‘Fiscal cliff’ negotiations shrink to Obama and Boehner

News of nothing becomes something. From the New York Times:

WASHINGTON — At House Speaker John A. Boehner’s request, Senate leaders and Representative Nancy Pelosi have been excluded from talks to avert a fiscal crisis, leaving it to Mr. Boehner and President Obama alone to find a deal, Congressional aides say.

All sides, even the parties excluded, say clearing the negotiating room improves the chance of success. It adds complexity as the two negotiators consult separately with the leaders not in the room. But it also minimizes the number of people who need to say yes to an initial agreement.

“This is now the speaker and the president working this through,” said Senator Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the Senate’s No. 2 Democrat.

White House aides and the speaker’s staff, by mutual agreement, have largely shut down public communication about the talks to avert hundreds of billions of dollars in automatic tax increases and spending cuts set to begin in January if no deal can be reached. Both sides said on Thursday that lines of communication remained open.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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54 comments Add your comment

double

December 6th, 2012
10:01 pm

At Boehners request others excluded from talks.Agreed to by President.Could this be the beginning of working together?

jconservative

December 6th, 2012
10:38 pm

“…the talks to avert hundreds of billions of dollars in automatic tax increases and spending cuts set to begin in January if no deal can be reached.”

What is there to negotiate?

Mary prince

December 6th, 2012
10:43 pm

Please don’t give in!!! Don’t let Obama get his way with the fiscal cliff. Stand strong!!!

native

December 6th, 2012
11:49 pm

Does no one realize that President Obama has all the nuts in this negotiation? All he has to do is wait until January 1 and ask, “Would you like to discuss tax reduction?” The tax reversion on high earners he champions is mostly symbolic. It won’t solve our problems on its own, not even close. But he earned that symbolism by winning the election. It’s time for the opposition to give him that and expect a good faith negotiation on charting a path to fiscal responsibility in return.

Silent Jay

December 7th, 2012
12:29 am

Grover Norquist won’t be there?

JD

December 7th, 2012
12:49 am

It is about time. While Boehner needs to blame the leaders in the Democratic party, this move clearly shows that he knows the Tea Party is the real problem.

Jim

December 7th, 2012
1:28 am

Voter

December 7th, 2012
1:51 am

So sad that so many out there think hussin obama is good for this Country.

wow

December 7th, 2012
2:27 am

“hussin obama”

Who is that guy?

Seriously though...

December 7th, 2012
5:13 am

It just seems that Obama has no intention of negotiating, that it is his way or the highway. Unfortunately, the media is all to willing to put any blame all on the Republicans when in fact they have put forth several good plans of compromise. I think what we truly see here is a President who really is in over his head and could care less about what is good for this Country. His demand to want to changes to the Constitution to give him the power to raise the debt ceiling at will is a very dangerous direction and a strong indicator about where he really wants to take this Country.

Seriously though...

December 7th, 2012
5:16 am

One more thing, if Obama would stay put in Washington think of all the money taxpayers would save. I think someone failed to mention to him the campaign is over and he is only allowed two terms, or he may be planning to try to get that changed as well.

The 2% Party

December 7th, 2012
5:27 am

This continued defense of the top 2% is just stupid. The vast majority of Americans (Georgia notwithstanding) side with President Obama on this issue. Boehner and the obstructionist party will take the blame for this fiasco.

Get Real

December 7th, 2012
6:15 am

Obama has absolutely no intention of cutting spending and this country will be Greece in 10 years. Anyone voting for this amateur are complicit in our demise. Not trying to be doom and gloom but to look at this any other way is very naive. Obama himself has stated that we cannot meaningfully impact the debt or budget deficit until entitlements are revamped…..it is simply as that, every other reduction in spending is like trying to fill the Grand Canyon one brick at a time…

Redcoat

December 7th, 2012
6:20 am

Are we already over the “cliff”?……..Get your distance from the Dems/Libs…..Let them own it,as painful as it will be……They will still blame and define conservatives, but the truth will be clear.

