Your daily jolt: Isakson, Chambliss say White House will have to bargain over debt ceiling
President Barack Obama may not want to negotiate over another increase in the federal debt ceiling, but Republicans nonetheless intend to bring him to the table, Johnny Isakson said this morning, in one of his first interviews as a member of the Senate Finance Committee.
Isakson was on CNBC’s “Squawk Box,” and first was asked to explain his vote in favor of a fiscal cliff agreement that set tax rates – but failed to address spending. Said the Georgia senator:
”It gave certainty to American business, small business, and families on what taxes would be. It made them permanent for everybody except those at $400,000 – and $450,000 for a couple. It’s good policy to make your tax policy permanent, so there’s not uncertainty every year….
“That was the good part. The bad part is that it was done behind closed doors, between just a very few people, when the issue should have been debated before the American people. That I’m sure will happen on the debt ceiling.
“….You have three cliffs coming in the month of March. You have the sequester, you have the debt ceiling, and you have the continuing resolution…..The president can fold his arms all he wants to and say he’s not going to negotiate, but in fact it’s time we made permanent decisions on policy, to begin to amortize and reduce our debt over time, make our spending done on a cost-benefit analysis, and stop issuing continuing resolutions.”
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In a morning telephone chat with a gaggle of reporters, including my AJC colleague Daniel Malloy, U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss had much the same message:
“Here’s my position: Mr. President, you have said you’re not going to engage in a protracted debate over raising the debt ceiling. My message to the president is you better strap on your chin strap very tight because this junkyard dog is going to address entitlement reform in the debt ceiling debate. … It’s time to get our arms around the debt and the time to do that is during the debt ceiling debate.”
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And yet, over on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” former House speaker Newt Gingrich disagreed, and theorized that it would be better for Republicans to think long-term. The former Georgia congressman predicted that a fight over the federal government’s credit limit would be another GOP debacle.
Said Gingrich:
“They’ve got to find, in the House, a totally new strategy. Everybody’s now talking about, ‘Okay, now comes the debt ceiling.’ I think that’s, frankly, a dead loser. Because in the end you know it’s going happen. The whole national financial system is going to come in to Washington, buy television and say, ‘Oh my God, this will be a gigantic heart attack, the entire economy of the world will collapse. You guys can’t be responsible.’ And they’ll cave.”
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Politico.com this morning focuses on U.S. Rep. Jack Kingston’s new role as chairman of a House Appropriations subcommittee with jurisdiction over President Barack Obama’s Affordable Health Care Act.
The Savannah Republican – who, like the vast majority of his GOP colleagues, has sworn to repeal the legislation — acknowledged that he won’t be making a lot of decisions by himself:
“You just have to be aware that on our side, people can’t stand it, and they have not grown used to it and they do not like it any more than they did when it was passed,” he said. “Therefore, whenever you’re touching it, Obamacare is as sensitive as gun control or abortion. It’s just one of those very difficult, political things where you’re all for it or all against it.”
Kingston emphasized that much of his role in guiding the financing for HHS and Obamacare will be defined by party leaders. “If I have a role of being a quarterback, then I’m not going to be the one calling all the plays,” he said. “I think a lot of what we do on the Affordable Care Act is going to be in coordination with the front office of Appropriations and presumably with leadership and with authorizing committees.”
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Apparently, that ambassadorship to the Seychelles islands didn’t come through. My AJC colleague Aaron Gould Sheinin reports this:
Tharon Johnson, who led President Barack Obama’s re-election effort across the South and in the key battleground state of Florida, has joined McKenna Long & Aldridge as a managing director in its national governmental affairs unit.
Johnson, 34, an Atlanta native, was Obama’s 2012 national southern regional director and led the president’s campaign to a narrow win in Florida and a close loss in the other battleground state of North Carolina. Both states were decided by fewer than a million votes.
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While he declared Thursday that state law won’t let him pursue the suspension of Clayton County Sheriff Victor Hill, Gov. Nathan Deal has left himself a loophole. The governor declared that, because Hill was indicted for public malfeasance after he was out of office, the state law setting out the rules for ousting elected officials doesn’t apply.
A judge has thrown several counts against Hill out. If the special prosecutor pursues the matter, and obtains new indictments, then we have a new ball game.
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Over at 11Alive, Jenna Herb reports that Kennesaw State University’s request to launch a football program will hit the Board of Regents next Tuesday, Jan. 8. There’s some indication that the decision isn’t in doubt:
President [Dan] Papp and KSU’s Director of Athletics Vaughn Williams will conduct a briefing on the Regents’ decision on Wednesday, Jan. 9. The event will be held at noon, in the Convocation Center on the Kennesaw State University campus.
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E-Roll
January 4th, 2013
9:29 am
‘Okay, now comes the debt ceiling.’ I think that’s, frankly, a dead loser. Because in the end you know it’s going happen. The whole national financial system is going to come in to Washington, buy television and say, ‘Oh my God, this will be a gigantic heart attack, the entire economy of the world will collapse. You guys can’t be responsible.’ And they’ll cave.”
It is amazing the more time Newt is out of office, the clearer his thinking gets. GOP, yes fight to get spending cuts in place but do not use the country’s credit rating to get those cuts.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 4th, 2013
9:42 am
Look who wants to build a base on the Moon with Gingrich, heh.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
9:45 am
What should be done with raising the debt ceiling, the next congressional/Presidential fight? First remember Obama expects, no demands, raising the debt ceiling with no negotiations or off setting spending cuts. For the House republicans that makes their job simple. A bill to extend the debt ceiling should have a first reading in committee today. It took 17 months to fully use the 2.1 trillion the debt ceiling was raised last time, so use that as a base line. Raise the debt ceiling another 2.1 trillion and specify 2.1 trillion in cuts that will occur over the same 17 months, not over decades by future Congress’ that won’t adhere to the deal.
In addition, add 600 billion in cuts to occur over the next 10 years to match the amount of revenue that was raised by the tax increases of the fiscal cliff deal and was not in the final version. Send that bill to the Senate and the President with this note attached, “President Obama and Senator Reid, we pledge to honor by your no negotiation stance and submitted herewith is the House of Representative solution to extend the debt ceiling. We sincerely hope you won’t be the reason the United States of America defaults.” Then the House has to have the resolve to mean what they say.
Our country has a choice, a choice that won’t last much longer, to either get our fiscal house in order or suffer the sever consequences. This country needs an intervention, tough love and I for one don’t see the leadership either in the President or in Congress to do it. It’s truly a shame; our great nation deserves better. Better won’t happen until you and I demand it.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 4th, 2013
9:46 am
Yes or no vote. Sign the legislation or veto it.
How does it feel to be led to the cliffs you created, liberals?
Road Scholar
January 4th, 2013
9:49 am
” Obamacare is as sensitive as gun control or abortion. ”
Drop abortion now. Haven’t you already made many attempts to get a bite of that apple…only to alienate the electorate…except for the staunch anti abortion crowd?
Don’t you already have enough to do with immigration, budget/deficit, transportation, tax code simplification, gun control, etc.????? Yeah, let’s spend more time on abortion! NOT!
Deep Cover
January 4th, 2013
9:55 am
The truth of the matter is that Obama is just SMARTER than the GOP…PERIOD!!!
The last time the GOP tried to hold the debt ceiling gun to his head he ended up getting a backdoor stimulus package of AT LEAST $400 billion as well as the “failed” Supercommittee idea and very modest spending cuts (really just an accounting trick for the drawdown in Iraq/Afghanistan). He also got the poison pill of the sequester. Out of that he was able to get the tax hike…and NOW the GOP thinks it has leverage??? How stupid can they be???
Here is what is going to happen. Obama will outline a $1 trillion in spending cuts (really just from the savings in national debt interest and some defense spending). They GOP will fall for the trap of not accepting it, and then one of two things are going to happen;
1) The sequester cuts will kick in hurting defense contractors MUCH MORE than domestic spending (and the GOP will pay HEAVILY for that as nearly ALL defense spending happens in RED districts).
or
2) The nation goes into default and Obama invokes the 14th amendment and forces the debt ceiling raised. Now the GOP will then probably impeach Obama but he wins the trial in the Senate. The GOP then loses HEAVILY in 2014 for the stupid impeachment.
It’s a SHAME that the GOP can’t figure out that THIS IS A TRAP. But I guess they aren’t smart enough. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.
The only way that they are going to get “true” entitlement reform is to PASS A BILL CUTTING benefits and then to STICK TO IT. However, the GOP won’t do that since that would carry electoral consequences also.
Oxwinkle
January 4th, 2013
9:58 am
Here’s a thought – spend less. Cut the pay of all members of Congress by 50% and add a 75% Congressional privilege tax. You want to serve in Congress, then it’s going to cost you, big time. Also, tax all members of Congress on their wealth and income. And make these deadbeats pay Social Security tax.
Shine
January 4th, 2013
10:08 am
Like it or not, Isakson and the kooks are wrong again. The president has to do nothing about the debt celing. If congress doesnt raise it to pay its own created obligations then it will be THEIR fault when the markets crash, the economy stumbles, and whatever else happens.
