Atlanta pastor withdraws from Obama inauguration ceremony
The evangelical pastor chosen to give the benediction at President Barack Obama’s inauguration withdrew from the ceremony Thursday after remarks he made two decades ago condemning the gay rights movement surfaced.
The Rev. Louie Giglio of Passion City Church in Atlanta said in a statement he withdrew because it was likely that the “prayer I would offer will be dwarfed by those seeking to make their agenda the focal point of the inauguration.”
Addie Whisenant, a spokeswoman for the Presidential Inaugural Committee, said the committee had chosen Giglio because of his work to end human trafficking.
“We were not aware of Pastor Giglio’s past comments at the time of his selection and they don’t reflect our desire to celebrate the strength and diversity of our country at this inaugural,” Whisenant said in a statement.
The liberal website ThinkProgress posted audio of the sermon Wednesday. In the talk, which the pastor said he gave 15 or 20 years ago, Giglio cites Scripture and called same-sex relationships sinful and an abomination. He warned congregants about what he called the “aggressive agenda” for acceptance of the “homosexual lifestyle.” And he recommended the writings of an advocate for therapy that aims to convert gays and lesbians into heterosexuals.
Repeatedly in the sermon, Giglio urged congregants to welcome gays and lesbians to the church and says God loves them.
In Thursday’s statement, Giglio said “speaking on this issue has not been in the range of my priorities in the past 15 years.”
Obama’s inaugural planners have put an emphasis on reflecting diversity in the festivities, including the participation of gay Americans. Obama personally selected Richard Blanco, whose work explores his experience as a Cuban-American gay man, as the inaugural poet. And the Lesbian and Gay Band Association of St. Louis was one of the first selections to march in the inaugural parade.
Whisenant said the committee was considering others to deliver the benediction at the Jan. 21 event.
The Think Progress post cited by the AP points to remarks from Giglio found on “a Christian web site:”
The 54-minute sermon, entitled “In Search of a Standard – Christian Response to Homosexuality,” advocates for dangerous “ex-gay” therapy for gay and lesbian people, references a biblical passage often interpreted to require gay people be executed, and impels Christians to “firmly respond to the aggressive agenda” and prevent the “homosexual lifestyle” from becoming accepted in society.
Think Progress cited this passage:
”We must lovingly but firmly respond to the aggressive agenda of not all, but of many in the homosexual community. … Underneath this issue is a very powerful and aggressive moment. That movement is not a benevolent movement, it is a movement to seize by any means necessary the feeling and the mood of the day, to the point where the homosexual lifestyle becomes accepted as a norm in our society and is given full standing as any other lifestyle, as it relates to family.”
And this one:
”I would refer you maybe just to the article “Born gay?” by Joe Dallas, who is the president of a ministry that helps with homosexuals in “recovery.” It was found in Christianity Today in June of 1992. It really unfolds for us that the evidence that they say is there, that the media wants to tell us is there really isn’t there at all. But I want to tell you this tonight. Even if it was there…
“How do you respond to that? How do you respond to the news reports that we’re hearing in the last few months that there is a genetic tendency to be an over-eater and it’s been supposedly proved by the scientists? That there is a genetic tendency to addictive behavior. Alcoholics by and large have a genetic tendency to addictive behavior. I predict in our lifetimes and not a very long period of time from now, scientists and geneticists will have found a way to prove a gene theory for every malfunction in sinful society. And do you know why? We talked about it the very first week—because we do not want responsibility for our choices.”
I still can’t fathom what the White House thought it was getting when it booked a well-known, conservative pastor. Somebody didn’t do his homework.
Beyond that, opinion toward same-sex marriage is one of the most rapidly shifting areas of cultural policy ever seen in American politics. One wonders how many people will soon be penalized for being on the wrong side of this one – which could be a dilemma for a president who wants to be seen as reaching out to religious conservatives.
To that point, here’s a paragraph from a statement that Giglio has posted on the Passion City Church website:
The issue of homosexuality (which a particular message of mine some 20 years ago addressed) is one of the most difficult our nation will navigate. However, individuals’ rights of freedom, and the collective right to hold differing views on any subject is a critical balance we, as a people, must recover and preserve.
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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ReaderRick
January 10th, 2013
11:34 am
They will include you, as long as you agree with them. This is why there is gridlock in Washington.
Ernesto
January 10th, 2013
11:41 am
What Christian pastor or Christian leader will not be against homosexuality? Will this mean that they will now choose a non-Christian leader for the benediction? The irony is that the president will be using three Christian bibles; each one of them condemns homosexuality.
M
January 10th, 2013
11:44 am
To be fair, each Bible also condemns shirts made of two kinds of thread and eating shellfish…which should tell you how relative they are to today’s world.
Texas Pete
January 10th, 2013
11:45 am
Why doesn’t Obama give his own benediction? After all, he is probably the only one who knows how to communicate with this wimpy God that he’s invented. Oh, I’m sorry! Was that politically incorrect?
Good
January 10th, 2013
11:45 am
No place in society for his kind of hate-fueled, outdated, uneducated bigotry. Evolve and treat others as you would have them treat you. Learn to acutally follow teaching in your own religion and stop shoving it down the throats of others.
Atlantan
January 10th, 2013
11:45 am
Obama and the left are filled with irony or as I prefer hypocrisy. Just hope the Obama supporters all get to experience the consequences of their vote in November.
TTT
January 10th, 2013
11:46 am
@ Ernesto
Right or wrong, there are plenty of Christian clergy who are “for” homosexuality. Check the Episcopal Church or United Church of Christ.
Bobsie
January 10th, 2013
11:47 am
There are hundreds of thousands of Christian pastors and leader that have not dissed the gay community. Many even conduct same sex wedding. Quit being so narrow and ethnocentric.
ATLien
January 10th, 2013
11:50 am
To be accurate, the Bible condemns homosexuality. It does not promote hate of homosexuals. Why does everyone think these things are the same thing? Can’t you disagree with a lifestyle and NOT hate the individual? Get it together people.
Mr. Independant
January 10th, 2013
11:50 am
Mr. Obama is GOD. (so he thinks) He can give his own inaguration benediction speech.
Aquagirl
January 10th, 2013
11:51 am
There are hundreds of thousands of Christian pastors and leader that have not dissed the gay community.
Yeah, look at Eddie Long. Oh, you meant PUBLICLY denouncing homosexuality? Never mind.
Tag
January 10th, 2013
11:52 am
Homosexuality is not learned they are born that way.
fed up
January 10th, 2013
11:53 am
Did they forget to check with the minister that perhaps his views have “grown and changed” as Obama’s views have?? He was against same sex marriage in his first term and recently before his run for reelection he had an epiphany and believes that same sex marriage should be sanctified by church and government. Talk about hypocrisy….
RGB
January 10th, 2013
11:54 am
“Somebody didn’t do his homework.”
Really?
What a surprise.
Glass Houses
January 10th, 2013
11:56 am
Isnt Obama about to nominate a Defense Secretary who bashed homosexuals as well? Hypocritical
Weetamoe
January 10th, 2013
11:56 am
As far as the bible 2 kinds of thread in shirts goes, there are still shatnes testers employed in New York picking threads out of wool suits. As far as ethnicity goes, why does Obama hate Italians? As far as hypocrisy goes, Obama gives you Chuck Hagel –and takes a bow himself.
Fred ™
January 10th, 2013
11:56 am
Mr. Independant
January 10th, 2013
11:50 am
Mr. Obama is GOD. (so he thinks) He can give his own inaguration benediction speech.
++++++++++++++++++
No, only you idiot talk radio/FOXBOT brainwashed sheep think that. YOU are the ones that call him the messiah and god and other blasphemous names, not the left. All Americans NOT brainwashed by Rush realize he’s just a mortal man.
Have you always been this dense?
Gail
January 10th, 2013
11:56 am
How intolerant of the tolerant
Spike
January 10th, 2013
11:57 am
Yup. Someone on the staff did not do their due diligence. Because of this fiasco, I would think that someone’s head should roll. “Off with their head” (just saw Les Mis)
Ernesto
January 10th, 2013
11:58 am
Not everyone that calls themselves Christians are truly Christians (that they truly believe in Christ).
I Love and respect Louie Giglio
January 10th, 2013
11:58 am
The heck with politics, if you would stop and listen to Louie Giglio you would know the love he has for all people. Do you now have to agree with Obama on all issues to know God and Jesus in DC? Sorry Louie. Please continue with the passion and love that has reached around the world well beyond minds that are closed and will change..
Fresh Autumn
January 10th, 2013
11:58 am
Ummm —– it’s not about “homework”. It’s about a cult “pastor” who is full of hate for his fellow human beings.
GIVE ME A BREAK
January 10th, 2013
11:59 am
A lot of people call themselves Christians. God has the final say on who enters into Heaven. I don’t believe that it’s going to be very crowded. God created a woman for a man. If you don’t believe that then you can call yourself anything that you want.
you can't fix stupid or Democrats
January 10th, 2013
11:59 am
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
This is final word on the subject—-all need to repent before its to late!
1st mate
January 10th, 2013
11:59 am
I am not in favor of replacing him because of his views.. I guarantee you this was not Baracks decision.
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
12:00 pm
“Will this mean that they will now choose a non-Christian leader for the benediction?”
Not even close, there are plenty of Christians that could give the benediction. Episcopal church is full of leaders that could do it.
Btw, could a Christian leader that allows divorce in his church be allowed to give the benediction?
Divorce is a CHOICE!
Blue
January 10th, 2013
12:01 pm
M; not in the new testament. The ‘new law’ after Christ is what most Christians look toward for guidance. The old testament was the pre-Christ laws/atonement, ect. You will never hear this Christian citing old testament stuff. But Romans definitely defines that homosexuality is sinful behavior. That doesn’t make me a ‘hater’ either.
LydiasDad
January 10th, 2013
12:01 pm
Well then, they sure as hell better not have anyone Islamic at the inauguration. They put gays to death.
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
12:02 pm
“Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.”
