Fiscal cliff action to come Sunday … maybe
Harry Reid returns to his office Friday after White House meeting (The New York Times/T.J. Kirkpatrick)
The United States Senate has the ball in its hands.
This afternoon’s White House fiscal cliff summit appears to have generated some movement toward a deal, with just more than 72 hours to go. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell both took the floor afterwards in an unusually conciliatory manner, pledging to work with their staffs to come up with a plan that can pass both Houses of Congress. Reid said “we’ll see what we can come up with.” McConnell said he was “hopeful and confident” that both sides will have a deal to take to their conferences shortly after 2 p.m. on Sunday. The words were noncommittal, but the tone was a vast improvement over the deep freeze of recent days.
That would likely be a short-term deal. President Barack Obama did not present a new plan at the meeting — a fact that, once leaked, caused a stock market dip — and told reporters this evening that he was “modestly optimistic:”
I’m optimistic we may be able to reach an agreement that can pass both houses in time. Sens. Reid and McConnell are working on such an agreement as we speak. If an agreement isn’t reached in time between Sen. Reid and Sen. McConnell I will urge Sen. Reid to bring to the floor a basic package for an up-or-down vote. … The American people are watching what we do here. Obviously their patience is already thin. This is déjà vu all over again.
House Speaker John Boehner also showed some wiggle room here. Democrats’ primary fear is that they go out on a limb on taxes and spending, and then the House does not bother to take it up. Boehner’s failure to whip votes on his “Plan B” did not inspire confidence across the hall. But with help from Democrats, Boehner can shepherd something to passage — it just might not be what the conservative base of his caucus likes. Here’s what a Boehner aide had to say after the White House meeting:
The Speaker told the President that if the Senate amends the House-passed legislation and sends back a plan, the House will consider it – either by accepting or amending. The group agreed that the next step should be the Senate taking bipartisan action.
This is a significant signal to the Senate that any Reid-McConnell accord would make it to the House floor. The details, as always, remain up in the air.
- By Daniel Malloy, Political Insider
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Voter
December 28th, 2012
6:27 pm
Typical political posturing.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
December 28th, 2012
6:55 pm
Why would progs be so worried about returning tax rates to what they were during the Clinton administration?
td
December 28th, 2012
7:11 pm
Let us see the spending cuts the Dems have before we agree to any tax hikes.
Kris
December 28th, 2012
7:25 pm
There may have been an election, but that didn’t settle things. We’re exactly where we were this time last year
Stupid GOP people hold America HOSTAGE Again and again.
Smart people prepare for what is going to happen. (out looking for 2nd job).
I has spoken, preparations have been taken.
Hang glider is prepared for liftoff.
Fire Boehner! Recall his sorry A$$, Arrest him foe impersonating a humam
td
December 28th, 2012
7:31 pm
Kris
December 28th, 2012
7:25 pm
You actually believe that raising taxes on the rich is going to solve our problems. You bought the BS and you actually thought one election was going to make Obama the supreme leader again. I feel sorry for you but the good news is that you are actually learning and there is hope for you when you finish growing up.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
December 28th, 2012
7:44 pm
oboz didn’t present a new plan? When did he ever present a plan?
Well, except for his vacation plans.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
December 28th, 2012
7:45 pm
And I’ll bet he’s got a plan for tomorrow’s round of golf.
Voter
December 28th, 2012
8:09 pm
@Kris – Stupid GOP people hold America HOSTAGE Again and again.
Kris, who do you think passed the Budget Control Act of 2011 that is about to start these cuts? Your Dems as well as the president signed it. Stop blaming the GOP when you don’t know what you are talking about.
td
December 28th, 2012
8:25 pm
“If you put tax increases on the table, there’s never any spending restraint,” Norquist said, citing examples where taxes went up under previous administrations but spending continued unfettered.”
“All Obama has done for the last four years is clamor for higher taxes to spend more money,” the president of Americans for Tax Reform told CNBC. “The only time we’ve beat him back on spending at all was during the debt-ceiling crisis.”
Norquist said Obama was “willing to save $1 trillion by not occupying Iraq for the next decade. He wanted to count that like not continuing the War of 1812 was his budget cut.”
He added that raising taxes isn’t a compromise because the problem is spending.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100344156
Shine
December 28th, 2012
8:26 pm
The president is punking out if he doesnt stick to his guns on the above 250 grand going back up to the clinton rates.
He has already punked out even suggesting some other form of cost of living adjustment for SOCIAL SECURITY that will be even worse than the farce presently used which is no where near the actual cost of living increase. I am retired. My cost of living this year is 40 bukcs a month. What a crock of bs.
If he does it will prove he is a weak arse president but still better than the kook romneyy/ryan ticket.
Shine
December 28th, 2012
8:29 pm
I am pretty sure ending a war is a spending cut even to most kooks. Of course they some norquist worshippers aka nuts who wouldnt see a new unfunded war as a spending increase.
Shine
December 28th, 2012
8:32 pm
TD, you kooks dont have to agree to any tax hikes. They coming in 4 days regardless. We will remember the GOP treachery in two years.
Voter
December 28th, 2012
8:33 pm
@Shine – “…but still better than the kook romneyy/ryan ticket.”
Better? Very funny, your hussein obama has spent more than any president in history in 4 years, yet others are to blame. Why don’t you stop and smell what your shoveling?
CONS...JUST not RIGHT
December 28th, 2012
8:35 pm
Obama’s 57% approval rating is not an ILLUSION.
CONS will pay in 2014.
Just like they did in 2012.
Hillary for President in 2016.
Liberals 2 Cons ZZZZZROE
Cons will never win the White House after this shameful
DEBACLE.
WE WILL NEVER FORGET WHAT THEY DO AND WHAT
THEY DID.
Shine
December 28th, 2012
8:38 pm
Dear Voter the kook, The President has only spent what past Congresses have agreed to. For instance, when Reagan the Great pushed for this and that and agreed to this and that and it was all unfunded, the debt ceiling has to go up because of Reagan etc etc etc..
How you like tehg smell of the truth?
Shine
December 28th, 2012
8:41 pm
Dear Voter the kook, who is to pay for Bush’s unfunded Medicare Part D? Oh that too is Obama’s fault.
I can do this all day.
Voter
December 28th, 2012
8:45 pm
@Shine – lol, “How you like tehg smell of the truth?”
The truth? Not sure how old you are, but you should check the facts before typing your nonsense.
With Reagan and then Bush, this Country was returning to it’s world dominance in production as well as GDP. Also, if you check you will see the increases in National Debt increased dramatically under hussein obama. At the same time we have had record highs in unemployment. How’s that for the truth?
CONS...JUST not RIGHT
December 28th, 2012
8:46 pm
@td
December 28th, 2012
8:25 pm
“All Obama has done for the last four years is clamor for higher taxes to spend more money,” the president of Americans for Tax Reform told CNBC. “The only time we’ve beat him back on spending at all was during the debt-ceiling crisis.”
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Po folks defending RICH folks.
AIN’T THAT RICH.
A POOR man would rather the RICH pay less TAXES than he does
because Obama wants to raise taxes on the rich.
“SOME”…….(we know who they are) POOR FOLKS ARE DUMB AS HECK.
WHY is it that “SOME” poor folks who opposes Obama all talk with a Southern drawl?
Why is it?
Voter
December 28th, 2012
8:47 pm
@Shine – Bush isn’t President- hussein obama is and he hasn’t kept 1 promise that he campaigned for except obamacare. let’s see how that works for you
Voter
December 28th, 2012
8:49 pm
It’s funny with ObamaCare that the democrats are now asking for the increase in taxes be delayed. I thought ObamaCare was a good thing for American’s with no tax increase or loss of benefits? Hmmm
Voter
December 28th, 2012
8:51 pm
@CONS…JUST not RIGHT – “WHY is it that “SOME” poor folks who opposes Obama all talk with a Southern drawl?”
“Why is it?”
How do you determine a Southern drawl from typed words? Like Y’all or Ain’t? lol
Shine
December 28th, 2012
8:54 pm
Thank God Obama was reelected and America was saved. I am plenty old enough Voter the kook. I remember the 18% interest rate for mortgage loans under Reagan the Great. And the interest alone for the Reagan and Bushey family deficits is like 250 billion a year or 2 trillion over a decade just by themselves.
Man them some great fiscal conservatives in the GOP by golly.
Voter
December 28th, 2012
9:08 pm
@Shine – obviously you don’t remember – hussein obama has that all beat but in the wrong direction. Look at gas prices, unemployment, national debt, 5.2 trillion increase in debt, the list goes on. Not to mention other Presidents were able to work with both sides on the House and Senate. All hussein can do is hire people for his cabinet who are not qualified and owe taxes themselves. Let’s not forget the Czars. And what was his answer to businesses to increase jobs? oh yeah, let’s create a Secretary of Business. More Government, yeah that’s what we need.
Voter
December 28th, 2012
9:15 pm
@Shine – “Thank God Obama was reelected and America was saved.”
Saved? Get real. You need a DiNozzo slap upside the head.
td
December 28th, 2012
9:16 pm
Shine
December 28th, 2012
8:26 pm
The COLA was never in the original plan for SS and is part of the reason it is running a deficit and will probably not be around when I retire. It is as bad a your President using up funds by having the SSA to approve more people then any other President in history to receive SSI so that he could get the unemployment numbers down before election. And while you are at it think about how much the cut to “payroll taxes” are costing the trust fund now and in the future.
Yes, Obama is responsible for this plus a trillion dollar a year deficit but you just go ahead and keep thinking he is taking care of you and keep voting for them Dems all the way until the time they actually have to cut your benefits because the country is bankrupt.
BTW: Even if the taxes go back up to Clinton era rates for people over $250,000 that only adds $80 billion to revenues (before you take out for the negative effects that will cause layoffs) and will still are $1 trillion in the hole.
Shine
December 28th, 2012
9:18 pm
Voter…yawnnnnnnnnnnnn…….I remember well. Spending is bad only when democrats do it. Spending cuts are fine too just dont cut any republican kook goodies.
You nut supporters lost the election. Grow up and take the defeat instead of whining like sore losing infants.
td
December 28th, 2012
9:20 pm
CONS…JUST not RIGHT
December 28th, 2012
8:35 pm
Maybe you should read Nate Silver’s (lib guru) article linked earlier today on this blog. He said there is no way Republicans will lose the house for at least 10 years.
Voter
December 28th, 2012
9:21 pm
@Shine – Old news. hussein is in office now and the past 4 years. Let’s hear what he has done for America.
td
December 28th, 2012
9:23 pm
Shine
December 28th, 2012
9:18 pm
Republicans lost the Presidency and the voters decided that they should not lose all power and wanted a check so they left the Republicans in charge of the HOR’s. This means Obama must COMPROMISE and give in to the ones that control the house because they control the money. If you do not believe this then ask Regan or Clinton what they had to do to get anything done.
Voter
December 28th, 2012
9:23 pm
@td – well said about taxes. They just don’t get it. Spending has got to stop.
Bob Loblaw
December 28th, 2012
9:23 pm
Time for the Speaker to lead. That caucus doesn’t approve whatever the Senate passes and splits, with Dem support, to get a deal? The TEA Party dies. At some point, the problems have to be addressed and if you don’t have the votes, you negotiate. The “a-wholes” Westmoreland referred to better get on board or be left behind. The country needs them, but they’re playing to the political base back home that cost the GOP the U.S. Senate and the White House.
Shine
December 28th, 2012
9:24 pm
TD, Social Security is not running a deficit. Perhaps if Republicans hadnt borrowed the surplus money for unfunded wars etc deficits would be less.
I keep hearing its only this and that much if the top tax rates go up. If its only that much then why all the whining and crying like kids in Toys R Us who didnt get their way?
Oh, I have mostly voted Republican until this year, But now when I go in its to “Boot a Kook and Vote Democratic”.
td
December 28th, 2012
9:27 pm
Obama is going to cave and cut COLA’s for seniors but he made sure his elected friends got a raise by an executive order.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-orders-raise-biden-members-congress-federal-workers_692223.html
Shine
December 28th, 2012
9:27 pm
Voter
December 28th, 2012
9:23 pm
@td – well said about taxes. They just don’t get it. Spending has got to stop.
Speaking of not getting it,one of you kooks’ hero Tom Price was just not long ago talking about how great it was a 700 billion plus military budget was passed with his vote.
Funding race cars for NADCAR etc…….paying Brazillion cotton growers subsidies. etc etc etc.all these were too good to get cut by the we serious about cutting republican blowhards.
Shine
December 28th, 2012
9:28 pm
td
December 28th, 2012
9:27 pm
Obama is going to cave and cut COLA’s for seniors but he made sure his elected friends got a raise by an executive order.
Good for him. Its what a Republican would have done.
td
December 28th, 2012
9:29 pm
Bob Loblaw
December 28th, 2012
9:23 pm
It is time for Obama to learn the lesson that Regan and Clinton learned. If you are the President of one party and the other party is in control of the house then the house gets 90% of what they want and you get 10% of what you want.
td
December 28th, 2012
9:34 pm
Shine
December 28th, 2012
9:27 pm
“Speaking of not getting it,one of you kooks’ hero Tom Price was just not long ago talking about how great it was a 700 billion plus military budget was passed with his vote.”
Our spending was $3 trillion last year and $700 billion was on the military. The military is one of the very few things the Federal government is suppose to be raising taxes and spending money on. Total Revenues coming into the government was $2 trillion so the military budget is covers. All other programs need to cut out the missing $1 trillion.
catlady
December 28th, 2012
9:34 pm
“Spending has just got to stop” but not on the programs used by ME or MINE.
Voter
December 28th, 2012
9:37 pm
@td – Well said again. @Shine just doesn’t see it. It’s like talking to a Democrat who voted hussein into office and trying to make sense of it.
Voter
December 28th, 2012
9:38 pm
@catlady – What programs used by ME or MINE do you refer to?
catlady
December 28th, 2012
9:38 pm
To save Social Security STOP GIVING PAYMENTS TO THOSE WHO HAVE NOT WORKED FOR THEM! In this day and time, there is virtually NO REASON that a spouse should not draw on THEIR OWN record. STOP giving payments to children. Give payments only to the person who did the work, who earned the payment from their own paycheck deductions.
Get Real
December 28th, 2012
9:43 pm
Shine, I believe you have missed your meds as you are scribing delusional posts…please seek immediate medical attention..
Obama, president of the uninformed and low information voter
Voter
December 28th, 2012
9:45 pm
@catlady – your Social Security idea sounds good, I think, not sure but I think when they give money to the children it’s the children of parents who paid in and have died. Anyway, the cuts I mean are for like entitlements, welfare, food stamps for LIFE. That needs to stop. Also, they could cut salaries by 5%, cut wasteful agencies like GSA, stop unnecessary travel, stop giving hundreds of millions to countries that hate us. Etc.