Redcoat

December 7th, 2012
6:25 am

Dems/Libs are maneuvering to cut entitlements and put the blame on conservatives……get clear and let them own it so that true and honest reform will eventually begin because the truth we be slapping all Americans in the face.

Redcoat

December 7th, 2012
6:32 am

Real Americans…..liberal, conservative, independents, are ready for these “games” in Washington and at the state level to end. Let’s lift the smoke screen and see who really is benefiting……then everything will become clear and make sense to all.

Mr_B

December 7th, 2012
6:50 am

We’re gonna be Greece in 10 years? Can this part be Mikinos? Awsome olives and seafood!

CC

December 7th, 2012
6:51 am

There are no ‘negotiations’. As usual, there are only demands and threats by Obama. Obama cares nothing about taxpayers, including the middle class. His concern is for the dimocrat base, and what he can redistribute to them. In the end, those who adoringly supported his election and reelection will pay the greatest price when there is no more money to be borrowed, no more money to be redistributed, the economy collapses and Greece seems a fine choice for relocation.

legionaire

December 7th, 2012
7:04 am

Obama is a community organizer who has no intention of giving a damn thing to the Republicans. Boehner is worthless in this charade. He has already pissed off Teaparty voters who singlehandedly put him in charge in 2010. It is my hope that the Republican Party goes the way of the Whigs and that average taxpaying citizens can regain control of this fiscal mess in years to come.

sigmamike

December 7th, 2012
7:16 am

Ignorant, cash strapped Ga republicans when will you finally mature and realize that PRESIDENT OBAMA won and you lost! You’re also the 47 pct that GOP and your failed Mittens are trying to destroy. You can’t even see that for your racist hate for PRESIDENT OBAMA. GOBAMA let Change Happens!!

Just a taxpayer

December 7th, 2012
7:30 am

Boehner isn’t playing with his role. He’s the leader and he’s finally acting like one. After years of capitulating to the neo-cons he has finally learned that this pattern of placation did the republicans in. Compromise is the soul of politics. Saying “no” all the time accomplishes only negative outcomes for our country.

Just a taxpayer

December 7th, 2012
7:30 am

Boehner isn’t playing with his role. He’s the leader and he’s finally acting like one. After years of capitulating to the neo-cons he has finally learned that this pattern of placation did the republicans in. Compromise is the soul of politics. Saying “no” all the time accomplishes only negative outcomes for our country.

clem

December 7th, 2012
7:36 am

need to raise tax rate on highest earners to 37.3, cap deduction loopholes for mortgage interest @$100,000 , cut spending now .8T and then do entitlement and tax reform by September. or something similar. dems won so prez gets some defernence. dems won against odds in senate, and repubs only held in house due to gerrymandering.

CC

December 7th, 2012
7:57 am

Today is Pearl Harbor Day. 2,403 people were killed, 18 U. S. ships were either sunk or damaged and over 100 aircraft were destroyed at Hickam Field on this date in 1941 in the Japanese attack on Pearl. America went to war in defense of our nation and the freedoms we cherished. The price paid by Americans in this effort was paid by ALL Americans, military and civilian.

The majority of American voters would now give away freely what generations of Americans fought in many wars to preserve.

Today is both a historic and a sad day . . .

Attack Dog

December 7th, 2012
8:00 am

If it had been left up to Boehner, the grand bargain would have been done a year ago, or at least had a debate about Simpson-Bowles. But, Cantor obstructed the first, and Ryan blocked the second.

Road Scholar

December 7th, 2012
8:09 am

” Don’t let Obama get his way with the fiscal cliff.”

“So sad that so many out there think hussin obama is good for this Country.”

“One more thing, if Obama would stay put in Washington think of all the money taxpayers would save.”

” As usual, there are only demands and threats by Obama”

Need I take asinine quotes from above to define what is wrong with our country? Folks, His name is PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA. Show some respect and manners! As to staying in DC, Eric Ericson had a good explanation of President Obama’s traveling time/costs. ALL PRESIDENTS DO IT.THE LAW STATES THAT WHEN HE LEAVES THE WHITE HOUSE HE SHALL HAVE SECURITY WITH HIM.

