Your daily jolt: Nathan Deal wants to stay out of gun debate
Gov. Nathan Deal’s sit-down with Lori Geary of Channel 2 Action News on Wednesday was primarily intended to spread the news that the state’s economic woes had eased enough to boost HOPE scholarships by 3 percent and add 10 days to the pre-kindergarten schedule.
But Geary was also able to sneak in a question about gun legislation – which has become a hot topic for governor’s elsewhere. Said Deal:
”It is a time that is fraught with emotions on both sides of the issue. I’ve heard of proposed legislation, but none of that is part of my agenda.”
Don’t consider that declaration of neutrality to be a green light for the handful of bills already filed in the House, in anticipation of the new session of the Legislature that begins Monday. Several have been filed by incoming freshman Charles Gregory, R-Kennesaw, who has proposed removing state bans on (permitted) concealed weapons in churches and on public university campuses.
The governor’s statement could very well be a declaration that he wants no part of that debate. Not now.
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Vice President Joe Biden’s announcement that the Obama administration might tackle some aspects of gun violence through executive action generated a wall of outrage among Second Amendment enthusiasts on Wednesday. But my blogging colleague Jamie Dupree of WSB Radio fame notes a pair of precedents:
The first time it happened was in 1989, after a mass school shooting Stockton, California, as President George H.W. Bush used a 1968 gun control law to limit the importation of foreign firearms – his executive order banned the shipment of certain assault weapons, unless they were used for sporting purposes.
In 1998, President Bill Clinton expanded on the Bush Administration move by banning the import of almost five dozen different assault weapons that had been modified to get through that “sporting purposes” exemption.
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The aforementioned Charles Gregory, R-Kennesaw, who will be sworn in as a member of the House, is quickly earning a reputation as a conservative of a different sort – i.e., a full-fledged apostle of Rand Paul.
In town meetings and other such gatherings, Gregory has already theorized that Georgia should issue its own currency. We suggest Zell Miller’s face on the $20 bill.
On Wednesday, Gregory a) decried the practice of House Republican leaders protecting incumbents with campaign cash; and b) proposed a conservative loophole for those struggling with the concept of gay marriage. From Jon Gillooly and the Marietta Daily Journal:
“You know, marriage is a religious institution,” Gregory said. “It belongs in the church, and it should be between you and your God. It’s not the domain of the government. I don’t think anybody should be asking government permission to get married. So it takes gay marriage out of the whole equation. It’s not an issue anymore if it’s not a government thing. It’s a church thing. If your church is in favor of gay marriage, they would marry you. If your church is not, they won’t marry gay people. It would be up to the church. It has nothing to do with the government in my mind. It should not have to do with the government.”
This isn’t a brand-new thought. I heard state Rep. Bobby Franklin say almost exactly the same thing shortly before his death.
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Check out this curious quote from U.S. Saxby Chambliss that my AJC colleague Kyle Wingfield tacked onto the end of his column today:
[D]oes the bitterness in Washington ever make him think twice about running again?
“This is an eight-year decision for me. It’s two years [campaigning] plus six years” in office, he said. “And if I thought the next eight years were going to be filled with contentious debates and the wrong way to govern that we have just gone through in the last two months, it would have a significant impact on my decision. But yeah, right now my plans are to run.”
“Right now”?
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Potential strategies assigned to President Barack Obama, who wants to avoid a showdown with Republicans over an increase in the federal debt ceiling, include a trillion-dollar platinum coin and the 14th Amendment, which states that “the validity of the public debt of the United States … shall not be questioned.”
U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson doesn’t think either one is an option. From the Athens Banner-Herald:
“I don’t believe the Constitution allows either of those things to happen,” Isakson said during a legislative preview with the Athens and Classic City Rotary Clubs and the Athens Area Chamber of Commerce. “And I don’t think we ever want to get into a situation where one individual in this country unilaterally has the ability to determine how much we’re going to owe.
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A Fulton County judge has rejected Secretary of State Brian Kemp’s attempt to settle a border dispute between Bibb and Monroe counties. From Mike Stucka and the Macon Telegraph:
Superior Court Judge Kelly Lee ordered Kemp to use the controversial 2009 survey by Terry Scarborough, which Kemp has rejected multiple times. Monroe County first appealed Kemp’s rejection to Kemp himself, filed and lost in Fulton County courts, then filed again in Fulton County to win Wednesday’s victory.
John Ricketson, a Monroe County resident, attended the hearing and said Lee’s order shocked attorneys for the state, leaving them “stammering like you had taken a baseball bat and slapped them upside the head. It was just that, really. Everybody in the court was just going, ‘Unbelievable.’”
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The Washington Post today highlights a $1 million donation given by Sherry Huff of Rossville, Ga., to a super PAC that opposed President Barack Obama’s re-election. Huff lives in a $50,000 house:
“I didn’t like the way the election was looking,” Huff wrote in an e-mail message to The Washington Post. “Desperate times call for desperate measures.”
CREW, however, believes the source of the money is more likely to have been Huff’s employer, businessman Carey V. Brown, who built a fortune with Internet payday loans he routed through Bermuda to avoid lending laws. Brown recently pledged $1 billion to a Christian charity and has a history of political contributions to Republicans.
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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J Throckmorton Malcontent
January 10th, 2013
10:36 am
The new Georgia unit of currency should be called the “goober”.
