Grover Norquist’s reply to Saxby Chambliss: ‘His promise wasn’t to me’

“Sen. Chambliss mentions his fear of losing a primary if he breaks his word to Georgians and votes to raise their taxes.”

If only Chambliss had done something to curtail spending.

This RINO must go. He has not held up the Constitution. He does not reply to his constituents.

Without the Bush tax cuts, which were just a reduction of the Clinton tax increases, we would still have record deficits.

If we want to return to the tax rates of the ’90s. then let’s also roll back the excessive legislation and minimum wage increases we have had since then. To blame only the tax rates is so near sighted that they are in the end, blind as a bat.

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I am sad to see people calling themselves conservatives agreeing to tax increases. I would like for them to tell me where is it they ever see the Federal government spend LESS after a tax increase that did result in higher revenues? Look back at the 1920s during a great depression, oh thats right there was not a great depression, the federal government cut spending and tax rates and it resulted in the roaring twenties which saw unprecedented growth. Take a look at governments around the world that cut tax rates and spending or significantly reduce the rate of government growth and notice how they are doing. The Cato Institute have a chart that showed if we limit Federal spending growth to 2.5% annually the budget would be balanced in about 10 years. Increasing taxes always encourage increased spending, doubt me? Look at California.

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Saxby is showing his “inside the beltway” logic. the United States does not have a revenue problem. We are the highest taxed countries on the planet–especially corporate taxes.
WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM!

We have forgotten one of the monikers that should ALWAYS precede a tax increase–”CUT SPENDING FIRST”.

Saxby blames decades of overspending for our current fix. Well…….Saxby is part of the problem.

He doesn’t understand economics. He doesn’t understand the problem. And he doesn’t understand Georgians.

Time for this weak-kneed RINO to go.

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Common Sense? No, absolutely not.
Nor do you know what you’re talking about.
We DO “still have record deficits.” – Or aren’t you connected to reality? The reason for those deficits is, in large part, Bush’s giveaway of my taxes to his super rich donors and their syncophants so they could play in their Wall Street casinos. The second largest reason is: two wars that Bush started with borrowed Chinese money and then proceeded to lose by the most incompetent military strategy since Pickett’s Charge. Result: National Depression in the US lasting more than five years so far, tens of thousands on young Americans dead for no reason, and a $13 trillion debt burden dumped on the NOT rich – who continue to whine about how tough their lives are while playing with their dancing horses and hiding their money off the shores of the country they love- as long as it’s a free ride for them and them only.

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marks, there was a recession in 1920-1921. The top tax rate was raised in 1916 to 77% in order to pay for WWI. The top rate was lowered in 1926 to 25%. The Federal Reserve expanded credit, by setting below market interest rates and low reserve requirements that favored big banks, and the money supply actually increased by about 60% during the time following the recession. By the latter part of the decade “buying on margin” entered the American vocabulary as more and more Americans over-extended themselves to speculate on the soaring stock market and expanding credit. Very few expected the crash that began in 1929, and none suspected it would be so drastic or so prolonged. Sound familiar?

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LAW–You are repeating democRat talking points to the point you believe them.

Under Bush, lower tax rates provided a growing economy–even after the economic trauma of 9-11-01–an unemployment rate we could only DREAM about under Obama, opportunities for college graduates other than flipping burgers, and a debt that was bad, but containable.

Now we have a debt rate that would make Keynes blush with disbelief. opportunities and career dreams are flushed, a reduced income for 4 successive years–1st time in history,

You call this BETTER?? You must be delusional to ignore the facts smacking you in the wallet.

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Bob Loblaw
10:17 am

Love your law blog, man.

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Knowitall-
The Bush miracle was a mirage. It collapsed under the weight of it’s own BS within six years. The initial growth was due to the surplus left by Clinton (a Democrat, as you may remember) that Bush wasted like a drunken sailor within two years.
The debt is a hangover of the borrrowing from China to finance rax cuts for the parasite class- the non-productive scammers who prefer to be called investors (in China, in Russia [think Twit Romney]; in Saudi Arabia, etc.). But go ahead and confinue to parrot Republican lies. I don’t mind; it gives those of us who backed a winner a good laugh at your pretrense that we don’t have your number.