Shine
December 28th, 2012
9:46 pm
Yes ole Shine just dont get it. We need 700 billion for “defense” when that’s more than about the next 10 countries combined.
Ole Shine is a real fiscal conservative. Not one of the kook phonies.
Voter
December 28th, 2012
9:48 pm
@Shine – You don’t get it. Our military is essential. Let me guess, you never served or no one in your family, right? Your family are the ones who said to the British, ” Come on over “
Shine
December 28th, 2012
9:49 pm
Get Real, lay off the kook koolaid and and nut party worship and come back to reality.
Yall lost the election. It was an arse whooping. Quit whining.
Voter
December 28th, 2012
9:50 pm
@Shine – King George was a relative. right? The NAZI party were real friendly? How about Stalin and Ho Chi Minh? Saddam Hussein? All just misunderstood men of history in your book.
Shine
December 28th, 2012
9:52 pm
Voter, my family has served in every war here since the American Revolution to the latest police action. Only a kook says 700 billion is essential when China is only around 100 billion or so and our allies make up much of the top ten.
Saing 700 billion is essential is about a 9.8 on the kookatron.
Voter
December 28th, 2012
9:54 pm
@Shine – sure they did. Dragged in or drafted? Of course, China’s is only 100 billion, do you see what they pay their men and women? Dollars a week compared to our men and women.
catlady
December 28th, 2012
9:55 pm
Voter: I was trying to premptively mimic those on here who loudly call for cuts, but self-righteously exempt their own “earned” benefits.
Shine
December 28th, 2012
9:56 pm
The French saved us from King George or we’d still be speaking “English”.
Roosevelt raised taxes to defeat the Nazis.
Eisenhower raised taxes to fight teh commies.
Reagan and the Bushs’ charged the Cold War, Desert Strom, and The Iraq War.
When you kooks gonna realize that has to be paid for?
td
December 28th, 2012
9:56 pm
Shine
December 28th, 2012
9:49 pm
Get Real, lay off the kook koolaid and and nut party worship and come back to reality.
Yall lost the election. It was an arse whooping. Quit whining.
You are the one that does not get it. Just because the Dems won the Presidency does not mean Obama gets to dictate to a House that the voters gave control to the Republicans.
Voter
December 28th, 2012
9:56 pm
@catlady – lol, I hear ya.
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:01 pm
Who’s dictating? The taxes go up for everybody in 4 days. That’s what the House proposed to happen and the House is repsonsible for everybody’s taxes going up.
the Bush tax cuts were just like the payroll tax cuts anyway. they were supposed to be temporary when passed. republicans dont keep their agreements.
Voter
December 28th, 2012
10:01 pm
@Shine – “The French saved us from King George or we’d still be speaking “English”.
Roosevelt raised taxes to defeat the Nazis.
Eisenhower raised taxes to fight teh commies.
Reagan and the Bushs’ charged the Cold War, Desert Strom, and The Iraq War.”
Really? I thought the French helped us, I kind of remember in the history books those colonists putting down their pitch forks and picking up arms against the British. Wait a second, the NAZI’s, Korean’s and others. Was that because of the military? Hmmmm?
td
December 28th, 2012
10:03 pm
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:01 pm
Who’s dictating? The taxes go up for everybody in 4 days. That’s what the House proposed to happen and the House is repsonsible for everybody’s taxes going up.
Then what are you gripping about. You are on SS so it will not effect you.
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:03 pm
Who’s dictating? The House voted and passed letting the tax cuts expire next year. the Bush tax cuts were supposed to be like the payroll tax cuts anyway….temporary. Republicans dont honor their agreements or paleface speak with forked tongue if you prefer.
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:05 pm
It wont effect me? Amazing how kooks know all of one’s finances. What day will I file oh great wizard?
catlady
December 28th, 2012
10:06 pm
Voter: I was talking about kids who lose a parent, yes. Why would that child deserve years of payments and yet kids of parents who are divorced or who have a parent who disappeared–shouldn’t THEY get payments, too? And the kids at school who are handicapped. Why do they bring in $600 or more per month just because they are disabled? Do other 3, 4, 5, 6 year olds who are not handicapped bring in that kind of money each month? With some families it truly is a racket.
Let’s take away the entitlement of the mortgage deduction. That is welfare. Let’s take the drug and alcohol addicted’s monthly “disability” payments. It is nuts to reward that behavior.
I could go on and on, but I have probably angered enough people by my suggestions above. Everyone thinks THEY DESERVE it. Meanwhile, back in the real world…
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:09 pm
Hmmmmm…I kinda remember the French cannon fire off the coast in History books. Maybe I imagined it all.
Yes,,,,hmmmmm… the military…not 700 billion worth and taxes raised tpo pay for said military and unfunded warring.
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:10 pm
Lets sales tax stock and bond and commodity purhcases (trades? bwah ha ha) and balance the budget in no time at all.
td
December 28th, 2012
10:15 pm
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:09 pm
Defense spending as a % of GDP has decreased steadily since 1947. We are paying less of our national treasure today then we did when you were a child.
Get Real
December 28th, 2012
10:18 pm
Shine….I fully acknowledge Obama won the election. It was a true and sad wake up call for what this country has become for the reasons I cited. Does the amount of debt the US faces bother you in the slightest? Raising taxes on the top 2% does nothing to reduce the debt. Simpson-Bowles recommended 3 to 1 spending cuts to tax increases. Obama can’t even get it to 1 to 1 and that is over 10 years, this country has a spending problem and unfortunately the large majority of government freebie recipients could care less….
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:21 pm
Nobody but kooks and loons uses that compared to GDP horsecrap. If rich people did that they would spend just for the hell of it (or so they party members can get them goody bloated contracts) like the US does on the military budget.
Cherokee
December 28th, 2012
10:23 pm
Go get ‘em shine. Soon they will be talking about how much holier they are than the rest of us too.
I wonder why cons never specify which cuts they want to make, and how that should be sold to the American public. Or why austerity – being implemented to such disastrous results in Europe – would for some reason work better in America?
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:27 pm
Cherokee, i am sure my kids deserve the same Social Security and Medicare Rep Paul Ryan’s mommy gets. Why does he want to give my kids and my WIFE less than his mommy gets?
Boot some kooks!! Vote DEMOCRATIC!!
Get Real
December 28th, 2012
10:28 pm
Shine….there are no words, bless your little heart
td
December 28th, 2012
10:29 pm
Cherokee
December 28th, 2012
10:23 pm
Go get ‘em shine. Soon they will be talking about how much holier they are than the rest of us too.
I wonder why cons never specify which cuts they want to make, and how that should be sold to the American public.
1: Cut TANF in half
2: Make Food stamps and lifetime limit program
3: Cut Medicaid in half
4: Privatize Medicare
5: Bring back 50% of overseas military bases unless country we are in wants to pay for them.
6: Do away with Federal DOE
7: Curt the arts, PBS and planned parenthood.
8: Cut farm subsidies for ethanol.
9: Open all public lands for drilling and raise the royalty fees.
td
December 28th, 2012
10:30 pm
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:27 pm
Cherokee, i am sure my kids deserve the same Social Security and Medicare Rep Paul Ryan’s mommy gets.
How are you going to pay for it?
td
December 28th, 2012
10:33 pm
Shine,
Let me give you one more fact to consider. You can tax the top 25% of wage earners (Those making more then $133,000 per year) 100% and still will not balance the current budget much less pay down any of the $17 trillion in debt.
Voter
December 28th, 2012
10:35 pm
@td – Good plan. I would also include a 5% pay cut to all Government employees. 10% pay cut for Congressman and Executive Branch. Maybe instead of the Budget Control Act of 2011 with auto-cuts, we could say if the President doesn’t get a Budget as the Constitution mandates we cut their salary and perks 10% each year including their pensions and that they automatically qualify for ObamaCare instead of their golden benefit package.
Get Real
December 28th, 2012
10:36 pm
td….don’t you know, money grows on the magical trees in Obamaland where unicorns roam free and everything is free. Best of all, no one has to work as the fairy king takes care of all your wants and needs…..
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:37 pm
How are you going to pay for it?
Who’s paying for hers? Old white geezers on many of these message boards are a piece of work. Many are retired from the state or other government yet bellyache about others having government jobs and getting pensions. They are ok with themselves getting a pension but tyghe next generation of government worker or union worker doesnt deserve one in theior nutty minds.They bellyache about spending but are happy not to have their ss and medicare cut cause they over 55.
Old kooks make me sick. Maybe folks over 65, especially white folks like me, shouldnt be allowed to vote. They are a danger to the country and society.
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:40 pm
In kook fantasy land, money comes from the heavens in the form of wealth clouds and rains down upon the masses providing prosperity and the american dream for all.
Been there, done that, got the THAT CRAP DOESNT WORK shirt.
Voter
December 28th, 2012
10:42 pm
@Shine – “Old kooks make me sick.”
Talk about respect for your elders. The greatest generation is almost gone. They left us a great nation but this next generation will slowly destroy what our fathers and grandfathers fought and died for.
td
December 28th, 2012
10:45 pm
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:37 pm
Just as I thought. You are not serious and your conversation here, refusal to even make one suggestion and admitting that you voted for Obama means you are an uniformed voter that just wants what the government can give you.
Get Real
December 28th, 2012
10:46 pm
Shine….you sound like a very bitter individual; did someone keep you down all your life. Others succeeded where you failed? Grow up and get a pair!!
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:47 pm
I respect my elders. Just calling a spade a spade. The GOP uses the elderly. That is what is disrepectful. Many older white women hunker down listening to that idiot Pat Roberson and that unconvicted felon Ralph Reed and similiar bunches and think they voting for God by supporting the nut party.
Gag……………..
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:48 pm
I see. I call it as I see it while yall whine and moan about Obama winning and yall losing yet I am the bitter one.
LMAO!!
Voter
December 28th, 2012
10:49 pm
@Shine – “Gag…………”
Hang on, someone might show up and do the Heimlich maneuver for you.
Any takers? Anyone?
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:51 pm
Sorry TD, I dont know it all or claim to (like you act like) but I am much more informed than your average voter.
I voted for Obama……proudly I might add considering the nut jobs of the GOP.
td
December 28th, 2012
10:53 pm
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:48 pm
I see. I call it as I see it while yall whine and moan about Obama winning and yall losing yet I am the bitter one.
LMAO!!
Call it like you see it. You must have some horrible vision problems my friend because all I have seen you call is “Republican bad”, “Democrat good”, Obama a living god” and “defense spending bad”. Anymore words of wisdom?
Voter
December 28th, 2012
10:53 pm
@Shine – Remember that when your taxes keep getting higher. Remember that when ObamaCare taxes affect your paycheck. Remember that when your civil liberties are taken away.
Oh wait, that sounds like what they put in the Declaration of Independence about King George.
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:54 pm
Nighty night republican kooks. Yall can have the last word. I know yall busy planning to finish ruining the country and crashing the market again and getting the country another credit downgrade with your kook House majority.
td
December 28th, 2012
10:56 pm
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:51 pm
Sorry TD, I dont know it all or claim to (like you act like) but I am much more informed than your average voter.
I actually believe that you are smarter then the average Obama voter and that my friend is a sad commentary. If you do not realize that we have a huge spending problem that can not be solved by raising taxes to a 100% level on the top 25% of wage earners then we will never be able to actual solve our problems. Your wife, myself, your children and my children will not live as well as you and your generation have lived.
Voter
December 28th, 2012
10:57 pm
@Shine – We’ll pray for you. Go take your meds and sleep tight.
Shine
December 28th, 2012
10:57 pm
One last word then voter…its ok if my taxes go up considering they lower now compared to my GDP…..:-)
Civil liberties taken away? Is that like outlawing abortion, Homeland Security, voter ID, ETC ETC ETC?
Voter
December 28th, 2012
11:03 pm
@Shine – Meds, quick, water, swallow.
Get Real
December 28th, 2012
11:05 pm
Perhaps some quick electro shock therapy
Voter
December 28th, 2012
11:07 pm
@Shine – Here’s what you do, rub your shoes across the carpet 10x quickly, then touch your forehead. Repeat as necessary.
tell the truth
December 28th, 2012
11:11 pm
td You stupid idiot- no one thinks that the increased taxes on the VERY WEALTHIEST will solve all the problems. It will require spending cuts AND increased revenues-anyone who says otherwise does not know anything about economics and accounting!!!! But EVERYONE knows that these wealthy have not been paying what they should have over the past 10 years- it is a fairness issue!!!!! Deal with that!!!!
td
December 28th, 2012
11:17 pm
tell the truth
December 28th, 2012
11:11 pm
“But EVERYONE knows that these wealthy have not been paying what they should have over the past 10 years- it is a fairness issue!!!!!”
Enlighten us and tell us all how much the wealthy make as part of overall income and how much they pay in taxes? If you can not tell us then you just prove to be another uninformed Obama voter.
Get Real
December 28th, 2012
11:19 pm
What’s fair? Has anyone broken the law? Probably yes but capital gains tax and income tax are very different. If you want the tax code to be “more fair” (whatever that means) then streamline the tax code which is currently a voluminous monster
Voter
December 28th, 2012
11:24 pm
Ok, one more time:
“Friend, you cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. And what one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government can’t give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody. And when half of the people get the idea they don’t have to work because the other half’s going to take care of them, and when the other half get the idea it does no good to work because somebody’s going to get what I work for. That, dear friend, is about the end of any nation.”
Dr. Adrian Rogers
luangtom
December 28th, 2012
11:30 pm
This scripted drama that we are seeing is repulsive. An eleventh-hour passage of a bill in the US Senate is nothing less than criminal. This whole scenario needn’t be happening. A bill dealing with Finance and Budget is supposed to be required to be first passed in the US House. Two already have, by the way, and Harry Reid, chair of the US Senate, sat on them and did not get them to the floor for a vote. Now, this melodramatic and heroic charade is going to script he and President Obama as the heroes in getting an eleventh-hour bill passed to save the country from falling over a fiscal cliff. Wake-up, AmeriKa!!
Let us hope that 2013 can serve as a spring-board to set both House and Senate on a more stable course. We sure got the leader that we needed, didn’t we?