1 Goober bill has Herschel Walker’s face on it.
3 Goober bill has Lester Maddox’s
7 Goober bill has a pot of bald peanuts
32 Goober bill has Dale Murphy
119 Goober bill has General John B Hood
2,000,000 Goober bill has Margaret Mitchell
nathan's political arsonist
January 10th, 2013
10:40 am
wish he would stay out of governing
gadem
January 10th, 2013
11:07 am
These politicians are all cowards!!!
ByteMe
January 10th, 2013
11:09 am
I heard state Rep. Bobby Franklin say almost exactly the same thing shortly before his
deathdescent into hell.FYT
Capt. Call Out
January 10th, 2013
11:09 am
@J Throckmorton Malcontent –
Awesome.
ByteMe
January 10th, 2013
11:11 am
The Washington Post today highlights a $1 million donation given by Sherry Huff of Rossville, Ga., to a super PAC that opposed President Barack Obama’s re-election
Just goes to show that money don’t equate to brains or guts.
Bobo
January 10th, 2013
11:12 am
If Deal wants to stay out of the gun control debate, then he can just abdicate his seat and let someone with some courage protect the 2nd amendment rather than just allow the media and far left to turn our country into a police state. The funny thing is that the government thinks they can take the rights of gun owners by passing a bunch of laws. Lets see how many people actually recognize the law and follow it. I know I won’t. I also know that I might not have bought a semi-automatic assault weapon before this, but they just made certain that I will purchase one now out of spite. Obama can piss up the proverbial rope. Until he can show some respect for ordinary citizens, he gets none whatsoever.
clem
January 10th, 2013
11:15 am
deal probably realizes in this state goatropers abound
On My Way
January 10th, 2013
11:16 am
So it’s OK to legislate the 14th Amendment regarding abortions, but you can’t touch the 2nd Amendment?
glburel
January 10th, 2013
11:22 am
Gov. Deal…..The artful dodger.
Shar
January 10th, 2013
11:27 am
What an impressive show of leadership from our governor.
Or not.
J
January 10th, 2013
11:29 am
Really he wants to stay out of it. Isn’t that part of his Job as Govenor of our State?
Robert
January 10th, 2013
11:32 am
The only problem with guns are the people who buy them out of “fear”. Since the Sandy Hook tragedy gun sales have gone through the roof because people “fear” President Obama will restrict their rights to purchase guns (assault rifles, etc.). I hope the NRA does the right thing and donate all gun sale profits to the families of the Sandy Hook tragedy. Donate the money NRA.
In Georgia people have been applying for and receiving permits that allow them to carry weapons openly in public places (McDonalds, Starbucks, WalMart, etc.) out of “fear” that something is going to happen to them or they will be able to prevent someone from hurting someone else (hero’s).
Georgia does not conduct mental health screenings to detect if a gun applicant is mentally fit to own a gun. This is where the problem begins. How do you determine who is mentally competent to own and use a gun?
The only way to get people to turn in their guns or implement a system to screen mentally ill gun applicants is to have a national registry that will identify current and new gun owners and publish their names and addresses in the local newspapers so people who live in their community (neighbors) will know who are registered gun owners in their neighborhood.
It is time to stop pandering to the NRA and stop living in “fear” of gun owners who legally have a right to own a gun. I have a right not to live in “fear”. Publishing their names and addresses will expose who they are where they live and hopefully reduce the “fear” factor from registered gun owners.
We publish names and addresses of child molestors, rapist and other people who use “fear” as their weapon of choice. It is time for all registered gun owners to be listed in a national register just like we do to protect our children from predators.
If gun owners have nothing to “fear” they should embrace the opportunity to explain to their neighbors why they feel compelled to own guns in my neighborhood.
The American People…
Kris
January 10th, 2013
11:35 am
nathan’s political arsonist “”wish he would stay out of governing”"
What is he governing……As a citizen, he is Governor only in title…Only good at dodging ethical lawsuits and padding his pocket….What a joke!
Molon Labe
January 10th, 2013
11:46 am
sounds like this was taken out of context
“I’ve heard of proposed legislation, but none of that is part of my agenda”
none of that gun control legislation is part of his agenda like it is that snake Cuomo’s.
Bobo
January 10th, 2013
11:46 am
Look, let’s not pretend we are ever going to agree on gun rights. I feel no need to defend my position on the 2nd amendment and if this becomes an issue that helps contribute to the inevitable civil war brewing in the next 30-50 years (if not sooner), then we know we’re on opposite sides and I’ll have the weapons while you have your hurt feelings, your law books, and a bunch of empty words. Even Hitler wrote wonderful apologetics that seemed well reasoned and logical to justify the killing of millions of innocent people. You an intellectualize anything and marginalize even the most moral of behaviors if you have a critical mass of idiots who believe it. Stalin called them ‘useful idiots’. My personal gun ownership has NOTHING to do with Sandy Hook. Sandy Hook is just another convenient political tool for the media.
As long as we’re going to outlaw root causes, why not outlaw the REAL factors that caused Sandy Hook, starting with divorce. Lanza’s parents divorcing caused the mental break that pushed him over the edge. Why don’t we also hold people accountable who didn’t FORCE him to take the anti-psychotic drugs that would’ve protected everyone else? Why don’t we hold the people accountable who ostracized him and made him feel like an outcast? Oh wait…..because life is random and you can’t make a law for everything without punishing innocent people in certain bad circumstances.