Why don’t YOU try “house arrest” yourself?

The one thing that is interesting is the omission of Pelosi and the Senate from the discussions. When President Obama was elected in his first term, I stated that I wish he could demote Reid and Pelosi!

Kevin

December 7th, 2012
8:32 am

The GOP needs to push away from the table. Let the chips fall where they may…..off the shoulders of those who are looking for someone elses money to bail them out. They’ll get what they deserve soon enough.

honested

December 7th, 2012
8:53 am

Mr. President,
Just relax and enjoy the holidays.
Watch boehner and the children twist in the wind.
After the inauguration, the situation will be different.
Let the teaclowns and conserrrrrrrvatives beg for reinstatement of a small fraction of their precious military excess in exchange for middle class tax cuts.
Let the rest of the argument automatically settle itself.
And by the way, don’t accept any replacement of military wast without an increase in the ‘cap’ on SS and Medicare payroll taxes.

HAHA

December 7th, 2012
9:15 am

title of this piece should be “Fiscal cliff’ negotiations shrink to Dumb and Dumber”.

A.B. Normal

December 7th, 2012
9:16 am

Pelosi’s an idiot anyway. Why on God’s green earth would anyone think her presence would be remotely helpful in reaching even a preliminary agreement?

MANGLER

December 7th, 2012
9:19 am

Mr. Galloway, did you intentionally put the word “shrink” in front of Boehner? At a quick glance, one cannot help but chuckle a little.

filtered78

December 7th, 2012
9:19 am

@sigmamike

Typical uninformed Obama voter and classic race-baiting democrat. GOP doesn’t oppose BHO because of his race, it’s because of his foolish economic and fiscal policies that defy economic logic.

If only you knew the kind of change you’ve really voted. Let’s hope the GOP can muster enough strength and opposition to keep the Marxist in Chief at bay.

Teresa

December 7th, 2012
9:21 am

Obama is not “trying to get his way.” He’s doing what he promised tax payers/voters he would do. He’s always said that he’s in favor of higher taxes for the 2%. He won the election because the majority of American agreed with him. As an American, I’d be upset if WASN’T fighting for what he promised. While the two parties need to work together, Republicans need to remember they’re working for the people and the people have spoken.

fairburn1

December 7th, 2012
9:26 am

I can’t figure out why… If Obama wants to raise taxes on 2% of the wealthiest Americans… Why isn’t 98% of Americans for this?

fairburn1

December 7th, 2012
9:29 am

I make under $50,000 a year. Live in a small house. And Republicans want to take away my mortgage interest deduction?

fairburn1

December 7th, 2012
9:31 am

Yet my good buddy. Doesn’t have a job. Doesn’t have health care. And votes Republican. What a Boner!

Get Real People

December 7th, 2012
9:41 am

Here are the facts. The President doesn’t like them, Ms. Pelosi doesn’t like them, Mr. Reid doesn’t like them. $800 billion over 10 years is $80 billion a year. That covers 7% of the President’s projected $1.2 TRILLION DEFICT projected in HIS FY2013 budget. If he gets $1.6 Trillon in new TAXES that is still only $160 billion a year of 14% of his annual deficits (assuming it doesn’t crater the economy).

Enough with the intellectual dishonesty on this topic and the mindless pandering to the worst class warfare envy among us. When is the President going to lead on SPENDING CUTS. I’ll tell you when….never. He doesn’t have the spine for it.

Get used to this discussion. It hasnt even started yet.