Don’t forget the divorced and re-married, southern churches are filled with them. Jesus said God hates divorce.
Divorce is a CHOICE!
Lalaland
January 10th, 2013
12:03 pm
Yeah, the only people I’ve heard even remotely refer to Mr. Obama as God-like or allude him to a left version of the Messiah have been extremely conservative and bitter right-wingers. Just because people voted for or like him, doesn’t mean they worship him. I mean, do you worship Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh, because that would be your equivalent.
CDubb
January 10th, 2013
12:04 pm
I am appalled by some of the bigotry and hatred contained in many of the comments shared here. Until each of us can find love and peace within ourselves and our own hearts and stop bashing individuals despite their sexual proclivity, we will always remain a society that stands in need of help. If President Obama inauguration committee decided to remove this minister, the committee has the right to do so. When will we understand that politics will always remain politics. Nothing any of us do or say will change that. Come on America!!!!
Fresh Autumn
January 10th, 2013
12:04 pm
OH, and for all the folks here posting about the Christian Bible and Jesus and quoting verses, etc…. ALL religions are by definition CULTS. Doubtful ? Look up the word CULT in any dictionary. Be informed.
louie for pres
January 10th, 2013
12:06 pm
How many millions did louie and the passion conference raise last week to help stop slavary? Do a google search on that
JJ
January 10th, 2013
12:07 pm
Being a Christian does not give a person a license to judge. I can see why a judgmental Christian is not someone to be placed on an inaugural program, if the President is like President Obama, being truly diverse and respects all people.
Stupid is as Stupid does
January 10th, 2013
12:07 pm
O.K. Great. This opens up a place for JZ in the “Show”
Mustacho
January 10th, 2013
12:09 pm
Today, if you disagree with homosexuality you are called a biggot, a hater, a closed-minded. I wonder what will people be called in a not distant future when they say that they disagree with polygamy.
Repro
January 10th, 2013
12:09 pm
“I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians” – Gandhi
RLP
January 10th, 2013
12:10 pm
We all live in this country and we all matter. Some had it good for years but now its a new day. You pay your taxes and I pay taxes too.
ted in atlanta
January 10th, 2013
12:10 pm
There are two simple litmus tests for those who would judge.
The first is, simple clear human rights.
And the second is, separation of church and state. ESPECIALLY one that conflicts with simple human rights. I can’t wait until these arcane associations with any religion are broken. It will come.
Logical Progression
January 10th, 2013
12:11 pm
It is unfortunate that the lifestyle choices of individuals carry more weight than ability to think independently, understanding that those are personal choices. From experiencing 722 as a college student, and possessing the ability to think about life through various lenses. I am disappointed in this decision, but find that in the court of popular opinion… sometimes the group that presents themselves as most outspoken or victimized, wins. A sad reality that accompanies individual interpretation of constitutional rights.
Justice
January 10th, 2013
12:12 pm
FRED… look in the mirror to see the problem…Obama acts like he is a GOD no one knows what he thinks or doesn’t think. If you look at the history of dictatorships, this isn’t anything new. Maybe a demigod is what you need to feel secure but the rest of this country needs to “check and balance” this behavior.
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Better Said
January 10th, 2013
12:14 pm
Jim… not sure your headline leads us to be most accurate story. ABC has it more correct.
“Pastor Backs Out of Obama Inauguration Over Previous Anti-Gay Comments”
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/01/obama-inauguration-pastor-steps-down-over-previous-anti-gay-comments/
Not dumped. Chose to remove himself. Big difference. Speaks a lot more about Louie’s decision.
Southern Humanist
January 10th, 2013
12:14 pm
Good. the homophobic BS has to stop.
Good
January 10th, 2013
12:15 pm
I’m with DannyX.. If marriage is such a sacred institution, BAN DIVORCE…lol ..see how fast they change their tune. yall are some crazies hiding behind the bible… picking and choosing passages from that book. Religious people are nothing but hypocrites and hatemongers.
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Patrick
January 10th, 2013
12:16 pm
Didn’t Rick Warren speak at an Obama function after he said he was for gay marriage? And Rick Warren has anti-gay views. So…..that eliminates about 9/10 comments here.
swatguy
January 10th, 2013
12:17 pm
@ATLien To be accurate, the Bible condemns homosexuality. It does not promote hate of homosexuals. Why does everyone think these things are the same thing? Can’t you disagree with a lifestyle and NOT hate the individual? Get it together people.
You are correct. Pastor Giglio teaches bible. Obama needs to tighten up not lighten up grow some balls and be a Man about it. If you are a Man of GOD own it.
Be Reasonable
January 10th, 2013
12:18 pm
@Fresh Autumn,
Do you know Louie Giglio? Then how can you call him a “cult ‘pastor’ who is full of hate for his fellow human beings”? I don’t believe Mr. Giglio is full of hate. It sound more like a description of you from your post. But again, since I don’t know you, I can’t really make that determination either.
In fact, I bet if you would go to his church, you would find that he is against hatred or discrimination of anyone, including gays and lesbians.
People who claim to be so tolerant of other lifestyles, really don’t appear to be tolerant of anyone else’s ideas.
John
January 10th, 2013
12:18 pm
If anything everybody said 20 plus years ago to somebody disqualifies a person for participation in political life, is there anybody, including the President., who is fit to hold public office or participare in this inauguration?
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
January 10th, 2013
12:19 pm
AqGirl — Too funny!!
Mmmm Hmmm
January 10th, 2013
12:19 pm
For someone so homophobic, he sure looks gay. That muscular physique… those tight shirts… that perpetual tan… that perfect hair… Just sayin’
BigAintheBigA
January 10th, 2013
12:20 pm
Who gives a flip about Obama’s inauguration? His whole presidency is a farce. Why not just have some weirdo pray to the Giant Spaghetti Monster?
Be Reasonable
January 10th, 2013
12:22 pm
@Good,
Question: To whom are you referring? Are you bigoted against someone because of their religion? “Evolve and treat others as you would have them treat you.”
East Lake Ira
January 10th, 2013
12:23 pm
Bend over ‘merica, we’re coming to love you.
Dave
January 10th, 2013
12:23 pm
Maybe we need some non-judgmental preachers, Rev. Wright? Jesse Jackson? Al Sharpton?
Whadda you think JJ? They are not the least Judgmental are they….NOT!
ball
January 10th, 2013
12:26 pm
I am glad to see a minister actually stand for what the Bible teaches rather than soft-pedalling what the people want to hear and what makes them feel better about their poor choices.
Ol' Timer
January 10th, 2013
12:32 pm
@Ernesto — And each one of those Bibles speaks of gnashing the heads of babies against rocks, too!
JFKDawg
January 10th, 2013
12:34 pm
Wasn’t Obama on the traditional marriage side until recently? And he excuses this guy for having an anti-Gay position in the 90’s? Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.
swatguy
January 10th, 2013
12:37 pm
“We must lovingly but firmly respond to the aggressive agenda of not all, but of many in the homosexual community. … Underneath this issue is a very powerful and aggressive moment. That movement is not a benevolent movement, it is a movement to seize by any means necessary the feeling and the mood of the day, to the point where the homosexual lifestyle becomes accepted as a norm in our society and is given full standing as any other lifestyle, as it relates to family. “
Love is more important than like and sin is sin. Satan wants wrong to look as right make sin allright.
I have no problem with Louie Giglio’s statement. Christ loves all but not the “Sin”.
FarTrain
January 10th, 2013
12:37 pm
Sounds like somebody didn’t do their homework alright, namely Jim Galloway! On the front page of his own paper, the AJC says he withdrew. Now which one is right. Was he dropped or did he withdraw? The right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing.
Rev Tim
January 10th, 2013
12:43 pm
Christians as a whole dont have antigay policies. Many Methodist, Lutheran, and Episcopal Priest have no issues with gays, there is a whole denomination that ministers to the gay community, Metropolitan Community Churches. I personally find it offensive that those hate mongers out there have hijacked my faith and pretend they have a clue as to what God thinks. That you know the heart of God, the arrogance! The bible only discusses homosexual rape, read the scriptures in context, and Jesus never mentioned it. Paul only refers to it in the context of unbridled lust, and he also calls out straight folks in the same passage, using the same words. So this whole argument is about a bunch of men who are afraid of homosexuality, who are so wrapped up in their fears that they will make stuff up about God to justify their fear and loathing. Loathing, fear, disdain, hatred, none of theses is love. And this whole marriage thing is funny. You act like since the beginning of time marriage has been one man and one woman. NOT TRUE! someone made mention like polygamy was next or some asinine comment such, polygamy is what everyone in the old testament and most of the new testament practiced. Our version is very new. And also is NOT God’s definition (historically). I know those of you who know everything will take offense to this post, but if it makes you think…I done what I’ve been called to do.
RGB
January 10th, 2013
12:48 pm
The Obama administration wants a pastor who is a Christian who says homosexuality is OK.
And just recently, they aligned themselves with anti-Second Amendment individuals who routinely hire security personnel who protect their clients with handguns–not to mention his own security detail.
Before that, the Obama Administration found allies who denounced those who “don’t pay their fair share” of taxes who, of course, don’t pay taxes.
Obama desires a cloak of respectability without actually having the substance that makes one respectable. Hypocrisy personified. Obama’s substance is a paper-thin, almost translucent, veneer. Ditto for his followers. In the end, neither the followers nor ordinary Americans will benefit, only the one who “rules”.
FarTrain
January 10th, 2013
12:59 pm
Obama is nothing more than a self-serving, egotistical, arrogant, pompous person who is the closest thing to a dictator this country has ever witnessed. Jimmy Carter is still buying up all the “Thank You” cards he can get his hands on and sending them to BO. Those who voted for him, and support him, will regret doing so after these 4 yrs. are over, and should be the ones who suffer the most. You will have deserved it. I am not usually one to say, “I told you so”, but I did inform ye thusly.