The stupid party never wises up it seems. More revenue for more cuts will be what happens for the smart members of congress.
WOW
January 4th, 2013
10:14 am
Shine you are exactly right. This has nothing to do with the POTUS. This is money that Congress appropriated and now a few of them are saying they don’t want to pay it.
This is the very height of hypocrisy. Politically, I would love for them to do it, use the Pat Toomey strategy of shutting the government down. However, as a citizen I recognize this is the very worst thing that could happen to our economy at this time. Whoever is advising the Republican Party really needs to be fired.
WOW
January 4th, 2013
10:14 am
Shine you are exactly right. This has nothing to do with the POTUS. This is money that Congress appropriated and now a few of them are saying they don’t want to pay it.
This is the very height of hypocrisy. Politically, I would love for them to do it, use the Pat Toomey strategy of shutting the government down. However, as a citizen I recognize this is the very worst thing that could happen to our economy at this time. Whoever is advising the Republican Party really needs to be fired.
Don't Tread
January 4th, 2013
10:19 am
It’s a telling reflection on the sorry state of affairs in DC when getting someone to do the right thing requires a negotiation. But judging by some of the comments on the blogs, it doesn’t take an Einstein to figure out how we got there.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
10:20 am
shine-
You mistakenas is Obama is this area, the increase in the debt ceiling is not to pay for debts already incurred, it is to pay for FUTURE debts.
Cherokee
January 4th, 2013
10:22 am
Yeah you gotta love the Republicans and their myrmidons on these blogs. Congress appropriates the money, but then throws a tantrum that will cause the markets to collapse just to make a point.
If they don’t want to allow the government to borrow the money, why did they approve the spending in the first place?
Newt does seem to get smarter, now that he’s not running for anything.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
10:22 am
WOW, are you in favor of budget cuts being tied to raising the debt ceiling? If not how will we ever stop going further in debt?
Cherokee
January 4th, 2013
10:24 am
Soldier, the debt ceiling needs to be increased to pay for the spending that the Republican House approved.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
10:25 am
Cherokee- “why did they approve the spending in the first place?” Because the Senate hasn’t approved a budget in over three years.
Cherokee
January 4th, 2013
10:26 am
Most of the debt problem would be solved if we put people back to work. But the Republicans refused to approve anything to reach that goal, in the hope that they could get rid of Obama.
Cherokee
January 4th, 2013
10:27 am
Nonsense, soldier. They could have at any time refused to go along with the Senate and limit spending. They didn’t do that.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 4th, 2013
10:28 am
The title of the January 14 issue of Time magazine reads, “40 years ago, abortion-rights activists won an epic victory with Roe v. Wade. They’ve been losing ever since.”
WOW
January 4th, 2013
10:28 am
No, I am not in favor of them being tied together.
While I am in favor of budget cuts and entitlement reform (gets me yelled at by my fellow progressives) I don’t think they should be tied together. There needs to be a meaningful discussion and debate about the cuts, everything on the table from Defense to Social Security. The debt ceiling should not, however, be the vehicle for this. The country’s credit rating is a little too important for Congress to be holding hostage.
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
10:30 am
Raising the debt ceiling never seemed to be much of an issue until Obama took office. The GOP continues to remain stuck in a time warp.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 4th, 2013
10:30 am
The debt ceiling increase legislation will be tied to specific equal spending cuts defined, and “approved,” by the House of Representatives.
Nice view out there at the edge of the cliff, ain’t it, libbies?
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
10:40 am
Cherokee-
That would have closed down the government, which you opposed to. You can’t have it both ways.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
10:41 am
DJ-
The Congress should have and the debt has never grown this fast.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
10:42 am
WOW-
There was, it was Bowles-Simpson, where did that get us?
Real Athens
January 4th, 2013
10:47 am
Newt led the shutdown of the federal government for a month in 1995-1996. By 1998 he’d resigned from the House speakership AFTER winning an election and his seat in early 1999 — knowing his influence had been severely compromised. The huge GOP election losses in 1998 were blamed on his theatrics.
This is one area where he does speak from experience.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
10:50 am
Real-
I don’t advocate closing doen the Govt. I don’t advocate ” bargining with the President. I do advocate extending the debt ceiling and paying for it at the same time. What’s wrong with that?
WOW
January 4th, 2013
10:55 am
My suggestion is we go back to it. It was a huge mistake for all parties involved (the President and Congress) to not grab a hold of it after its release and I think it would be a good starting point.
honested
January 4th, 2013
10:55 am
I am stunned.
Apparently Nut Getrich has learned something from the childish pranks he pulled while he was accidentally given the speaker’s gavel.
Of course, I doubt he will have any luck transferring this lesson to the dullards currently performing like the Yerkes test subjects in the House.
WOW
January 4th, 2013
11:00 am
The debt ceiling increase legislation will be tied to specific equal spending cuts defined, and “approved,” by the House of Representatives.
Nice view out there at the edge of the cliff, ain’t it, libbies?
No it won’t. President says he is not going for it. If Republicans want to force the issue and shut down the Government then let them. They will pay the price in 2014. Or they could act responsibly raise the debt ceiling and then work together on cuts. Of which 1 trillion have already been passed I might add.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
11:03 am
WOW-
The problem is the President has shown zero interest in curbing spending. The fiscal cliff deal spends more than the increased amount the wealthy will pay.
Again. what is wrong with coupling spending cuts with increasing the debt ceiling.
Real Athens
January 4th, 2013
11:03 am
Soldier -
I’m in complete agreement. I was commenting on Galloway’s blog. I was on the fence about Simpson-Bowles (honestly, didn’t read the whole thing). I was, for the most part, behind Governor Deal’s Georgia Special Council on Tax Reform and Fairness and the report they issued. You know, the one that was dismissed and totally ignored. Kind of like Simpson-Bowles.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
11:07 am
WOW-
That’s 1 triliion over ten years of which most of it was smoke and mirrors. 1 trillion in 10 years is less than 10% of the projected debt. That’s not even a down payment.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
11:10 am
Real-
I wasn’t a big fan of Simpson-Bowles either, but now it looks great.
This is where we are. The country has cancer (our debt and deficit) we can either treat the cancer which is very painful or choose not to treat it in which case it will be fatal. Which do we choose?
WOW
January 4th, 2013
11:12 am
Again. what is wrong with coupling spending cuts with increasing the debt ceiling.
So the 1 trillion dollars in cuts from last year, the offer (rejected by the Speaker) of Chained CPI = no interest in spending cuts? That doesn’t wash. He is probably never going to go for cuts at a level that you or the Tea Party approve of, but he won the election so compromise will have to take hold. I think he has shown a willingness to anger his own party (plenty of them are mad about the SS offers) to get a deal done. It just takes two to tango.
This being said, hold the debt ceiling hostage, possibly decreasing the credit rating, and making the markets tank is just not responsible government.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
11:14 am
Has obozo bin biden rescinded the pay raises?
An observer
January 4th, 2013
11:15 am
Let us be honest, neither the Republicans or the Democrats want to reduce spending so the debt ceiling will be increased after much politicking. An investor would be wise not to buy federal bonds, which will clearly be paid back with almost worthless paper dollars.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
11:18 am
WOW-
The debt ceiling isn’t hostage by what I recommended at 9:45. It is simply paid for. If Obama rejects it ot the Senate fails to act it is not the republicans that didn’t act.
Shine
January 4th, 2013
11:19 am
Retired Soldier, are you saying you dont want the debt ceiling raised to pay for the obligations made to you by the federal government? I mean they aint got to pay you your entitlemnets if that is what you prefer. Or is it you want yours but somebody else’s needs cutting?
I want the same medicare and social security Paul Ryan’s mommy now gets myself.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
11:20 am
Observer-
You are correct, that is why 95 per cent of Congress needs to be replaced.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
11:23 am
@Retired Soldier – You are correct, that is why 95 per cent of Congress needs to be replaced.
Well Said!
clem
January 4th, 2013
11:24 am
for the dusty das of the world:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/03/bank-trading-hidden_n_2403132.html
Voter
January 4th, 2013
11:27 am
And how “incredible” it was, (sarcasm), that after all that political posturing and campaigning to raise taxes on $250,000 or $400,000 wage earners, that it STILL raised taxes on the middle class starting around $35,000 to $40,000 wage earners.
Retired Soldier is correct, 90-95% of all Congress needs to be replaced, if they were working in the private sector, they would have been fired long ago for their dismal work ethic and inept leadership.
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
11:30 am
If 95% of Congress needs to be replaced, let’s start with that idiot Michele Bachmann. Yesterday, she introduced a fresh piece of legislation to repeal Obamacare. This is the 34th time this has been done. The GOP definitely fits the definition of insanity.
WOW
January 4th, 2013
11:31 am
That sounds well and good, but what are the specifics of the cuts you want. That’s where you get into the hostage holding. There is going to have to be some give and take on what exactly gets cut. Would you be okay with some of these coming from DOD and Homeland Security?
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
11:32 am
Shine-
What I have said is we should raise the debt ceiling 2.1 trillion to pay for future debt and we should reduce spending that same 2.1 trillion over the same time period.