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JN&M:”We are the highest taxed countries on the planet–…”

The US is a country! Not countries. And please provide your data concerning this. I believe LAW just blew your argument out of the water.

As for the spending problem, while it is chump change, let’s discontinue Congress’s health club and health care. Let them see what we are up against. Since Ya”ll want large cuts let’s start with defense. We now spend as much as the next 10 countries in defense spending and have 50% of naval vessels in the world.

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Each state has two senators. I did not vote for either of the sitting senators; however, I am a resident and taxpayer of the state of Georgia and the US. I expect these senators to represent the interests of ALL Georgians and not just those who voted for them. Isn’t that one of the complaints that conservatives have lodged against President Obama?____that he is only interested in giving “stuff” to those who voted for him. (And that is a lie. I know of no one who voted for this president who has quit her/his job because they were promised to be taken care of.) I wish conservatives were as upset about the waste of taxpayers’ dollars to hold more than 30 votes against the ACA only to see each fail and they knew they would. But conservative house members wanted to send a message.

Yes, we need to watch spending. Spending such as TARP that was designed to stabilize the economy should not be lumped in with other spending. Had we not lost 700k jobs a month during Pres. Bush’s last months in office, that would not have been necessary. Sometimes it is necessary to stabilize a patient before the actual treatment to recovery can begin. Our president stabilized the economy. Now it’s time for the real treatment to begin__tax reform, revenue increases, infrastructure projects such as repairing bridges and highways. The voters on Nov. 6th said they wanted to give him that chance.

As our family traveled back home on yesterday, I could not help but notice the blue signs noting the Eisenhower Interstate System. Thank God these current Republicans were not in charge back then; we would all be on a dirt road in our horse and buggy trying to get home in time for work on next Monday morning.

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Get real Grover. I’m from Georgia and I support Senator Chambliss’ decision to do the right thing for America and Georgia. You’ve served the purpose of the wealthy and it has been rejected by the American people.

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Good Grief, LAW. Not everyone drinks your slop.

I guess you forgot that DOT.com bubble burst Clintoris handed Bush. Or the disemboweled intelligence service he relegated that caused 9-11 to happen causing immeasurable economic harm, not to speak of the incalculable expense and loss of lives we all endure to defend against it happening again.

So, LAW, if your logic holds on debt on Bush, what do you call the current Chinese debt–at a rate of $1.6TRILLION A YEAR—racked up under the Obama oligarchy? Chump Change?

The master you are blindly following is selling you down the slavery debt tube faster than you can imagine, yet you unconscionably back him like a starved lab rat.

So…What do your democRat talking points have to say about that?

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Knowitall- (NOT)
9/11 was NOT an economic trauma in any way. Seven buildings knocked down or damaged is a hardship for ONE owner-investor landlord- and as Republicans are fond of saying, he had insurance. Economic trauma is quite different.

I have no idea what you’re blithering about with “reduced income for four years in a row”. Incomes have been rising for the last two years thanks to the containment plans and projects executed under Obama’s economic policies and that is reflected(for example) in growth in holiday sales, including this year’s, which is on track to be up 4% YOY.

Ditto: debt rate. What is that?

Love the hyperbole though. The image of Keynes being shocked by a 1% bank rate is laughable. He might have been slightly bemused by the 1000% inflation rate in Europe 65 years ago or even the recent 25% rates in some developing countries.

BTW: My wallet is just fine, thank you. I ignore Glenn Beck’s advice, don’t give money to Republican fund raisers, and that seems to work just fine.

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MC, I believe that you need to connect with reality a bit better.

In 1998, the US budget SURPLUS was $69 billion; in 1999, the US budget SURPLUS was $126 billion; and in 2000, the US budget SURPLUS was $236 billion.

Try to lie to somebody else. I have the facts. All you have is BS..