Tim j dong
January 10th, 2013
1:04 pm
I can’t wait til’ the Drug Addicts start shoving their immorality, venom & hate down our throats like these homosexually obsessed bloggers do, this country will b such a better place. This is a MORAL issue. Face it, you’re not born gay. There’s just too much evidence the other way – Elton John, Anne Heche, Lindsay Lohan, Cinthia Nixon, M. Stipe, Ricky Martin – all ur posterboys (& girls) are flip-floppers! Do what u do n private, but don’t demonize the rest of us b/c we don’t agree w/ Dung-Hole Worship.
Tim j dong
January 10th, 2013
1:04 pm
And ‘gay’ is about the worst misnomer I could possibly think of. I mean how many ‘happy’ 50-60 somethings, homosexual men do you know? Most (in fact all of MY friends that age) are totally miserable & depressed because their ‘community’ has totally shunned them. The young bucks detest them & just want them to go away. They are totally alone. I wish it wasn’t so, but the homosexual lifestyle is an unfortunate, lonely trap. There’s no pot of gold
Be Reasonable
January 10th, 2013
1:08 pm
@Danny-X and Good,
If you ask most Christian pastors, I am sure they would say divorce is wrong also. I am fairly certain none of them would say divorce is good. By the same token, I would say Christ loves the divorced just the same as he loves gays.
Thinking something is wrong is not the same as hating people who do it. If you ask me if going 80 mph on I-285 is wrong, I will say yes. Does that infer that I hate all the “speeders” in the world?
Also, please be aware that the Bible is split into before and after Christ. Before Christ, the Jewish law was the standard. After Christ, He became the standard. Many things in the Old Testament that were prohibited under Jewish law are no longer forbidden according to Christ. So instead of saying “The Bible is against it”, the question to Christians is, “Is Christ against it”. So things like types of thread or cloth are no longer applicable.
I know I am a sinner also. I don’t view my sins as any less than those of others, including gays and lesbians. Christ loves and and accepts all who come to him. I wish all would accept him. But I don’t hate others who choose not to.
Stephen
January 10th, 2013
1:14 pm
America has truly become Sodom and Gomorrah.
Elliot Garcia
January 10th, 2013
1:16 pm
the gays are taking over!
Rob
January 10th, 2013
1:16 pm
So, inclusion and diversity of opinion only matter if the opinion agrees with the person hosting the event. Regardless of Mister Obama’s beliefs, the United States is founded freedom of speech and belief. The probably is the liberal media think tank and Hollywood media have drummed and numbed society into believing that the only opinion or thought that matters is theirs. This includes you, Mister Galloway.
Mister Giglio is not a bigot. He has a belief that this issue is morally wrong. He’s not advocating exclusion or hatred.
Mark my words, the day will come when this country founded by Christians no longer welcomes them but punishes them.
Elliot Garcia
January 10th, 2013
1:16 pm
the gays are taking over!
TJSwift
January 10th, 2013
1:17 pm
Pffft.
Leftists are all for diversity, just as long as it doesn’t run counter to their groupthink.
Kevin
January 10th, 2013
1:19 pm
Why is it that someone is considered controversial only if they advocate for heterosexuals and not for homosexuals? So much for tolerance, eh?
Joshua Barlowe
January 10th, 2013
1:23 pm
Those who preach tolerance (liberals) should be the first to practice it.
Funny how that never happens. No one is allowed to disagree with them on anything.
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Bob Dylan
January 10th, 2013
1:24 pm
Your old road is rapidly aging. Please, get out of the one if you can’t lend a hand.
Jon Lester
January 10th, 2013
1:24 pm
I hope I live long enough to see an inauguration that doesn’t try to be anything more than the Constitution requires of it.
Concrusher
January 10th, 2013
1:24 pm
Republican Talipbaptists, they aren’t just for breakfast anymore.
Liberalism is a mental disorder
January 10th, 2013
1:24 pm
Any Pastor or so called Christian that conducts gay marriages is a Christian in name ONLY. The Bible could not be more clear on the issue.
BTW Christian therapy is not aimed at “converting” homosexuals. It is aimed at healing the hurts and scars from their past that creates same sex attrations.
USMC2841
January 10th, 2013
1:25 pm
This man taught from the Bible. If you disagree take it up with the author. Which if any of the amendments to the Constitution do liberals want to keep? 1 is out with forcing the Church to cover contraception and accept homosexuality. 2 is under attack by people who are well protected by the same guns they intend to ban. 4 has been crucified by The Patriot Act. 13 is null and void as soon as I have to work at the point of a government gun so someone else can benefit from my labor. If you allow any of these to be taken they will take them all.
Don't Tread
January 10th, 2013
1:29 pm
Maybe they’ll nominate some nice Imam in his place. Oh wait…they don’t like homosexuals either. Guess they’ll have to go with an atheist and a “Mother Earth” speech.
Concrusher
January 10th, 2013
1:30 pm
The similarities between the Talibaptists and Muslims are striking.
Real Athens
January 10th, 2013
1:30 pm
Texas Peter:
You know what’s the worst thing about Texas?
Texans.
Edward
January 10th, 2013
1:31 pm
Tim j dong: do you kiss your children with that lying, nasty mouth? You’re so full of #^&* you should wipe your mouth with toilet paper. You ignorant fools are on the wrong side of history yet again. Good riddance to your kind when you die out.
Don't Tread
January 10th, 2013
1:32 pm
USMC:
The 5th, of course! They wear that one out.
As far as the others, there’s a good chance that you’ll have to fight for them. (Again.)
R.T.
January 10th, 2013
1:33 pm
Last time I checked, Jesus didnt argue about the Bible. Just Read it, Understand it, and don’t pollute it with your misinformed and unwavering ignorance. Thank You…..And God Bless America.
Truth
January 10th, 2013
1:34 pm
Please remember this from the article:
Repeatedly in the sermon, Giglio urged congregants to welcome gays and lesbians to the church and says God loves them.
Hate the Sin & Love the Sinner.
asdf
January 10th, 2013
1:34 pm
if we’re really going to cite the old testament, we should acknowledge the differences between what was commanded to set israel apart, and what is commanded to honor God. There is a reason that much of the stuff in the old covenant wasn’t mandated in the epistles.
Johnny
January 10th, 2013
1:37 pm
So, Obama and his campaign didn’t want people to judge him because of his actions 15-20 years go with Mr. Ayers. But, it is ok to use comments from someone else 20 years ago against them. Hmmm?
Snoopy1
January 10th, 2013
1:40 pm
It seems a lot of the commenters didn’t read carefully that the PASTOR pulled out on his own. HE made the decision to not accept to appear to not have the “message” overshadowed by other’s agenda! The president’s committee didn’t make the decision. With that said gay or straight, it should have been about diversity not “sexuality” or a stupid comment this pastor made TWO decades ago.
Sam Mathew
January 10th, 2013
1:42 pm
God loves all. But in marriage, it was clearly stated by the same person that it should be in between a man and a woman, then multiply. I am not at all judging the homosexuals, I love them. Which religion in the world teach same-sex marriage? Not a single religion in the world. The word
“marriage” may be taken out of the dictionary later on if the events are moving in this direction. In the national
Cathedral, the Episcopal Church is going to conduct the first homosexual marriage. When I met a group of ladies from Holland at the Bahrain airport in 1999, they were returning from Sri. Lanka. In our talk, they said in one voice ” we don’t need GOD’s help, we know, how to handle our affairs”. If the Creator is irreverent, then everybody has the right to create their own moral and spiritual laws!
Craig
January 10th, 2013
1:45 pm
Jesus warned “you will be persecuted if your are my disciple” Jesus said homosexuals were not going to make it into heaven. His disciples, those of us who learn from him, believe the same. Persecution? We ain’t seen nothin’ yet. It will come and it will separate the sheep from the goats. You comfortable, groovy, cool Christians better count the cost.
Anonymous
January 10th, 2013
1:53 pm
“What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us!?” -Romans 8:31
JSH
January 10th, 2013
1:55 pm
What inauguration, I don’t have a president.
Real Athens
January 10th, 2013
1:55 pm
Marine:
Forcing the church to cover contraception is a grossly overreaching idea. I haven’t seen any condoms in the collection plate. Last time I checked, the Gun Lobby has their fair share of new, GOP recruits worried about the pendulum swing and their re-electability. Oh, and please elaborate how “libs” are responsible for the Patriot Act?
Fenton Hardy
January 10th, 2013
1:56 pm
All the postings from the “Christians” makes me glad I’m an agnostic. What a pack of fools. Word of God – BS. No one here knows the word of God. The Bible was written by men.
Real Athens
January 10th, 2013
1:58 pm
Craig:
“Jesus said homosexuals were not going to make it into heaven”
I’d be interested in reading Jesus’ reference to homosexuality. You won’t find one.
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
1:58 pm
“But in marriage, it was clearly stated by the same person that it should be in between a man and a woman, then multiply. I am not at all judging the homosexuals, I love them. ”
I’m not judging divorce, but Jesus clearly states that it is almost always never allowed. When it is allowed adultery in the marriage occurred. Re-marriage laws are also ignored. Now seeing how over 50% of all Christian divorces end in divorce proves that there is an awful lot of sin being ignored in southern churches.
2 people inside a church of God, in a ceremony performed by a “man of God” leader, swear “until death do us part,” only to get divorced a few years later, some even remarry in the same church.
Maybe good Christians should do a little research on what traditional marriage really is. Now I don’t hate divorced people, love the person, hate the sin. Isn’t that how it goes?
Gays should fear your God when the people that fill your pews do.
Real Athens
January 10th, 2013
2:00 pm
Because you voted for a different candidate you “don’t have a President.” Really? Do share your toys with other children? Can anyone play in your sandbox?
Atlanta Pastor Dumped from Inaugural Address » btweenus.com
January 10th, 2013
2:02 pm
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Cammi317
January 10th, 2013
2:03 pm
Who are these lifeless beings who scour the internet looking for controversial remarks? Their lives must be soooooo sad. Who gives a flying flip about something someone said 20 years ago. I didn’t like a lot of things and people 20 years ago that I like today. If he said it last week that is one thing, but 20 years ago? This is so incredibly stupid.
