getting to him by just such a method. The Virginia Tech shooter used 19 10-round magazines, so that wouldn’t have stopped him either way.

Edward

January 11th, 2013
10:53 am

Gingrey and Broun, the perfect representation of Georgia idiocy in action.

Mary

January 11th, 2013
10:56 am

“We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, ‘Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don’t be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.’”

Wow. What a crappy doctor.

DJ Sniper

January 11th, 2013
10:59 am

While it is true that some women will cry rape after they did consent, the fact remains that Akin’s remarks didn’t apply to this. That whole like about a woman’s body shutting down pregnancy in a
“legitimate rape” was GOP lunacy at its finest.

DJ Sniper

January 11th, 2013
11:00 am

I agree Mary.

mystery poster

January 11th, 2013
11:13 am

That is NOT what Akin meant by the “legitimate rape” comment, you need to read the whole thing. He said that if a woman is legitimately raped, she cannot get pregnant from that, that her body has a way of “taking care of that.”

And this from a man on the House Committee of Science.

mystery poster

January 11th, 2013
11:16 am

Road Scholar

January 11th, 2013
11:20 am

John Lester: Sort of like the conservatives saying President Obama is a Kenyan, socialist, communist, Muslim…I could go on with the manipulation of the “stupid”!

teaching taxpayer

January 11th, 2013
11:26 am

Bush 43’s adviser Karen Hughes wisely wrote, “And if another Republican man says anything about rape other than it is a horrific, violent crime, I want to personally cut out his tongue.” Congressman Gingrey has a safe seat. He’d better be glad he does.

[...] the congressman told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution Friday that his words had been misconstrued and that he was not defending Akin or Indiana Senate [...]

Aquagirl

January 11th, 2013
11:36 am

That is NOT what Akin meant by the “legitimate rape” comment, you need to read the whole thing.

Frankly I don’t think Akin himself knew what he meant, he was just vomiting out half-digested junk from Conservative LaLa Land.

Big Hat

January 11th, 2013
11:41 am

If a woman is raped with an assault rifle with a muzzle-flash suppressor, is it legitimate?

molonlabe

January 11th, 2013
11:44 am

This comes from a Rep. that has an A+ rating from the NRA. I truly hope that in two years that district 11 will vote this bum out. And thanks for telling me, a law abiding citizen, how many rounds I can shoot at a paper target.

J Throckmorton Malcontent

January 11th, 2013
11:49 am

The Rapepublican position on babies always confuses me.
Fetuses = best thing EVAR. All should be carried to term, especially dead ones, rapey ones, incestuous ones, and three headed ones. Miscarriages should be investigated and doctors shot in church (don’t miss!).
Rape Babies = special gift from Jesus. Having one proves it wasn’t really rape.
Poor folks’ babies = intolerable welfare burden, should starve.
Anchor babies = worst thing EVAR. The Constitution should have a “no Hispanics allowed” clause.
Baby President Barack Obama = born in Kenya, socialist Muslim usurper.
Educating babies = YEAH RIGHT

Nancy

January 11th, 2013
11:52 am

Georgia needs to start revoking medical licenses. Broun and Gingrey must have been last in their classes and barely passed the boards. I would not want either of them near me if I was bleeding to death!

RGB

January 11th, 2013
11:53 am

You secularists should be (figuratively, of course) in heaven since abortions are essentially unfettered in this country. Oh, I know, you still can’t abort a child who was recently delivered (as the president has supported) but we know you won’t give up. (Question: doesn’t the Free Contraceptive Party ever use the OCs for which they advocate? Shouldn’t the number of abortions be declining dramatically?)

55 million aborted babies since R v. W: Another liberal accomplishment.

Next: “And there are guns to ban before I sleep.”

Repro

January 11th, 2013
11:57 am

Few years ago, I made the mistake of voting for this clown Gingrey thinking he was an intelligent, informed guy, being a doctor and all. What a mistake! Never again.

Section 236

January 11th, 2013
11:58 am

There’s no such thing as a “mag clip”. It’s either a magazine or a clip; there are no hybrids and the two are distinctly different.

If you’re going to report with an aura of authority, Galloway, at least learn the difference.