Common Sense?
Nope, and the truth is alien too you. We did not have deficits when the US enjoyed the benefits of being led by educated Democrats and not by Republican syncophants.

Republicans always try to put across the imbecilic lie that the rich woork harded the less they’re taxed and the middle class works harder the more it’s taxed. If lowering taxes on the rich produced jobs there would never have been a recession after 30 years of Reaganomics. Unfortunately, the old fool’s gypsy fortuneteller was a scammer too.

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MC, why can’t we raise the job market now. What is the hold up. You’ve had the Bush tax cuts for 10 years now and still have not created the jobs. All the business class has done is pocket the money ( in a an overseas account) and cry. It is time to put or shut up. Create some of those jobs and lets get that revenue coming in. What are YOU waiting for, some Government guarantee?

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You people would all prefer Strom Thurmond and a new Confederacy. Go ahead and secede; you were never ever real Americans anyway. We’ll take all non-whites and our military resources, build a 50ft wall along the Mason-Dixon line then nuke you. The world will be a better place.

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“n 1998, the US budget SURPLUS was $69 billion; in 1999, the US budget SURPLUS was $126 billion; and in 2000, the US budget SURPLUS was $236 billion.”

There was never a surplus. The total budget deficit did not decline in the years you stated. This is another democratic myth.

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Meanwhile a vast majority of the old, fat, white vocal wingnuts dodder out to their mailboxes monthly to collect their gubbimint checks… of course they suffer from TGCDC (That Gubbimint Check Don’t Count)….

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If Grover wasn’t a party to the promise, why does he feel a need to respond?

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bush was an idiot, gave tax breaks to folks who bought gas guzzlers.

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I am a republican who believes that there should be room in the GOP’s big tent for many viewpoints. I don’t vote on social issues and RINO is not an insult in my book. I will vote for a conservative republican or socially liberal republican equally, so long as the candidate in question is fiscally responsible. That is where I believe a politician’s duty rests. I will not vote for a fiscally liberal republican. Grover Norquist is the best kind of taxpayer advocate. He keeps his social viewpoints to himself and limits his advocacy to helping individuals and families keep more of their paycheck. If Senator Chambliss wants to attack someone, it should be Barack Obama. If Senator Chambliss wants to attack something, it should be Washington, D.C.’s spending. If Senator Chambliss can’t get this right, he fully deserves to be nicknamed “Senator Shambles” and to be voted out of office.

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*misled. And I’ll take the opportunity of this correction to say that Grover is misleading you.

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How many times has Grover lobbied the Georgia Legislature? and He isn’t registered as a lobbyist — Book ‘em Dano!

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Our members of Congress owe nothing to Grover Norquist and his ilk. They are responsible to the citizens of our country, not the equivalent of a domestic terrorist who seeks to have the country run HIS way and not the way that is actually best. I strongly support Senator Chambliss and his stance as the actions of an adult and not a spoiled brat. As a life-long Democrat I am thrilled to call him my Senator and will continue to support his actions which recognize we are a country with many solutions to our problems and everyone can either be part of the solution or part of the problem. Grover, you are part of the problem.l

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A true conservative, Grover Norquist is not. Republicans have degenerated into a party of religious fanatics and “no tax at any cost” disciples. The problem a true conservative must face is CUTTING SPENDING. neither Democrats nor Republicans want to cut spending. Hence, the debacle of sequestration doing it for them. I’m not so sure sequestration is such a bad idea. The fact is that virtually every department of government needs drastic cuts, including Defense. A true conservative would go down a list a cross out with red ink every non-productive, costly government program, including Medicare and war expenses without catering to the special interests. The issue of raising taxes is moot if spending is cut FIRST. The Republican Party has to be reformed to understand this novel concept.

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If Saxby votes to raise taxes without a deal that really cuts entitlement spending at least on a 10 to 1 basis then he will have opposition in the primary and will probably lose.

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Stop whining, Republicans! You lost the election and would have lost the House if not for gerrymandered districts in GOP-controlled states. Yes, MItt Moneybags Romney, you will have to pay higher taxes. You might have to sell one of your four mansions to pay your taxes. Wall Street makes more money under Democrats, so the cushion will be soft.