Atlanta native

December 7th, 2012
9:42 am

Teresa, The moochers HAVE spoken and that’s a fact….Nobody is ENTITLED to anything as an American, You have the Constitiution and Bill of Rights as your ENTITLEMENT and the rest is on the labors of your sweat and your own decisions. You are not entitled by the Bill of Rights or Consitituion for the stupid mistakes or poor money mgmt skills you employ and thus other Americans (tax payers) are not required to provide for your existence… Simple enought concept but Obama have increased people’s dependance for their existence upon a check from the Gov’t supplied by those hard workers who made the right decisions and do not deserve to have their wealth redistributed…. What is Capitalism and Democracy if Obama has his way… Answer… It will NOT EXIST…………… Socialism is their game plan….All the political angst and moral melodrama about getting “the rich” to pay “their fair share” is part of a big charade. This is not about economics, it is about politics. Taxing “the rich” will produce a drop in the bucket when compared to the staggering and unprecedented deficits of the Obama administration. No previous administration in the entire history of the nation ever finished the year with a trillion dollar deficit. The Obama administration has done so every single year. Yet political and media discussions of the financial crisis have been focused overwhelmingly on how to get more tax revenue to pay for past and future spending. The very catchwords and phrases used by the Obama administration betray how phony this all is. For example, “We are just asking the rich to pay a little more.” In England for the 2009-10 tax year, more than 16,000 people declared an annual income of more than £1 million to HM Revenue and Customs. This number fell to just 6,000 after Gordon Brown introduced the new 50p top rate of income tax shortly before the last general election. The figures show AGAIN that increasing the highest rate of tax actually led to a loss in revenues for the Government. It is believed that rich Britons moved abroad or took steps to avoid paying the new levy by reducing their taxable incomes. That will happen here and you can be sure that the bloodsuckers will still demand to live a life of entitlement, so ALL taxpayers..you are next on Obama’s hit list.

MoFaux

December 7th, 2012
9:51 am

Hey filtered78, if you have kids, I guess they must have called you “uninformed” a lot. I mean, I assume that you taught them that anyone who disagrees with you is “uninformed”? Such a mature, wise lesson.

WOW

December 7th, 2012
9:51 am

This is a good thing. Keep Cantor and McConnell away and a deal can certainly be reached. They have no interest in compromise.

MoFaux

December 7th, 2012
10:00 am

Atlanta Native: I guess you must be rich. If not, then you are one medical emergency away from losing your life’s savings. Something tells me that if you lost your job and insurance, that you would be standing in line as a “moocher” yourself. If you suffered an extremely bad medical event that kept you in the hospital for a long time, even your long-term disability insurance wouldn’t be enough to save you. Yes, I’m sure that you would just puff out your chest and declare to the world and your family that you would rather go homeless than go on disability. My 90 year old grandmother can’t afford to even buy a hearing aid because neither her insurance, nor medicare, will cover it. But, somehow, people think our health care system is the best!

Tammy

December 7th, 2012
10:03 am

All Obama has to do is sit and wait. The cards are all in his favor. If they can’t agree the issue will be resolved for them. Remember, the Dems won the election even though it disappointed many of you :)

td

December 7th, 2012
10:14 am

Teresa

December 7th, 2012
9:21 am

Obama is not “trying to get his way.” He’s doing what he promised tax payers/voters he would do. He’s always said that he’s in favor of higher taxes for the 2%. He won the election because the majority of American agreed with him. As an American, I’d be upset if WASN’T fighting for what he promised. While the two parties need to work together, Republicans need to remember they’re working for the people and the people have spoken.

The problem with your statement is that the American people sent a mixed message. The American people know that all Republicans have signed pledges to their constituents not to raise any taxes and they put them back in power in the House of Reps (Which is the only body that can create bills to change the tax laws).

td

December 7th, 2012
10:19 am

fairburn1

December 7th, 2012
9:29 am

I make under $50,000 a year. Live in a small house. And Republicans want to take away my mortgage interest deduction?

Please do a little research before you make statements that are not in the least bit factual.