Bobo
January 10th, 2013
11:49 am
Robert that is probably the most arrogant piece of writing this side of Washington D.C. What makes you think I feel ANY accountability to you whatsoever to explain why I own gun? Who the HELL do you think you are? Since I know you’ll probably just respond to this with a long diatribe about how guilty I should feel for something I had NOTHING to do with, I’ll save you the effort of telling you that I will igore whatever you write, the same as you’re intent on ignoring any statistics or rational arguments that I might put forth. The constitution clearly means nothing to you, but then again it doesn’t mean much anymore anyway.
On My Way
January 10th, 2013
11:50 am
Thanks Bobo for predicting the next civil war. You gonna win that one?
Retired Soldier
January 10th, 2013
11:54 am
Robert-
You compare gun owners with sex offenders? Sick. You want strict gun laws, move to Chicago. What? What did you say? You don’t want to move to Chicago because the murder rate is to high? Buy a gun and protect yourself.
Kris
January 10th, 2013
11:59 am
It will be a sad day when guns are outlawed and criminals (politicians included) still have weapons..A sadder day when when they pry my weapon from my cold dead fingers.
One thought to protect our Children while at school.
1. Take funding from Shady Deals guards put more SRO’s in school’s. Deal has victor hill to protect him.
2. Reinstate fuel tax on Delta.
3. Or simply move all the cops running radar on I75/85/285 etc to the schools. Let the GSP handle the interstates. Train the Hazmat people to direct traffic as it seams there are an abundance of them standing around doing nothing when a accident spills a little fuel.
I’ll be a believer in these guns-everywhere krap when they allow armed people in the capital and on the floor of the legislature
Feral Heathen
January 10th, 2013
12:01 pm
@Robert @ 11:32AM
[I have a right not to live in “fear”.]…No you don’t, none of us do.
You have a choice to not live in fear, I choose not to live in fear, and my guns make sure that you or anyone else won’t try to instill that fear through force or coercion.
Inalienable right: a right according to natural law, a right that cannot be taken away, denied, or transferred .
This definition is what the anti-gun-cult, the media and the politicians refuse to acknowledge.
My gun ownership is not up for debate…by anyone….ever…period
Drago
January 10th, 2013
12:01 pm
Deal is gutless.
True_Blue
January 10th, 2013
12:01 pm
“no comment, no action” – moto of our governor
Go Ahead
January 10th, 2013
12:04 pm
Robert, ignorance is never so obvious as when it is written or spoken . . . GO AHEAD and publish my name as a gun owner, and when ALL of the criminals go to your house b/c you are not on the list, don’t come crying to me!
Go Ahead
January 10th, 2013
12:07 pm
Feral, be careful, the idiots in DC may think your gun ownership right is up for debate if they think it will serve them somehow . . .
Bobo
January 10th, 2013
12:10 pm
On my way….you miss the point. I don’t WANT a civil war. No one wins a war even if they win. It’s just an inevitable consequence of pushing people to their breaking point. Maybe I should re-term that to ‘revolution’. Go back and read about why the colonists declared independence from King George and see if we aren’t right back to that kind of treatment by our government.
But yes, if we do end up there, then it’s better to burn out than fade away. I will never sell out to the ‘forward progressive “thinking”‘ that is turning everyone into a narcissitic baby dependent on big government to tell them what to do with their lives.
Hooty Goot
January 10th, 2013
12:10 pm
Why don’t they put it on a ballot and let THE PEOPLE vote on it. Because they would find that only about 10% of the whole population of the USA wants tighter gun control.
Bobo
January 10th, 2013
12:12 pm
Go Ahead….why don’t we just publish Robert’s address and give a copy of that to all paroled inmates on their way out of jail. Then they’ll know where to go get free stuff…..provided it isn’t just a Big Screen TV from Rent-A-Center that his government check (me and you) bought him.
Lord help
January 10th, 2013
12:13 pm
Lord help idiots like Robert……
Go Ahead
January 10th, 2013
12:16 pm
@Hooty, not sure 10% is correct. Look at all the left-wingnuts out there – more than 10% . . . There are alot of people that really believe that if we outlaw guns the gun problem will go away!
Go Ahead
January 10th, 2013
12:18 pm
Bobo . . . LMFAO
Wondering
January 10th, 2013
12:18 pm
I am not a gun owner but I feel safe in our country. I feel safer here than when I travel over seas. The reason is the great oppressor over time has been government and ours follows the Bill of Rights to guarantee my freedom. Sure, individuals will sometimes threaten me, but I don’t often feel threatened by my government.
If you want to own a gun, do so. It’s your right. Use it in a crime and you are a criminal. Use it for sporting and self defense, and your not. It’s a very simple concept. It isn’t gun ownership that’s the problem. Ask people from Zimbabwe about machetes.
Irate Gunowner
January 10th, 2013
12:22 pm
If they allow this to be determined by Presidential executive order they do so at the risk of being re-elected.
electedface
January 10th, 2013
12:23 pm
We get it, ‘Gun Control’ is a bad word. Nobody is trying to take away the rights of the 2nd Amendment in the literal sense.
But in the world of mentally unstable, lawmakers should find a way to make our society a safer place. If restrictions placed on guns are what it takes, we open the floor to debate.