Question

January 11th, 2013
11:59 am

All the people who calls themselves “ProLife”, there are 42 million orphans and 21,000 kids die everyday because they don’t have the meds, cleans water and food. How many have you adopted? Most of them have not done that. So please don’t call yourself “Prolife” you are all just “Pro Voice” just talk and no action..

DollarDawg

January 11th, 2013
11:59 am

The bigger problem is that there exists a need for serious, logical discussions of issues like this but idealogues on both sides will do their best to frame the discussion in such a way to suppprt their own opinion, regardless of any consquences.

Rape and abortion are serious issues and require honest discussion without all the shouting and partisan rancor. Gun legislation-same thing. Mental health issues-Yep, same thing again. Its a shame that we and our politicians refuse to have a meaningful, thoughtful dialogue about these without politicizing every point and villifying anyone who dares to disagree with us.

[...] expand on the comments by TPM Friday, Gingrey’s office pointed to a statement sent to to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. In it, Gingrey claims the quotes are being unfairly used by his political [...]

Wild Eyes

January 11th, 2013
12:06 pm

There is no in between. You were either raped or not!!!

Don't Tread

January 11th, 2013
12:06 pm

“Shall not be infringed” has nothing to do with how many rounds you can shoot in a paper target and at what rate. “Shall not be infringed” means exactly that.

Oh, and by the way, there’s no such thing as a “legitimate rape”. It’s either rape (a crime), a false accusation (also a crime), or consensual (not a crime).

Big Hat

January 11th, 2013
12:09 pm

I heard a rumor that Obama has a black baby, just like McCain. Why isn’t Fox News all over this?

Bhorsoft

January 11th, 2013
12:11 pm

Just further confirmation that Phil Gingrey is a legitimate idiot. It doesn’t speak well for the people who voted for him either.

Tom

January 11th, 2013
12:24 pm

A little wine can make what would have been a ‘legitimate rape’ look consensual, too.

kreedham

January 11th, 2013
12:26 pm

Gingrey, Price, Broun and Westmoreland continue to fight it out to see who can show us how stupid they can be. Price and Westmoreland have been quiet lately so they can fight it out for 3rd and 4th dumbest. Gingrey moves up to #2 this week but they’ll all have a hard time knocking Paul Broun off the #1 spot. The people in his district should be embarassed.

Bob Loblaw

January 11th, 2013
12:27 pm

Wow. Phil. Just don’t talk about it. Seriously, dude. Leave it alone.

Bob Loblaw’s prediction for the tea party is coming true!!! Down 200% in less than 2 years! Soon, elected officials will realize that there’s nobody ready to charge when Debbie Dooley yells it out!!

beanster

January 11th, 2013
12:33 pm

Well said, DollarDawg. You certainly will not find that dialogue here.

WOW

January 11th, 2013
12:34 pm

@ Mary:

You are exactly right.

And should be added that they advocate for legislation like the “Personhood amendment’, which makes it harder for infertile couples to explore other options of getting pregnant when the ‘relaxing’ doesn’t work.

MANGLER

January 11th, 2013
12:35 pm

People who do not have vaginas need to stop legislating issues that pertain to vaginas. It would be nice if they stopped publicly speaking about it too.

liberalefty

January 11th, 2013
12:36 pm

the democratic party’s best friend is any republican that opens their ignorant mouths…they triple down on their ignorance and stupidity

(the other) Rodney

January 11th, 2013
12:36 pm

J Throckmorton Malcontent @11:49am – you made me laugh on a gloomy Friday. Thank you. :)

And to further the sanity, I add my 2c worth – rape is rape until proven otherwise. It’s best to err on the side of caution when someone claims rape than to immediately think “well, she was asking for it” or “she might have made it up”. It’ll come out in the wash, as they say, if rape was unjustly cried.

liberalefty

January 11th, 2013
12:36 pm

the democratic party’s best friend is any republican that opens their ignorant mouths…they triple down on their ignorance and stupidity

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

January 11th, 2013
12:42 pm

Gingrey got cozy with the lib and now he get’s to pay the piper. When will they ever learn? Knowing that they are nothing but smiling little crocodiles, I am always confrontational with these bleeding hearts. Why does anyone want to be buddies with this trash?