Atlanta native

December 7th, 2012
10:25 am

MoFaux…You have a hopelessly simplistic view of the world that makes you utterly impervious to reason. Who’s at fault if a criminal commits a crime? The criminal or society? If someone creates a business and becomes a millionaire, is that the result of hard work and talent or luck? If you’re dirt poor, starving, and haven’t worked in 5 years, but spend all day on your I-phone, is that a personal failing or a failure of the state? Conservatives would tend to say the former in each case, while liberals would tend to say the latter. Many of us are struggling in Obama’s America. Those of us in the private sector, who risk our own money, run our own businesses, or are paid based on performance are being decimated, watching as our life’s work is melting away. Forget about paying ourselves, we’re struggling to keep our doors open, make payroll, and now, pay for Obama care. It’s bad. Not to mention companies are being hounded and harassed by the IRS like never before in history? How can anyone run a business and create jobs in an environment like this? This administration is the most anti-business of any in my lifetime, creating mountains of new regulation and relentlessly trying to raise taxes on the high-income people who invest and create jobs. An interviewed occupy wall-street demonstrator insisted corporations should not be receiving so much money unless they use it to create jobs instead of enriching themselves, suggesting there must be a nanny in the sky passing out money, never mind the misunderstanding of how jobs are made. I suppose the root problem is we have failed to teach recent generations the virtue of capitalism and how it works, and if uneducated you have to overcome the tug of your heart and use your head to come to the right conclusion. Steve Jobs was the demonstrators’ fellow liberal, but as a capitalist he was a titan, leaving huge footprints. He and his partner, Steve Wozniac, started what would become the personal computer revolution, creating in their garage the first product that would fulfill their dreams of making tons of money and in the process they changed the world. While Jobs and his partner became wealthy beyond your wildest dream, I wonder how many thousands of people had a job, or a career, not only at Apple, but in the tens of thousands of other companies that jumped into the ocean of opportunity created by these two men. And he did it all in the pursuit of more-more-more money. Call it greed if you like, but that is our capitalist system, harnessing the self-interest of each individual to motivate imagination, innovation and hard work. New businesses are started when someone has a dream, the desire to take a risk and try to make a product or deliver a service, something that works so well it becomes profitable. Most new business ventures fail, but if it succeeds and blossoms, that new business owner will have to hire people to help get the work done as he hopes to make tons of money. Take away the dream of making tons of money and there is no reason to take the risk of starting or continuing a business. Demonizing success is a losing proposition for everyone in a capitialistic society.. Unleash entrepreneurs and investors, and money will flow and the jobs will grow, but understand that jobs are a by product of a business not the goal of a

Judi N.

December 7th, 2012
10:30 am

What ever happened to taxation without representation? Do these 2 people really fully and acurately represent the people of the United States? Our forefathers would be ashamed of what we have turned in to.

Boscaverde

December 7th, 2012
10:33 am

This all could have been avoided if the Republicans weren’t so sure that Romney was going to win the White House. The Dems were much more willing to bend before the election. Now the Republicans are going to have to give more than they would have months ago.

We need a compromise that includes both tax increases and spending cuts. The Republicans had their chance to get the deal leaning in their favor…they bet it all on the election…and now it’s going to bite them in the butt. Unfortunately this means that Obama isn’t going to give in as much as he would have before the election.

That young guy

December 7th, 2012
10:45 am

C’mon people! I know that each side thinks the other side is full-a bulls***, but we need to come together to try and avert another f*****g economic crisis!!!!!!! STOP ACTING LIKE MIDDLE-SCHOOLERS

jrev

December 7th, 2012
10:52 am

@ Atlanta Native

Hate to break it to you, but most of President Obama’s ideas have been pushed by Conservatives in the past (see Obamacare, Payroll tax deductions, Free phone program started under REAGAN). He is a conservative Democrat, very akin to what you would use to call a Dixie Democrat. For you to throw words like Socialist and Communist around just shows how truly ignorant you are of the current political climate and the history of political ideology.

kuhndog

December 7th, 2012
11:07 am

Can we all just get along, the future of the now dwindeling middle class is like poker chips to polaticians. Both sides have bad ideas and not in most Americans best interests. These same polaticians do not have a dog in the fight, their pensions, pay and healthcare is a cut above anything most of us will ever see. If these guys in Washington do not get a deal done their pay and benefits should end too. I bet somthing would get done if their hide was on the line.