For all of you in fear of a 2nd Amendment violation calming it is unconstitutional, where were you during the NYC/LA/ATL stop and frisk movement which is still occurring? Stop and frisk is an even clearer violation of our 4th Amendment.
With that said, the U.S. has averaged more than 18 gun deaths every day since the Newtown School shooting. Something should be done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…
Ol' Timer
January 10th, 2013
12:23 pm
I have a hypothesis that folks who insist on carry guns everywhere have little penises.
Ol' Timer
January 10th, 2013
12:23 pm
I have a hypothesis that folks who insist on carry guns everywhere have little penises.
DA
January 10th, 2013
12:28 pm
Ol’timer.u should know as you love penises.
Mike Meehan
January 10th, 2013
12:29 pm
I’m surprised that the author of the Nathan Deal article would make such a glaring error (or that a proofreader would let it go unoticed and uncorrected) as to write the following: “But Geary was also able to sneak in a question about gun legislation – which has become a hot topic for governor’s elsewhere. Said Deal”. Governor’s (with an apostrophe) is the singular possessive (of the governor) and governors (no apostrophe) is the nomnitive plural (more than one governor). Other than this I continue tp have a high regard for the paper in general even though I have to stop in at a library to read it.
Regards,
Mike Meehan
Hooty Goot
January 10th, 2013
12:32 pm
Robert
Sex offenders are are in violation of the law. I violated no law by purchasing a firearm.
If you look on your county government’s web site there is PROBABLY a list of everybody in the county who has a permit to carry a gun. I don’t know this for sure but I’m about to find out. They have lists for about everything.
td
January 10th, 2013
12:33 pm
electedface
January 10th, 2013
12:23 pm
“Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither” Ben Franklin
AtlSteve
January 10th, 2013
12:34 pm
Robert@11:32
“We publish names and addresses of child molestors, rapist who use “fear” as their weapon of choice”
These are people who have committed and been CONVICTED of crimes.
Having a registered gun is not a crime.
But feel free to publize your name and address as a non-gun owner. I’m sure some of the people you mentioned above would love to drop by for a late night\early morning visit.
Hooty Goot
January 10th, 2013
12:35 pm
Go Ahead – You’re probably right, but I’d like to know. Maybe there’s a study or survey. Something interesting to research.
Ol' Timer
January 10th, 2013
12:36 pm
@DA — you don’t know me and for you to make such an ignorant statement demonstrates the intellectual capacity of many who want to walk around with something in their pockets.
td
January 10th, 2013
12:38 pm
The hot new video at MRCTV.org is 1995 footage of Attorney General Eric Holder, when he was the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia. In his remarks before the Woman’s National Democratic Club, broadcast by CSPAN 2, Holder said people should be ashamed to own guns, just the way that cigarette smokes now “cower outside of buildings” to smoke.
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb-staff/2013/01/10/eric-holder-gun-owners-should-cower-shame-smokers#ixzz2HayIGPt1
And this is the person on a team that is suppose to give gun owners the peace of mind that these people do not want our guns. Right.
jl williams
January 10th, 2013
12:39 pm
As I remember the President’s comments right after the event he stated that he was also going to focus on the mental health issues that have contributed to events such as Sandy Hook. It’s fine if Deal does not want to talk about guns, but I would like to hear his ideas on how he intends to improve Georgia’s pathetic mental healthcare system. In my opinion, this is the worst crisis that is currently affilicting this state.
DA
January 10th, 2013
12:41 pm
Thanks Gov Deal for not wanting anymore gun laws…Also supporting the Second Amendment and gun owners.
Kris
January 10th, 2013
12:43 pm
I’m positive that during the Georgia 2013 general assembly there will be NRA DOLLARS will be flying as fast as bullets…and faster than Newt can spot the ladies of the evening.
They only have a fer things to do anyway.
Pass a ethics law , hopefully one with some bite in it….
Find funding to put SRO in all schools without cutting the education funding.
Get more industry in GA WITH GOOD PAYING jobs…
Souls be simple for the GA GOP slime bags to do..
DA
January 10th, 2013
12:46 pm
Ol’timer you don’t know all gun carry people either…..stupid comment deserved stupid answer.
However u right I dont know you..thank God.
MANGLER
January 10th, 2013
12:52 pm
Marriage: Yep, it’s a religious institution. However, our Government, and most other Governments, grant different legal status to those who have entered into that institution and their descendants than those who have not. That legal protection (or lack thereof) is precisely why marriage has everything to do with the Government. Quit basing people’s tax rates, contracts, insurance, and property rights off of marital status, and then you can argue for separation of marriage and State.
DA
January 10th, 2013
12:58 pm
Souls (sp) be simple for the GA GOP slime bags to do… said Kris
What about the Slime bags that control the Senate and live in the White House if its so simple?
Robert
January 10th, 2013
1:11 pm
@Feral Heathen & BoBo –
- Why are you guys so “fearful” of your neighbors knowing you are a legal gun owner?
- Why are you so opposed to a national gun registry?
- What ideas do you have as a registered gun owner to keep people who are un-fit to own a gun?
Let’s not sink into a negative discussion on such a serious issue for both gun owners and non-gun owners. I look forward to your ideas. Can we act civil?