ODD OWL
December 29th, 2012
12:54 am
The Government don’t have a spending problem… The Republicans have a debt problem… A wopping $16 trillion dollars debt problem… The Republicans really need to start paying down their debt… The interest on the Republicans massive $16 trillion dollars debt is $500 billion dollars a year… Not one dime of the Republican debt went to social security, medicare, medicaid or any other social program… President Obama is not going to cut one dime from our entitlement social programs… The Government can cut the military budget, farm subsidies, oil subsidies and other business subsidies… All social programs are off the debt/deficit negotiating table… The Republicans intentionally ran up the $16 trillion debt for the sole purpose of using it to justify cutting our entitlement social programs… Its not going to happen… share the wealth, tax the rich, pay down the debt…
ODD OWL
December 29th, 2012
1:09 am
The President is holding Johnny “one note” Boehner (cut spending) and Mean Mitch McConnell by the short hairs and he’s dangling them over the fiscal cliff… Once the Republicans cave on tax increases on the rich and elite, the anti-tax zealot Grover Norquist will become a footnote in the trash bin of history… Forward…
Buckhead Boy
December 29th, 2012
4:58 am
When the first Republican can explain to me how their prohibition against the government negotiating drug prices for Medicare is cost-efficient, I’ll listen to their arguments on entitlements. When the first Republican can explain to me how keeping the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars off the books for years constituted responsible budgeting, I’ll listen to their arguments on deficit spending. When the first Republican can explain to me how the Bush Tax Cuts didn’t explode the national debt, I’ll listen to their arguments on the national debt. When the first Republican can explain to me how their savaging Glass-Steagall and other financial regulation wasn’t causative to the Great Recession, and the libor and other pillaging of the economy, I’ll listen to their arguments on financial regulation. But instead, all I hear from them is sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Get Real
December 29th, 2012
5:32 am
Odd and Boy…..did y’all just get home from a late night bender….your comments appear to be the product of grossly impaired brains…
Weetamoe
December 29th, 2012
7:15 am
Obama has done nothing but travel around the country campaigning and giving speeches designed to incite hatred against conservatives. Any *leadership* this guy displays is negative and harmful. He is lazy and shiftless and should be fired as any incompetent employee would be.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
December 29th, 2012
7:39 am
Shine: who is to pay for Bush’s unfunded Medicare Part D? Oh that too is Obama’s fault. I can do this all day.
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You know that Obozo made Part D even more expensive, right? You know that Obozo could have terminated “unfunded” Part D, right? Why didn’t he? And it’s being funded in the same way as Obozo’s failed “stimulus”…by borrowing from China.
What is it you can “do all day”? Remain ignorant?
liberalefty
December 29th, 2012
8:04 am
weetonmee
ramblings from a racist birther…lol..envy is ugly
liberalefty
December 29th, 2012
8:05 am
lilfairyfallout boy
is at it again…lol…
Politico
December 29th, 2012
8:33 am
Little Barry is playing an early morning gig
His band the “wailers and flailers” are a big hit over at Wingfield’s.
woody
December 29th, 2012
8:43 am
It’s all just a mishmash of cartoon characters, doing the Roadrunner/Wil-E-Coyote thing. One of them falls off a cliff, gets smashed by a big rock, then gets up and starts all over again. It is theater, and an allegory for life.
A hard lesson is learned when we elect creepos to Congress. Because, they actually end up in Congress. Where they are expected to function on some level.
An observer
December 29th, 2012
8:55 am
Where is the movement? I do not see it. Is the new plan that democrats are going to offer even more deficit spending and the country is supposed to accept this? What i see is even more spending for the benefit of doctors, farmers, and unemployed; and more tax cuts for the wealthy in the form of reductions to the alternative minimum tax, the estate tax, and increases in the threshold for increasing taxes to the wealthy. Is the country going to be pleased when the president announces that the fiscal cliff as been avoided by keeping the deficit over one trillion per year, and growing for these next four years under Obama. The rating agencies need to go ahead and reduce US debt to junk status right now.
clem
December 29th, 2012
8:56 am
let’s see: we have had repubs in control of house from 1995 to 2008 & 2011 til now; repubs in control of senate from 1995 to 2007 with blip when jeffords changed parties; and had control of prez from neutered clinton 1996 until 2009. and the ship hit the fan 2008. even the more ons on the right will have hard time explaining why they should be in charge. without big money they would be long gone. it might also be noted the filibuster has been used 400 from 112th congress on.
the dems are not always right either, but given recent history & the goons infiltrating the gop now, a slightly right center america (because they are older) will soon be slightly left center on social issues and maybe right center on fiscal. not far right. deal with it td, asshop & barry.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
December 29th, 2012
8:57 am
It would be so much fun watching the Obozo voters (the ones with paying jobs, that is) whining about their taxes increasing when Our President Bush’s tax cuts expire. The puppets have been hearing from their masters for ten years that the tax cuts were “only for the rich”. These low-information folks would no doubt be easily convinced that the evil Republicans had raised their taxes.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
December 29th, 2012
9:00 am
An observer: Is the country going to be pleased when [Obozo] announces that the fiscal cliff as been avoided by keeping the deficit over one trillion per year, and growing for these next four years under [Obozo].
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Yes.
The parasites only care that Santa keeps bringing their gifts every month, the country be damned.
Politico
December 29th, 2012
9:04 am
Little Brain (barry) is on his step stool and singing away this morning..
Must have a new garanimals shirt and bib…..
Maybe his partner’s Criberius and the Crying Conservative will make an appearance as well
red herring
December 29th, 2012
9:07 am
just like obama’s pastor wright said–america’s chickens are coming home to roost. we continue to overspend our means and regardless of what pundits and politicians say that will be our downfall unless we deal with the spending issue. we need america to remain the land of the free and not become greece/spain/etc. socialism doesn’t work and hasn’t worked but we have immense forces touting it in our colleges, entertainment industry, and our media. we must downsize our federal government and it’s agencies and reduce spending. no real person/business/industry gets an automatic spending increase every year regardless of how well or poorly they did the previous year and neither should our federal government. we are taxed enough already.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
December 29th, 2012
9:10 am
The real fiscal cliff occurs when we’re unable to fix Obozo’s trillion-dollar deficit habit and foreigners stop loaning us money.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
December 29th, 2012
9:13 am
…and we won’t be fixing Obozo’s trillion-dollar deficit habit because the Moocher Majority will never allow it.
clem
December 29th, 2012
9:16 am
barry i can agree with that but bear in mind ryan’s budget had red ink for quite a number of years too. the prez should not have lifted the cola for fed folks until economy growing at 4% or better.
liberalefty
December 29th, 2012
9:18 am
lilfairyfalloutboy
what about the moochers who voted for ROMNEY…like you…lol…stop whining you sound like a petulant child
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
December 29th, 2012
9:29 am
The Republicans have a debt problem… A wopping $16 trillion dollars debt problem… The Republicans really need to start paying down their debt…
Wow, I guess you can smoke enough weed to make the democrats become fiscal conservatives.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
December 29th, 2012
9:35 am
President Francois Hollande’s 75 percent millionaire-tax is unconstitutional because it doesn’t guarantee equality for taxpayers, France’s top court ruled.
Ehehehehehehehehe, will you socialists be following the lead of the Mother Country?
I know, how could we ever achieve tax equality in the US when none of the libs pays taxes?
clanmack
December 29th, 2012
9:37 am
No one on this blog seems to factor in that without the stimuli that Bush started and O’Bama, continued there would be no recession, it would be a DEPRESSION that would make this recession look like a bump in the economic road. The Republicans have clogged the process with their extreme positions and unwillingness to compromise. All would agree that the debt, and deficit spending, needs to come down. All the posturing, in Washington, and on this blog is a bunch of whooie. No one seems to be willing to think this through, just have a chance to trumpet their opinions and to engage in name calling. None of it moves anything forward.
Ideas: Increase the income limit for Social Security and include capital gains-problem solved.
Restore the income tax on incomes that Bush gave away on incomes over $400,000. Increase the capital gains tax rates to 25%. Consider a cap on deductions.
Let Grover Norquist stand for election and see if he can then promote his “no new taxes” legislatively. Add in the permanent adjustments to the Alternate Minimum Tax once and for all-that has turned into a boondoggle for the government. Keep the Health Care Act and let it work. Change Medicare part D so the government can negotiate for drug rates like every other big drug buyer-make it free market and see how big Pharma adjusts. Anyone else have workable ideas that we can compromise on?
Georgia
December 29th, 2012
9:52 am
Merry MilkCliffmas! Happy NogCliffyear! Thank God Himself that nobody tried to work “frankenCliffmas” into the lexicon. MilkCliff. The wordsmiths are out of control. Where is the supervision? Of course there’ll be a deal that will disappoint everyone. Except Wallstreet, who is the real shepherd here. If the Too Big to Fails managed to control congress in 2008 when the entire congress voted against something hours before they voted for it, (the bailout hello), then we have to assume that those same specific Powers That Be are disciplining congress now. There will be a deal. They’ll announce it during one of the timeouts that Coach Mark will burn in the UGA bowl game.
Attack Dog
December 29th, 2012
9:58 am
Gerrymander all you want Dixiecans, folks know that you are fighting for tax cuts for those who derive the most of their income from “playing” for a living.
Attack Dog
December 29th, 2012
10:00 am
Sidebar: the wannabe Dixiecan who doesn’t have a pot to cook with that Obama mannequin lives in a Kentucky county where Lincoln’s grandfather once lived and whose citizens fought for the Union.
Attack Dog
December 29th, 2012
10:05 am
John Boehner and Mitch McConnell have dug a hole so deep that they have turned into a self-induced fiscal canyon and now want us to jump off the cliff to join them.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
December 29th, 2012
10:08 am
clem: ryan’s budget had red ink for quite a number of years too
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Are you proposing that we balance the budget all in one or two years? Ryan’s plan is far superior to Obozo’s. Obozo’s “plan” is liberal fascism…growing government and spending as much as possible.
Attack Dog
December 29th, 2012
10:09 am
Questions for a Dixiecan. What was the federal debt in 2008? How much of the annual deficit is based on lower revenues because of tax cuts, fighting two wars, the establishment of TSA? Liberals will argue that fiscal conservative Dixiecans have been a myth this entire century.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
December 29th, 2012
10:09 am
Attack Dog: John Boehner and Mitch McConnell have dug a hole so deep
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The Democrat Senate and Obozo both signed off on this fiscal cliff deal in 2011.
Just another effort on my part to help educate the low-information voters.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
December 29th, 2012
10:11 am
How much of the annual deficit is based on lower revenues because of tax cuts, fighting two wars, the establishment of TSA?
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Who’s been president the last four years and had a filibuster-proof majority? Did you elect Obozo to simply continue Our President Bush’s policies?
Just another effort on my part to help educate the low-information voters.
Attack Dog
December 29th, 2012
10:12 am
Which Ryan budget? The one with no numbers made more sense.
clem
December 29th, 2012
10:20 am
barry you have already proven by your prez prognostications you don’t know much…..you need to brush up on filibuster stuff and read this chart and tell me which party has had more control since 1996? especially before the 2008 crash.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_of_United_States_Congresses
can’t wait for your excuses, well, yes i can.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
December 29th, 2012
10:22 am
NEW ALBANY, Indiana (CNN) — President Bush vetoed a $600 billion spending bill Tuesday, accusing Democratic leaders of wasting money and plotting tax increases, then took his budget fight with Congress on the road.
Congress should cut spending “and send me a responsible measure that I can sign into law,” President Bush said.
“The majority was elected on a pledge of fiscal responsibility, but so far, it’s acting like a teenager with a new credit card,” he said in a speech in New Albany, Indiana.
Retired Soldier
December 29th, 2012
10:30 am
Attack Dog-
All those things were in place for years under Bush and while his deficits were bad, at worst they were half of Obama’s.
Let’s take a bit of a deeper look:
1. Obama was in favor of and extended the Obama tax cuts in 2010.
2. Fighting two wars? Obama followed the Bush withdrawal plan in Iraq and has expanded the war in Afghanistan, who is at fault?
3. TSA, Obama hasn’t changed a thing.
Facts really don’t help your view point do they?
liberalefty
December 29th, 2012
10:32 am
@aesoup
Who paid for the war in Iraq that America fought because of lies by the inept Bush administration? the tax payers thats who…
Attack Dog
December 29th, 2012
10:34 am
Filibuster-proof majority? ROTFLMAO 1. Who kicked the budget can down the road when Obama was elected? 2. Who failed to make Obama one term President? 3. Whose leadership used every trick to obstruct even simple legislation, and has made history as the worse Congress ever? 4. Who failed to pass an act to cover the bills (see 10:09) they created in time to keep the US credit rating from dropping, and now 5 Who is.blaming everything and everyone except themselves for losing the 2012 election.
Retired Soldier
December 29th, 2012
10:36 am
liberallefty-
You mean the war that most democrats in Congress voted for and the war that Obama could have stopped when he entered office but chose to follow the Bush withdrawal plan? Yes I am familar with that war.
Don’t forget the war Obama expanded and continues in Afghanistan, you know the war Obama is putting on a credit card.
Real Athens
December 29th, 2012
10:38 am
Spin it all you want, it won’t make the facts any different.
“Some lawmakers, pundits, and others continue to say that President George W. Bush’s policies did not drive the projected federal deficits of the coming decade — that, instead, it was the policies of President Obama and Congress in 2009 and 2010. But, the fact remains: the economic downturn, President Bush’s tax cuts and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq explain most of the deficit over the next ten years …”
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3849
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
December 29th, 2012
10:40 am
lib – Are you talking about the wars that both houses of Congress authorized?
And what lies are you talking about? Can you not hear obozo telling you he found the WMD in Syria, right where we told you it was?
Retired Soldier
December 29th, 2012
10:40 am
Attack Dod-
1. Both parties
2. Republicans, and we have only ourselves and the national media to blame.
3. Please review Congress of 2006-2010. Congress has been terrible, both parties.
4. Who hasn’t passed a budget in over three years? Whose budget was defeated in the Senate 99-0, Obama’s.
5. See answer two.
Retired Soldier
December 29th, 2012
10:43 am
Real-
Remember Obama extended the tax cuts expanded one war and took over two years to end the other. Nice try.
clem
December 29th, 2012
10:43 am
please athens, don’t confuse the tpers with facts
Dusty
December 29th, 2012
10:45 am
Hey, stop the cute talk (MIlkCliff, Dixiecan, etc) and speak in plain language. We need to get this straight.
There is a huge deficit. We need to cut spending to save money. Here are some GOALS.
Social Security ;was paid for by its recipients. It’s many ” addons” need study. Medicare, prescription drugs, colas and all such should be revised or eliminated.
We must defend our country. Only excesses in spending should be changed. Check it!
Raising taxes has brought about many revolutions. Rich people mostly worked or managed on their own to make money. Overtaxing them is not fair. Our constitution tells us that all citizens are equal in their rights. The rich are CITIZENS.