Yes I have retired pay and yes it would be stopped if the govt shut down. The only people talking about shutdowns are liberals.
I say again, raise the debt ceiling and pay for it. I guess that is a radical idea.
WOW
January 4th, 2013
11:33 am
@ Voter:
Are you talking about the Social Security tax increase that expired? The Republicans didn’t want that in the first place….
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 4th, 2013
11:34 am
Believe me, I know that obozo won’t take the blame for going over the debt “cliff.” That coward will make sure his Senate minions keep it off his desk.
That being said, the Republicans can pass the legislation, make their case as clear as possible and walk away.
Ball in your court, libbies.
J Throckmorton Malcontent
January 4th, 2013
11:35 am
We’re having the wrong conversation, because we’ve seized on a bad idea.
We’re the world’s bankers still. America’s debt doesn’t matter. We’ve been printing money until the presses smoke for four years and we haven’t seen any meaningful inflation. Spending doesn’t need to be cut, but increased, and redirected from wasteful programs like the excessive military spending or failed ethanol subsidies into infrastructure spending that benefits all.
The national debt is not debt like you owe your pal twenty dollars. It’s debt like a business operates on a line of credit.
The only debt conversation we need to have in order to improve the economy is how to force bankers to the table to discuss debt forgiveness. That redirects the cash flow to the middle and working class where it will do the most good.
WOW
January 4th, 2013
11:35 am
@ Retired
Name me one Democratic elected official that has said let it shut down. Sen. Toomey was on television yesterday advocating such an approach.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
11:35 am
@DJ Sniper – “ObamaCare”
It needs to be repealed. Have you read some of it? You will not like it. The taxes it will raise and the “gestapo” type tactics it will use are unconstitutional.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
11:35 am
WOW-
I agree, but Obama has said he won’t play. A few ideas to start. 10 per cent of the defense budget, the energy department, education department, homeland security department, adopt the Fair Tax and eliminate the IRS, means test social security and medicare.
There is a start, what are your ideas.
honested
January 4th, 2013
11:38 am
voter,
You do make us wonder how someone like broun ever got elected in the first place.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
11:38 am
@Retired Soldier – I like it. Good plan.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
11:39 am
Let’s see, Sen Reid and Obama for a start. That in effect is what they are saying by saying we won’t negoiate.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
11:39 am
@honested – What district does he represent?
Georgia, The " New Mississippi "
January 4th, 2013
11:39 am
America vs the GOP Johnny Rebs…………these guys are like kamikazes trying to take everyone else down with them.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
11:39 am
Voter-
Thank you
Voter
January 4th, 2013
11:40 am
@honested – Do you mean Paul Broun of 10th district, Tea Party man?
WOW
January 4th, 2013
11:41 am
@ Retired:
To be honest that’s not a bad starting point from my personal perspective. I would say 5%, rather than 10% and no way on the Fair Tax, but that’s just me. The American people, however, disagree. There is no way means testing social security and medicare would ever pass the Congress.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
11:43 am
@Georgia/Mississippi – “America vs the GOP Johnny Rebs…………these guys are like kamikazes trying to take everyone else down with them.”
Trying to curtail spending is “taking everyone else down”?
Would you allow your wife or children to spend more than you take in, in your household? How long would you last?
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
11:43 am
Liberals, you have to love them, bless their heart. Trying to reduce debt and deficitsis like a kamikazes. On in America.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
11:47 am
WOW-
Knock me down, we will make a fiscal hawk out of you yet. Let’s convince Obama and Congress to have the two of us fix this problem and as we used to say in the Army, we’ll be cooking with grease.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
11:47 am
For all our liberals who failed math in elementary school.
Government is taking in approx. $5 billion a day in revenue and spending approx. $6 billion a day.
That is like your taking home say $5,000 a month and your bills are $6,000 a month. At what point do you decide to stop SPENDING more than you are taking in?
Georgia, The " New Mississippi "
January 4th, 2013
11:48 am
@ voter and Retired Soldier………kamikazes do not compromise or negotiate ……….just like the House GOP Johnny Rebs.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
11:49 am
My gosh, with the exception of my ex-wife, I have never talked to such hard-headed people as these liberals!
Voter
January 4th, 2013
11:50 am
@Georgia/Miss. – Excuse me, did they not just compromise on the latest bill?
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
11:53 am
Georgia-
I believe the only person that has said he won’t neogiate is Obama about the debt ceiling. But I guess that one doen’t count since it’s Obama.
Jon Lester
January 4th, 2013
11:54 am
So Zaxby is essentially promising that runaway defense spending is off limits, but the “entitlement” programs we’ve all paid into need “reform?”
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
11:57 am
I wonder what type of tomfoolery the GOP will engage in regarding the debt ceiling this time around. I still remember how they were willing to shut down the federal government last year all in the name of their ideological war with Planned Parenthood. And they wonder why people view them as out of touch.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
11:58 am
DJ Sniper – I believe most think your kind, (liberal) is out of touch.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
11:58 am
Jon-
Where did Saxby mention defense? Even Obama has said SS and Medicare needs to be reformed. Doing it is a different matter.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
12:00 pm
Jon-
Besides if defense spending is “runaway” then why hasn’t Obama reduced it in the last four years?
Voter
January 4th, 2013
12:01 pm
@Jon Lester – What did Saxby say?
And the entitlement programs I mean are free welfare for those who are having children just to collect money from the Government, then free Food-stamps, then free housing, then free cell phones. At what point do we stop?
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 4th, 2013
12:01 pm
obozo is already looking for ways to jack the debt ceiling up without going through Congress.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
12:03 pm
@Retired soldier – “Besides if defense spending is “runaway” then why hasn’t Obama reduced it in the last four years?”
Good point! Liberals can’t see that, they never seem to grasp that Obama did nothing in his first 4 years and blamed others.
Shine
January 4th, 2013
12:05 pm
Well here’s a scenerio….the House passed a Hurricane Sandy aide bill with more to come.
So lets assume these are the three ways to pay for it.
1) add it to the deficit
2 )raise revenue
3) cut Retired Soldiers benefits being he is so gung ho to cut mine..
Voter
January 4th, 2013
12:05 pm
@Aesop – “obozo is already looking for ways to jack the debt ceiling up without going through Congress.”
That’s King George, I mean, King obozo bin biden for America.
WOW
January 4th, 2013
12:06 pm
@ Retired:
Your approach is correct. I don’t agree with Gov Deal on hardly anything, but this is one thing he got correct. When he had to cut, he went to each Department and said give me 5% you decide what it is and that is how we will budget. Seems fair to me. Everyone has to give a little.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
12:08 pm
shine-
Cute, what benefits of yours have I advocated?
Voter
January 4th, 2013
12:08 pm
@Shine – Ahhh, another liberal added for today.
I say we pay for it by cutting Congress and the Executive Branch’s salary by 10%. Maybe also cutting back on their perks also. They certainly haven’t earned it these past few years.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 4th, 2013
12:10 pm
‘The worst day of my presidency’: Barack Obama receives the horrific news about the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.
Gosh, I wonder why obozo wants to share this information with us now? Are we reliving the highlights and lowlights of our presidency and just forgot to share all the others? Has this tragedy tore him so much that he had to put his billion dollar Hawaiian Fun-In-The-Sun vacation on hold?
Or is he just a craven user of dead children for the long sought after goal of any other America hating socialist?
curious
January 4th, 2013
12:11 pm
Now that runaway Defense spending has been placed at Obama’s feet, I’m confident we’ll be hearing demands from the Republicans to curb runaway defense spending. Right?
td
January 4th, 2013
12:11 pm
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
10:30 am
Raising the debt ceiling never seemed to be much of an issue until Obama took office. The GOP continues to remain stuck in a time warp.
Really, do we need to go back to 2007 and listen to Senator Obama rail about raising the debt ceiling?
From Sen. Obama’s Floor Speech, March 20, 2006:
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
12:11 pm
WOW-
Not a big fan of Deal either. I would love to be in charge of reducing the federal government. I would be happy to take all the blame, it’s called leadership. Something niether party has.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
12:16 pm
@td – Well said!
Unfortunately most liberals, (hussein obama included), seem to think that our elected officials are not answerable to the people. They forget those little words from The Declaration of Independence,”deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed” or from the Constitution ” We the people”.
Shine
January 4th, 2013
12:16 pm
Got to cut spending Retired Soldier is your drum beat…..vet benefits are expensive. Not just at the federal level but all the freebies and exemptions you “deadbeat defit makers” create at the state level.
Time to elliminate all that.
MrLiberty
January 4th, 2013
12:17 pm
These two spineless scum will cave on the debt ceiling just like they have on every other economically-destructive bill passed in recent years. They are both economic morons who care more about the lobbyists who line their pockets than about the economic health of the nation.
We are in the end game of a Federal Reserve-created economic bubble. There is still more pain to go and the sooner we let it happen, the sooner the economy will begin to recover. There are still way too many worthless companies, way too many insolvent banks, way too many overpriced homes, etc. and all of this malinvestment/failure needs to be cleansed from the economy one way or another.