BS Patrol
January 10th, 2013
1:15 pm
All you dudes out there with a tool for rape beware! Your fine president & his legislators will be after that soon too. Our legislators don’t recognise the Bill Of Rights and never have. What they really see is an armed revolution coming and they don’t want patriots who are sick of this crap to be armed. BTW I’ve had all sorts of machine guns and assault rifles but I’ll take my trusty sawed-off any day.
gun owner
January 10th, 2013
1:19 pm
Robert, proposing that all gun owners have their addresses published is by no means civil. Do not act like it is. It is none of your business what guns I have. They have never been used in the commission of a crime while I have owned them and there is nothing else for you to worry about with them.
As some have stated, why don’t you post your information in the paper as a non gun owner?
Jon Lester
January 10th, 2013
1:19 pm
In fairness to Gov. Deal, this year’s General Assembly may well be over and done with before Congress even decides what gun bill to vote on, so anything he might say about it this week is kind of moot.
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
January 10th, 2013
1:20 pm
Don’t deflect the issue, Robert. The mass-shootings have obviously been staged as a predicate to disarm the People. Truth, Justice, and Reason must rule alone in America. Those opposed to Truth, Justice and Reason are unholy and not American.
BS Patrol
January 10th, 2013
1:25 pm
@Will Jones. Where do I send my donation?
DA
January 10th, 2013
1:48 pm
Agree Will Jones…100%
Truth
January 10th, 2013
1:51 pm
Wyoming is taking steps to head off the federal gov’t on gun control. Google Wyoming HB0104. Felony conviction for any federal agent who tries to enforce gun control within the state.
BTW,Time magazine ran an interesting article on mass shootings. According to their research, 380 people have died in mass shooting events WORLDWIDE in the past 40 years. How many have died due to the distracted use of text and data features on cell phones in the past 10 years? TIME TO OUTLAW TEXTING AND CELL INTERNET USAGE NOW!!!
Robert
January 10th, 2013
1:53 pm
Vice President Joe Biden said “the group has heard repeatedly about the need to strengthen background checks to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill. He is is strong favor of a national registry for all current and new gun owners. He said proposals would go beyond closing a loophole that exempts some private firearms sales, such as at gun shows, from background checks.”
“There is an emerging set of recommendations — not coming from me but coming from the groups we’ve met,” Biden said. “There is a surprising, so far, a surprising recurrence of suggestions that we have universal background checks.”
These recommendations were not only about “closing the gun show loophole,” he said, “but total universal background checks, including private sales.” He said the focus would be on how to “strengthen those background checks.”
Biden also mentioned strengthening the ability of federal agencies to conduct research about gun violence. He drew a comparison between current limits on federal gathering of data about gun violence and 1970s-era restrictions on federal research into the causes of traffic fatalities. Biden stressed a need for the government to collect information about “what kind of weapons are used most to kill people” and “what kind of weapons are trafficked weapons.”
Biden’s comments came an hour before he was scheduled to meet with a senior representative of the NRA, the powerful gun rights group that has long opposed any additional restrictions on gun ownership or ammunition purchases.
Bobo
January 10th, 2013
1:58 pm
So you want to be civil after you’ve equated gun owners to criminals on the lowest rungs of human existence? Are you kidding me? Let me be perfectly clear why there shouldn’t be a registry. This nation was built on the premise of PERSONAL FREEDOM and our court system works on the premise of INNOCENT until proven guilty. Forcing law-abiding citizens to sign a registry is no different than the Nazis establishing registries for German citizens. We have the right to be LEFT ALONE and for government to butt out of our personal lives UNLESS we have done something that harms another individual citizen. I really don’t care if the government gets its feelings hurt. Who is the government to tell us how to run our own lives when time-and-time again it has proven to be incapable of running itself without waste, corruption, or the violation of personal rights?
How is it not abundantly clear to you gun control freaks that CRIMINALS do not behave like law-abiding citizens? Do you think MS-13 and the Crips go to their neighborhood Wal-Mart to buy their pieces? Do you really think gang members won’t SELL guns to other people? How naiive are you to think that the government can actually enforce any law that is easily broken?
Do you really think you can’t easily get a gun if they’re outlawed? You guys are usually so hot to trot to legalize pot. Well, how hard is it to buy ANY illegal drug you want within a day or two? Do you think guns will be any different? I promise you it will be even easier, since guns aren’t morally wrong like heroin or crank. What an illusion that a government can control people for more than a few decades. Those of you who think revolution can’t happen have never picked up a history book. In 1980 if you told people the USSR would fall they would’ve laughed in your face.
Crazytalk
January 10th, 2013
2:01 pm
If people want to list the names and addresses for gun owners and permit carriers, I’m fine with that.
Except, I want all the names listed for other interest groups listed as well.
If you don’t own a gun, your name and address should be listed. Why should you fear listing your information and that you are a gun free zone, right? Or does that make you a target for unwanted attention?
I also want to have a list of the people in my neighborhood who are on WIC, foodstamps, and if anyone is getting government assistance in any form and fashion. SS, disability.. you name it. Living off my dime, I’d like to be able to atleast be proud of that nice new car in the driveway, and the fat little bellies of your refund checks running around the streets.
I want a list of single mothers, divorcee’s and gay’s. I also want drug tests every month. Who trusts walking your dog around if there’s a wild crackhead next door!
I wanna know where the fatties live too. If you are a woman over 150 #’s, I wanna know that too. You could crush someone.