If the Clinton tax rates were still in place, the country would be running a surplus. Republicans destroyed the economy under Bush and fought two unnecessary wars. The Medicare drug benefit was written by drug company lobbyists and was not paid in the budget. The GOP is no longer a serious political party nationally.

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Joseph Wilson

November 24th, 2012
3:17 pm

“If the Clinton tax rates were still in place, the country would be running a surplus”

Just proves how you libs do not understand basic math. You can tax the evil top 10% at 100% and still not balance the budget, much less reduce any debt. Spending is the problem and until real cuts are made then I am totally opposed to raising one cent in taxes.

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“You can tax the evil top 10% at 100% and still not balance the budget, much less reduce any debt.”

TD, assuming that’s true, and I assume you want the top ten percent to stay where they are in the pile, and knowing that we have trillions in debt, who are the people you want to suffer? Where are the cuts and what are the results?

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Um; “9/11 was NOT an economic trauma in any way” — what the hell are you talking about? It was a huge bump in the economy, it quite possibly was the start of the financial collapse; although I don’t subscribe to ‘too big to fail’. Fail damn it, and don’t be as stupid to do it twice!

“In 1998, the US budget SURPLUS was $69 billion; in 1999, the US budget SURPLUS was $126 billion; and in 2000, the US budget SURPLUS was $236 billion” — not entirely factual. These are fictitious numbers, as they counted Social Security Taxes in the general fund. Had these been TRUE surpluses and had those SSI* taxes truly been saved and invested, we might not be facing trillions of dollars in unfunded SSI* debt today and tomorrow. PLUS! During this time would have been an excellent time to start talking and acting on future benefits of SSI* . . . Not the “I*” it was always intended and originally called INSURANCE. Not a benefit, not a retirement. Government greed and buying of voters and special interest has long been a failure in government. They saw money sitting there to spend, when it was gone, then they raised the taxing rate of SSI in order to JUSTIFY their taxing and spending, promising RETIREMENT to you ’someday’ in the future we’ll pay that.

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“Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?” (Psalms 2)

Because after November 6, the Sons of the Republican Party have no flag to fly and only crow to eat.

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Dave

November 24th, 2012
3:35 pm

Before I even think of raising taxes then real cuts must be made. You can either cut benefits or you can cut the size and scope of government.

We can not continue to feed and provide medical coverage to able bodied people that should work which is about 20 to 25% of the population. We can not continue to pay Federal government employees more then their counterparts make in the private sector.

Cut the number of Federal government workers by 30 to 50% and then cut in half the number of people on entitlement programs then we can talk about raising taxes.

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Okay, Feds (that does mean the military, right, or are you making exceptions already?) down the tubes everyone else getting the dreaded entitlements even worse, doesn’t balance the budget, much less reduce the deficit. Next?

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It’s a bunch of crap that Saxby Chambliss made his promise to the voters. Like a pledge signers he signed out of fear that Grover would use his considerable financial resourses to defeat him. Now he has come to the realization that the only oath he really took was to “protect and defend the contitution of the United States. Congratulations Senator Chambliss for your honesty.

Visit http://www.groverno.com and add your name to encourage others to break away from Grover and restore sanity to America.

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td – I wouldn’t sneeze at an additional $80 billion. It’s more than we spend on food stamps($75 billion).

http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/25/news/economy/food-stamps-ads/index.htm

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Jim F. – I’m pretty sure that even the Dems want all the tax cuts to expire. It would be a dumb thing to do while trying to recover from a recession. Of course, if both parties decide let it happen, then that’s what we’ll have, by law, until they work something out. BTw, cutting spending will hurt the economy too. That gov. spending, whether it’s going to Haliburton or to some poor family, goes into the general spending by the public. I’m not saying we can continue to go deeper in debt, but the government spending was a reason the recession wasn’t worse.