The market is ready to do the cleansing if only the government will get out of the way and stop protecting their friends at the expense of the taxpayers.
Johnny and Saxby both need to go. They are unprincipled traitors to america and the constitutional oaths.
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
12:19 pm
Voter, you have officially lost whatever credibility you may have had once you mentioned the whole “free cell phone” issue.
Aesop, WTF are you talking about? I’m quite sure that statement was made on the day of the shooting, so what exactly is your point?
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
12:19 pm
curious-
A fellow lib called defense spending runaway, not I.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
12:20 pm
@Shine – What a piece of work you are. Cut a Vets benefits? Are you insane?
Someone who served OUR Country? Someone who went where their Government told them to,so you could stay home and write blogs?
You need help, not just a Doctor but a whole team of them. Meds also.
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
12:21 pm
If anybody is a traitor to this country, it’s every GOP nutjob who pledged loyalty to Grover Norquist and not the people who elected them.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
12:22 pm
@DJ Sniper – “Voter, you have officially lost whatever credibility you may have had once you mentioned the whole “free cell phone” issue.”
lol, Why? Did you receive one? lol
td
January 4th, 2013
12:22 pm
Defense spending has gone from $620 billion per year in 2007 to $800 billion in 2012.
Welfare spending has gone from $380 billion per year in 2007 to $800 billion in 2012.
Oh yes, defense spending is totally out of control.
ideas
January 4th, 2013
12:24 pm
Hey Deep Cover. I wish you Libs would read the 14th Amendment before you keep mis-using it as a presidential order. If you read article 5 of the 14th Amendment is states that CONGRESS has the authority to pass laws for this Amendment, not the President by executive order. See what happens if he does issue an executive order. That is when Roberts and the Supreme’s shut him down.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
12:24 pm
@Shine – Also, why don’t you go visit a VA Hospital? I challenge you to.
Shine
January 4th, 2013
12:24 pm
Answerable to the people? The people answered…….
Electoral vote 332 206
Popular vote 65,899,660 60,932,152
Percentage 51.0% 47.2%
Voter
January 4th, 2013
12:27 pm
@td – be careful when you throw around numbers for the liberals, they need time and a calculator to comprehend.
Shine
January 4th, 2013
12:27 pm
You kooks are now saying cant cut vet benefits? wait a minute. yall aint serious about cutting then you socialist libs. Lets cuts medicaid and throw granny out a nursing home though.
Kooks the lot of you are.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
12:28 pm
@Shine – Still harping on the election? Answer me this whose fault is the past 4 years? Bush still?
Shine
January 4th, 2013
12:28 pm
Numbers for kooks……
Electoral vote 332 206
Popular vote 65,899,660 60,932,152
Percentage 51.0% 47.2%
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
12:28 pm
My phone is paid for out of my own pocket. The fact that you believe such nonsense says quite a bit. I’m sure you’re one of those people who bought into that nonsense from Romney that Obama won because of all the “free stuff” he promised people.
td
January 4th, 2013
12:28 pm
Shine
January 4th, 2013
12:27 pm
I see when facts are presented then you resort to name calling. Very typical and very sad.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
12:29 pm
Shine-
I feel sorry for you. I hope you get better.
Shine
January 4th, 2013
12:31 pm
Dont feel sorry for me. Open thine eyes hypocrite.
honested
January 4th, 2013
12:32 pm
td,
The need for social programs has increased since 2007 due to the damage wrought by the entire economic policy of the shrub administration (hence, the increase in social welfare spending).
The external ‘threat’ has diminished over the same time, obviating the need for drastic reduction in wasteful military expenditure (unless we are going to permanently assume the role of invading countries at will and providing ‘free’ security to the petroleum extraction industry and to religiously enacted countries that can’t get along with their neighbors). If so, a national referendum to provide people with cost estimates and allow them to decide if they really want to be tied to such expenses is in order.
td
January 4th, 2013
12:33 pm
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
12:28 pm
My phone is paid for out of my own pocket. The fact that you believe such nonsense says quite a bit. I’m sure you’re one of those people who bought into that nonsense from Romney that Obama won because of all the “free stuff” he promised people.
People vote for candidates for different reasons. So for you to say that many did not vote for Obama because of “free stuff” is not a accurate statement when there is video evidence of people admitting to voting for Obama because he is “going to pay for there car or house or give them some Obama money”.
Shine
January 4th, 2013
12:34 pm
Facts for TD,
Electoral vote 332 206
Popular vote 65,899,660 60,932,152
Percentage 51.0% 47.2%
Sad you cant accept it.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
12:35 pm
Shine-
Thank you for making my point.
honested
January 4th, 2013
12:36 pm
td,
Back to the subject of the article, how do you feel about your ‘hero’s suggestion that failure to negotiate appropriately and in good faith will fall in the laps of the temporary House majority?
td
January 4th, 2013
12:38 pm
honested
January 4th, 2013
12:32 pm
td,
The need for social programs has increased since 2007 due to the damage wrought by the entire economic policy of the shrub administration (hence, the increase in social welfare spending).
Unemployment increased from 5% to 10% and now is back down to 7.8%. Are you trying to tell us that the “need” to almost triple our social welfare programs to provide a safety net for 5% of the population? If that is the case and since we have dropped more then 2% should we not be able to cut welfare spending by at least a couple hundred billion per year?
Shine
January 4th, 2013
12:38 pm
The veteran/soldier welfare mentality has run amuck. There is no draft so if soldiers dont make enough then the republicans can give them a sufficient pay raise any time so they can pay the same property taxes the rest of have to. The rest of us have to make up the shortfall by these “deadbeats” and our schools and city and local governments get the shaft.
Shine
January 4th, 2013
12:39 pm
Retired soldier, thank you for making mine. Its easy to suggest cuts as long as they dont get you right?
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
12:42 pm
Shine-
Review my comments and please tell me where I said I should be exempt?
A better question is do you think we have a debt and deficit problem and if so how would you solve it?
td
January 4th, 2013
12:43 pm
Shine
January 4th, 2013
12:34 pm
Facts for TD,
Electoral vote 332 206
Popular vote 65,899,660 60,932,152
Percentage 51.0% 47.2%
Sad you cant accept it.
Oh I accept that fact will you accept these facts?
The same people that put Obama in office also decided to keep Republicans in control of the HOR’s
The same people that put Obama in office decided that the Republicans should have total control of 24 states (Governor and both chambers of legislature) while they decided to only give Democrats total control over 13 states.
Republicans are governors of 30 states.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
12:46 pm
Good point TD
td
January 4th, 2013
12:47 pm
Shine
January 4th, 2013
12:38 pm
The veteran/soldier welfare mentality has run amuck.
Not true. The veteran/soldier, police officer and fire fighter and truly disabled are the only one we should be willing assist and take care of because the first three actually protect the rest of us from harm and the last one is not really capable of taking care of themselves. The rest of the people on welfare should be kicked off immediately.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
12:48 pm
@Shine – where is this hatred of the military coming from? Where your relatives abused by the military? Relatives descendants of King George? Part of the French from WWII that told Hitler, “come on over” Hey I got a good French Soldier Rifle for you, from WWI and WWII, mint condition, dropped twice, never fired.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
12:49 pm
@td – well said and amen!
Shine
January 4th, 2013
12:52 pm
TD, more math
re-Gerrymander districts by the votes and the dems would have the House as well as the senate and executive office
all republicans aint kooks………….take Christie for example.
Ga republicans on the other hand are mostly one signature from a judge away from a white suit and a rubber room.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
12:52 pm
@Shine – As I said, go visit a VA Hospital. I challenge you. Then come back and talk about the men & women who served.
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
12:52 pm
TD, it’s already been well documented that gerrymandering is the main reason why the GOP was able to hold on to the House. Democratic House candidates earned 49.15 percent of the popular vote, while Republicans earned only 48.03 percent.
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
12:54 pm
Also, there are plenty of people who voted for Obama that didn’t have a damn thing to do with “free stuff.” That’s nothing but sour grapes from the GOP who failed to comprehend why they lost.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
12:54 pm
@Shine – quick, before hussein obama takes away the weapons.
For Sale:
Good French Soldier Rifle, from WWI and WWII, mint condition, dropped twice, never fired.
td
January 4th, 2013
12:56 pm
honested
January 4th, 2013
12:36 pm
td,
Back to the subject of the article, how do you feel about your ‘hero’s suggestion that failure to negotiate appropriately and in good faith will fall in the laps of the temporary House majority?
First, you need to go read Nate Silver about the Republicans maintaining control of the House for at least the next 10 years. I think I heard this morning where it was said that for the Dems to take back control of the House then it would take at least a 7% more Dem vote then Republican vote.
2nd: The House of reps need to grow a pair and go back to regular order and pass bills that actually cuts the budget. I would recommend to them to use the Mack/Penny plan and freeze spending limits and actually cut 1% from each department per year until the budget is balanced. Let the President decide where the 1% is going to come from in the Executive branch and let him justify the cuts to the American people.
Shine
January 4th, 2013
12:57 pm
RT, you never suggested cuts for yourself either. Duty, honor, country, should demand you approach all VFWs and American Legion posts and demand to have your benefits legislated away at the federal and state level to keep granny from being threw out a nursing home and retarded children having to eat dirt.