DHD
January 10th, 2013
2:04 pm
it is only a matter of time that the Bible will be taken away from the “swearing in” ceremony due to it’s offensive content. That’s how the left rolls.
ashleybrown
January 10th, 2013
2:08 pm
I wonder how Obama’s muslim friends are going to feel about him taking an oath on a Christian bible??? Is this hypocrisy since Obama himself declared to be a muslim in a speech he gave a few years ago.
dawggirl
January 10th, 2013
2:09 pm
So if you’re a woman hating, white hating, America hating rapper you are welcome at the White House, but if you dare to express your Biblical belief about homosexuality then you can’t be a part of their party. That is about par for the course with the administration.
He Was and Is a big nobody anyway.....
January 10th, 2013
2:11 pm
No real loss – he is a big nobody anyway!
Serious Robuck
January 10th, 2013
2:12 pm
If we shouldn’t condemn the intolerant, may we criticize their intolerance?
david c
January 10th, 2013
2:12 pm
Actually, he withdrew. Which in and of itself is worse. He had a chance to renounce his views. Instead he decided to withdraw so as not to draw attention to The Agenda.
cats hav fleas 2
January 10th, 2013
2:12 pm
Bigger loss for Obama than for Giglio. Maybe Rev. Wright is still available?
jimmie
January 10th, 2013
2:13 pm
Hats off to the pastor. Get as far away from that serpent of evil called obama as you possibly can…god will reward you for speaking the truth..
Foxy
January 10th, 2013
2:14 pm
Hey FRED who posted at 11:56…………………..Why do you liberals always say tht anyone who disagrees with your thinking is a FOXBOT? Do you really think Jamey Fox is a FOXBOT? He thinks Obama is the messiah!
Cindy
January 10th, 2013
2:16 pm
Diversity means including those who don’t all think the same—-but it does not apply to anyone who takes an opposting view to the homosexual agenda.
bwell
January 10th, 2013
2:18 pm
You know that is bull! Twenty years ago! Really…. If they are gay and dont have God and dont change then God will judge them and decide. America is so screwed up. Our country is founded on Judea Christianity. The problem is AMERICA want to live any kind of way and put God second. America has become a pagan nation. Wonder why we have so much killings and crazy stuff going on in America. It want stop till America recongize God. Instead of God bless you and God bless America” America need to bless God!
david c
January 10th, 2013
2:21 pm
“Our country is founded on Judea Christianity.”
No it’s not.
Katie
January 10th, 2013
2:22 pm
@Fresh Autumn,
To say that Louie has a hate for human beings is absolutely wrong. He has a love for Jesus. I happily attend his church and love his messages. Just because you love Jesus doesn’t mean you hate humanity.
kingsfoil
January 10th, 2013
2:23 pm
GOOD said at 11:45am: “No place in society for his kind of hate-fueled, outdated, uneducated bigotry. Evolve and treat others as you would have them treat you. Learn to acutally follow teaching in your own religion and stop shoving it down the throats of others”
Except that the clear implications of evolutionary theory do not teach to “treat others as you would have them treat you.” Jesus did/does. Evolution (basically your only option if you don’t believe in creation)says that its my reproductive prowess that in the end is the most “important” thing for the continued survival of my genes—something that homosexual acts don’t promote. So maybe it’s the believers in evolution who are actually not staying true to their own belief system when they promote/condone homosexuality.
Bubba Bean
January 10th, 2013
2:23 pm
So, if you practice homosexuality you have been born that way? Wow, who would have guessed that out of the general population, so many genetic homosexuals would be in prison.
Think about it. . . .
gobbloedegoop
January 10th, 2013
2:24 pm
HEY M…I NOW FEEL A LOT BETTER ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO SHELLFISH.
Olderandwiser49
January 10th, 2013
2:25 pm
Sounds like this pastor was just too honest to be associated with this corrupt administration. Being dumped by Obama is a sign that you are doing something right!
2 CENTS WORTH
January 10th, 2013
2:26 pm
GUESS WE COULD GET AN EPISCOPAL PRICE TO FILL IN.
Buckhead Benny
January 10th, 2013
2:27 pm
I am spiritual but the more I have gotten spiritual and the more of the bible I have read- Jesus never once mentioned anything about homosexuality- The two greatest commandments centered around love- Love your neighbor, and love your lord with all of your heart- That was very onorthodox back in the day since there were almost 700 commandments- but I don’t think that was by accident Jesus saying those were the greatest because a lot of condemnation centers around hate of others and since you aren’t like me I don’t like that. Hence, why you see others that frown about christianity- It wasn’t until I started going to Buckhead Church Andy Stanley never says a word about it- Jesus didn’t either though-
If you want to pull out the bible ranks- I will one up most of these hypocrites on these blogs don’t even read the bible for if you ever read the book of Leviticus I doubt anyone in their right mind would endorse those believes in today’s society jewish or christian-
Anybody think we should still think we should sacrifice animals to atone for our sins? Our does anyone think we should stone others when they committ crimes?
Holy Spirit will change or not change others not people, fyi.
jimmie
January 10th, 2013
2:27 pm
Now there is no reason whatsoever to even contemplate watching any part of the inauguration of lucifer.
david c
January 10th, 2013
2:28 pm
Prison Sex and being Homosexual are two different things entirely. Just as Rape isn’t about sex.
ROTFLMFAO
January 10th, 2013
2:28 pm
Rev. Giglio should be allowed to deliver the benediction, but only with Rev. Jeremiah Wright standing by his side!
jimmie
January 10th, 2013
2:28 pm
I believe that if God can’t change the evil ways of men (and women) that society is better off without them..yes..
Bobsie
January 10th, 2013
2:30 pm
“To be accurate, the Bible condemns homosexuality.”
To be even more accurate, the Bible condems receiving or paying interest on money. So, what ya goin’ to do now???
JSH
January 10th, 2013
2:30 pm
REAL ATHENS – We got us a card carrying government check getter here.
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
January 10th, 2013
2:33 pm
Even foxes without tails have teeth.
MB
January 10th, 2013
2:33 pm
It amazes me how ignorant some are on this board… If you are a believer in Christ and believe that the Bible is the infallible, inherent word of God then you understand that homosexuality is a sin. Just read Romans 1:26 – 32. Homosexuality is a choice, someone is not born that way.
Why do people love sin…
ROTFLMFAO
January 10th, 2013
2:35 pm
Fenton – yes the Bible was written by men. Men who were inspired by God to write the word written by them. See ya in Hell, Agnostic.
And, “There are no aethists in foxholes”
Ernie Pyle
Brandon
January 10th, 2013
2:39 pm
Anyone who quotes a Bible that uses the word “homosexual” is using a bad translation. The concept of homosexuality as we understand it today didn’t even exist until the 1800s, and wasn’t widely accepted until a century later. The Bible can’t say anything about homosexuality as we know it today because the original authors had no understanding of it–much like the Bible can’t tell you anything about gravity, the combustion engine, or an iPhone.
In the proper context, the Bible condemns pagan temple rituals that involve same-sex behavior. It condemns promiscuous same-sex activity in the same ways it condemns promiscuous heterosexual activity. It condemns same-sex activity that involves an exchange of money (a.k.a. prostitution). It condemns same-sex activities that occur as a sign of dominance or power (which was a common practice when armies won battles in those days to humiliate and dominate the losing side).
But the Bible never once comes close to condemning a committed, loving relationship between two people of the same sex. And it’s time you evangelicals accepted that. It’s only a matter of time until we look back and view this type of bigotry as being just as disgraceful as the bigotry against interracial couples.
Rebel Yell
January 10th, 2013
2:41 pm
Homosexuality is a choice. Y’all know it. You won’t ever admit it, but you know it. Often a form of rebellion. But ya know, all sin is rebellion against God. We are all guilty. But we can all be saved by the blood of Jesus. He died to pay for all of our sins, and He was resurrected! Accepting Jesus as Savior and Lord is the only way to restore fellowship with our Creator. The Holy Spirit will live in you and guide you in this life until we join our Father in Heaven. Thats the truth in a nutshell. I’ve seen alcoholics healed, addicts reborn, gays made straight, adulterers reformed, criminals become productive members of society. I know God is real!
John
January 10th, 2013
2:44 pm
Don’t you just love the liberal double-standard! They accuse Christians, like Louie Giglio, of not being “tolerant” of homosexuality. However, they themselves are not able to tolerate an opposing viewpoint to the extent that they want Louie banned from the ceremony. I mean, after all, that was the reason they dug up the sermon…to have him excluded. This not America. We’re slowly, but surely, losing our soul.
huh
January 10th, 2013
2:44 pm
I think that his anti-slavery is against homosexuals too…that should count for something
JSH
January 10th, 2013
2:45 pm
Brandon’s been drinking the koolaid. Redbirds don’t go with bluebird’s because God made it that way. End of story.
jimmie
January 10th, 2013
2:46 pm
God, make Atlanta the next Saddam and D.C. the next Gomarroh
Rebel Yell
January 10th, 2013
2:47 pm
Brandon,
Where in the Bible is a loving same sex relationship mentioned? Where are the passages referring to the Temple rituals or other examples you referenced? What commentary or Bible Study are you using?
Larry Hatcher
January 10th, 2013
2:48 pm
This is one of this nations problems and not just gays.Our society has started to do and condone any and everything regarding sex.Its shown on TV 24/7.
We have these games where the object is to kill as many people as possible but we want to blame the gun when mentally challenged people go and do exactly what they do online all day.
I don’t claim to know the answer to stopping crazy people from killing people but morality would be a good place to start.Having two parent families ,but that comes under what i have already said about sex.
Hil
January 10th, 2013
2:48 pm
GOOD…. the most corrupt Adm EVER.
Bob the Builder
January 10th, 2013
2:48 pm
So which side is, in your opinion, the “wrong side” there Mr. Galloway. If you think we might be “penalized”, it would be good to know.