While we’re at it, why not just make a list for every neighborhood, and list everyones business in there? Would that make it civil and people feel better? Once we get over the warm fuzzy group hug.
Listing sex offenders doesn’t next to nothing. Do you think a large portion of people actively search and move away from them? Do you think that it literally stops people from non consensual sex acts because there is a “dreaded list”?
Pretty crazy idea huh.. Doesn’t fix a damn thing in the end, but bother people and invade personal space.
Trust me, if I had a neighbor that didn’t like the idea of me having guns, I wouldn’t give a hoot, they aren’t in their house. I have no need to protect anyone but myself and my family.
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
January 10th, 2013
2:01 pm
Claim the truth and share the witness. Send your prayers to the Creator, America’s Sovereign by Covenant and Creed, alone…and keep your powder dry.
Bobo
January 10th, 2013
2:03 pm
Robert you are also sadly mistaken if you think the NRA is scared of this administration. They are among the most powerful of all political lobbies and area easily powerful enough to drag this debate out for the next 4 years until Obama is a lame duck. They have a bottomless vault of cash in the billions, millions of supporters, and the best lawyers money can buy. Even the federal government will not be able to bully the NRA financially. At least 30% of congress is also an NRA member. The NRA is not just a lobby for guns, but for personal freedom and they WILL go William Wallace on Biden if he pushes them hard enough.
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
January 10th, 2013
2:10 pm
@Bobo: you may not realize just how desperate our ruling false elite, 9/11-committing, JFK-assassinating Rothschild/Rockefeller-Bush psychopathy is: their Fed Scam franchise expires this year…hence the staged mass shootings.
Robert
January 10th, 2013
2:26 pm
@BoBo – The NRA is in many ways nothing more than a front for its gun-industry sponsors. The NRA has no real power or authority. They are marketing and customer service agent and nothing more..
Olderandwiser49
January 10th, 2013
2:35 pm
Deal is just another politician who waits to see the direction of the blowing wind before setting sail. Like most politicians, he supports something 100% of the time, unless he changes his mind. As for Chambliss running for another term, after voting in favor of a “fiscal cliff” deal that increased taxes 40+ times more than it reduced spending, he should consider running as a Democrat!
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
January 10th, 2013
2:39 pm
Georgia, and Atlanta, is where America’s foundational, utopian ideals yet live and breath. The Governor knows this and we shall lead the Nation back to the Creator, our Sovereign, from the Anti-Christ’s tyranny now attempting to enslave us.
Thursday Afternoon Speculation – Saxby Chambliss Edition — Peach Pundit
January 10th, 2013
2:59 pm
[...] prompted the eagle-eyed Jim Galloway to underline and question the “right now” part of that quotation. Which only serves to fuel the [...]
Keep doing this GOP
January 10th, 2013
3:10 pm
The NRA is not just a lobby for guns, but for personal freedom and they WILL go William Wallace on Biden if he pushes them hard enough.
They wont get anywhere near Biden. VP Biden has the second best, well-armed security force in the world protecting him. If anyone from the NRA even sniffs at Biden, they will take care of them in an orderly fashion.
The NRA does NOT RUN THIS COUNTRY !! DAMN IT!!
curious
January 10th, 2013
3:11 pm
Unless it is a shotgun or bolt action rifle, require the purchaser to undergo the same process as someone buying a Class 3 weapon goes through now.
yuzeyurbrane
January 10th, 2013
3:12 pm
Chambliss is, as the saying goes, keeping his options open. Depending on what the polls show, he will decide whether to run. That means he will not run if there is a strong opponent. And he will have a strong opponent in his own primary if there is bad blood over the upcoming fiscal showdowns in Congress. Besides, Saxby has been there and done that and would prefer the leasure life of a retired statesman to the possible humiliation of being kicked out by the voters of his own party. Kind of ironic considering how he became Senator in the first place and because he would probably win reelection if he made it past his primary.
curious
January 10th, 2013
3:13 pm
The lady that donated $1M; should be easy enough to track where the money came from.
mark
January 10th, 2013
3:16 pm
Lets get the govt out of marriage. This newly elected person better take a high govt class. The big companies hate gay marriage, not due to the gay thing, but due to benifits!!! Each state has its own marriage laws. States can not recognize a marriage/civil union or domestic partnership if it comes comes from a different state. So, GA could just say, “no one is married”. That way Adam and Steve can live in peace and I can go to Taco mac on ladies night and truthfully say ” i am single”.
captguitarman
January 10th, 2013
3:21 pm
Robert, your comments seem to be somewhat irrational at worst, and void of any logic, reason, or knowledge of the subject matter at best. Of course, the anti-Second Amendment crowd always first attacks and blames law abiding gun owners after tragic shootings like Newtown have occurred, but I sense something a little out of whack with your arguments. Have you ever had any mental health issues? Have any of your neighbors or friends ever noticed or commented upon your irrational and uninformed thought process? I’m not sure how I would feel about someone like you living in my neighborhood. I would certainly like to know if someone as irrational and uninformed about the Second Amendment as you appear to be is living in my neighborhood. You mentioned something about publishing a lists with the names and addresses of law abiding gun owners and also of the mentally unbalanced, irrational, disturbed, etc. Would you be willing to voluntarily submit your name and address as a public service, as a public safety gesture as someone who may have mental health issues? Do you have friends and relatives who share your somewhat awkward and illogical views about the Second Amendment? We would like to know where they are too. Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
Alphare
January 10th, 2013
3:26 pm
Did the mother of that son of gun or bitch had a bunch of guns? Why didn’t she defend herself?