Man up “jarhead”!!
Voter
January 4th, 2013
12:57 pm
@DJ Sniper – Get over it. Are you saying that numbers are wrong? Welfare is fast approaching $1 trillion dollars? Welfare has more than tripled since hussein obama took over office.
Shine
January 4th, 2013
1:00 pm
Voter, I have a mint copy of the Norquist no tax increase pledge. I got it out a republican’s trash can. Its still in the frame. Will trade for French rifle.
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:00 pm
theres one reason and one reason only why the repubs dont want to raise the debt ceiling; ITS BECAUSE A BLACK FAMILY IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE RACISTS CANT STAND IT…
td
January 4th, 2013
1:01 pm
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
12:52 pm
TD, it’s already been well documented that gerrymandering is the main reason why the GOP was able to hold on to the House. Democratic House candidates earned 49.15 percent of the popular vote, while Republicans earned only 48.03 percent.
And if you would actually read Nate Silver’s article on the subject you would find out that:
1: Both parties Gerrymander.
2: It is easier for the Republicans to Gerrymander Democratic districts because they normally live in high density urban areas and their districts can be packed with 80% to 90% democratic voters.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
1:02 pm
@Shine – He said Retired Soldier. Marines are jarheads. Man! Shine has to be by ex-wife. No one else could be that hard-headed!
Voter
January 4th, 2013
1:04 pm
@Shine – Voter, I have a mint copy of the Norquist no tax increase pledge. I got it out a republican’s trash can. Its still in the frame. Will trade for French rifle.
lol, now that’s funny.
Shine
January 4th, 2013
1:06 pm
Are Marines not soldiers? You must be my ex….dumb as a board/
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:10 pm
DJ SNIPER
the racist gop lost because they have no policies other than controlling a womans womb and making it harder for minorities to vote..
td
January 4th, 2013
1:12 pm
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:00 pm
theres one reason and one reason only why the repubs dont want to raise the debt ceiling; ITS BECAUSE A BLACK FAMILY IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE RACISTS CANT STAND IT…
From Sen. Obama’s Floor Speech, March 20, 2006:
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
Now do not let the FACTS get in the way of your uninformed RACIST rant.
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:13 pm
i guess the inept GOP love getting b1@tch slapped by BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA again..lol
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
1:13 pm
Voter, show me proof that welfare itself is approaching $1 trillion. Now you’re sounding like Newt Gingrich when he pretty much blamed Obama for the rise of people on food stamps.
TD, the fact remains that the people didn’t overwhelmingly put the GOP back in charge of the House like you claim. What I’m waiting to see is whether the people have enough sense to vote certain governors out of office. Rick Scott, John Kasich, and Rick Snyder are 3 that come to mind. I won’t even put Nathan Deal or Rick Perry in that group, because people in Georgia and Texas will vote GOP regardless of how screwed up the candidate is.
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:17 pm
td
the fact is that no other president had any problems raising the debt limit, why is this one different? its because thge racist gop cant stand the fact that their president is black, plain n simple…
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:19 pm
td
every other president had no problem raising the debt limit but they were white. Now all of a sudden when a black president is in the white house theres a problem…gee i wonder why.
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
1:19 pm
TD, as much as you refuse to admit it, a good deal of criticism of Obama does have to do with race. Race is still a huge issue in this country, and yes, there are still white people out here who oppose Obama simply because he’s black. It has nothing to do with his polices, his platform, or anything political. Does this apply to everybody who opposes Obama? Of course not, but you’re a fool if you think that race doesn’t play any role at all. Case in point: The birthers.
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:20 pm
the repubs hate for the black president trumps their love of country…
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:21 pm
the gop encouraged the racist birthers yet they say its not about color…its all about color
td
January 4th, 2013
1:25 pm
iberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:17 pm
td
the fact is that no other president had any problems raising the debt limit, why is this one different? its because thge racist gop cant stand the fact that their president is black, plain n simple…
Plain pure BS.
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:25 pm
the gop is determined to show that black boy in their whitehouse whose boss…
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:26 pm
td
i see u cant stand facts can you…but you are a birther..
Voter
January 4th, 2013
1:27 pm
@DJ Sniper – Case in point. Many who voted for obama, voted for him simply because he was black. Although, he is actually half white also.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
1:28 pm
@liberallefty – your opinion. Not facts.
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:28 pm
in the gop’s FAUX NEWS world, when you call out their racism they call you a racist…
Voter
January 4th, 2013
1:29 pm
@DJ Sniper – Check your latest Budget.gov websites, check the White House own assessments. Congress put out some numbers also. We’re at $800 billion and rising fast. End of 2013, we’ll be $900 billion. Guess what comes next?
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:31 pm
voter
why dont you put some more “husseins” into your text to make sure everybody knows his middle name. i’m sure after 6 years nobody knows what BARACKS’ middle name is…you remind me of DUMB MET fans that think theyre ragging on CHIPPER by calling him by his god given name of LARRY
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:33 pm
FACT; if the president was a white democrat the debt celing wouldnt be a problem..
td
January 4th, 2013
1:33 pm
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
1:19 pm
And you are fool if you do not believe that some black people voted for Obama only because he was black too. Race voting happens on both sides my friend. When is the last time you have seen a white person win a Democratic primary when running against a black person and blacks are the majority of the primary voter?
td
January 4th, 2013
1:35 pm
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:33 pm
FACT; if the president was a white democrat the debt celing wouldnt be a problem..
More BS. When the debt of the nation is over 100% of the GDP then debt is a problem no matter who, party or color of the person sitting in the WH.
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:36 pm
i love how repubs like to exaggerate the pronounciation of BARACKS’ middle name..guess what fools, the voters already know it and he still whipped the racist teapartybirthers like a drum..
Voter
January 4th, 2013
1:37 pm
@liberallefty – How about barack hussein obama? or obozo bin biden? or President Obama? Stay on subject, does any of this change the fact that OUR Country is headed in the wrong direction?
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:38 pm
td
sorry but youre just another birther…if the prez was white the debt ceiling issue wouldnt be a problem
Voter
January 4th, 2013
1:38 pm
typical liberals – deflect the subject, when confronted with real facts they deflect or then blame others.
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:41 pm
@voter
nope we’re headed in the right direction after the inept BUSH administration let OSAMA MURDER 3000 Americans..and crashed the economy…but i bet u think the country was doing ok then..lol
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:42 pm
@voter
u mean like youre on here everyday blaming everything on liberals…?
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:43 pm
the PEE PARTY is just a bunch uber patriot racists nothing more.
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
1:44 pm
The country would be headed in an even better direction if the GOP would get rid of the knuckle draggers who insist on keeping this country stuck in the past.
TD, I’m well aware that there are people who voted for Obama simply because he’s black. Thing is, I can admit this, but a lot of neo-cons can’t admit that their opposition to Obama is racially based.
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:45 pm
the only blacks the gop like are ones who make them comfortable with their racism like ALLEN WEST, TIM SCOTT and other tokens who bend over and let racists use them for a few pennies
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
1:47 pm
I’m sure that there are sane black conservatives out there, but sadly, their voices get drowned out by the crazies.
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:48 pm
the gop is breaking out a new token to parade in front of the world to prove theyre not racist and his name is TIM SCOTT…
td
January 4th, 2013
1:50 pm
iberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:43 pm
the PEE PARTY is just a bunch uber patriot racists nothing more.
More BS
td
January 4th, 2013
1:54 pm
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
1:44 pm
“TD, I’m well aware that there are people who voted for Obama simply because he’s black. Thing is, I can admit this, but a lot of neo-cons can’t admit that their opposition to Obama is racially based.”
Like I said I am convinced that some people vote on race. As far as Obama and his election cycles. It is very hard for be to believe anyone that is a Conservative would ever consider voting for him due to ideology. It has nothing to do with race at all. Kind of like how many African Americans would cross over and vote for Herman Cain just because he was black?
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:54 pm
@DJ
if theyre out there theyre as silent as a mouse peeing on cotton when it comes to calling out the blatant racism in the gop
td
January 4th, 2013
1:55 pm
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:45 pm
the only blacks the gop like are ones who make them comfortable with their racism like ALLEN WEST, TIM SCOTT and other tokens who bend over and let racists use them for a few pennies
More pure BS.
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:58 pm
td
black conservatives said nothing about the racist birther movement…because if they did they’d get thrown out of the gop
td
January 4th, 2013
1:59 pm
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
1:47 pm
I’m sure that there are sane black conservatives out there, but sadly, their voices get drowned out by the crazies.
No there voices are drowned out by the true Racist like liberalefty that will do anything to shut up a black person from saying anything Conservative. Just look at his above post, the black attacks on Herman Cain, Allan West and Clarance Thomas. A great deal of it was pure HATE because they all were Conservatives.
honested
January 4th, 2013
2:00 pm
Allen West, Joe Walsh, Tim Scott, all fading memories of failed former governance never to return……
Unlike the American Hero, Alan Grayson!!