Inheritance is not the government’s money. Taxes have already been paid on it.
No country can support 50% non working, government dependent citizens. We must reduce the numbers in that catagory.
Governent must stop trying to manage business, farmers, milk, weather, energy and even education and health. If we are to remain a free country, we must promote independence in all parts of our government. It is not Santa Claus. It is not .Scrooge. It should be the minds of citizens working TOGETHER to maintain the greatness of our country. Freedom! We should demand it.
liberalefty
December 29th, 2012
10:45 am
@retired
yeah the war that the BUSH administration cooked up and lied about…THAT WAR…
Attack Dog
December 29th, 2012
10:46 am
Yep Obama signed off on the legislation to compromise to extend the middle class tax cuts and spending to spur the economy. Boehner, Boehner and the Dixiecans used their rhetoric to get the legislative language shovels for federal spending holes they help create that has lead to the fiscal canyon they have dug. Want proof of sorry GOP leadership? I don’t remember Pelosi not getting a bill out of conference or Reed filibustering his own bill.
liberalefty
December 29th, 2012
10:47 am
@asesop
yes the war that AMERICA FOUGHT BECAUSE BUSH looked like a fool on 9/11…never seen a prez look so weak and befuddled in all my life.
Real Athens
December 29th, 2012
10:48 am
“Facts really don’t help your view point do they?”
The simple facts are:
House proposes legislation and votes to send it to the Senate. The Senate ratifies, re-writes, removes and then sends it to the Executive branch for passage in to law or vetoes it and send it back to Congress.
Don’t pretend like the Executive branch is the be all, end all. Obama couldn’t repeal the Act that created the TSA by himself. There is no line item veto. The President followed the advice of his own military leaders.
He didn’t get us into this mess.
yuzeyurbrane
December 29th, 2012
10:57 am
td, so pleased to hear that you are against linked COLA for Social Security. That is something on which we can agree. The real problem is that CPI standard for COLA’s understates real inflation experienced by Seniors since it is based on prices for whole population. For example, its does not include health care price increases which are disproportionately a much bigger factor for Seniors. So we should have a Seniors only package of goods and services used to calculate Soc.Sec. COLA’s. Check with your DFACS social worker wife to see if she concurs with my analysis of the facts.
clem
December 29th, 2012
10:59 am
dusty, if businesses were ethical maybe, but most are corrupted at the top by the money:
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/how-corporate-interests-killed-common-sense
while dems are perceived corrupt by giving way the cookie store to the less productive, the repubs give away the store to the corrupt at the top…..which party is for middle america?
Lil' Barry Bailout --OBAMAPHONE!!!
December 29th, 2012
11:03 am
Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority during the first half of Obozo’s first term. They could have “funded” Part D or repealed it. Instead, they made it more expensive. If you have a problem with Part D, take it up with your puppetmasters, puppets.
Lil' Barry Bailout --OBAMAPHONE!!!
December 29th, 2012
11:05 am
yuzey: For example, its does not include health care price increases which are disproportionately a much bigger factor for Seniors
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But Obozocare will reduce health care costs, right? So the COLA should be lower for seniors.
Rafe Hollister
December 29th, 2012
11:10 am
Hairy Reed and the Senate has been MIA for 4 years, now we expect them to come to life and save America. The Pretender in Chief will go to any length to keep from having to come up with something on his own, to present to the Congress and the Nation. He has never been one to want to get tied to his own positions or policies, might need to run a reverse at the last minute. Bad PR to go on record advocating something, you later threaten to veto.
This is the result of electing someone with no leadership skills and no experience in management or executive decisions. You wind up with someone making it up as they go along. He is constantly confronted with do I stick with my life long re-distributive ideology,which will probably wreck the economy and result in my legacy being tarnished, or do I do what is best for the economy and miss this chance to implement my ideology. He always chooses to just procrastinate on making any significant decision.
Kick it down the road again, Barry!!!
td
December 29th, 2012
11:10 am
I wonder if the AJC’s censors are the same as the Facebook censors. God I hate censorship as much as I hate gun control nuts.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” – Thomas Jefferson.
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/038484_Gandhi_quote_Facebook_censorship.html#ixzz2GSQduyWL
Let it come up for a vote
December 29th, 2012
11:16 am
Why won’t the Republicans allow a vote for a sensible deal? It would pass and all their rhetoric would go poof. Boehner is the worst Speaker in memory, what has he accomplished other than to cry?
Retired Soldier
December 29th, 2012
11:18 am
Real-
Again you have the facts wrong. The only legislation the must orginiate in the House is fiscal. The Senate can “propose” any othe legislation they want and send it to the House.
You also overlook the Dems had control of Congress for the first two years, why didn’t they eliminate the TSA then? Because the only thing that mattered was Obamacare.
The other points are ignored by you, well done. You have proven my point.
Retired Soldier
December 29th, 2012
11:19 am
Let-
The House did pass a bill and sent it to the Senate. Reid won’t allow a vote on it.
yuzeyurbrane
December 29th, 2012
11:21 am
L’il Barry–Seniors don’t get full Soc.Sec. until they are 66 now, 67 in a few years. So COLA we are talking about effects people on Medicare, not Obamacare. But even Medicare does not pay all health costs so non-covered health expenses continue to be a disproportionately larger part of Seniors cost of living. I don’t really know whether or not Obamacare will have ancillary effect of reducing some out-of-pocket health costs for Seniors. But if it does lower them then good. My argument would remain the same—a special COLA reflecting real costs for Seniors would be better than present general CPI or proposed “chained” COLA. And let the chips fall where they may regarding rising or decreasing out-of-pocket health care costs.
Georgia
December 29th, 2012
11:24 am
The bailout money to banks went to buy stocks like Ford after GM stocks went bust. Ford sold for a dollar. The banks probably multiplied the bailout money prodigiously. But the country was denied the bailout money in the form of tougher risk criteria. No risk criteria for the banks themselves was ever redefined, only for the customers, you and me. If the money is worthless, zero percent interest rates, then the banks are going to have to invent new growth derivatives. It’s the idea that becomes an insurable asset, and thus, like Einstein’s ideas, nobody else can possibly understand the new construct. So even now. After four solid years, the banks are creating the same fantastic wealth bubbles that popped in 2008. With even less oversight. So we’re forced to spend our way out of this in order to grow our way out of this. Just like when it’s cruel to be kind in the right measure. It means that I love you baybeeee. gotta be cruel to be kind.
we’re forked.
Dusty
December 29th, 2012
11:25 am
Clem 10:59
I believe you have conceived an overall idea based on a few examples. Of all the big businesses in the USA , few have been found to be crooked. Have AT&T, Merrill Lynch, Wells Fargo, Kroger, and thousands of others been found with dishonest & criminal indictments? NO. Even Halliburton, one of the few companies in the world who can deliver on any continent, have had many accusations but little of nothing from political accusations. OUr country cannot run without big business.
We love mon & pop stores and hope for more. But they are neither the main support or the financial raisers of our country. They do their part and give ideas but a big country ;must have big business. Can we build our own cars, ocean liners, mammoth bridges and skyscrapers and the list goes on? No way. And big business must have the smartest people to run them. Don’t forget that either.
Ethics come from ethical people, not business itself.
yuzeyurbrane
December 29th, 2012
11:26 am
td @ 11:10—I guess it depends on who you consider who to be the patriots and the tyrants. I don’t think the self-appointed “patriots” of the TeaParty are patriots since they act in a tyrannical way and want to impose a tyrannical government on the majority.
Retired Soldier
December 29th, 2012
11:29 am
yuz-
What is tyannical about smaller government, balanced budgets and lower taxes?
td
December 29th, 2012
11:32 am
A little math prospective to put this mess in terms the uninformed Obama voter can understand:
US national revenue: 2,170,000,000,000
Federal Budget: 3,820,000,000,000
New Debt: 1,650,000,000,000
National debt: 14,271,000,000,000
Recent budget cuts: 35,500,000,000
Now let us remove 8 zeros and pretend it is a household budget:
Annual family income: $21,700
Money family spent: $38,200
New debt on the credit card: $16,500
Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
Total household budget cuts so far: $38.50
clem
December 29th, 2012
11:35 am
dusty, there are many good leaders in business, but unfortunately, i could run a list longer than your arm of bad ones. it is a fine line between controll and promoting fair enterprise. if left unchecked the world would disintegrate with the likes of enron, goldman sachs, ubs, monsanto, etc.
i wish there were a perfect answer but balance like everything in life seems to be the key.
td
December 29th, 2012
11:41 am
Add one more line to the household budget:
New revenue coming in this next year (Obama tax increase): $80.00
Retired Soldier
December 29th, 2012
11:42 am
td-
Well done.
Rafe Hollister
December 29th, 2012
11:42 am
want to impose a tyrannical government on the majority.
So, lower taxes and less spending by our government is tyrannical, yuzey. What color is the sky in your world? I have never heard the Tea Party advocate any other positions. Some of those, who are supported by the Tea party have their own social agenda’s, but that does not make them Tea party agendas. The Tea Party has stuck to one message, lower taxes, less spending.
Paul Ryan proposed a budget that was so moderate it did not balance the budget for 26 years and he was branded an “extremist” and his budget likewise. I would say that those who oppose a balanced budget are “extremist”, preferring their misplaced Utopian ideology over fiscal sanity.
In America these days, anyone who expresses a view point that is not in line with those held by the lapdog MSM is branded an extremist, when any logical person realizes that people fall out all along the political spectrum. The media never speak of left wing extremists, although logic tells us that if people move farther to the right on the spectrum, an equal number move the opposite way.
tell the truth
December 29th, 2012
11:45 am
td hide and watch those new revenues- you can go back to your coloring books now
Voter
December 29th, 2012
11:46 am
Wow- What did I miss? Looks like some more liberals have joined the discussion. Let’s go.
Dusty
December 29th, 2012
11:48 am
LIberalefty,
Your ID is certainly correct. Your last two statements are incorrect.
President Bush, along with almost total approvment from Congress, went to war against a dictator who had already invaded a neighbor country and thought by our intelligence department to have wmds. Those are established facts you ignore.
President Bush was reading a story to a kindergarten class when he received the news of the attack on NYC. He stopped for a moment in thought and quietly left the little children. What did you want him to do? Burst into tears? Make a speech? Scare the children to make a good photo-op?
You have read too much liberal popaganda. Can’t you draw some conclusions from your own reasoning? Such misconceptions were tiresome when they were fresh but they are not any better stale.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
11:50 am
Ahhh liberallefty, no use arguing with him when he is off his meds.
Rafe Hollister
December 29th, 2012
11:51 am
td
Well done, but I think the Libs think that Gov does not have to obey the laws of finance, that somehow they are immune.
The biggest problem with the Obama regime and its re-distribution agenda is that they have spent all this time trying to divide an ever shrinking pie, so that there sycophants get a bigger piece, but as the pie continues to shrink the pieces do as well.
We are not going to improve the fiscal condition of this country until we get growth in the economy. To do that, Barry has to finally admit that the private economy is what stimulates growth and quit hampering and restricting the private sector. I don’t see that happening until the American people demand change and that is going to be after the collapse.
Retired Soldier
December 29th, 2012
11:51 am
Rafe-
Well written and exactly correct. I know a lot of Tea Party folks. They are regular middle class folks very concerned with the direction of our government.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
11:51 am
And I mean liberallefty being off his meds. lol
tell the truth
December 29th, 2012
11:52 am
Lil’ Barry Bailout –OBAMAPHONE!!! So the Dems had 60 in the Senate in the first two years????
Seriously?? You must De-ranged!!! They have not had the filibuster proof majority for 2 years- but please don’t let the truth stop your fairy tales
Retired Soldier
December 29th, 2012
11:56 am
tell-
But they did during some of BO’s first two years, that is the point that escapes you.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
12:01 pm
@tell the truth – Actually, they did have 60 Dem. Senators for awhile, 72 days, but with Specter switching and Franken in a recount and Kennedy sick and then dies, that were some issues ti iron out.
Georgia
December 29th, 2012
12:01 pm
What is the difference between yearly national deficits and accumulated national debt? But back to Django. Charlie Rose got Tarantino to talk about the idea for Django. Tarantino had the idea, but not the story for eight years: a former slave who becomes a bounty hunter. That explains the movie completely. He just patched together very well crafted scenes. The idea itself should have been swatted around instead of being allowed to ferment in Tarantino’s unchallenged imagination. Taratino wrote every word of dialogue, too. The idea had no chance. Thats why it stinks. He should have opened the movie at the auction where Django gets separated from his wife. Then, Django’s foot convoy through the desert should have been ambushed by Apaches who would set the 3 slaves free with a horse. (and slaughter the guards). A snip here and an edit there, and the movie would have worked. Too long. Too many cliches. Cliches worked in much of Kill Bill because the genre itself is so much fun. But in the western genre, originality is all that’s left. Unless Tarantino thought he was remaking Blazing Saddles. It’s all been done. I think it’s a matter of common sense, but for Tarantino it’s proof of his genius!!! Redbox this one.
Dusty
December 29th, 2012
12:02 pm
td 11:32
I really liked the comparison you made with government expense and household expense, If only we could get people to realize the similarities.
The national debt is OUR debt. How in the world can Democrats seemingly ignore it?
Retired Soldier
December 29th, 2012
12:05 pm
Dusty-
That is an easy question to answer. The democrats simply don’t care.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
12:05 pm
@Dusty – they ignore it because they believe the rhetoric the media and their elected representatives spew into the airways.
tell the truth
December 29th, 2012
12:06 pm
Buckhead Boy at 4:58 am excellent posts friend- but the Repukes will not spend any time answering your questions- they will merely deflect and change the subject to their stock talking points.
It actually is a waste of time to point out facts to them because they never recognize the truth. Thanks for your comments.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
12:07 pm
Look at hussein obama’s answer to this “fiscal cliff”. Why is this a “fiscal cliff”? The media said so. What did hussein do? He went campaigning. Did he talk to House and Senate Leaders right after the election? No. He went campaigning.
tell the truth
December 29th, 2012
12:08 pm
Voter the issue was did they havea fillibuster proof 60 voters- they never did read on
http://www.thepragmaticpundit.com/2011/12/obama-did-not-control-congress-for-two.html
honested
December 29th, 2012
12:08 pm
No Action Necessary!
Let the Federal Revenue Rates return to Clinton Era Sanity.
Then let the republiklanners beg for their home state military subsidies!
Retired Soldier
December 29th, 2012
12:08 pm
Tell-
Your answer is what I have been saying about libs/dems for years. Stop stealing my line!
honested
December 29th, 2012
12:10 pm
tell the truth,
Bringing facts into the discussion will not help those lost conserrrrrrrrvatives who’s minds are made up.