GaBlue
January 10th, 2013
3:31 pm
Carey V. Brown, who built a fortune with Internet payday loans he routed through Bermuda to avoid lending laws. Brown recently pledged $1 billion to a Christian charity and has a history of political contributions to Republicans.
This tidbit should be the cornerstone of the Georgia Democratic Party’s new PR campaign. Why don’t we have the guts to shine the light on these people for who and what they really are? Can we stop fighting among ourselves and focus on the real enemy of the people of Georgia?
D. Whyte Mansburten
January 10th, 2013
3:52 pm
Anyone with any felony criminal record found in possession of any firearm should be executed then & there. (Felons should also say goodbye to voting forever.) Parents who buy their nutso kids guns later used to mow down classmates should be tried for murder. Guns don’t kill people, and gun control simply amounts to removing guns from honest, taxpaying citizens. The libtards refuse to acknowledge that criminals will continue to obtain guns outside legal channels.
James Fralick
January 10th, 2013
3:53 pm
Seems like Deal shy’s away from real decisions. What a joke he is.
Pete
January 10th, 2013
3:57 pm
I have one word for those who think that arming the average citizen via more liberal gun laws would lead to a safer society: Zimmerman. As a volunteer neighborhood security patrol, George Zimmerman was not trained as a professional law enforcement officer would have been. The mechanics and safety aspects of gun usage are important. But more important is training in how to handle the emotion and stress of encountering a stranger at night, one who appears threatening. George Zimmerman was scared. Trayvon Martin, in Zimmerman’s view, acted as a threat. Martin is now dead. I have no doubt that Zimmerman strongly regrets his actions. Performing background checks and providing instruction in safe gun handling are required elements of a rational gun licensing program. But law-enforcement-level training in unexpected situational behavior is just as critical if increased gun ownership is expected to increase the safety of the public. Without that training, the opposite will be true, with many more “accidental” shootings of people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time and faced a scared citizen with a legal weapon and some “official” domain.
Bobo
January 10th, 2013
4:03 pm
Here’s some more fuel for the fire on the pro-gun side. How many of you have heard about what happened in San Antonio on December 16th? Probably not many right? The national media conveniently ignored this story:
A guy in S.A. went into a restaurant and shot his ex-girlfriend and turned to run into the movie theater next door to do a copy-cat job of the Aurora shootings. So what happened? A by-stander saw what happened, pulled his own gun and shot the guy DEAD before he could even get into the theatre. The city is awarding him a medal. True story. If you want a reference, here you go:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Two-wounded-in-theater-shooting-4122668.php
Bobo
January 10th, 2013
4:05 pm
Pete do you REALLY think Trayvon Martin didn’t do anything to get himself in that position? Really? The kid was a 17 year old dropout with a criminal record and an attitude problem. Come on. This is a media wet dream. You’ve got guns used against a minority. The facts don’t matter.
North resident
January 10th, 2013
4:39 pm
If gun owners have nothing to “fear” they should embrace the opportunity to explain to their neighbors why they feel compelled to own guns in my neighborhood.
Gun owners don’t owe you an explanation for crap. I’ll direct you to the 2nd amendment.
2 cents worth
January 10th, 2013
4:39 pm
We could use less guns and more Roy Beans…Hang em high.
North resident
January 10th, 2013
4:44 pm
We publish names and addresses of child molestors, rapist and other people who use “fear” as their weapon of choice. It is time for all registered gun owners to be listed in a national register just like we do to protect our children from predators.
So you believe that the mother who shot the home invader day before yesterday in Gwinnett , and possibly saved the lives of herself and her children, is the equivalent of a rapist or child molester because she used a gun to protect herself/family? And you want her it explain why she needs a gun? You, sir, are a piece of liberal shiite.
ATLJacket
January 10th, 2013
4:48 pm
Every time I venture in here and read the comments, I am reminded of how quickly I need to relocate to another state. Jeez.
North resident
January 10th, 2013
4:49 pm
Let’s not sink into a negative discussion on such a serious issue for both gun owners and non-gun owners. I look forward to your ideas. Can we act civil?
Umm.. NO. You have already equated gun owners with child molesters and rapists. You have already demanded of gun owners an explanation for their exercise of individual Constitutional right. You have stepped WAY beyond “Can we act civil?”.
Thursday Afternoon Speculation – Saxby Chambliss Edition
January 10th, 2013
4:51 pm
[...] prompted the eagle-eyed Jim Galloway to underline and question the “right now” part of that quotation. Which only serves to fuel the speculation [...]
Southern Hope
January 10th, 2013
5:02 pm
The hilarious part to me is that in other states, the “gun legislation” on the docket is to consider banning military-style assault weapons, body armor, etc. but here in Georgia, the bill is to allow *more* guns in more places. I’ve lived here all my life but you literally couldn’t make up this state if you tried.
Kris`
January 10th, 2013
5:14 pm
Keep doing this GOP “”"the NRA even sniffs at Biden, they will take care of them in an orderly fashion.”"
“”The NRA does NOT RUN THIS COUNTRY !! DAMN IT!!”"”