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Jim Frankland, Who said I want to reverse it? But, handouts and Socialism? Please, you take shots and then worry that the economy won’t be turned around before there are riots in the streets. Yet you offer no more than that the “taxed” are weary of their taxation. Damned poor people, I don’t want to help and they’re going to riot because they’re starving!

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Cherokee

November 24th, 2012
4:47 pm

Here is two areas you could cut at least 25% out of the budget (excluding Medicare) and save about $500 billion per year. You could then cut about another $200 billion from doing away with the Federal DOE:

” Medicare, Medicaid, and CHIP: Three health insurance programs – Medicare, Medicaid, and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) – together accounted for 21 percent of the budget in 2011, or $769 billion. Nearly two-thirds of this amount, or $486 billion, went to Medicare, which provides health coverage to around 48 million people who are over the age of 65 or have disabilities. The remainder of this category funds Medicaid and CHIP, which in a typical month in 2011 provided health care or long-term care to about 60 million low-income children, parents, elderly people, and people with disabilities. Both Medicaid and CHIP require matching payments from the states.

Two other categories together account for another fifth of federal spending:

Safety net programs: About 13 percent of the federal budget in 2011, or $466 billion, went to support programs that provide aid (other than health insurance or Social Security benefits) to individuals and families facing hardship. Spending on safety net programs declined in both nominal and real terms between 2010 and 2011 as the economy continued to improve and initiatives funded by the 2009 Recovery Act began to expire.

These programs include: the refundable portion of the earned-income and child tax credits, which assist low- and moderate-income working families through the tax code; programs that provide cash payments to eligible individuals or households, including Supplemental Security Income for the elderly or disabled poor and unemployment insurance; various forms of in-kind assistance for low-income families and individuals, including food stamps, school meals, low-income housing assistance, child-care assistance, and assistance in meeting home energy bills; and various other programs such as those that aid abused and neglected children.”

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“Should federal workers get a raise? With salaries and benefits paid to the government’s civilian workers totaling $271 billion in 2011″

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-truth-about-federal-salary-numbers/2012/11/18/08acd084-293e-11e2-bab2-eda299503684_story.html

Cut this workforce down by at least 1/3 and you can save another $80 to $100 billion per year.

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Dave, you bring up a good point; everyone here is stuck in their idealism (party line or brainwash); and in government nobody wants to stick their neck out and come up with a plan or idea; although that is exactly why we elected these idiots — DO THEIR JOBS! But both sides are NO TAX and NO CUTS; but NO SOLUTIONS either. That is why in my first post, I suggested the people of Georgia, “look at his decisions very closely”. If he’s just jumping party lines to get votes in two years; the hell with him! If he’s willing to jump lines saying, I’m open to taxes if you cut spending 3 to 1; 4 to 1; or some other number; maybe there is merit there. But raising taxes alone isn’t “American”. What would *I* cut in spending? 1.) Unemployment benefits back to original terms. You can’t continue unemployment for YEARS. Reality check – get a job. 2.) Welfare. Consider $600/mo housing allowance, $200/mo adult and $100/mo per child. So a mother and two kids costs $12,000 a year; why is the government paying out $50,000 a year? There is way too much overhead in government workers and red tape; we need a simpler system. We need a cheaper system. We also need a system with incentives to get people OFF the system. It is actually SHAMEFUL and IRRESPONSIBLE to have a system which keeps (FORCES) people to stay on it. I’ve heard conversations with those on section eight; “oh be sure your income doesn’t go beyond $12,000 a year or you’ll loose your benefits” REALLY?! Is that what we all strive for?! How about a system that actually gives bonuses if you increase your income, then expiration times on benefits; say 18 months beyond the income cut off limits. By then those people should be EARNING enough money to be substantially back on their feet. Enough so they wouldn’t want to take a CUT to go back on the system, unless bad times forced them back there. Say, $100/mo bonus for 18/mo if you DO earn more than $12,000; $250/mo if you earn $15,000. What the hell, a $2,500 bonus check if you get off the system and sustain yourself for the next 12 months. What about healthcare? We’ve now seen the finalized insurance plans for 2014. Some of these cheap policies will require the insured to cover up to 40% of their costs out of pocket. Sure these plans will have cheap premiums and satisfy the health insurance requirement. BUT HOW ON EARTH does this new system help anyone? Are these 50,000 un-insured (now insured) now going to come up with $20,000 to cover their $50,000 heart attack bill? There’s no malpractice caps or other cost cutting in this grand healthcare law. There are actually death panels, although they don’t actually exist, cause the aren’t called “DEATH” panels. There is so much that could be done, that isn’t. Finally, Banderson; “That gov. spending, . . . goes into the general spending by the public” NOT REALLY. The difference between you spending $50 into the economy and being taxed $50 to be put back into the economy is choice and freedom. YOU decide if it will be Walmart or your neighborhood grocery. With government you’ve got approved lobbied businesses, they decide who fails and succeeds, they decide if you live or die, they decide. But when you add inefficiency as government is good at; they tax you $50, spend $100 for the same thing; only today it isn’t China who pitches in the other $50, Mr. Bernanke is now PRINTING it, so your NEXT $50 you spend is worth 2% less every year because he’s diluting (by printing more dollars) your buying power. That equals a 2% TAX that is now hidden. That’s also 2% for 2013; but will be 5% by 2020 due to increased debt.