Jerome Horwitz

January 11th, 2013
12:44 pm

Gingrey may have become a doctor in 1975, but, he’s been a moron a lot longer. This is from Dr. Howard!

Say what

January 11th, 2013
12:45 pm

liberalefty same goes for you. The more you talk the dumber you appear.

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

January 11th, 2013
12:49 pm

“It’s becoming more and more important, in terms of what studies we do, to focus our efforts on the physiological effects of stress and how they may play a role in conception,” says Margareta D. Pisarska, MD, co-director of Center for Reproductive Medicine at Cedars Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles and editor-in-chief of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine News.

And there is no doubt about it, there is no better contraception than squeezing an aspirin between your knees.

morons.

Ol' Timer

January 11th, 2013
12:51 pm

Stop! Stop! Gingrey should have stopped when he made a fairly rational statement about gun mags, but no, he had to continue until finally, like all too many right-wingnuts — he had to end up making an idiotic statment.

It must be in the feakin’ Tea Party DNA. They just have to keep running their mouths until they end up sounding like an idiot!

Normagene

January 11th, 2013
12:53 pm

Every time these idiot politicians open their mouths it lends credence to the rest of the countries perception of Georgians as dumb redneck neanderthals. In the case of Gingrey, they are probably right.

DJ Sniper

January 11th, 2013
12:53 pm

RGB, do you have something to back up that claim of 55 million abortions since Roe v. Wade?

Bob Loblaw

January 11th, 2013
12:53 pm

Not to mention the fact that just because you are “pregnant” doesn’t always mean there’s a developing being inside. Or the fact that if an embryo is a “person,” that it is stagnant without…a woman! Yes, you need a uterus or that “person” isn’t going anywhere!

clanmack

January 11th, 2013
12:54 pm

@ Mary 10:56- Gingrey said he’s been an OB-GYN since 1975. He didn’t say he was a good OB-GYN, or a great one, or even a mediocre one. Chalk one up for you!
@J. Throckmorton Malcontent 11:49 LMAO except it is true and you must have gotten that from the real Republican Party platform.

Question: Why is it that the only loud voices are the paranoid ones insisting on “saving” the Second Amendment. Is no one interested in the 14th or any of the others? Let’s see-you can be stopped while driving, your car searched, arrested on a trumped up charge, stripped & searched (including a cavity search) and jailed until you get a hearing, where the charges can be upheld, go to trial and be declared not guilty or have the charges dismissed. You miss work or lose your job and suffer the consequences of that. Who stands up for your rights? NO ONE!!. Why are there no people trumpeting this as a gross violation of rights while IT IS GOING ON EVERYDAY, but the gun rights people are screaming about the possibility of a limit on high capacity magazines or a semi-automatic rifle or the closing of a loophole at gun shows which allow activity that is illegal at a bricks and mortar business? That is insanity
RE: Mental Illness-it is imprecisely defined, and very subjective diagnostically. Does this mean that if some goes on antidepressants after a death in the family, or a child is diagnosed with dyslexia or other learning problems or a trauma survivor who has PTSD are mentally ill? we used to have a community mental health system in this country partially funded and supported by the Federal Govenment. Alas, that was give over to the States (and we see what happened to that system). Try working the mental health approach out in Washington DC. Fat chance.
The gun issue cannot be solved by taking guns away. It is like illegal immigration reform by building a 25 foot high wall across the entire border-way too expensive and impossible to prevent 100% “illegal aliens” entries. It will take a comprehensive, wide ranging approach with common sense limitations, compassionate service systems and far ranging thinking. We hired these people through our votes. They have done nothing to deserve our confidence or trust. All of us need to call, write and/or visit our elected officials and tell them how unhappy we are with their ineffective, stupid and ultimately ignorant efforts. Some of our elected officials are individually brilliant people-collectively they function at a moronic level.

honested

January 11th, 2013
12:57 pm

Quik, somebody put a microphone in front of price or broun.
How dare gingrey make the most asinine statement of the new year among Ga. republicans.

And just for discussion, if the repugs would stop bringing up abortion, nobody would be talking about it!!