Patriot
January 10th, 2013
2:48 pm
I’m disappointed that someone who calls himself a Christian pastor would have agreed to do this in the first place. My daughter attended a funeral at his church recently, and he used the funeral as a platform to promote his “Passion” conference that generated millions. Folks, look at the actions of these people.
Buckhead Benny
January 10th, 2013
2:50 pm
Read Levitus- Levitcus chapter 21 verse 9- Do you think that would happen today? Burning your daughter because she acts like a +ore?
Just saying
sean
January 10th, 2013
2:52 pm
I’m so disgusted by the Passion City Church abomination that was built on the old Golf Superstore on Garson Drive in Buckhead. We already have dozens of churches in Buckhead. South Buckhead desperately needed something like a supermarket or a movie theater or a bookstore. Instead they catered to the religious nut jobs and built a facility that’s used only 1 day a week. Unreal.
TBone
January 10th, 2013
2:52 pm
Our strength and diversity only matter up to a point. If you follow Jesus Christ then forget about it. This homosexual thing is but a means to an end, Giglio is evangelical and to the current regime that is a very bad thing. This country can no longer find its way home.
Quagimre
January 10th, 2013
2:55 pm
At President’s inauguration, Governor Romney……………………oh wait, SIKE. He lost, so stop complaining about what the winner will do at his inauguration……………
Come back in 4 years and use the souther strategy like last time and see what happens again.
td
January 10th, 2013
2:56 pm
Sodomy is a sin according to the bible. This preacher has a job and a calling to teach the bible. This is just another example of the left wanting to silence people that do not agree with their views.
Starik
January 10th, 2013
2:56 pm
So here we are arguing about a religious ceremony at our Presidential inauguration. Why not skip it?
Virginia
January 10th, 2013
2:59 pm
Andrew Young would be a wonderful choice for this role. Like President Obama, he is a member of the Congregational Church, he is an ordained minister, and his fulfilling the role carried out by Joseph Lowry at Obama’s first inauguration would be a fitting tribute to those who led and continue to lead in the area of civil rights.
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
January 10th, 2013
3:00 pm
This is not a “left” issue. America is “left” by covenant and individual sovereignty’s union of the individual and the Creator, if wished. This is a matter of holiness and righteousness and a rejection of the Risen Babylon so apparent in our society and around the world.
aziolko
January 10th, 2013
3:01 pm
Not everyone believes in the Bible. I do, but I know a lot of people who have religions that are not based on the Bible. So in defense of their freedom of religion, where do ministers come off thinking everyone bases their morals on the Christians’ set of beliefs?
Elisha
January 10th, 2013
3:03 pm
Big surprise! Obama worships at the altar of Big Government and by no means the altar of Jesus Christ. While Jesus loved all he did not approve all behavior and know calling sin a sin is not hate – Jesus did the same thing.
Very Sad Day
January 10th, 2013
3:03 pm
We’re there now. the USA is no better than France, Chad, Myanmar or any other morally-void weasel nation. Enjoy the stench.
Cherokee
January 10th, 2013
3:03 pm
td sodomy is defined in Isaiah as being inhospitable to others.
Biblically, it has nothing to do with homosexuality.
Cherokee
January 10th, 2013
3:06 pm
And Jesus said that divorce and remarriage was adultery.
wonder why all you self appointed followers of Jesus tolerate all the divorced and remarried people sitting in the pews of your churches every Sunday.
SoGaBoy
January 10th, 2013
3:08 pm
his actions in office proves he needs the koran, not a Bible, for the ceremony. he doesnt even know whats in the Bible much less tries to apply it.
God isn't listening any way
January 10th, 2013
3:09 pm
Doesn’t really matter. As long as Obama is president and chooses not to repent of his ways then God isn’t listening any way. Grab your Bible and look it up. This country is unfortunately doomed but in the end it doesn’t really matter, because the One True God will still be glorified.
Hell is for real or Jesus Christ was a liar.
I’ve made my choice in this regards now you choose. Was He a liar?
Obama isn't a President
January 10th, 2013
3:22 pm
Paster Giglio preached what GOD taught. Liberals are the ones who don’t accept others views. Give me a break, for years liberals try to state conservatives and reglious leaders are not accepting. The liberals are clear. Agree with us or your not welcomed. Looks like DC will be full of liberals on inaguration day. And that does not represent the diversity of America!
Don Abernethy
January 10th, 2013
3:22 pm
The Bible says by their fruit you will know them. Obama’s acceptance of homosexuality is a clear indication he is not a born again Christian who believes the Bible and God. He is bound for hell unless he changes his ways. But God is the only one who can judge him and he will be judged by every word that comes out of his mouth.
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
3:22 pm
Divorce is a CHOICE! God created “Adam and Eve” NOT “Adam and Eve, then Adam and Marianne, then Adam and Calista!!!
Jesus said God Hates divorce, Grab your Bible and look it up!!!!. What do you not understand? Its “Until death do you part” NOT “Until the next bimbo!”!!!
Divorce will one day lead to human+animal marriage then human+animal divorce!!!!
Hell is for real or Jesus Christ was a liar. This country is doomed!!!! REPENT!!!!
Buckhead Boy
January 10th, 2013
3:25 pm
Atlantan: “Just hope the Obama supporters all get to experience the consequences of their vote in November.”
Thank you. With my invitations to the Inauguration, Commander-in-Chief’s Ball and reception with new Democratic Senators, I’m ready to experience — again. And, I could care less if the mythology would be delivered in Homeric Greek by an actor wearing a Doric chiton. Come to think of it, I suspect that most of the founding fathers would find that entirely appropriate and most entertaining.
123
January 10th, 2013
3:28 pm
“The Bible says by their fruit you will know them.”
Based on what you post on these blogs, you better take some suntan lotion where you are going
td
January 10th, 2013
3:29 pm
Cherokee
January 10th, 2013
3:03 pm
td sodomy is defined in Isaiah as being inhospitable to others.
Biblically, it has nothing to do with homosexuality.
You are either kidding or you have not actually read the bible:
“Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground. And he said, ‘Here now, my lords, please turn in to your servant’s house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way.’ . . . so they (the two angels) turned in to him (Lot) and entered his house . . .
“Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot and said to him, ‘Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.’ So Lot went out to them through the doorway, shut the door behind him, and said, ‘Please, my brethren, DO NOT DO SO WICKEDLY!’ ” (Genesis 19:1-7, NKJV throughout)
“If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them . . . . If a man mates with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. If a woman approaches any animal and mates with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood is upon them.” (Leviticus 20:13, 15-16)
“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion.” (Leviticus 18:22-23)
Romans 1:24-28
King James Version (KJV)
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
G'Vegas Dawg
January 10th, 2013
3:35 pm
I agree with pastor Giglio in his comments. I feel that homosexuality is wrong in the eyes of The Lord. However, I choose not to judge becuase I know that they will face the untimate judgement one day as will abortionist and other murderers. I also think that the government stepping into gay marriage is not the right thing to do as there is never and will never be such thing as”gay marriage”. Marriage is a biblical term and the definition is a union between man and woman. Therefore, it’s not possible to have a “gay marriage”. There can be a gay union or a gay partnership, but, there will never be a gay marriage. There is way too many things plaguing our country right now than to waste time debating something as this.
Terry Graham
January 10th, 2013
3:35 pm
Diversity means everybody comes together, whether we agree or not. I do not agree with sin, but don’t get mad at me, because you agree with sin. Sin is sin, is sin.
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
January 10th, 2013
3:37 pm
As Americans it isn’t about “the Bible,” it’s about Truth, Justice, and Reason. Each must work out his or her own salvation as sovereign individuals and sectarian factionalism is treason in our credal civil religion as there is but a single Creator, G-d of the universe.
E
January 10th, 2013
3:37 pm
Good. How can we ever heal as a nation and ever come together for the good of all of us if there’s someone like that involved in the Inauguration? His words clearly speak for themselves.
That being said, whatever happened to separation of church and state? Religion, regardless of whose IT is, should not be involved in the first place. Instead of being sworn in using a Bible, Mr. Obama should place his hand on a copy of the Constitution. After all, he’s promising to uphold the Constitution, nother the Bible or any other religious text, for that matter.
bh
January 10th, 2013
3:38 pm
who writes the headlines for the ajc? these comments are not “controversial”. they are comments that any tru Christian pastor would make. they are based on the bible. it is funny that in America, society demands “tolerance” for every group under the sun except Christians.
globeflyer
January 10th, 2013
3:38 pm
If you take the religion out of it, homosexuality has to be a choice or it would have disappeared via Darwin’s “natural selection”. Since two of the same gender cannot normally reproduce, how else could it have continued? It couldn’t. You could argue that the “attraction”,or curiosity, is there, but it would not be self-sustaining. Whether you agree that the choice is a “sin” or not is up to you. Just sayin’…..
td
January 10th, 2013
3:40 pm
E
January 10th, 2013
3:37 pm
Good. How can we ever heal as a nation and ever come together for the good of all of us if there’s someone like that involved in the Inauguration? His words clearly speak for themselves.
The other side of that question could be how can we ever heal as a nation and come together before all sinners repent and come to God since we are a nation based on the Christianity.
another voice
January 10th, 2013
3:42 pm
Suggestion…..why not a rabbi for the prayer? Or maybe a clergyperson of another faith? Better yet, the pastor of my local church would be great. He serves in a southern church like Giglio (though he is a transplant from the midwest). Like Giglio, he is a white male. He is not well known like Giglio, but is much beloved by his congregants and well respected in the community. He ministers to the least, the lost, the oppressed. He is engaged in interfaith ministries and practices tolerance. He loves and accepts others, no matter who they are, with the unconditional love of Jesus.
Angela Johnson
January 10th, 2013
3:43 pm
And we wonder why we are under the judgment of God, with the carnage spread throughout this country, devastating storms (Sandy, Katrina), flu and west nile virus all over this country and our dire economic situation. This is a wake up call. Get it together America!