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
2:01 pm
why should blacks vote for a party that disrespects the president because hes black? why should women vote for a party where the gop wants the governmennt to control their wombs.? why should gays vote for a party that denies them equality and the right to get married?
honested
January 4th, 2013
2:02 pm
Ahhh yes, clarence, ‘who put that pubic hair on my coffee cup’ thomas.
Let’s hope he is first to retire this Presidential term.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
2:02 pm
@liberallefty – “u mean like youre on here everyday blaming everything on liberals…?”
I’m not blaming liberals for everything. I blame Congress and the White House for this fiscal mess they are not dealing with. I blame liberals for voting obama into office. And I certainly don’t keep blaming Bush for problems, especially 9/11. That is insane.
td
January 4th, 2013
2:02 pm
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
1:58 pm
td
black conservatives said nothing about the racist birther movement…because if they did they’d get thrown out of the gop
You are such a freaking fool. The movement to see Obama’s BC was very small and grew because Obama wanted it to so that fools like you would unite behind him. He finally showed his BC when some real elected officials threatened to take him off the ballot if he did not.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
2:05 pm
The tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny, and it is useless for the innocent to try by reasoning to get justice, when the oppressor intends to be unjust.
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
2:05 pm
td
nope its not hate its the fact hat they say nothing about the racism by the gop..and if THURGOOD MARSHALL wasnt black CLARENCE wouldnt have been nominated…hes an affirmative action justice…lol
td
January 4th, 2013
2:06 pm
honested
January 4th, 2013
2:02 pm
Ahhh yes, clarence, ‘who put that pubic hair on my coffee cup’ thomas.
Yes, a “high tech lynching” of a black conservative and what did the black community do? Sit on the side lines and kept their mouth shut when if that would have happened to a black progressive then they would have been marching in the streets calling all of the Republican Senators Racist. Thank you for making my point.
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
2:10 pm
td
see to a black person just the fact that this wasnt asked of white presidents means thats its all because of his color..but as a birther u fail to see that
Voter
January 4th, 2013
2:12 pm
@liberallefty – “why should blacks vote for a party that disrespects the president because hes black? why should women vote for a party where the gop wants the governmennt to control their wombs.? why should gays vote for a party that denies them equality and the right to get married?”
Who said all Republicans disrespect the President because he’s black? Some may but most dislike him because he’s not qualified nor a good leader.
Who said the Government wants to control a woman’s womb? Killing a baby is wrong.
And the gays should not be allowed to marry. no one said they didn’t have equality. When 2 gay men or 2 gay women can produce a baby, then we can discuss marriage.
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
2:12 pm
td
i thought black conservatives didnt use the race card…clarence did…lol
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
2:14 pm
voter
some men/woman couples cant make a baby …does that mean they shouldnt be married? what has making a baby have to do with marriage? and if gays arent allowed to marry like heterosexuals then THEYRE NOT EQUAL…smh
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
2:16 pm
black conservatives said nothing about the racist birther movement…i wonder why..
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
2:18 pm
voter
if a woman cant have control of her reproductive rights then the government owns her rights…like in saudi arabia,iran, etc..
Voter
January 4th, 2013
2:20 pm
@liberallefty – Just because some men & women don’t make a baby, doesn’t mean they can’t. 2 gay men or 2 gay women will NEVER produce a baby. Which means, follow me here, which means, if we put all the gay men on 1 island in the Atlantic and all the gay women on 1 island in the Pacific, civilization would die off, no procreation means no babies.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
2:21 pm
@liberallefty – Just because she has a womb, does not give her the right to murder.
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
2:22 pm
voter
who cares about islands? gays live in the real world and they have a right to get married..and why do u care what they do anyway, dont you have a life?
Voter
January 4th, 2013
2:22 pm
And if women want reproductive rights of their wombs, don’t get pregnant in the first place. You can’t have it both ways.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
2:23 pm
@liberallefty – I knew you couldn’t follow it.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
2:26 pm
Shine-
Not a jarhead. BTW I did suggest my benefits could be cut, means testing SS and Medicare, though I am to young for either.
Marlboro Man
January 4th, 2013
2:32 pm
Not the presidents problem unless congress fails again. Didn’t have this problem before 2008.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
2:32 pm
@Retired Soldier – I tried to explain to Shine the difference but since no one in his family has ever served, it was difficult. He probably thinks Navy carriers are manned by soldiers too.
td
January 4th, 2013
2:32 pm
Voter
January 4th, 2013
2:21 pm
@liberallefty – Just because she has a womb, does not give her the right to murder.
Amen
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
2:35 pm
voter
yep its hard to follow your bigotry…
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
2:36 pm
voter
to the gop less government doesnt apply to a womans womb…
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
2:36 pm
LL-
I have a question for you: If an African-American disagreed with George Bush, is that racist?
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
2:37 pm
i love the 2 losing platforms of the gop…gay rights and abortion..next ya’ll will be fighting for poll taxes
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
2:38 pm
retired soldier
if they demanded his birth certificate it would be..
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
2:41 pm
why would the gop expect gays to vote for them when the gop is bigoted toward gays?
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
2:42 pm
WHY DIDNT THE BLACK CONSERVATIVES SPeak up about the racist birther movement?
Voter
January 4th, 2013
2:47 pm
@liberallefty – They ask for your Birth certificate when you get a U.S. Passport don’t they? In some states, to get a Driver’s License, you need your Birth Certificate. Some jobs, especially with security clearances. Why not when you run for President?
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
2:50 pm
LL-
So if say they disagreed with Bush’s tax policy or military policy that would be racist?
mike
January 4th, 2013
2:54 pm
I am glad to see the conservatives here are still holding on to all the ignorance which caused them to lose the last election. Just go forward with that same thinking. I guess they think the results will be different the next time. Aren’t you people tired of the same old stuff after all these years.
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
2:56 pm
the black conservatives are just tokens who get patted on the head by their racist masters to beat up on blacks..
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
2:57 pm
voter
nice try by but any reasonable person knows the birther movement was about race..only a racist would say it wasnt
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
2:59 pm
LL-
Guess you don’t want to answer the question, because to do so honestly would expose you for lightly using the race card left and right. Disagree by making a better informed point, not with race.
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
3:00 pm
how many republican women voted for OBAMA because they didnt want to give up their reproductive rights to the government…then they put their ROMNEY pin on in public…lol
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
3:03 pm
Mike-
Please inform me, what ignorance do I have?
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
3:03 pm
retired soldier
to say the hatred for OBAMA isnt about race is a lie.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
3:04 pm
LL-
Thank you for not answering my question. You must be an elected offical.
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
3:07 pm
didnt know that i had to answer your question…didnt get the memo
Voter
January 4th, 2013
3:12 pm
@mike – “Aren’t you people tired of the same old stuff after all these years.”
Doesn’t mean we’re wrong. If you think this administration and Congress is doing so well, then I hope you are working and will see a difference in your paycheck.
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
3:15 pm
Voter, it’s becoming increasingly clear where you head is at. The issue about Obama’s birth certificate was nothing but a racial thing. There’s plenty of proof that Obama is a US citizen, but that didn’t stop the birther idiots from dragging this thing out over the past 4 years. Even if Obama was born overseas, he would still be a citizen because his mother was a citizen. I guess the birthers ignored that little piece of the constitution. And TD’s claim about Obama being the one dragging this issue out is more right wing comedy.
Regarding abortion: You may not approve of it, but it is a legal procedure. If you don’t approve of it, then don’t have one, and don’t recommend any of your loved ones have one, but stop trying to force your choices onto other people who may feel different.
yuzeyurbrane
January 4th, 2013
3:15 pm
Newt is right this time.
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
3:16 pm
voter
anybody who blames the government because theyre not working arent going to work anyway
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
3:16 pm
voter
anybody who blames the government because theyre not working arent going to work anyway
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
3:17 pm
anybody who says the birther movement wasnt about race is lying
liberalefty
January 4th, 2013
3:21 pm
now the gop threatens to shut the government down over the debt ceiling…would they do this if OBAMA was white? of course not
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 4th, 2013
3:24 pm
I’m kinda new to this blog and was in need of an answer to a question to some of the regulars here – has this troll “liberalefty” ever said anything useful or even factual?
I’ll hang up and listen for my answer.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
3:25 pm
LL-
Enough, know history if you want to argue politics. Clinton, he was closed under him, was he black?
Out of here.
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
3:38 pm
The GOP continues to be stuck in a time warp. A legislator in Virginia has introduced a fresh set of anti abortion legislation, and an Indiana state senator has introduced legislation that would require the lord’s prayer to be recited in Indiana schools.
Will somebody tell these fools that we are now in the 21st century?
Voter
January 4th, 2013
3:39 pm
@liberallefty – Time for your meds.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
3:39 pm
@DJ Sniper – Time for your meds.
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
3:49 pm
You first Voter. Some of what you’ve said makes it clear that you need them.
MANGLER
January 4th, 2013
3:52 pm
“Spend money only on what we tell you to, or we’ll default on money we’ve already spent!”