I’m sure our upstanding legislators will uphold their ETHICS and avoid any blood money from the “NRA”
Right Gov DEAL (term loosely used).
Robert: No License needed to carry, or shoot
January 10th, 2013
5:48 pm
Robert, you and most of the journalists who write or rant about guns are clueless about gun laws in Georgia.
In Georgia, anyone with a gun can openly carry it, on their person, with no license required. Must be 21 to buy the handgun you have, due to federal law, or 18 to buy a “long” gun–those are rifles and shotguns. You can buy all the ammo of any type you want. Thousand round cases bought over the interweb are your best value, and UPS delivers them with labels on the box that say “ORM-D”.
Any Georgian not court-ruled to be mentally defective–whether you are actually crazy or not–can buy guns in any number and size at gun stores, if they can pass a phone-in background check. Anyone else can buy them at gun shows, with no background check and none of that awful state sales tax or record keeping.
Anyone in Georgia that can qualify to buy a gun (not a verified crazy or a convicted felon–you can still be an accused felon, not convicted, yet) can get a concealed carry permit (CCW). This means you can carry your gun(s) anywhere on your person or vehicle you can–visible or hidden.
No training or proof of proficiency or knowledge or the law or even moral rectitude is required for a CCW, or any judgment.
WARNING: If you plan to hunt with a gun, you must have a license and complete a state-mandated hunter safety education class, and pass a test on hunting laws, and buy a state license. You are limited to FIVE or fewer rounds in your auto-rifle if big game hunting, and your magazine must be sized for only five or fewer, not the 100-round drum you can buy anywhere when they get back in stock.
FURTHER: If you plan to hunt waterfowl, you can’t kill with lead shotshells, to slow the rampant epidemic of lead poisoning, which leads to violent behavior and loss of impulse control. Never midn that cleaning guns and breathing aerosoloized lead from shooting is an exposure pathway for lead poisoning.
You are also limited to THREE rounds in your shotgun when hunting.
Predators, criminals, and others with guns have no limit in the number and type of cartridges they use, whether it’s victimes, assailants or school children.
The gun business is a minimally regulated business in Georgia. We don’t need a “permit” to be gun crazy. Our gun laws are crazy.
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Read the short story by the late Waycross boy named Harry Crews, Climbing the Tower, and think about the New America’s number one selling firearm, the AR-15. They are back-ordered at Walmarts, the largest seller or these guns and ammo in general. Whitman had a [slow] bolt action in the UT tower…
Anonymous
January 10th, 2013
6:02 pm
[...] Georgia Republican Governor Nathan Deal said this week he wants no part of advancing our gun rights in Georgia: ”I’ve heard of proposed legislation, but none of that is part of my agenda.” Right out of the horse’s mouth. Folks, we don’t have a Governor who is leading the fight to protect our right to keep and bear arms. Think about all the left-wing Governor’s out calling for gun control. Our Governor wants to “stay out the debate.” SHARE this with your friends. Gov. Nathan Deal wants to stay out of gun debate [...]
yuzeyurbrane
January 10th, 2013
6:27 pm
Deal is just being a seasoned politician. Why take a stand on any issue that is guaranteed to inflame half of the voters? Better to say nothing or see which way the wind is blowing when your reelection campaign starts.
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
January 10th, 2013
6:58 pm
Charles Todd Whitman was an R c altarboy, like so many mass murderers and likely the “missing” psycho shooters at Batman, Wisc. and Newtown. McChrystal used them, too, to do Pat Tillman.
Mrtmd
January 10th, 2013
7:48 pm
People do not have to like guns or own one, but they should be grateful that there are many concealed carry permit holders – all around them – who may chose to protect them if trouble arises.
Air Marshals… When you get on a plane, you may think for a moment that there may be a concealed carry Air Marshal on the plane with you in case the bad guys are on board too.
You think about it for a just a moment, then sit down and enjoy your flight without worry. We are very comforted by having Air Marshals on planes.
Why not do that for our kids in school? Concealed carry administrators, principals, teachers, coaches etc. The NRA and Front Sight training center have each offered to train 3 people from every school for free. FrontSight trains 600 people every 4 days and they can do it! That is a solution that will work.
Is Front Sight screening for psychos?
January 10th, 2013
8:23 pm
I definitely had some teachers that were psycho–especially the coaches (must be those hits in football, in the news AGAIN). Will the gun toting teachers be screened for future crazy?
Why isn’t anyone talking about the the Brian Nichols Fulton County Courthouse massacre—the shooter simply snatched the gun from the sheriff’s level 1 not-secure holster and had a field day shooting…killing…wait till the young turk football players tuffs take the gun(s) away from the teachers and shoot up the school[mates].
Duh!
bob vila
January 11th, 2013
1:37 am
Why do you believe that a teacher having a gun will either lead to the teacher becoming a mass murderer or a student not only stealing the gun from the teacher but also becoming a mass murderer?
What is keeping a teacher or a student from just taking a gun to school right now?
Its funny how no one is concerned about the mental health of teachers until guns come up in conversation. Even when people ask to have a police officer in school, others seem to think even police will become mass murdering child killers all of a sudden.
Ronald Schwartz
January 11th, 2013
12:11 pm
Gover Deal got into office thru the tea party and supporters of the second amendment,He won’t stay in office by upsetting the gun owners of Georgia,not with Obama in office also. Like it or not he has to be pro second amendment.