E
January 10th, 2013
3:44 pm
No we’re not. Our country was founded on freedom of religion, meaning that one has the freedom to choose a religion, or not.
abc
January 10th, 2013
3:44 pm
I suppose they could get an openly gay ordained Episcopalian minister, or ELCA pastor, or someone like that; but I daresay the viewership of the inauguration would fall off pretty steeply if they did.
lomax
January 10th, 2013
3:45 pm
Silly Rabbits… D*ckt are for chicks
lomax
January 10th, 2013
3:46 pm
Homo* and Non believers will go straight to Hell.. we both know deep inside…
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
3:49 pm
“And we wonder why we are under the judgment of God, with the carnage spread throughout this country, devastating storms (Sandy, Katrina), flu and west nile virus all over this country and our dire economic situation. This is a wake up call. Get it together America!”
Exactly, thousands of divorces a year are causing these catastrophes!!
STOP DIVORCING!!!! Before it’s too late!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
3:51 pm
“Homo* and Non believers will go straight to Hell.. we both know deep inside…”
Divorced people aren’t off the hook!
Divorced people and non-believers are going straight to HELL!!!!
Divorce is a CHOICE!!!!!!!!!!
AnnoyRedNecksVoteObama
January 10th, 2013
3:52 pm
I believe a fictional book written expressly by humans in order to control the weak minded thousands of years ago is the whole and complete truth. I just wanted to come on here and say how stupid everyone else is that doesn’t agree with me, and explain to them that my all loving god is going to condemn them to burn for all eternity. Because he loves you, thats why.
AnnoyRedNecksVoteObama
January 10th, 2013
3:56 pm
headline: Inaugaration dumps pastor
next headline: Pastor pulls out
typical liberal media trying to make other liberals look bad.
k483
January 10th, 2013
3:57 pm
Pastors have been, and always should be, free from the current social trends–free to call sin, sin; adultery, adultery. We as a nation will be doomed once they are compelled, either by law or by political correctness, to conform with moral appetites of the day.
AnnoyRedNecksVoteObama
January 10th, 2013
4:02 pm
“If you take the religion out of it, homosexuality has to be a choice or it would have disappeared via Darwin’s “natural selection”. Since two of the same gender cannot normally reproduce, how else could it have continued?”
An evolutionary biologist, you are not.
AnnoyRedNecksVoteObama
January 10th, 2013
4:04 pm
If your dumb (or scared) enough to believe in god, then your dumb (or scared) enough to believe “conservatives”
Hugh Jass
January 10th, 2013
4:05 pm
Does the Bible say Adam and Eve or Adam and Steve? Just sayin’
Jamal
January 10th, 2013
4:06 pm
Obama could give a rats ass about gays. He was simply pandering for votes. Come on America….are you that dumb?
kgray
January 10th, 2013
4:06 pm
The President has to inclusive of everyone not just Christians alone, but everyone just as Jesus was inclusive of everyone. I’m not personally for same sex marriage; because it goes against God’s word. However, if any of you had a gay child, I’m sure your love for that child wouldn’t deminish because he or she was gay. Let’s love me to the church and allow the holy spirit do the conviction and not man.
kgray
January 10th, 2013
4:08 pm
Jamal, I guess you felt that Romney gave a rat’s behind about people who are poor and of the least of these?
Scrivener
January 10th, 2013
4:14 pm
In re: kgray: “Jamal, I guess you felt that Romney gave a rat’s behind about people who are poor and of the least of these?”
Yes, he absolutely does. He’s done extensive mission work and has personally helped many, many people who were in need. Do a Google search. It’s not that hard. Really.
Cemetris Hampton
January 10th, 2013
4:15 pm
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Footnotes:
1 Corinthians 6:9 The words men who have sex with men translate two Greek words that refer to the passive and active participants in homosexual acts.
Rick
January 10th, 2013
4:17 pm
Why Giglio would allow himself to be used by these infidels was beyond me anyway. Guess tolerance only works in their favor.
kerryb
January 10th, 2013
4:28 pm
Scrivener
January 10th, 2013
4:14 pm
In re: kgray: “Jamal, I guess you felt that Romney gave a rat’s behind about people who are poor and of the least of these?”
Yes, he absolutely does. He’s done extensive mission work and has personally helped many, many people who were in need. Do a Google search. It’s not that hard. Really.
____________________________________________________________________
You are absolutely right. He has spent more time and especially money helping the poor on his own than the guy who thinks he is our supreme leader.
ATLJacket
January 10th, 2013
4:32 pm
Prayer has no business at a government function anyways.
you can't fix stupid or Democrats
January 10th, 2013
4:33 pm
Being “GAY” is sin and this is what Jesus said will happen to those who practice sexual sins
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.
8 But the cowardly, unbelieving,[e] abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Political correctness is for the spineless
January 10th, 2013
4:35 pm
Rick Warren never said he was for gay marriage. It is so unfortunate to see how do many people with distort the truth which is the bible! America should never condon gay marriage as our country was built on a biblical basis. So thankful that I was raised by Christian parents!
KiKi
January 10th, 2013
4:37 pm
WOW! Chaos and confusion reigns. The foolish opinions of man will expire when a man expires. In contrast, the word of God will last forever. Like it or not, God is God. What He says is the law. Reject Him and He will reject you. Thumb your nose at Him and there will be forever consequences.
The bottom line is what will you do in the end!
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 10th, 2013
4:39 pm
obozo: Muslim Call to Prayer One of the Prettiest Sounds on Earth
[7:80] And We sent Lot as a Messenger: Remember that he said to his people, “Have you become so shameless that you commit such indecent acts as no one has committed before you in the world? [81] You gratify your lust with men instead of women: indeed you are a people who transgress the limits!” . . . [84] And We rained upon his people; then behold what happened in the end to the guilty ones! (Maududi, The Meaning of the Quran, vol. 2, p. 45)
hypocrite
td
January 10th, 2013
4:44 pm
you can’t fix stupid or Democrats
January 10th, 2013
4:33 pm
Being “GAY” is sin and this is what Jesus said will happen to those who practice sexual sins
Actually being gay is not a sin. It is the act of sodomy that is the sin. We as Christians should love all but hate sin.
Concerned
January 10th, 2013
4:47 pm
Why is the Obama administration so intent on shoving the homosexual agenda down our throats??? He has no regard for christian beliefs. Do I think Homos should be bashed in the head? No! Do I have to accept their lifestyle? No? What is Obamas agenda with this homosexual fettish? this goes way beyound their civil rights why is he so intent on shoving this agenda down our throats? Read your Bible! God Loves everyone…it is the sin in us he does not like and according to the judeo-christian bible …Homosexuality is a SIN!!!! Pure and Simple
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
4:48 pm
“So thankful that I was raised by Christian parents!”
Many people here were raised by Christian parents that ended up divorced. It is so unfortunate to see how do many people distort the truth which is the bible!
America should never condone divorce as our country was built on a biblical basis. We used to base our divorce laws on the Bible. The only state you could get a no-fault divorce was in Nevada. Now even our own state of Georgia has thrown out the Bible, allowing adultery to become normal.
What He says is the law. Reject Him and He will reject you. Thumb your nose at Him and there will be forever consequences. Stop divorcing Georgia!!!
Oh, and stop watching internet porn, another epidemic sweeping our so-called Christian state of Georgia.
Concerned
January 10th, 2013
4:50 pm
@far trin…I’m afraid your RIGHT!!!!
Concerned
January 10th, 2013
4:50 pm
I meant @far train…Yes you are right
Concerned
January 10th, 2013
4:54 pm
@jamel…the word in the black community upon Obama announcing he was for Gays was …what would you do for a Glondike bar… It should have been what would you sell your soul for in order for wordly gain…Obama his family are in my prayers..they need it!!!
melshop
January 10th, 2013
4:57 pm
Interesting that the media is only using the first part of Giglio’s comment on the matter…here’s the rest entire comment in context.
“The issue of homosexuality … is one of the most difficult our nation will navigate. However, individuals’ rights of freedom, and the collective right to hold differing views on any subject is a critical balance we, as a people, must recover and preserve,” he said. “As a pastor, my mission is to love people, and lead them well, while lifting up the name of Jesus above anything else. I’m confident that anyone who knows me or has listened to the multitude of messages I have given in the last decade would most likely conclude that I am not easily characterized as being opposed to people — any people. Rather, I am constantly seeking to understand where all people are coming from and how to best serve them as I point them to Jesus.”
The idea folks (and I am talking mostly to the unbelievers) is that we do love people – all people. We do want them in church because, for those troubled or in sin, that is where they need to be. However, that does not mean we have to conclude their sin (I’m speaking of any sin here) is acceptable to God. It’s not.
Yes, science has determined that genetics play a role in behavior a.k.a. sin. But the Bible already states that by declaring that sin passes down generations to generation. It is very specific about handle to break the cycle. Having a genetic component does not negate personal responsibility nor invalidate free will.
None of us can go to God for salvation unless we first repent of our sin. Repent means not only be regretful but also to turn away from it. The liar cannot become a Christian and continue in the life of lying. The prostitute cannot continue selling herself. And those who commit sexual sins (defined as any sex outside marriage, pornography and the like) cannot continue in that sin either.
Jesus said “Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more” when he saved the woman found in prostitution. That was meant for all of us – not just her.
No doubt some will have momentary failings. We all do in our individual sins. Thank God He doesn’t “unsave” us when those occur. But to live in a life of sin without change or repentance is to thumb your nose at God’s mercy and grace. It is to take lightly the sacrifice of Jesus’ death. And it also shows no confidence in His victory over sin by His victory over death in His resurrection.
That is the crux of the matter in this particular issue. Either we believe that Jesus can save us and help us conquer sin (any sin) or we don’t. That doesn’t mean the sin will suddenly disappear. It does for some, but some will have a battle with their particular sin the rest of their lives (a.k.a. Paul’s thorn in the flesh) but live daily in God’s grace as did Paul.
If we say this sin cannot be changed and therefore isn’t sin, we not only deny the Bible but deny the resurrection and the victory in it – that Jesus conquered the wages of sin which are death – therefore gives us victory over that sin.
Uh Huh.....You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
January 10th, 2013
4:57 pm
WHO?…Has the courage to “Love the sinner and hate the sin”?