Voter
January 4th, 2013
3:52 pm
@DJ Sniper – So you think 16+ trillion in debt and increased spending is good for America?
td
January 4th, 2013
3:54 pm
Aesop’s Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 4th, 2013
3:24 pm
I’m kinda new to this blog and was in need of an answer to a question to some of the regulars here – has this troll “liberalefty” ever said anything useful or even factual?
I’ll hang up and listen for my answer.
No the blogger has not. All he/she does is see everything in color and wants to blame whitey for all of Obama’s faults.
Kris
January 4th, 2013
3:56 pm
Yet another 2 years America sits on hold by the GOP slime “bonehead, sax johnny (potty) and the fat jawed GOP carrier slime bags….
We need to Recall all of these goofballs… Yes shady your in the bag too.
Can america survive anopthet 200 or 300 votes on repealing the Affordable health care Act…or 200 or 499 voted on useless (GOP ) legislation..5000 votes on Women’s health…… ..SAD Very Sad
Voter
January 4th, 2013
3:56 pm
@DJ Sniper & @liberallefty – Still waiting for your idea. What do you suggest? More taxes? More Spending? Or business as usual?
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
3:58 pm
Our debt and spending are an issue, but let’s not act like the GOP is working in the interest of fairness here. Ever since these Tea Party came around, the right has adopted a “my way or the highway” mentality. Somebody needs to tell these fools that acting like spoiled children is not the way to govern.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
3:59 pm
@Kris – more name calling. Who was in the White House these past 4 years? Democrats passed ObamaCare, why didn’t they take care of all the other issues? Why continue to blame the GOP for what the Democrats have done? Business as usual. We’ll be at $20 trillion in debt by end of obama’s term. Whose fault will that be? Reagan’s?
Voter
January 4th, 2013
4:00 pm
@DJ Sniper – still waiting for your suggestion on debt and spending.
Kris
January 4th, 2013
4:03 pm
Voter….I call it the truth…Legitimate Rape, Gods will if a pregnancy happen during a violent crime and the list goes on….The GOP is a bunch of perverted #holes and scat bags…
Voter
January 4th, 2013
4:05 pm
@Kris – Different issues. We were talking originally about fiscal responsibility and debt and deficits.
What’s your suggestion for the debt and spending?
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
4:08 pm
Voter, I’m no economist, and I suck royally at math, so it would take me a bit longer than most to really sit down and come up with a solution. Increased revenue and decreased spending is a basic start.
td
January 4th, 2013
4:09 pm
DJ Sniper
January 4th, 2013
3:58 pm
Our debt and spending are an issue, but let’s not act like the GOP is working in the interest of fairness here. Ever since these Tea Party came around, the right has adopted a “my way or the highway” mentality. Somebody needs to tell these fools that acting like spoiled children is not the way to govern.
You have not been involved in politics to long have you my friend? Ask Reagan or Clinton what happens when you are President and the other party is in control. The house normally gets 75% of what they want and the President gets 25%
Voter
January 4th, 2013
4:11 pm
@DJ Sniper – Ok, what would you do if your employer cut your paycheck and now each month you will be short on your bills by $500? You can’t find another job, it will conflict with your current. Spend more on the lottery in hopes of winning? Or do you cut your bills down?
Don Abernethy
January 4th, 2013
4:13 pm
Our two senators are in Obama’s pocket.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
4:16 pm
@Don Abernathy – “Our two senators are in Obama’s pocket.”
Why do you think that?
td
January 4th, 2013
4:34 pm
ANN COULTER: Why, as that man just said, why aren’t we getting names of recently paroled criminals? People with gun permits, by definition, do not criminal records. Why can’t we get the criminal records? No, you can’t get that. Why can’t we get a record of women who have had abortions? They get money from Planned Parenthood, they get money from Medicare, from Medicaid. They’re tax subsidies. I think, you know, mothers might want to know what other women on their street might be willing to murder a child.
Just have to love it when the hypocrisy of the left is brought into full view.
Kris
January 4th, 2013
5:26 pm
Don Abernethy “”Our two senators are in Obama’s pocket.”
Hope your right and in the long run more gop join President Obama !
However I would caution President Obama, treat them like a snake in the grass (when you see it you know where it is).
Voter
January 4th, 2013
5:43 pm
@td – “Just have to love it when the hypocrisy of the left is brought into full view.”
Well said.
Monorail cat
January 4th, 2013
5:52 pm
Step by step republican plan to troll america.
1. In the house of representatives, which you control, authorise a budget spending more than you will take in
2. When you run out of money and need to borrow in order to pay the bills you already racked up, tell obama this is his fault
3. Finally, and this is key! Refuse any amount of cuts obama offers no matter what! This the issue never goes away andgullible conseratives will continue to derp it up in the comments sections
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 4th, 2013
5:58 pm
obozo offered cuts? When did this happen? Geez you step out for more than a few minutes and the whole world is turned up on it’s ear.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 4th, 2013
5:58 pm
Oh, you’re talking about national security cuts, never mind.
Monorail cat
January 4th, 2013
6:02 pm
@ Aesop’s Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
Derpderpderpderpderp
Voter
January 4th, 2013
6:11 pm
@Aesop – Correct he was talking about the cuts to the State Department for security for Embassy’s overseas.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
6:12 pm
@Monorail cut – 1st off, what budget? No budget has been done in almost 5 years!
monorail cat
January 4th, 2013
6:44 pm
Voting for a Continuing Resolution of the previous budget is voting for a budget.
herp-a-derp
Hiram
January 4th, 2013
6:47 pm
Voter
January 4th, 2013
5:43 pm
@td – “Just have to love it when the hypocrisy of the left is brought into full view.”
Well said.
@ td/cc/Voter
What is your objective – to sway others to your point of view, or just talk to hear your head roar? I think the latter.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
7:03 pm
@Hiram – Where you been?
We just talk to hear our roar!
Corey
January 4th, 2013
7:05 pm
Let’s see. Two wars, one lasting over eight years the other over twelve years; a new bloated cabinet level department(DHS) replete with all the trimmings rivaling DOD created because 911 scared the sh$% out of us; a never ending war on terror; two tax cuts extended when they were set to expire; a financial meltdown and TARP; a stimulus bill with another 25% as tax cuts. Republicans in Congress think we are stupid enough to believe that Mr. Obama crafted legislation single handedly to borrow and pay for everything listed above. Sadly, the Republican electorate in red states believe them. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Even if one sat in civics class and daydreamed one should know better.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
7:05 pm
@Monorail cat – You are correct. Which bypasses what the Constitution intended. I guess that’s why obama can’t stay within a budget like the States have to. By law.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
7:06 pm
I am conservative hear me roar.
How was that?
Voter
January 4th, 2013
7:08 pm
@Corey – Obama didn’t craft any legislation other than ObamaCare, (you’ll see the tax results of that this year). He wrote Executive Orders and just spent the money bypassing Congress.
Corey
January 4th, 2013
7:10 pm
@Monorail cat I guess that’s why obama can’t stay within a budget like the States have to. By law.
and every POTUS prior to him did?
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
7:11 pm
Corey-
You are kidding, right? Two wars, one Obama followed the Bush path of withdrawal and the second Obama has chosen to continue, strike that, expand for 5-6 years.
DHS? I agree it ought to go, Obama had a Dem Congress for two years if that was a priority for him.
Tax cuts? You mean the tax cuts Obama extended two years ago and made permament for 99% of Americans this week? Those tax cuts?
Financial meltdown brought on by Freddy and Fannie, that meltdown?
Now what was your point again?
Voter
January 4th, 2013
7:12 pm
@Corey – Actually that was me.
Monorail Cat is on your side.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
7:13 pm
@Retired Soldier – Good points. ( hear us roar! )
Corey
January 4th, 2013
7:14 pm
@Voter
January 4th, 2013
7:05 pm
Two wars, one lasting over eight years the other over twelve years; a new bloated cabinet level department(DHS) replete with all the trimmings rivaling DOD created because 911 scared the sh$% out of us; a never ending war on terror; two tax cuts extended when they were set to expire; a financial meltdown and TARP
so you are saying Mr. Obama did these things by executive order also?
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
7:16 pm
Thank you Voter.
Corey
January 4th, 2013
7:16 pm
Voter, I’m a retired Air Force vet having a senior moment.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
7:18 pm
@Corey – I’ll use Retired Soldiers blog:
You are kidding, right? Two wars, one Obama followed the Bush path of withdrawal and the second Obama has chosen to continue, strike that, expand for 5-6 years.
DHS? I agree it ought to go, Obama had a Dem Congress for two years if that was a priority for him.
Tax cuts? You mean the tax cuts Obama extended two years ago and made permament for 99% of Americans this week? Those tax cuts?
Financial meltdown brought on by Freddy and Fannie, that meltdown?
Voter
January 4th, 2013
7:19 pm
@Corey – No problem, and thank you for serving.
Retired Soldier
January 4th, 2013
7:21 pm
Corey-
BTW, I taught Civics as well as political science and International Relations.
Corey
January 4th, 2013
7:24 pm
FactCheck.org: so far he(Obama) has signed 139 executive orders
He(GW Bush) wrote 291 in his 8 years in office. Obama is in line with the same number if he keeps going at his current rate.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
7:31 pm
@Corey – I saw that. Actually, Bush did 160 in 8 years. Obama will catch him, maybe even Clinton’s 360+.