Heck, they won’t even accept responsibility for the terrible damage they have already done.
Retired Soldier
December 29th, 2012
12:10 pm
honested-
For everyone or just the rich?
Rafe Hollister
December 29th, 2012
12:11 pm
Dusty
The national debt is OUR debt. How in the world can Democrats seemingly ignore it?
Logic, reasoning and situational reality are obviously recessive genes, not passed on unless both parents have them. Democrats don’t get those attributes, they get a double dose of emotion and empathy.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
12:11 pm
@tell the truth – I understand, they did have the 60 Dem. Senators for 72 days, but during any time of Congress in session they did not have the fillibuster-proof they desired. They would come up 1 or 2 short because of Franken and Kennedy issues.
Dusty
December 29th, 2012
12:11 pm
Georgia,
Well, nice critique of Django . Is that a movie? :You really get carried away. Somewhat interesting. Maybe you could volunteer as movie critic for AJC.
Dusty
December 29th, 2012
12:15 pm
Rafe, 12:11
Nice explanation of Democratic virtues and otherwise. It’s those GENES that did it!!
tell the truth
December 29th, 2012
12:19 pm
It’s ok repukes- don’t worry about it- let all the tax rates increase. We’ll let the public sort this out in 2014 and 2016. That’ll work.
honested
December 29th, 2012
12:19 pm
retired,
We can all tolerate our share of the burden of Civilization.
Plus, returning to tax sanity for all deprives the wrong wing of yet another whining point.
double
December 29th, 2012
12:19 pm
Time—-Romney man of year 1912.
clem
December 29th, 2012
12:20 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/28/finance-stocks-2012-fines-scandals-fraud_n_2366090.html
read and weep dusty
honested
December 29th, 2012
12:22 pm
retired,
On another note, without the ’sequester’ we will never reign in the current runaway military expenditure.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
12:22 pm
@tell the truth – “It’s ok repukes- don’t worry about it- let all the tax rates increase”
Spending cuts have to happen.
honested
December 29th, 2012
12:24 pm
voter,
Agreed, if we start with closing offshore military bases, cut weapons procurement, cease providing free security for offshore oil companies….
50% up front ought to do it.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
12:24 pm
@tell the truth – Let’s talk some reality here. I lost my job last year. I lived off unemployment til obama cut the program, the first thing I did was CUT MY SPENDING. I cut my bills down to bare essentials and stopped spending so much.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
12:27 pm
@honested – I think a even % across the board to government salaries would be a good start. Then we have to cut every department the same way and remove the waste. Stop travel to Hawaii for conventions for example. Cut down travel altogether. There is too much waste in our Government. More taxes is not the answer.
Dusty
December 29th, 2012
12:30 pm
Tell the Truth and Honested
Please change your IDs. You are incorrect.
When your namecalling is reduced to REPUBLIKLANNERS & REPUKES there is nothing honest or truthful about either of you.
Oh how they cry
December 29th, 2012
12:30 pm
Dusty rants like a child while speaking about the emotions of others
How righteous is that?
And by the way big Dusty, your new brushed from Broad Brushes R US have just come in…
You sure like to generalize but don’t want to be generalized
Hypocrite much… Sure you do
Voter
December 29th, 2012
12:32 pm
@oh how they cry – Don’t pick on Dusty because he tells the truth. Let’s hear some facts from you and less name calling.
tireofit
December 29th, 2012
12:34 pm
Please let us go over the “cliff”. At least the mooching DOD will take some hits. The DOD budget should be no larger that 150 billion.
Real Athens
December 29th, 2012
12:34 pm
For the soldier -
“All laws in the United States begin as bills. Before a bill can become a law, it must be approved by the U.S. House of Representatives, the U.S. Senate, and the President.”
http://kids.clerk.house.gov/grade-school/lesson.html?intID=17
The last filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and house ended in 1979
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/04/28/a-look-back-at-the-last-filibuster-proof-majority-in-the-senate/
Attack Dog
December 29th, 2012
12:35 pm
If you filibuster every bill in the Senate even your own trying to make Obama a one-term President, talk to McConnell not Reed. If you can’t even get your own bill out of a caucus, talk to Boehner, not Pelosi. If you hate the public option in Obamacare, talk to the Heritage Foundation, not Obama. If you figure that Bush was a take-charge President, talk to Cheney, not Biden.
Dusty
December 29th, 2012
12:36 pm
clem,
I read your Hufffinton report. The financial industry of our country has had its problems but it is only one part of the great business world of our country. You see, I do not expect every successful business in this country to be crooked. It is not true.
Try and change your outlook and start by not reading Huffington, a place determined to give bad news.
honested
December 29th, 2012
12:38 pm
voter,
So you are willing to ignore the consistent and rapacious military excesses while picking at the margins?
More taxes are absolutely necessary. The fiscal problems we are currently experiencing did not begin until we embarked on a massively failed experiment in tax cutting.
Accept the failure and return to revenue sanity.
I don’t care how much the top 2% spend to fend it off. Remember, they have the most to lose if the republic fails!
Voter
December 29th, 2012
12:43 pm
@honested – You’re wrong. Why are you so against the military? They are the reason you are here. More taxes is not the answer. They have enough coming in. Spending cuts are essential. Repeat. Spending cuts are essential.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
12:46 pm
@honested – “The fiscal problems we are currently experiencing did not begin until we embarked on a massively failed experiment in tax cutting.”
Wrong again. The government has been increasing the National debt for decades. It wasn’t til hussein obama that we saw 5+ trillion increases.
I last heard the government had 5 billion coming in a day and 6 billion going out. That has to stop!
td
December 29th, 2012
12:48 pm
honested
December 29th, 2012
12:38 pm
Remember that fairness of tax increases are only adding $80 a year to our $21,000 a year income. How are we going to payoff our $142,000 in debt.
honested
December 29th, 2012
12:48 pm
voter,
I’m not against the military, I’m against wasteful military expenditure.
You might remember, it was the same moron in the White House who both enacted the failed tax cut experiment AND committed our military to a failed, three trillion dollar exercise in Iraq that had no reason, no purpose and no benefit. But we still have the 3 trillion dollar bill to pay!
We are nearing the end of our failed, decade plus excursion into Afghanistan (taking our place among the ‘arrogant powers’ who fail to learn from one another’s lesson).
Military adventurism is not an effective tool for foreign policy. Until their resources are strictly limited, the nonsense fear that promotes the use of this excessively expensive bludgeon will continue to starve the American Public.
Real Athens
December 29th, 2012
12:51 pm
Household budgets and a nation’s budgets aren’t in the same ballpark, hell, they’re not even the same game. The same goes with the tired old adage that “government should be run like a business”
“One of the most important concepts to be taught in economics is the notion of the fallacy of composition: what might be true for individuals is probably not true for society as a whole. The most common example is the paradox of thrift: while an individual can save more by reducing spending (on consumption), society can save more only by spending more (for example, on investment).”
http://www.cfeps.org/pubs/pn/pn0601.htm
honested
December 29th, 2012
12:52 pm
voter,
You must have had some sort of blackout in 2000-2001.
Our budget was in balance (mostly due to adequate revenue) and we were actually REDUCING the PRINCIPAL of our DEBT.
Alan Greenspan was concerned that paying down the debt would be ‘detrimental to the financial markets’. This argument was used to sell the miserable failure tax cut policy.
Obviously, greenspan, shrub and the administration at the time was dead wrong.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
12:52 pm
@honested – “three trillion dollar exercise in Iraq that had no reason”
How about Saddam Hussein? Also, Congress, both sides agreed to that. Remember that episode on 9/11 in New York, The Pentagon and the downed plane in Pennsylvania? We were responding to an attack. What did you want to do? Talk to them, plea to the United Nations for sanctions? Get real.
td
December 29th, 2012
12:54 pm
honested
December 29th, 2012
12:48 pm
voter,
“You might remember, it was the same moron in the White House who both enacted the failed tax cut experiment”
False argument. The tax cut you are talking about is equivalent of taking $80 to $120 per year out of out $38,000 per year in spending. You argument does not hold up to the most basic logic.
Oh how they cry
December 29th, 2012
12:54 pm
Except for her waistline and bottom getting bigger due to lack of exercise and healthy eating, nothing has changed with Dusty’s clown shtick since her emotional tirades and clown performances at Bookman’s blog.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
12:55 pm
@honested – We weren’t talking about budgets, we were talking about debt. Spending more than we are taking in. Stop changing the issue.
tireofit
December 29th, 2012
12:55 pm
How about Saddam Hussein?
++
What about him?
honested
December 29th, 2012
12:55 pm
voter,
I don’t care about saddam hussein and killing him was not worth three trillion dollars.
Congress was duped.
9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq.
The Afghan incursion should have ended in 6-9 months and probably would have had the Iraqi War of Choice not got in the way and the troops not been called back in Tora-Bora.
Remember?
Voter
December 29th, 2012
12:56 pm
@oh how they cry – again with the name calling. How ’bout some facts? Anyone can call people names. Make sense or go to CNN’s blog.
honested
December 29th, 2012
12:57 pm
I do believe there is a tiny dog nipping at my ankles and yipping the same dishonest prattle as usual.
tell the truth
December 29th, 2012
12:58 pm
Voter thank you for that- that was my point- that Obama did not have the 60 votes for his first two years in spite of your crowd continuing to parrot that line
Voter
December 29th, 2012
12:59 pm
@honested – “9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq”
Really? Sad. You’re not even making sense. Who do you think was helping the terrorists finacially and otherewise? Man! You’re not even on the same page much less the same planet.
Real Athens
December 29th, 2012
12:59 pm
“The financial industry of our country has had its problems but it is only one part of the great business world of our country.”
True. But not so true.
“Since the financial industry provides rewards to employees and shareholders that are well in excess of the human value it produces (even considering its role as an intermediary delivering financial capital to the real economy, and its resulting second-hand contribution to delivering things that humans value), both financial and human capital are diverted away from the real economy that produces stuff we want. … Did Wall Street deliver 35% or 45% of the human value of all American businesses in the 2000s? That was the “financial services” share of business profits — the reward received for value created. (I’ve seen some variance in this number, but 34% is the lowest number I’ve seen.)
Whereas the financial sector claimed less than 15 percent of total U.S. corporate profits in the 1950s and 1960s, its share grew to 25 percent in the 1990s and 34 percent in the most recent decade through 2008. “—Testimony by Sheila Bair, January 14, 2010.
http://www.businessinsider.com/too-big-to-fail-wall-street-and-main-street-how-big-are-they-2011-3#ixzz2GSsXR0zX
Attack Dog
December 29th, 2012
12:59 pm
When you have a so-called budget guru who couldn’t even carry is home town or county as a vice presidential candidate, you need to talk to Ryan. By the way, we haven’t heard a word from his since a couple of days after the election have we?
Oh how they cry
December 29th, 2012
1:00 pm
Voter
You don’t run this blog… Take it up with the AJC
Voter
December 29th, 2012
1:00 pm
@honested – Let’s not get distracted. Back to taxes vs spending cuts.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
1:01 pm
@Real Athens – Are you attending a business/economy class or did you just graduate from College?
honested
December 29th, 2012
1:02 pm
voter,
I’m certainly not changing the subject.
I just won’t participate in pretending there is a method to solve the problem without adequate revenue.
We had adequate revenue in 2001, but we cut that revenue dramatically for dubious reasons that were proven to be incorrect.
It is time to admit the failure of that fiscal failure and return to normal.
I don’t care what they told you on talk radio.
Attack Dog
December 29th, 2012
1:02 pm
If you cry for keeping tax cuts, but decry that the amount is really small, you are a Dixiecan. When you don’t know that Social Security solvency and the budget deficit/debt are two different policy items, you are a Dixiecan.
td
December 29th, 2012
1:02 pm
Real Athens
December 29th, 2012
12:51 pm
If you believe in the failed keynesian economics theory about government. It is a proven failed theory that has crushed the Soviet union and now is crushing all the economies of Europe and even us. The more limited the governments role the better for the people.
Oh how they cry
December 29th, 2012
1:03 pm
There is going to be a deal with both taxes and spending cuts
Count on it. Deal may or may not be good. Both sides will cry, yet claim victory
Nothing new in DC
Voter
December 29th, 2012
1:05 pm
@td – The more limited the governments role the better for the people.
Amen! Well said!
honested
December 29th, 2012
1:05 pm
voter,
I haven’t left the issue.
Raise taxes.
Cut military spending 50%.
Where is there any change?
Attack Dog
December 29th, 2012
1:06 pm
The role of government is to protect those who think they are smart and those who are not, from those who are simply crooks.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
1:07 pm
@oh how they cry – I agree. The deal won’t make either side happy. That is the problem with our current Government, pass the buck, delay. We need new blood in Congress, to fix the issues or we are going to end up like Europe and all the other failed economic countries.
honested
December 29th, 2012
1:07 pm
That tiny dog is so delusional it thinks that Keynsianism had something to do with the Soviet Union.
It must not know that excessive military expenditure (along with a bloated plutocracy within the party) is what did the Soviet Union in.
Attack Dog
December 29th, 2012
1:08 pm
If keep taxes the same, eliminate all domestic spending and cut military spending by 50%, we would be a breakeven. Now let’s debate the Ryan-Romney Plan.
honested
December 29th, 2012
1:09 pm
voter,
Now there is one place we agree.
Replacing the likes of broun, gingrey, price, westmoreland, woodall, austin scott, kingston, and even the newbie wrong wingers from Georgia would definitely be a good start!
Voter
December 29th, 2012
1:09 pm
@honested – No change for you. No new taxes and cuts across the board plus spending cuts. I have no problem with cuts to the military but equal to the cuts to ALL government agency’s.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
1:11 pm
@honested – Not just Georgia, all States. It’s time for Congress and our Government to be revamped.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
1:12 pm
Lunch time – I’ll be back. lol
Oh how they cry
December 29th, 2012
1:12 pm
Don’t be surprised if a deal or at least a temporary deal is cut today if not tomorrow.
The leaders of each party will pose together and cheer on their “great work”.
To placate their “flocks” they will then hit the news/entertainment shows to blame the other side.
Just like cheesy reality tv…
honested
December 29th, 2012
1:12 pm
voter,
They aren’t NEW taxes.
They are just the same OLD taxes that were cut for artificial, ideological reasons that did NOT work.
THEY MUST BE RESTORED for fiscal health and economic growth.