Some people on this blog have committed unspeakable sins but
they want to condemn others.
God knows who THEY are.
Cherokee
January 10th, 2013
4:58 pm
td I’ve seen enough of your comments to realize that you are totally without any humility at all in your supposed understanding of the Bible.
As I said, Isaiah is very clear about the sin of Sodom. Try reading that before you let your haughtiness get in the way.
And as DannyX notes, Jesus called divorce and remarriage adultery – Paul said, in the Scriptures you quote – that adulterers will not see the Kingdom of Heaven.
So I ask you again, why are you so exercised about homosexuality, while you ignore the sin of adultery which fills the church pews of any evangelical church in America.
Jesus would call you and many of the posters here Pharisees and Sadduccees.
Democrats Are The Devils
January 10th, 2013
5:07 pm
Hosea 4:6
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge;
because you have rejected knowledge,
I reject you from being a priest to me.
And since you have forgotten the law of your God,
I also will forget your children.
td
January 10th, 2013
5:19 pm
Cherokee
January 10th, 2013
4:58 pm
“while you ignore the sin of adultery which fills the church pews of any evangelical church in America.”
Adultery is the same level of sin as sodomy. I have never said adultery is not a sin. Now DannyX and maybe you are trying to say that if people divorce and remarry then it is adultery. Well that my friend is not the case. You may want to read Deut 24 for a little more understanding. After you read and study this chapter then come back and we will talk.
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
5:20 pm
Democrats Are The Devils, what are your sins?
What laws of God have you forgotten?
Disgusted in Dekaln
January 10th, 2013
5:25 pm
It is our country’s loss that Louie isn’t speaking. He’s an awesome speaker and a wonderful human being. I can guarantee he has done more than enough good to outweigh an unpopular sermon from 20 years ago
The gay rights movement is almost Fascist in nature. They want everyone to recognize their rights but they denounce anyone who disagrees with them. We’re suppose to respect their ‘choice’ but they refuse to respect our opinion if it disagrees with theirs. Talk about hypocrits.
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
5:29 pm
“Now DannyX and maybe you are trying to say that if people divorce and remarry then it is adultery. Well that my friend is not the case. You may want to read Deut 24 for a little more understanding.”
A little more understanding?? Jesus himself gave new orders on divorce and explicitly stated that he was overriding any old divorce laws.
Matt 19:8 “”Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.”
Jesus overruled Moses. Stop trying to find silly waivers, td.
Post me
January 10th, 2013
5:32 pm
you right wingers are interpreting the bible to support your hatred and not feel bad about yourself. if it wasn’t in the bible you would find something else to “support your claim” so you could sleep at night
Post me
January 10th, 2013
5:34 pm
By the way, the evangelical christians are ruining the republican party. Other republicans across the country don’t agree with you and thus don’t vote like they used to because it is a win win for them. They view you at hate mongers that are weakening our party
Scrivener
January 10th, 2013
6:01 pm
Cherokee: “And as DannyX notes, Jesus called divorce and remarriage adultery – Paul said, in the Scriptures you quote – that adulterers will not see the Kingdom of Heaven.
So I ask you again, why are you so exercised about homosexuality, while you ignore the sin of adultery which fills the church pews of any evangelical church in America.”
Cherokee, in case you hadn’t noticed, homosexuality is the main theme of what this blog is about, so accusing someone of being “exercised” because they’re discussing it is absurd. And you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about when discussing the Bible as demonstrated in the remarks you’ve made. I suggest you Google Robert Gagnon who is an expert in the Bible and the ancient scripts and interpretations. And BTW, your repeatedly (and I DO mean repeatedly) bringing up divorce is another red herring. Divorce is another symptom of our fallen nature. Christians do NOT celebrate it and do NOT seek to bless it.
Jesus would call you and many of the posters here Pharisees and Sadduccees.
Democrats Are The Devils
January 10th, 2013
6:01 pm
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
5:20 pm
Democrats Are The Devils, what are your sins?
What laws of God have you forgotten?
not a one……
Scrivener
January 10th, 2013
6:03 pm
Oh, and that last sentence about Pharisees was not written by me but was a leftover from cut-and-paste of Cherokee’s post.
Democrats Are The Devils
January 10th, 2013
6:04 pm
the reading is in the puddin, dont get mad at me ! I dare you take it up with GOD !!!!!
td
January 10th, 2013
6:09 pm
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
5:29 pm
And Matt 19:9 says? How about Matt: 5:32?
Democrats Are The Devils
January 10th, 2013
6:13 pm
you have to admit the liberals goes against god laws more than anybody. they dont go for what christians stand for. and god laws ! they are changing them more and more. and when you do that, you will pay !!! see about, “I also will forget your children”……..
Democrats Are The Devils
January 10th, 2013
6:14 pm
see above…
Justified
January 10th, 2013
6:15 pm
Well,well, well let’s see take God out government , you get the Beast as the leader of most powerful country in the world take God out of schools and he quits fighting the Devil so why not let SATIN him selfs do do the ceremony witch lives in HOLLYWOOD
td
January 10th, 2013
6:16 pm
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
5:29 pm
BTW: In the Southern Baptist church if you are divorced you can not be in the leadership of the church (Pastor, Deacon…) so there is a consequence for a persons action or hardness of ones heart against the covenant made between a man and a woman before God.
Democrats Are The Devils
January 10th, 2013
6:19 pm
Justified
January 10th, 2013
6:15 pm
Well,well, well let’s see take God out government , you get the Beast as the leader of most powerful country in the world take God out of schools and he quits fighting the Devil so why not let SATIN him selfs do do the ceremony witch lives in HOLLYWOOD
td
January 10th, 2013
6:19 pm
Democrats Are The Devils
January 10th, 2013
6:13 pm
All you had to do was to watch the Democratic convention to see how far from God they are when they approved sodomy, murder of the innocent on demand and denied God three times.
You really can not be a Christian (IMHO) and be a democrat just from the platform.
1776
January 10th, 2013
6:21 pm
The article states “Giglio said “speaking on this issue has not been in the range of my priorities in the past 15 years.”…..I bet he hasn’t. That’s because he’s a compromiser that’s worried about filling pew seats, selling his books & making $$$. You can’t rake in the $$ with hard Bible preachin & “tickling ears”. Giglio watered down approach is exactly what’s wrong with many (so called) Christian churches these days. Preach God’s Word & let the chips fall where they may!
Democrats Are The Devils
January 10th, 2013
6:23 pm
Democrats Are The Devils
January 10th, 2013
6:13 pm
you have to admit the liberals goes against god laws more than anybody. they dont go for what christians stand for. and god laws ! they are changing them more and more. and when you do that, you will pay !!! see about, “I also will forget your children”……..
sandy hook ?????
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
6:24 pm
“Christians do NOT celebrate it and do NOT seek to bless it.”
Sure they do! Churches are full of people that have broken the divorce and re-marriage laws Jesus set. Most churches arrogantly ignore the rules of divorce. Cherry picking at its finest. Churches bless divorce by allowing them. Churches bless re-marriage by allowing them. Churches also allow remarriage with full ceremonies.
Bringing up divorce is certainly valid here, it points out the laughable hypocrisy on the whole marriage debate. But hey, its easy to throw stones at gay people, you can throw the book at them and ignore the log that is in the eyes of half your church members. Wouldn’t want to upset the cash cow would we?
We going to see an amendment in Georgia soon that bans divorce???
Divorce is a CHOICE!!!
Democrats Are The Devils
January 10th, 2013
6:24 pm
td – praise god, excaltly !!!
Democrats Are The Devils
January 10th, 2013
6:26 pm
DannyX – yes, it is a choice…..
Democrats Are The Devils
January 10th, 2013
6:30 pm
Matthew 7
Do Not Judge
7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
now, what i take from this passage, is that first, get right with your own self and then you can tell your brother he’s traveling down the wrong road…….
td
January 10th, 2013
6:30 pm
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
6:24 pm
“Divorce is a CHOICE!!!”
It sure is and like many have said it is a sin and there are consequences to the actions of the individuals. Being gay is not a sin and gays are welcome in the church and can here the same sermons that divorced couples here about sinning and asking for forgiveness.
Understand now.
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
6:33 pm
Matt 5:32– The most ignored verse in the Bible. Bringing that up weakens your argument td.
“But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.”
Half of all Christian marriages end in divorce. The minority of those divorces involve adultery. Either way that is a lot of sin. You are either an adulterer, or you are divorcing without cause which Jesus forbids. Re-marriage laws have been tossed, the adultery in those cases ignored.
Its just laughable to hear so-called Christians condemn gays with their Bibles! Defending marriage, lol.
1776
January 10th, 2013
6:34 pm
Ol’ Louie needs to stop trying to back-peddle and give the straight Bible truths!
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Sodomy/homosexuality_is_a_sin.htm
Yeah Right
January 10th, 2013
6:36 pm
Who’s this con artist holy man trying to fool. If he withdrew he did it because he was told to either withdraw or they’d remove him from the program. So, like all two faced preachers, he did what would make it look like it was all his idea. But whatever the reason it’s good he’s out. They should do away with all religious references in the inauguration in the first place. That’s what separation of church and state is all about. Let the nitwit holy rollers pray on their own if they way to. What some fictitious deity thinks should not enter into it.
Democrats Are The Devils
January 10th, 2013
6:39 pm
Leviticus 18:22
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
what now !?!?
concern
January 10th, 2013
6:41 pm
To bad. Agree with the pastor. Better to be on the right side than take center stage.
Says a lot about our leadership or lack of it.
Wilbur
January 10th, 2013
6:42 pm
Hatred and bigotry have become the speciality of the gay community. God forbid that anyone should ever disagree with them!
BG1
January 10th, 2013
6:47 pm
Just think, one condom could have prevented all this……
Democrats Are The Devils
January 10th, 2013
6:47 pm
i dont think we are hating !?!? just saying youre wrong and wrong is getting confused with hating….
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
6:48 pm
“It sure is and like many have said it is a sin and there are consequences to the actions of the individuals.”