Voter
January 4th, 2013
7:32 pm
@Corey – I saw that. Actually, Bush did 160 in 8 years. Obama will catch him, maybe even Clinton’s 360+. Let’s not forget his last one on 12/31/12 giving raises to the VP and certain members of Congress.
Corey
January 4th, 2013
7:33 pm
Voter, my point is and remains congressional Republicans are trying to pretend that they no longer have any affect on the nation’s checkbook which is explicitly spelled out in the Constitution. You and I both know it’s rubbish, or if you prefer, politics.
Corey
January 4th, 2013
7:33 pm
Voter, my point is and remains congressional Republicans are trying to pretend that they no longer have any affect on the nation’s checkbook which is explicitly spelled out in the Constitution. You and I both know it’s rubbish, or if you prefer, politics.
clem
January 4th, 2013
7:38 pm
think your finances safe? bankers still at it.
http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/01/04/banks-win-delay-on-derivatives-rule/
andy
January 4th, 2013
8:02 pm
Senator Taxiby Chambliss has disgraced the mighty bulldog nation when he claimed to be a junkyard dog. I think he meant to say miniature puddle (all bark and no bite). When President Obama told him to roll over and play dead – he and Johnny Isakson were more than willing to obey.
Kris
January 4th, 2013
8:40 pm
I hope that taxby a johnny had time to dry their paints after bonehead got on to them….
Just remember sax,john-boy and shady never met a tax dollar they did not likes spend.
Moon Mullins
January 4th, 2013
9:07 pm
I must admit I’m not a fan of Newt Gingrich and feel very strange complementing him; but he has it right when he says the Republicans are going to crap in their mess kits if they try to leverage the debt ceiling debacle into a full-blown confrontation with the POTUS.
These ol’ boys just don’t get it. They lost seats in the House and they lost seats in the Senate. The American People have repudiated their idiotic ideas.
George Will had it right when he said, “Conservative define themselves in terms of what they oppose.” They don’t/can’t PROPOSE, so they dedicate themselves to the negative position of OPPOSING everything. And, that gets old in a hurry. This chronic negativism just won’t feed the dog as the country is trying to dig its way out of a terrible economic crisis.
Experts say that their obstructionist strategy and their cut, cut, cut mantra will kick us back into the full throes of a recession. They just don’t get it, but the American People are having an epiphany and are fed up with their antics.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 4th, 2013
9:20 pm
We’ll take our chances, moon, thanks anyway.
Corey
January 4th, 2013
9:27 pm
According to the Jan. 4 final tally by Cook’s David Wasserman after all states certified their votes, Democratic House candidates won 59,645,387 votes in November to the Republicans’ 58,283,036, a difference of 1,362,351. On a percentage basis, Democrats won, 49.15 percent to 48.03 percent.
This in itself is an extraordinary result: Only three or four other times in the past century has a party lost the popular vote but won control of the House. But computer-aided gerrymandering is helping to make such undemocratic results the norm — to the decided advantage of Republicans, who controlled state governments in 21 states after the 2010 Census, almost double the 11 for Democrats
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 4th, 2013
9:41 pm
Corey – Maybe you shouldn’t concentrate your most reliable voting bloc into urban housing projects, no?
td
January 4th, 2013
9:48 pm
Corey
January 4th, 2013
9:27 pm
This could mean that Obama had very high turnout in predominate Democratic urban district. African American turnout accounted for 13% of all votes cast while they represent 12% of the population. Considering that African American live in mostly packed urban areas and white voter turnout was down in mostly surburban and rural districts then there is the margin of victory.
http://www.tnr.com/blog/electionate/110068/the-overlooked-question-2016-the-future-black-turnout#
td
January 4th, 2013
9:59 pm
Corey
January 4th, 2013
9:27 pm
Yes Gerrymandering districts is real and has happened in this country since the beginning of the nation (just ask the Dems that controlled the US house of reps for 40 years). You should go and read this article by the Dem guru Nate Silver about how the effects of a truly divided nation between urban areas, rural areas and suburban areas make over packing of Dems in Congressional districts easy.
td
January 4th, 2013
10:00 pm
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/27/as-swing-districts-dwindle-can-a-divided-house-stand/
USMC
January 4th, 2013
10:56 pm
JIM GALLOWAY IS A LIBERAL HACK!
How about some Intellectual Honesty for once in your life, JIM?!?
lynnie Gal
January 4th, 2013
10:58 pm
Aesop seems to think Liberals spent all this money we owe on our deficits. Short memory span–maybe Aseop should get an MRI, because he must have been unconscious from 2001-2008. What actually caused this financial crisis and deficits is the TWO UNFUNDED WARS started by BUSH/CHENEY, who simultaneously GAVE TAX BREAKS, most of which went to the WEALTHY. Not only that, Bush’s DEREGULATION OF WALL STREET caused the crash & then HENRY PAULSON demanded we bail out FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS. This, my memory challenged friend, is what ran up our deficit.
Attack Dog
January 5th, 2013
12:12 am
Forget the Dixiecan rhetoric. 1. Obama won 2. The debt ceiling will get done regardless or Dixiecans will be held responsible for adding to the debt because of interest rates. 3. All Obama wants is for Saxby and Boehner to present a bill to the American people with exactly what line items want cut. 4. Entitlements currently have nothing to do with the debt 5. Two, Three, and Four are mutually exclusive.
Rabbit
January 5th, 2013
1:13 am
‘Oh my God, this will be a gigantic heart attack, the entire economy of the world will collapse. You guys can’t be responsible.’ And they’ll cave.”
Not often do I agree with the Newt, but he’s right and When I read the schizophrenic Sen. Chambliss (rational one minute out there the next) says the debt ceiling is a chin strap moment, I just want to sell off my stocks and go huddle in the back yard. Good grief will these guys ever get that THEY are the problem?
Buymadeinusjobs
January 5th, 2013
7:13 am
When the GOP tea partyers say cut spending, cut entitlements, they mean cut medicare, cut social security, cut medicaid, cut veterans retirement, charge for tricare for life, other veterans programs.
I believe Ryan’s Budget was included in rules for 113Th congress adopted by Republicans yesterday, check c-span.
How many of us can afford in red states to pay $3,000 per month for nursing home care for parents/disabled relatives in a nursing home without medicaid help.
the population is getting older, there are more veterans because of wars so it is a helluva time to cut their benefits. How many of you can afford to save for retirement, or will be able to afford your nursing home care if you become disabled?
Are you going to kill all the old people in nursing homes so you can cut medicaid?
You might want to tell GOP ers when you said cut spending you mean for them to close all bases overseas, close all embassies, stop being police of world to protect all American Multi-national corporation/wealthy who destroyed good paying manufacturing jobs by hiring workers all over the world for $1 an hour.
Close all tax loopholes for wealthy/corporations and apply that to paying for war/defense.
Put transaction tax on stock market/all financial transactions to pay for pension funds that were turned over to the federal gov’t to be paid or eliminate all tax breaks for all retirements.
Let everyone pay into and live on social security.
fix the debt group[100 CEO with their high pay , retirement, healthcare saying cut medicare is so greedy.] One was from Honeywell which gets billions in defense contracts, they did not say a word about cut defense budget .
Wall Street /wealthy bought votes for GOP ?Congessmen/women by giving millions to super pacs, Koch/American Prosperity , Freedom Works and Karl Rove American Crossroads and about 600 more to run negative ads.
If Wealthy do not want Republicans to default or play with debt ceiling and get another downgrade from S& P, then they need to tell them the money spigot will be turned off,
President Obama has already warned them he was not getting in the mud with them again about the debt ceiling so it’s between republicans and their wealthy supporters.
The House is responsible for making the laws and funding the government with taxes so they just need to write up their bill for their spending cuts in entitlements, social security, veterans benefits, medicare, medicaid right now and send it to the senate who will admend it and send it back to them.
They need to debate each item on house and senate floor so we can hear what they each say to help us decide who has working class not rich in their thoughts when they make laws.
middle of the road
January 5th, 2013
9:27 am
Since all spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives (see US Constitution) and the House is majority Republican, then they are responsible for creating a bill raising the debt limit. Then they send it to the Senate, and , if it is voted in there, THEN it goes to Obama for his signature. If they don’t create a bill, then the blame falls on the Republicans when the government shuts down (remember that in the past?). If they create a bill that the American public thinks is out of line with reality, and the Senate or President vetoes it, they will be blamed by the public if the government shuts down. So it should be up to the House to create a reasonable bill to put through – it can address entitlements to some degree (SS to a very minor degree) but it had better do some major spending cuts to the defense department, since everyone knows that is one of the biggest spenders.
I don’t believe in holding the “full faith and credit” of the US hostage at debt ceiling increase time – I think that should have been dealt with at budget time (budgets also MUST originate in the House).
SueEllenEwing
January 5th, 2013
9:36 am
Why is Johnny still in office? What has he done for this state? I am so sick of these old white guys pretending they know what’s best. Retire, Johnny and get the heck out of the way.