Attack Dog
December 29th, 2012
1:14 pm
Please put emphasis on the Plutocracy. Dixiecans fail to realize that their leaders bow to the Plutocrats who play for a living rather than those who actually create jobs and make businesses grow organically. One reason Romney and Ryan lost because they couldn’t show that they directly created any jobs with their Bush/Boehner/McConnell tax cuts.
Get Real
December 29th, 2012
1:23 pm
Wow, posting has really taken off this morning….raise taxes, it will have a negligible effect on overall government revenue as it will be like throwing a brick in the Grand Canyon of debt. Until you talk about entitlement reform, everyone is kidding themselves and are clearly not seriously about debt reduction. Even Obama has stated that………
td
December 29th, 2012
1:23 pm
honested
December 29th, 2012
1:12 pm
voter,
They aren’t NEW taxes.
They are just the same OLD taxes that were cut for artificial, ideological reasons that did NOT work.
THEY MUST BE RESTORED for fiscal health and economic growth.
How is $80 per year going to give us fiscal health when we already spend $16,500 more per year then we bring in now?
honested
December 29th, 2012
1:27 pm
get real,
Social Security and Medicare are separate issues funded by a separate pool and have no place in the general revenue and expenditure discussion.
For ‘entitlements’, simply raise the artificial ‘cap’ on payroll taxes to at least 250k if not eliminating it entirely. The ‘entitlement’ problem is solved, FOREVER.
honested
December 29th, 2012
1:28 pm
There it is with false math again.
yip, yip, yip.
Get Real
December 29th, 2012
1:31 pm
honested, explain to me how that is going to balance a trillion dollar plus deficit budget? What you propose will not solve the problem with SS as now with baby boomers beginning the huge draw down, much more is being taken out than is going in and it is only going to get worse
honested
December 29th, 2012
1:34 pm
The general revenue increase is necessary to pay back the ‘trust fund’ for the money already inappropriately redirected.
The 941/payroll tax changes are necessary to deal with the future.
Do you have any concept of how this works?
Real Athens
December 29th, 2012
1:35 pm
Voter:
If you must ask I just returned from China, where I was conducting business and looking into moving a small manufacturer to North America.
What’s going on at mom’s house today?
td, lms, or whomever to equate Keynesian macroeconomic theory with communism shows you weren’t listening in Newt’s revisionist history classes
Politico
December 29th, 2012
1:38 pm
Get Real
Wingfield regulars, especially those banned at Bookman’s for acting like like babies, need somewhere to blog. With Wingfield closing his blog, Galloway’s it is
clem
December 29th, 2012
1:44 pm
thanks dusty, i try to be positive. huff is tame compared to some other sites. but hardly a day goes by that some company is ruining people’s lives. why don’t you try and be objective instead of corporate shill. conservative sites rarely report big business wrong doings in depth. they focus on govt. so it would seem balance is necessary…
Voter
December 29th, 2012
1:53 pm
@Real Athens – I was just wondering, you sounded like you were college educated in economics/business.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
1:55 pm
Anyway back to taxes vs spending cuts. I agree, taxes, even if we return to previous levels it will not make a dent in the Debt or deficit. It’s Government spending that has got to be curtailed. Government thinking is that they think they can keep taxing and fix the problem.
honested
December 29th, 2012
1:58 pm
voter,
Could you supply a detailed graph of revenues and expenditures to support your unsupportable contentions?
What you are spouting does not in any way comport with the realities I encounter.
I realize your misguided ideology blinds you from reality, but it might help you to delve into the FACTS just a little.
CC
December 29th, 2012
2:03 pm
“President Barack Obama did not present a new plan at the meeting”
. . . and this is a surprise?
“Boehner can shepherd something to passage — it just might not be what the conservative base of his caucus likes”
I believe you can take that to the bank!
“The details, as always, remain up in the air”
As they have about EVERYTHING since January, 2009.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
2:05 pm
@honested – No I can’t supply a detailed graph of revenues and expenditures on this blog.
I’m relying on reports from Congress and Congressional Budget Committees , also CNN, MSNBC, FoxNews and other media outlets. Plus I have written my U.S. Senator’s and Representatives and am referencing their numbers. I have not personally been in any D.C. meeting with members of Congress.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
2:08 pm
@honested – Also, it’s common sense. National Debt at 16+ trillion. 5+ trillionin just the past 4 years. That can only happen if you SPEND more than you take in.
Does that not make sense to you?
Curious
December 29th, 2012
2:12 pm
Doubt anyone believes anything short of a combination of cuts and taxes will help get us out of this.
Anybody here not willing to pitch in?
Voter
December 29th, 2012
2:14 pm
@Curious – Do you not think we are already taxed enough? How much is enough to counter Government’s overspending?
clem
December 29th, 2012
2:15 pm
oldie When then-Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill counseled against further tax cuts because of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and the war in Afghanistan, Cheney informed him that “Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter,” according to O’Neill’s telling.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
2:17 pm
Here’s a start of the list:
The inheritance tax.
Accounts Receivable Tax,Building Permit Tax,CDL license Tax,Cigarette Tax,Corporate Income Tax,Dog License Tax,Excise Taxes,Federal Income Tax,Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA),Fishing,License Tax,Food License Tax,Fuel Permit Tax,Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon),Gross Receipts Tax,Hunting License Tax,Inheritance Tax,Inventory Tax,IRS Interest,Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax),Liquor Tax,Luxury Taxes,Marriage License Tax,Medicare Tax,Personal Property Tax,Property Tax,Real Estate Tax,Service Charge Tax,Social,Security Tax,Road Usage Tax,Recreational Vehicle Tax,Sales Tax,School Tax,State Income Tax,State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Voter
December 29th, 2012
2:18 pm
And some more:
Telephone Federal Excise Tax,Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax,Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes,Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax,Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax,Telephone State and Local Tax,Telephone Usage Charge Tax,Utility Taxes,Vehicle License Registration Tax,Vehicle Sales Tax,Watercraft Registration Tax,Well Permit Tax,Workers Compensation Tax
Voter
December 29th, 2012
2:19 pm
So? How much tax is enough?
Cherokee
December 29th, 2012
2:21 pm
Voter taxes are at their lowest level in years.
Curious is correct – there has to be some combination of cuts and tax increases.
Cherokee
December 29th, 2012
2:22 pm
What cuts would you make, voter?
Cherokee
December 29th, 2012
2:23 pm
Someone here mentioned the Romney/Ryan plan.
First, that was rejected by the voters, and secondly, Ryan’s plan actually increased the deficits.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
2:23 pm
Correction on Gas tax, it’s now 49.5 cents per gallon for gas and 54.6 cents per gallon for diesel
Voter
December 29th, 2012
2:25 pm
@Cherokee – To start, 5% pay cut to all government employees, 10% pay cut to ALL members of Congress and Executive Branch, 5% budget cut to all government departments, all unnecessary travel suspended.
Cherokee
December 29th, 2012
2:26 pm
And how much would that save?
Cherokee
December 29th, 2012
2:27 pm
And which programs would you end to reach the 5% department budget cut goal?
td
December 29th, 2012
2:28 pm
Look up the the Penny/Mack plan and you will see a way to balance the budget in 6 years.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
2:29 pm
@Cherokee, then next, all monies sent overseas to unfriendly Countries cease. Stimulus money like Solyndra and other disasters stop. We subsidize our farmers to not grow. We start growing again and sell surplus to other countries, the ones who can’t afford it, they can owe us. We start building and manufacturing again, the Government has taxed almost all production out of the country.
Cherokee
December 29th, 2012
2:29 pm
And by the way, my daughter works for the government – state of Georgia, not the fed – but if you think that government workers deserve or would accept a 5% across the board cut, you’re just naive.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
2:32 pm
@Cherokee, it doesn’t matter, it’s a start to saving money and cut spending. ALL DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT 5% budget cut, I agree, some whole department could go but I don’t want anyone to lose a job. Early-Retire some, retrain others but an across the board budget cut.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
2:33 pm
Would accept? Who do you think votes increases or decreases? By the way, they have never voted a decrease in recent decades.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
2:34 pm
And employees will “accept” whatever their bosses tell them to. Most of these states including Georgia is a Right-to-Work State.
Cherokee
December 29th, 2012
2:35 pm
moneys sent overseas – our total foreign aid budget is less than 1% of our expenditures – and that includes money to our friends like Israel – so cutting that won’t help much
The stimulus ended a couple years ago – again, no impact there.
Farm subsidies – yeah we do pay some farmers not to grow crops – but it’s not a significant amount, and we already sell everything we can overseas.
And manufacturing is on the increase in the US already – because in spite of what you’ve been told, Obama has lowered taxes on small business and encouraged growth here.
The problem is – as you’ve proven – that people who yowl about spending cuts don’t really think it through.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
2:36 pm
Plus I was mainly talking Federal Government and their Debt and Deficits. States typically run a little better.
Cherokee
December 29th, 2012
2:37 pm
And employees will “accept” whatever their bosses tell them to.
But they won’t. They will just go somewhere else. And the government will be left with the employees who are incapable of finding work elsewhere. Which will make it even less efficient than it is now.
Penny wise and pound foolish.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
2:39 pm
@Cherokee – and you talk about being naive. I said it’s a start, the problem is the FEDERAL Government thinks taxes is always the answer. Check my list above and that list is by no means exhaustive. How much taxing is enough for you. 30% of your paycheck? 40%? 45%? How much is enough? Because what you have left of your paycheck you still are paying your bills with, and there is more taxes in that, then when you buy something, more sales tax. So I ask again, how much is enough?
Curious
December 29th, 2012
2:40 pm
Voter,
Why not just go over the cliff?
That’ll give you the cuts you want, plus the increased tax rates will be equivalent to the pay cuts you want, except everybody will be seeing that cut, even those CEOs making millions a year.
An added benfit will be the recession and out of necessity the government will spend even less.
The wild card is just how much influence will the various lobbying groups have on Congress.
Money talks.
honested
December 29th, 2012
2:41 pm
voter,
Don’t you think it is a little less than genuine for you to fold the ‘taxes’ that are used to directly fund the programs for which their ‘user fees’ are charged in with your distorted view of some overarching excessive view of tax burden?
How else do you cover the costs of:
Building Permits?
Commercial Driver’s License oversight?
Animal Control?
Unemployment Insurance?
Department of Natural Resources (fishing licenses)?
Health Department Restaurant Inspections?
Road Construction and Improvement?
Department of Natural Resources (hunting licenses)?
ATF?
Local Governments and Schools?
Medicare and Social Security?
Communications Security?
Department of Natural Resources (watercraft)?
Geez, you don’t have a tax problem, you have a Civilization problem.Civilization is expensive, but for folks like you there are places like Somalia and North Korea where the taxes are lower and the Civilization is dang near non-existent. You might be happier there!
And no, you dis-prove your own point, WE ARE NOT TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY!
Voter
December 29th, 2012
2:42 pm
@Cherokee” Go somewhere else”
Now that’s really naive. Millions are out of work and can’t find jobs. Unemployment is at record highs. And don’t quote the numbers because the Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2012 knocked off millions from the unemployment numbers being counted. I know, I’m one of them.
honested
December 29th, 2012
2:43 pm
voter,
If the problem is FEDERAL, howcum you included so many Municipal and State license fees and general cost obligations.
Methinks your comprehension of the problem is limited to what you hear on rant radio.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
2:44 pm
@honested – I didn’t say there wasn’t a purpose and need for those taxes. The problem is the misuse of what they are receiving. Spending more than what you take in. Try that in your household and see how long you last.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
2:45 pm
@honested – I was just showing some taxes. If you would like I will pick out the Federal only.
Curious
December 29th, 2012
2:46 pm
Let the Federal $ now going to States dry up and see if anybody starts hollering,
Anybody know how much Federal $ are spent in Georgia per year?
Attack Dog
December 29th, 2012
2:46 pm
If you go overboard with rubber stamping tax cuts and increased spending with nothing to show for it, and then obstruct tax increases on the players and prevent spending on the middle class, and blame it on others, you are a Dixiecan.
honested
December 29th, 2012
2:52 pm
voter,
As to what percent?
First, cut military expenditures at least 50%. There is no legitimate reason to fund the most expensive Military Industrial Complex in the entire universe any more. It does not benefit our Citizenry, it only bleeds them dry.
With that done, determine the cost of maintaining the level of Civilization the American Public has requested from their government and expects it to continue and assess the costs based on the wealth of the individual Citizen (you don’t get much by taxing poverty).
Don’t like it, move somewhere else where Civilization is not held in as high a priority.
There are several theologically based, barbarous countries to choose from and a few secular barbarous countries.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
honested
December 29th, 2012
2:54 pm
Curious,
There are numerous websites displaying the tremendous positive inflow to red states of federal largesse (just look at our wasteful military industrial plant in Cobb County).
The wrong wingers hate this exposure of the truth, but it is still the truth.
honested
December 29th, 2012
2:56 pm
voter,
If the concern is ‘waste, fraud and abuse’, accept that the revenue is necessary and concentrate on the allocation and use of the funds.
Of course, that does not pander to the interests of the uber-wealthy that invented the ‘over taxed’ myth.
honested
December 29th, 2012
2:57 pm
Where did that tiny dog and his low information supporters go?
The conserrrrrrrrrvative viewpoint is getting the drubbing it deserves here!
td
December 29th, 2012
2:59 pm
Cherokee
December 29th, 2012
2:29 pm
And by the way, my daughter works for the government – state of Georgia, not the fed – but if you think that government workers deserve or would accept a 5% across the board cut, you’re just naive.
I thought we were talking about the Federal Budget? The state has done due diligence and balanced it budgets each and every year. They have froze pay increases for years, furloughed staff and cut out many vacant positions. Many other states have taken the same measures. The Feds need to do the same thing until the budgets are under control.
td
December 29th, 2012
3:03 pm
honested
December 29th, 2012
2:52 pm
Again your math does not work. You can cut the entire military budget $1 trillion per year and still not balance the budget. When you do this then there is no need for the Federal government since its number one Constitutional requirement is to protect the country.
tireofit
December 29th, 2012
3:13 pm
When you do this then there is no need for the Federal government since its number one Constitutional requirement is to protect the country.
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No where does the Constitution say we should be the worlds policeman, therefore DOD budget of 100 – 150 billion is more than enough. Also, all government contractors should make no more that 20 dollars per hour.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
3:22 pm
@tireofit – Agreed, on being the worlds policeman but sometimes in our own interest to help. There were a lot of people who disagreed with The Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, WWI and WWII also but helping win those wars preserved our Nation.
Kris
December 29th, 2012
3:22 pm
The fact is Romney wasn’t “narrowly beaten.” He was shellacked. The entire Republican party was shellacked.
When will the GOP realize it is time to fix the economy.