Surely you joke td. What are the consequences of unlawful divorce and remarriage, td?
Are the divorced ostracized on the internet? Are the divorced blamed for massacres and hurricanes? Are people voting for constitutional amendments that ban divorce? Has anybody told a divorced person “Love the sinner, hate the sin”? Anyone scream at a divorced person “Divorce is a choice”? Are the divorced kept from remarrying in their churches? Are Christian leaders going on rampages about the evils of divorce, (especially Catholic and Southern Baptist leaders)? You ever see over 200 blog replies about a divorce?
td
January 10th, 2013
6:52 pm
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
6:33 pm
First off you have such a limited knowledge of the Bible that you are confused. The KJV does not use the word Adultery but rather the word fornication. Then if you actually studied then you would know that fornication is an English interpretation of Porneia and the normal Greek for adultery is moicheia. Now for your next assignment so that you look less foolish go look up Pomeia and read about what the meaning could be for the word.
Democrats Are The Devils
January 10th, 2013
6:57 pm
i do a
James 2:10
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.
no sin is greater than another….
td
January 10th, 2013
7:00 pm
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
6:48 pm
“It sure is and like many have said it is a sin and there are consequences to the actions of the individuals.”
Surely you joke td. What are the consequences of unlawful divorce and remarriage, td?
Already explained to you twice and you seem to not want to accept the truth. The consequence is that the divorced person can not participate in the leadership of the church. To the truly faithful this is a huge penalty to bear for ones actions.
No Christian should be yelling at gays because being gay is not a sin. They should rebuke them of committing sodomy because it is an abomination. We as a nation should not be condoning an action that is an abomination in God’s eye so there should be no gay marriage.
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
7:01 pm
“First off you have such a limited knowledge of the Bible that you are confused.”
Spare me the deflections td, you were the one trying to use Deuteronomy a while back. Are you Jewish or Christian?
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
7:06 pm
“We as a nation should not be condoning an action that is an abomination in God’s eye so there should be no gay marriage.”
Well there certainly should be no divorce then! Or re-marriage! Jesus condemned divorce and was silent on homosexuality.
Why should gays fear the Bible, most Christians sure don’t, certainly not the divorced and re-married ones!
td
January 10th, 2013
7:08 pm
DannyX
January 10th, 2013
7:01 pm
No deflections on my part because adultery is a sin, no fault divorces is a sin and Sodomy is an abomination. All three sins can be forgiven if you get down on your knees, ask for forgiveness and not repeat the sins again.
Yeah Right
January 10th, 2013
7:37 pm
If sodomy was truly an abomination 95% of every heterosexual person on earth would have been struck dead by the sky fairy long ago. You bible thumpers just get more loony and pathetic by the day. Of course ALL of you are complete hypocrites. You pick and choose which bible verses you’re willing to follow depending on which ones you agree with. All the others, you just ignore. How CONVENIENT!
Rafe Hollister
January 10th, 2013
7:39 pm
He needs diversity at his festivities, he sure doesn’t have it in his cabinet. He needs one of those binders full of women, he derided Romney about. He was called on this today, by Charlie Rangel, the guy accused of disenfranchising Hispanic voters, just last fall. Obama is do as I say kinda guy, not do as I do kind.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/charlie-rangel-hits-obama-on-diversity-86005.html
Democrats Are The Devils
January 10th, 2013
8:02 pm
Yeah Right
January 10th, 2013
7:37 pm
If sodomy was truly an abomination 95% of every heterosexual person on earth would have been struck dead by the sky fairy long ago. You bible thumpers just get more loony and pathetic by the day. Of course ALL of you are complete hypocrites. You pick and choose which bible verses you’re willing to follow depending on which ones you agree with. All the others, you just ignore. How CONVENIENT!
really !?!?
Yeah Right
January 10th, 2013
8:52 pm
Democrats Are The Devils: Hmmmm, you have an amazing grasp of the obvious. YEAH REALLY!
Democrats Are The Devils
January 10th, 2013
9:05 pm
go to god, boo !!!
Living With Open Eyes
January 10th, 2013
9:50 pm
You gay guys keep on truckin with each other and leave the women for the rest of us. Being gay IS a choice unless you were born with sexual organ deformities. I’m not against you-I’m just saying be honest, you’re gay because you like being gay. Be accountable for your free choice and don’t blame heredity.
Kevin
January 10th, 2013
10:14 pm
Anyone opposed to homosexuality is given one option — keep your mouth shut or else.
The intolerant left strikes again.
Louie Giglio to Offer Inaugural Benediction–NOT SO FAST!
January 10th, 2013
10:50 pm
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Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
January 10th, 2013
11:25 pm
Nothing “left” about it all. The faction whose “sensibilities” are being “protected” is an adjunct and “arm” created by the “de facto” “rightwing’s core element of the French assembly as described by Carlyle in his “History of the French Revolution.”
It is fascism against oppressing those who would be the holy and righteous Children of G-d in America-Zion.
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
January 10th, 2013
11:26 pm
…fascism oppressing…
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Voter
January 10th, 2013
11:50 pm
@Kevin – Good point
Son of a Bishop
January 11th, 2013
12:10 am
Thank You President Obama for Exemplifying Real Christian Values… http://sonofabishop.blogspot.com
Samuel Marcus Brown
Decatur, GA
Democrats Are The Devils
January 11th, 2013
1:45 am
or else, what !?!? if god is for you., who can be against you !?!? just try !
mike
January 11th, 2013
7:09 am
20 years ago? I guess one cannot change an opinion in 20 years. Way to go preacher since there are those who would have made a 20 year old talk an ongoing distraction. Maybe he has moved on but there are plenty of people stuck in the 40’s, 50’s and 60’s in this country.
jhd
January 11th, 2013
7:11 am
they need to find someone that will direct the benediction and prayer to obama as the supreme god
Yeah Right
January 11th, 2013
8:34 am
Living With Open Eyes, you should change your name to Living With Closed Brain. Your eyes can be open all you want, but you’re blind so it won’t matter. But you seem to know an awful lot about how and why the gays are gay. Is there something you wish to tell us? Hmmmmmmm?
Vashtai
January 11th, 2013
9:24 am
I particularly love you who are quoting from “revised” versions of the Bible. If you read the original translation from the Greek Bible, there is not one mention of homosexuality. But about a hundred years ago, mankind started tinkering with and embellishing the Bible to suit their present day needs. They even managed to insert homosexuality into the New Testament during the last century!
The only good thing about all you bible thumpers is you are all dying out. People are leaving your churches faster than you can replace them. Even though the 1st Amendment to the Constitution starts out with, “Congress shall pass no laws respecting an establishment of religion,” because of religion many states legally bar homosexuals from marrying. The sooner we get “God” out of government, the better we will be as a nation. The first job would be removing tax exempt status from religious organizations. The National Debt would disappear within a few years.
And as I’ve said here before, Jesus was probably a homo. Think about it: He was a carpenter when carpentry was an art, there is no mention in the Bible of any female love interest for Jesus, and most telling, he exclusively hung out with 12 male “disciples.”
double
January 11th, 2013
10:42 am
After reading most of these post.I am of the opinion the adulterer must be the better tither.
melshop
January 11th, 2013
11:44 am
Couple of points: Regarding divorce, no church I know of supports it. In the SBC church, those who remarry can not be remarried in the sanctuary and most pastors will not perform the ceremony. You are misinterpreting what Jesus said. He said, to paraphrase, that God did not create divorce. God created marriage. Man created divorce. Since man was going to have divorce regardless of God’s desires (hardness of heart) here are the rules (referring to Moses teachings). However, Jesus didn’t “overrule” those rules. He merely stated those rules were because of man’s hardened condition, not of God’s desire.
Churches have had to deal with the issue of divorce because it is prevalent in society. Yes, they do preach on it and are actually preaching on it more because of the growth of divorce.
Churches offer support groups to heal those hurt by it, counselors to help prevent it, and countless other ministries for the spouses and children. That is not supporting divorce but tending to the wounded.
The wounded, however they become wounded, need church and need Jesus the most. That is not a time to tell them they are sinning, but to love them. That is what Jesus would do.
The time eventually comes in the lives of every divorced person that they must be accountable for their actions in the situation and ask God for forgiveness. Every divorced Christian I know has done this. Then it is up to the person to decide how God would have them handle their life. Some try to work things out with their spouse. Some, I know, have decided never to remarry. Others felt that God’s mercy and grace allowed for someone else to come into their life to love and remarry.
That is where it is not my place to judge. That is where God tells us not to judge.
A choice that is not an option is to continue in their sin. They cannot continue going from relationship to relationship, divorce to divorce. That is what Jesus said. Divorce is a very serious matter, because God takes marriage very seriously.
With homosexuals, it is the same way in SBC churches and many other denominations. There are counselors, support groups, and many others geared to tend to those wounded. That is also not a time to judge them, but to love them. That is what Jesus would do.
However, there will come a time when they must also take responsibility for their actions. There will come a time for repentance. Just as in any sin.
What a homosexual then does with his or her life from the point of salvation is also between them and God. Some I know choose to try to become heterosexual through various treatments and ways – and yes – some are successful. Some opt to not have any romantic or sexual relationships and deal with their conflicts with God’s grace daily. I will not judge them for those choices.
A choice that is not an option is to continue in sin. No one can continue in sin (any sin) and have a relationship with God at the same time. The Bible explains this in several passages, mostly relating to money, but also applicable to anything you put above a love of God.
Regarding Jesus, why he was single (although some try to assert that He was married) and his sexuality I will say only this: Jesus had a bigger mission – so big that a relationship of any kind wasn’t on his agenda. Also, he had the love of His Father, so he had no other need for such an earthly attachment which would pale in comparison.
Also, Jesus is God so he fulfills the image of God (which God designed a married male and female couple to do) in and of Himself both when He was on earth and now in heaven. He was perfect and contained all the attributes of God (since He is God), so Jesus could related to both males and females equally – just as God relates to each person intimately with understanding.