I am just a simple person with a simple dream. My plea is for someone, one of you, anybody to help me realize my dreams of this great country.
I dream of individual rights that allow me to own my own home without being annexed into a city by ordinance rather than referendum.
The ability to buy a hundred watt light bulb that reads “made in America”.
I long for the time I can stroll down the aisles at Wal-Mart and see more items made in America than made in China.
I want to choose to wear a motorcycle helmet or not, choose to wear a seat belt or not.
I would also like my school to teach reading, writing and arithmetic after a pledge to the flag and morning devotional.
It’s also important that my daughter has some Social Security benefit when she retires.
The ability to fill my truck with gas without a credit union loan.
To open my phone bill and see two lines, one for service rendered and one for tax.
Each and every day seems more and more restrictive than free to old timers like me. Good intention is always appreciated but not always good. America seemed at her best when each of us was responsible for ourselves. I am willing to once again assume responsibility for my own self. There may be others who would as well.
I have already started by balancing my own budget.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
3:26 pm
@Kris – 1st check the numbers, he wasn’t “shellacked”. 2nd it isn’t only the GOP, the Democrats are part of this. Civics Class 101
Curious
December 29th, 2012
3:35 pm
Considering Obama had/has about the worst numbers (in every category) of any previous President, Romney should’ve won in a landslide. Yet, Romney was such a chameleon many people finally assessed him as a phony.
His loss to Obama should be and is the equivalent of a shell-lacking.
td
December 29th, 2012
3:40 pm
Curious
December 29th, 2012
3:35 pm
Considering Obama had/has about the worst numbers (in every category) of any previous President, Romney should’ve won in a landslide. Yet, Romney was such a chameleon many people finally assessed him as a phony.
His loss to Obama should be and is the equivalent of a shell-lacking.
2 reasons why Obama won:
1: Republicans again thought they actually had to run a “moderate” to win and it did not work for them.
2: The Dems crushed the Republicans with using technology. Their data mining techniques and use of targeted messaging (mind manipulation of the uninformed) was brilliant
Voter
December 29th, 2012
3:43 pm
@Curious – “His loss to Obama should be and is the equivalent of a shell-lacking”
I understand that line of thought but that has to do with more of the moral fiber of the Country. Morally and ethically we are headed in the wrong direction. This past election proved it.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
3:45 pm
@td – good points. Also remember what Chris Matthews said: Thank God for Hurricane Sandy!
Only the morally bankrupted would say that.
tireofit
December 29th, 2012
3:45 pm
Morally and ethically we are headed in the wrong direction.
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Yes we are the country of greed and war and karma is going to pay us a major visit.
tell the truth
December 29th, 2012
4:08 pm
We are headed in the wrong direction because you lost big-time again at the polls? That sounds rather sanctimonious to me. Maybe you are the one headed in the wrong direction. Maybe you are looking at unlimited lost elections in your future. Would that ruin your day Bunky?
tell the truth
December 29th, 2012
4:13 pm
td still playing that game about not doing one particular thing because it will not solve all the woes? Really quite comical- but sad that you continue to play that silly card. If you do all the little singular items then the total outcome will have a definite affect on balancing the budget. Please dear god use your head one time in your life and stop with the useless bumper sticker slogans.
td
December 29th, 2012
4:19 pm
tell the truth
December 29th, 2012
4:13 pm
I see you have not been blessed with reading comprehension skills. I said we should adopt the Penny/Mack plan. Then after the six years are up we can consider raising taxes to pay off the debt.
tireofit
December 29th, 2012
4:26 pm
It doesn’t seem that the voters supported the Penny/Mack plan.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
4:28 pm
@tell the truth – “because you lost big-time again at the polls? ”
Get past it. We’re talking about Government spending being out of control vs more taxes. 16+ trillion in debt, yearly deficits of 1+ trillion. THESE ARE FACTS!!!!!!!!!! Stay on subject
Voter
December 29th, 2012
4:31 pm
@tireofit – “It doesn’t seem that the voters supported the Penny/Mack plan.”
What voters, this is a plan being discussed by Congressman. Voters no longer have a say.
td
December 29th, 2012
4:36 pm
tireofit
December 29th, 2012
4:26 pm
It doesn’t seem that the voters supported the Penny/Mack plan
I bet very few voters know about the Penny/Mack plan. Although most polls do state the overwhelming majority of voters support cutting spending.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
4:42 pm
@tireofit – Again Civics Class 101 – We as voters vote in our Senators and Congressman, once they are in office they vote or don’t vote for bills. We can write them and tell them our opinion, maybe tell them we don’t want them to vote or to vote but ultimately we have no control until election time comes around.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
December 29th, 2012
4:42 pm
I can imagine a liberal clutching their pillow over the sight of many things but now it’s Grover Norquist?
It doesn’t take much to frighten these fools.
tireofit
December 29th, 2012
4:44 pm
“We can write them and tell them our opinion, maybe tell them we don’t want them to vote or to vote but ultimately we have no control until election time comes around.”
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Mack lost and so did his plan.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
4:46 pm
@tireofit – “Mack lost and so did his plan”
That doesn’t mean they can’t discuss the merits and ideas and formulate a new bill. Man! Take a civics class or something!
honested
December 29th, 2012
4:58 pm
mack’s ‘plan’ was more bogus ideology and almost zero substance.
I’m sorry you conserrrrrrrrvative’s imaginary deities prevent you from accepting tax increases, but hey you lost so suck it up.
I don’t expect you to stop whining, just stop being the major impediment to progress.
We had 8 years of an uninterrupted ‘laffer curve’ experiment, and it was a dismal failure.
Why on earth would anyone for a second believe that continuing the failed experiment would have any difference whatsoever in result?
td
December 29th, 2012
5:00 pm
tireofit
December 29th, 2012
4:44 pm
“We can write them and tell them our opinion, maybe tell them we don’t want them to vote or to vote but ultimately we have no control until election time comes around.”
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Mack lost and so did his plan.
Wrong Mack look up the bill and see which Mack is the author.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
5:04 pm
@honested – “We had 8 years of an uninterrupted ‘laffer curve’ experiment, and it was a dismal failure.”
I think you mean the past 4 years with 4 more to come.
td
December 29th, 2012
5:05 pm
honested
December 29th, 2012
4:58 pm
“mack’s ‘plan’ was more bogus ideology and almost zero substance.”
So freezing the Federal Budget and cutting 1% across the board for 6 years is “bogus ideology”? Sounds like common sense to me. What is bogus ideology is to think raising taxes on the rich will resolve our nations problem. $80 billion per year that is going to do nothing to solve our deficit or debt crisis is the pie in the sky dreams of the uninformed.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
5:07 pm
@td – Well said.
honested
December 29th, 2012
5:25 pm
Do I hear that tiny dog yipping about ‘common sense’?
1% of the military budget is a rounding error and points out republicklan cowardice.
Lets find out how fast things improve once appropriate revenue is returned.
We can only hope it resolves the problem as fast as grossly inadequate revenue caused it.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
5:29 pm
@honested – “Lets find out how fast things improve once appropriate revenue is returned”
Appropriate revenue is down because of job loss, not taxes. Again, taxing is not the answer. Spending cuts have to be mandatory.
td
December 29th, 2012
5:34 pm
honested
December 29th, 2012
5:25 pm
Do I hear that tiny dog yipping about ‘common sense’?
1% of the military budget is a rounding error and points out republicklan cowardice.
Lets find out how fast things improve once appropriate revenue is returned.
We can only hope it resolves the problem as fast as grossly inadequate revenue caused it.
Are you a complete moron? It has been proven over and over again that going back to the Clinton era tax rates on people making over $250,000 per year will do absolutely nothing to balance a budget or to pay down our debt. It is nothing more then a FEEL GOOD exercise so that the left can feel better about their circumstance. Heck, Obama’s proposed spending increases on “lifetime” unemployment will eat up most of the tax increase.
Come to the table with something real and not what makes you feel better and then you may be believable, until then you just look like another uninformed Obama voter.
yuzeyurbrane
December 29th, 2012
5:38 pm
td–your conclusions re govt. spending increase are all wet. In the last 20 years, the Federal govt. has reduced its workforce dramatically while state govts., including Georgia, have increased equally dramatically. Nothing against your wife and daughter working for the state and you using your wife’s health insurance, but Georgia state employees have only started to have employment and benefit cutbacks the last 10 years at most. Of course, you are probably the biggest hypocrite on this blog because of that but no one should be surprised.
honested
December 29th, 2012
5:41 pm
tiny dog,
I realize that your ‘position’ has been repeated on talk radio and wrong wing blogs.
Big whup.
It does not change the fact that adequate revenue is necessary. I would just as soon increase ALL Federal Income Taxes on EVERYBODY. We all share some responsibility for allowing the disaster wrought by the shrub administration. I would like to see the top marginal rate restored to at least 42%, no matter who whines or how loud.
Now tell me what good a ‘1% cut’ on rapacious military waste would do?
Attack Dog
December 29th, 2012
5:43 pm
1. The reason why Obama won is because his numbers were not as bad as Karl Rove and Fox News claimed, and Romney/Ryan and the GOP were much…much…much worse. Don’t thinks so? Who won and by how much? 2. Saying that Obama is the worst President belies to open acknowledgement by even Dixiecans that George W. Bush set such a low bar that Harding and Hoover now look like they were great. 3. Just think, Bush would still be in two wars and would have driven the country into the wrong fiscal cliff in reverse, because Boehner and McConnell were (and still are) still digging in the canyon.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
5:44 pm
@yuzeyurbrane – I hate to burst your bubble but the Federal Gov’t has not been reduced. Not only that this Gov’t is spending more per year than ever before and it’s not all on the military. It’s entitlements like welfare, food stamps, worthless stimulus to companies who are now filing bankruptcy, now health care. Watch out.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
5:46 pm
@Attack Dog – You need help, meds maybe.
tireofit
December 29th, 2012
5:48 pm
“It’s entitlements like welfare, food stamps, worthless stimulus to companies who are now filing bankruptcy, now health care.
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I would rather we spend it on “us” than wasting more on the mooching military industrial complex.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
5:50 pm
@tireofit – Do you have children? Would you rather keep paying their allowance or means of living or would you rather help them get a job and become self-supportive?
Voter
December 29th, 2012
5:52 pm
@tireofit – “I would rather we spend it on “us”
That kind of thinking is what has destroyed Europe and others. Socialism does not work. History has shown it doesn’t.
Attack Dog
December 29th, 2012
5:55 pm
You would think that the Dixiecans would be praising the fiscal cliff that they caused by self inflicted digging. It is exactly what they did during the Civil War. Run up debt on unnecessary military conflict, exploit the poor, town folks, minorities, and women, while the Pluto-Aristocrats sat on thumbs and refused to pay taxes. Does anyone remember the Blue Dog Democrats coming on C-Span nightly in an empty House chamber, talking about the annual deficit and their federal debt chart?
yuzeyurbrane
December 29th, 2012
5:59 pm
Voter—you are comparing apples and oranges. My comment was in response to comments by td re size of Federal govt. workforce compared to “efficient” state govt. workforce, in particular the State of Georgia for whom both his wife and daughter work. The Federal budget is composed of things besides civilian workforce as you pointed out: pretty much fixed items like the military, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps and relatively small expenditures on other discretionary departments. Social Security, while frequently cited by the misinformed as being an entitlement is not even calculated as part of the budget because it is self-financing, at least for the next 20 years. Essentially, folks are getting back what they paid into it with their FICA taxes, like a fixed annuity. Hardly the the vision of an entitlement which your words suggest. At any rate, I suggest you google Federal employment and you will see that workforce size comments I made are pretty accurate.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
6:00 pm
@Attack Dog – “You would think that the Dixiecans would be praising the fiscal cliff that they caused by self inflicted digging.”
There is no “Fiscal Cliff”. Media created it. The Budget Control Act of 2011 was passed by the House and Senate and signed by president hussein obama. If he disagreed with it, why did he sign it?
Voter
December 29th, 2012
6:01 pm
@yuzeyurbrane – I’ve seen the numbers. I’m correct. All government,(including the military) has grown under obama. Not to mention the Czars and their staff.
td
December 29th, 2012
6:07 pm
honested
December 29th, 2012
5:41 pm
That is 1% per year for 6 years. You really should read the plan.
” I would just as soon increase ALL Federal Income Taxes on EVERYBODY. We all share some responsibility for allowing the disaster wrought by the shrub administration. I would like to see the top marginal rate restored to at least 42%, no matter who whines or how loud.”
We know you are a true socialist and want full redistribution of wealth though the almighty government.
“It does not change the fact that adequate revenue is necessary.”
Adequate for what? To make sure all the people that do not want to work, that do not want an education and do not want to take the responsibility of taking care of themselves to be given a good living from taking from others?
Voter
December 29th, 2012
6:08 pm
@yuzeyurbrane – “Essentially, folks are getting back what they paid into it with their FICA taxes, like a fixed annuity.”
Dream on. The Gov’t. has been robbing from this fund for years and most people who are now in their 40’s and 50’s will never see it when they turn 62-70. The numbers don’t lie, they say this fund will be broke by 2027, some say sonner.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
6:09 pm
Sooner
td
December 29th, 2012
6:10 pm
yuzeyurbrane
December 29th, 2012
5:59 pm
You just make up crap as you go. My daughter is 12. What other junk have you made up? Oops looks like Voter has already called you out.
td
December 29th, 2012
6:18 pm
yuzeyurbrane
December 29th, 2012
5:59 pm
” Essentially, folks are getting back what they paid into it with their FICA taxes, like a fixed annuity. Hardly the the vision of an entitlement which your words suggest.”
While I agree that FICA is an insurance policy that people pay into and should get their money back. the facts are that most people get back more then they put into the system because we live longer. We also give out SSI to many millions that have paid nothing into the system and give survivors benefits to many more children that have paid nothing into the system.
“The answer largely depends on when you retire and how much you’ve earned over your lifetime. Consider a single man who earns the average wage throughout his career ($43,100 in 2010 dollars), works every year from age 22 to 64, and then retires at age 65 in 2010. Over his lifetime he has paid $345,000 into the system. But he is likely to get back $72,000 more than that, or $417,000 in Social Security and Medicare payouts, according to recent Urban Institute calculations. A single women with the same work and tax history will come out even further ahead due to her longer life expectancy, likely netting $464,000 in lifetime benefits, which is $192,000 more than she paid into the system. These amounts are in constant 2010 dollars and assume a 2 percent real interest rate.”
http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/planning-to-retire/2011/01/06/will-you-get-back-your-social-security-taxes-in-retirement
Shine
December 29th, 2012
6:20 pm
Well I see the kooks have been on their period all day. Bad Obama, bad baby, bad. The polls say the people, even the one’s who voted for the Republican Romney/Ryan kook ticket, support the president on his tax plan etc.
I just love you conservative weirdoes. Thanks for all you are doing for the democratic party.
clem
December 29th, 2012
6:23 pm
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/oct/24/bill-nelson/bill-nelson-says-connie-macks-penny-plan-would-lea/
Shine
December 29th, 2012
6:27 pm
Voter Voter Voter…you know the election for president and senate was supposed to settle it. If Romney won then he would claim a mandate for some kook plan for more tax cuts for the wealthy etc and they actually expected to win the presidency and the senate.
But the lies of Fox News etc could not keep reality from crashing down. Obama won, the dems picked up seats in the House and Senate, and votes for congressional races were more for dems than for pubs. If distrcits were gerrymandered to reflect the election results, Democrats would control the House by a couple of seats.
No body likes whiners and sore losers.
td
December 29th, 2012
6:28 pm
clem
December 29th, 2012
6:23 pm
And? Those are the types of cuts we are going to have to have to balance the budget and get out of debt. The credit card is maxed out and we will have to pay the piper sooner then later. Being in denial is a excuse of the lame.
Attack Dog
December 29th, 2012
6:30 pm
Going over the fiscal cliff and being one of the worst Presidents, William Henry Harrison was in office for only 30-days and had a great-great grandson who became the Executive Director of the NAACP, was not as bad as Bush in the eyes of even Dixiecans. Outing Obama is like telling the life guard who saved their sorry butt who couldn’t swim, that he should have gotten to them faster.
double
December 29th, 2012
6:31 pm
Yep we attacked a country we gave our ok, to invade kuwait.Google/search April Glaspie.International Inspectors could find no wmd’s.When he left the kindergarten class that was probably to call pappa Bush asking what should he do.Reckon the gassed Kurds more dead than all we killed with cluster bombs?
Shine
December 29th, 2012
6:32 pm
But Td, when GDP picks up we can borrow more just like you implying military spending compared to GDP is too low, right you kook you?
clem
December 29th, 2012
6:40 pm
it was provided as info; i agree we need to make cuts and raise revenues (bush tax cuts should never have happened as they did). there are lots of things that could be done….everyone needs some skin in game, but by the same token we should not be in a rush to the bottom of the economic pie distribution either.
but off to dinner.
Shine
December 29th, 2012
7:01 pm
The Bush tax cuts passed in the first place because black whining nutjobs were demanding “slave reperations” now ” that we could afford it”. Well now we can afford nothing. the black whiners pretty much ruined the democratic party in the south just as the dont tax the rich republican whiners are damaging the GOP nationwide.
double
December 29th, 2012
7:07 pm
Subliminal message vote for Obama .Real message Obama won,Factual message Obama 4 more years.
Rabbit
December 29th, 2012
7:10 pm
“”I keep seeing articles about the ‘fiscal cliff’ that do, in fact, describe it — often in the headline — as a debt crisis. But it isn’t… No, what we’re having is a political crisis, born of the fact that one of our two great political parties has reached the end of a 30-year road. The modern Republican Party’s grand, radical agenda lies in ruins — but the party doesn’t know how to deal with that failure, and it retains enough power to do immense damage as it strikes out in frustration.” Paul Krugman
Attack Dog
December 29th, 2012
7:19 pm
If the Ryan Plan is so great, why didn’t Boehner put it up for a vote 33-times like he did with trying to repeal Obamacare? What about Clarence Chambliss complaining about a $150 hammer but fighting to keep the worthless F-22 fighter that cost $350 million each? Do you remember the lame 2008 lame duck GOP congress being forced not to allocate stimulus funds, with no strings attached, because Bush made such a mess of the the first round?
Voter
December 29th, 2012
7:28 pm
@Attack Dog & @Shine – Election over, now time for big boy work.
Spending has got to come under control, period.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
December 29th, 2012
7:29 pm
4 more years of obozo means 4 more years of blaming Bush.
The Bush Presidency enters it’s 13th year.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
7:48 pm
@Aesop.. – Well said.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
7:52 pm
@Aesop.. – not just Bush, It’s gone bank to Daddy Bush and Reagan. Their all to blame according to the liberal democrats/hussein crowd.
Dusty
December 29th, 2012
7:52 pm
Rabbit,
So you and Paul Krugman believe that tnere is no debt crisis. Just a political crisis. It is only the Republican Party’s agenda that lies in ruins.
Believe me, when the dive off the fiscal cliff comes, the ruins that lay at the bottom will be of both parties. The smoke rising will be from the efforts to have a one party rule in this country. That also lays our Constitution in a smoking heap.
Let me paraphrase Mark Twain on this proclaimed death notice: of the Republican Party agenda:. “The report of such death is an exaggeration.”
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
December 29th, 2012
8:00 pm
tell the truth: So the Dems had 60 in the Senate in the first two years???? Seriously?? You must De-ranged!!!
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Yes, yes, and no.
Don’t fear facts.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
December 29th, 2012
8:02 pm
Attack Dung: If the Ryan Plan is so great, why didn’t Boehner put it up for a vote
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He did. It passed.
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:02 pm
Yep Voter, time for big boy work…STARTING WITH THE TAX INCREASES FOR THOSE ABOVE 250,000 AS CAMPAIGNED ON.
If Republicans dont like others using the name of the great Reagan, Bush, or Lincoln the fink, then they need to quit using them as examples of greatness when they are a batch of the sorriest presidents ever elected.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
8:03 pm
@Dusty – What “fiscal cliff”? The Budget Control Act of 2011 was signed by president obama. If he didn’t like it, why did he sign it? He could’ve vetoed it.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
8:04 pm
@Shine – No, sorriest use to go to carter, but now obama has surpassed him. Georgia is no longer home to the worst president!
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:04 pm
The Ryan budget passed the House but the nation rejected it on Nov 7. Back to the kook board for Republicans.
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:06 pm
Obama is in a league of only 5 preidents who was in office when the stock market gained over 60% in his first term. Time to chistle Lincoln the fink off of Rushmore and put a real winner up there……Obama.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
December 29th, 2012
8:07 pm
The Ryan budget passed the House but the nation rejected it on Nov 7.
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Yep. Didn’t have enough presents in it for the maggots.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
8:08 pm
@Shine – Dream on. Because it was Bush’s policies that got the market over 60%. hussein obama hasn’t passed anything or done anything other than come up with new ways to tax us, aka.obamacare
Politico
December 29th, 2012
8:09 pm
Little brain is at it again
hahahahahaha
what a clown
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:10 pm
Obama signed the Budget Control Act because the election would decide the direction we would take.
Republican kookyness like the Ryan budget lost…Obama and practicality won.
Its not real hard to figure out for everyone except grownups acting like spoiled children in Toys R Us.
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:13 pm
Have yall figured out Obama won reelection yet? On a message of ending the tax cuts for incomes over 250000? Stopping tax goodies for comapnies that move jobs overseas? etc etc etc
I know its a shock when you have been spoiled for so long.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
8:13 pm
@Shine – Then if he signed it and has not presented a budget then the Budget Control Act of 2011 goes into effect. hussein obama has no one to blame except himself.
Politico
December 29th, 2012
8:14 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:15 pm
If you gonna give Bush credit for the market going up over 60% will you also give Bush the credit for it falling roughly 70 % or 8000 points?
Voter
December 29th, 2012
8:15 pm
@Shine – Campaigning and getting your ideas into bills and passing them thru Congress are 2 different things. He’s not a king, this is a Democracy.
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:16 pm
The polls show the kook party will take the blame. As you kooks, say, life aint fair.
Dusty
December 29th, 2012
8:18 pm
Shine
You are the best joker ever. Replace Lincoln with Obama on Mount Rushmore!!!
Woohoo!!! That’s the funniest thing I’ve read today.
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:19 pm
This is a democracy? And here I thought it was a democratic republic. No matter, the peoples spoke. Too bad whiners dont like the vibrations that were in air Nov 7.
td
December 29th, 2012
8:20 pm
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:10 pm
Obama signed the Budget Control Act because the election would decide the direction we would take.
We had an election and what has changed? Obama is still President and the Republicans are still in charge of the House.
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:21 pm
If Lincoln is worth a place on Rushmore then so is Marx. No president has ever did more harm to the Constitution and the rule of law than that fink.
Obama is a much better choice.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
8:22 pm
@Shine – I agree. “No president has ever did more harm to the Constitution and the rule of law than that fink.
Obama”
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:24 pm
Well Td, lets see what has changed. Come Tuesday them taxes is going up. Reckon the kook House will pass a tax cut for 98% of working americans and 97% of small businesses next year? why not now?
father time will soon show you what has changed if you too dense to figure it out.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
8:25 pm
@Shine – Tax , tax, tax – why do you never talk spending cuts or budget cuts?
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:31 pm
President Obama just joined an exclusive club.
He is one of only five presidents to see the Dow Jones Industrial Average gain 50 percent or more through his first three years in office, according to a report from Bespoke Investment Group. Obama, who has overseen a 60 percent gain in the Dow since taking office, joins two Democrats, Bill Clinton and Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and two Republicans, Calvin Coolidge and Dwight D. Eisenhower in the club.
Eisenhower, Clinton, and Roosevelt raised taxes on the wealthy.
Dusty
December 29th, 2012
8:32 pm
Shine
Our country is a democratic Republic. That’s why I wonder when you act likie it is a Democratic enclave only. with a few outlaw Republicans trying to ruin your territory.
You grind ALL-AMERICAN under your heel in every post. Why? You get paid?.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
8:33 pm
I think Shine is liberallefty in disguise. Beware.
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:33 pm
Cut the military budget back to what it was when Dubya took office. That will save 3 trillion or so over 10 years.
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:36 pm
Fraid not, its you kooks who grind American under your heels…..defending the unpatriotic deadbeat corps, defending the greed that likes all the protection of the american government but doesnt like to pay for it…etc etc etc ..
Voter
December 29th, 2012
8:38 pm
@Shine – now your talking. Cut ALL Federal Government Departments by 5-10% in their budgets. Cut all salaries 5%, cut Executive Branch 10%.
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:39 pm
i a liberallefty? on some issues perhaps libertarian. liberty is such a dirty root word to kooks it seems.
Seems voter, td, etc are tools of satan.
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:41 pm
I am not for cutting workers salaries. you want your pay cut? cut medicaid by 10% what we gonna have grannies and retarded children begging on street corners? nice picture from naziland.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
8:42 pm
@Shine – liberallefty is the sign-on from yesterday. You sound just like him. lol..just some humor.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
8:44 pm
@Shine – Most federal government employee’s could withstand a 5% paycut and survive easily. Their managers could withstand 10%. Congress and the Executive Branch 10% or more. So many perks already they don’t even need half their salary.
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:44 pm
I am off to watch the feetsball game when halftime ends. let me know in January if the kooks dont cut taxes for 98% of americans and 97% of small businesses.
tick tock tick tock tick tock
Dusty
December 29th, 2012
8:44 pm
Shine,
There you go.. Reading from a script laid out;for you. What are you? A leftover from the election still plugging away with the old political lines given you by the party?
Didn’t you win the election? Why all the old trash burning at this time? It’s noxious.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
8:44 pm
@Dusty – Well said.
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:45 pm
Ok then. if workers can stand a pay cut then millionaires can afford a 75% tax rate right? they will still have more thna enough…..kooks.
td
December 29th, 2012
8:45 pm
I see some did not read the math lesson from a little earlier so I will post it one more time. Please note the last line. This is what the proposed tax increases Obama wants will do to the budget. Nothing more then a feel good measure for the left.
US national revenue: 2,170,000,000,000
Federal Budget: 3,820,000,000,000
New Debt: 1,650,000,000,000
National debt: 14,271,000,000,000
Recent budget cuts: 35,500,000,000
Now let us remove 8 zeros and pretend it is a household budget:
Annual family income: $21,700
Money family spent: $38,200
New debt on the credit card: $16,500
Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
Total household budget cuts so far: $38.50
New revenue coming in this next year (Obama proposed tax increase): $80.00
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:47 pm
Gosh TD, I bet Bernacke carries your briefcase to coloring book class doesnt he?
Drop some zeroes off the Nov 7 election result and it still say Obam won….
Voter
December 29th, 2012
8:47 pm
@td – thanks. Some can’t add right or subtract.
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:52 pm
I am using lines from a presidential campaign? LMAO!! You kooks are spreading the noxious fumes……cut spending cut spending cut spending…..
that’s been offered but its never good enough. looks like the government will be getting some revenue with no spending cuts. You republicans are so smart……..
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:54 pm
Yes voter, except Obama offered 1.6 trillion the first time and 4.2 trillion afterward. 800 billion was an offer in 2011 and is no longer on the table. If td cant even get that right that makes the rest of his math not worth the ti9me to look into.
Shine
December 29th, 2012
8:56 pm
should be 1.2 trillion in revenue not 4.2…..watching tv out my good eye.
Dusty
December 29th, 2012
9:02 pm
My goodness,
I think Shine was using that “color book” line over at Dupree’s place. He was using one of his other IDs. Yep, same old Dem leftovers from election hangovers.
Shine
December 29th, 2012
9:12 pm
Naw….Shine is the only name I have used on any AJC site in a long time. Sorry to disappoint you. Hang in there, like the littel engine that could, you can get something right one day.
tell the truth
December 29th, 2012
9:16 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout – OBAMAPHONE!!! still on here lying I see- read the truth about your first 2 years bunky
http://www.thepragmaticpundit.com/2011/12/obama-did-not-control-congress-for-two.html
Voter
December 29th, 2012
9:17 pm
@Shine – hussein obama doesn’t make laws, Congress does. He can offer all he wants.
honested
December 29th, 2012
9:32 pm
Keep whimpering in your caves, sad little conserrrrrrrvatives.
Next Wednesday, it will be nice to watch the military industrial moocher protectors from GA grovel to get back their ‘military weapons procurement entitlement funds’.
Luckily, we have enough Congresspeople with brains to rein in the massive waste needed to fund the most expensive military in the history of the universe.
Voter
December 29th, 2012
9:35 pm
@honested -We’ll see. And remember, it’s the greatest military of all time from any nation. The whole world owes a gratitude, saving them from the German’s in 2 World Wars and the Japanese in WWII. Be grateful and less bitter. They fight the battles you don’t.
Dusty
December 29th, 2012
9:40 pm
So Shine loses his luster and Tell the Truth takes over.
Get ready for Liar Liar House on fire!! That’s Truthie’s speciality.
Enough of this stuff.. G’nite. Gonna be cold tomorrow. .