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Okay, td first. Why not? Most societies have been doing that for the past few thousand years. People that are dying of curable disease and starving tend to have an unpleasant disposition towards the people doing their best to see that they don’t have health care and food. See for example Arab Spring,

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If they put tax increases on the table, we’ll get the tax increases immediately but the spending cuts will be some convoluted cuts that occur over years…. i.e. end up get wiped out by additional spending increases voted on during those years.

What we need to do is put hard wired controls in that don’t allow the deficits/debt to get out of control. That doesn’t mean we wouldn’t allow for short term deficits for certain emergency circumstances but it would require that the cost be dealt with in a reasonable time frame. We’re kicking the can down the road to disaster because we can now.

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How many votes did Grover get in the last election?

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Norquist is 100% correct. If Chambliss is intent on governing as a Democrat, he should switch parties and run as such. We should not have to expend effort keeping Chambliss on the reservation. Just switch parties and the liberal elites can laud him for his “integrity” and “putting his country above party” when neither would be the case. At his age, if he doesn’t grasp rudimentary economics, then he never will.

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td stick to something you know about….last election proved you quite wrong. your side lost on prez, senate, and house if you counted total votes not gerrymandered districts. if dems put forth some real cuts in neighborhood of 1 t to go with tax hikes for rich than a deal should be struck. then move on to entitlement, tax and health care cost reform.

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QUOTE:
“Common Sense

November 24th, 2012
12:56 pm

“n 1998, the US budget SURPLUS was $69 billion; in 1999, the US budget SURPLUS was $126 billion; and in 2000, the US budget SURPLUS was $236 billion.”

There was never a surplus. The total budget deficit did not decline in the years you stated. This is another democratic myth.”

Response.
The person who wrote that is a pathetic liar. The facts can be found by anybody. The public debt declined under Clinton from approximately 1995 through 2001 – but don’t let NO SENSE pretend that Bush did anything but take credit for Clinton’s leadership.
He or she can cry, whine, plead, snivel, P&M, … but a lie is a lie.- And this person is a liar.

This is what is wrong with conservatives. They are pathological liars who are incapable of facing reality.

And stupid liars. Caught in a lie about the budget SURPLUS, he tries the old “change the topic” gambit – pretend that “SURPLUS” is the same as “deficit”. If he believes that (doubtful) he’s stupid as well as a liar.

Which is it NONSENSE? Are you a liar or a fool?

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It’s about time some politician somewhere stood up to Goober Norquist. No one in the General Assembly seems to be man enough to.

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Clem @ 5:49pm: “Stop whining, Republicans! You lost the election and would have lost the House if not for gerrymandered districts in GOP-controlled states” Joseph @ 3:17pm “Stop whining, Republicans! You lost the election and would have lost the House if not for gerrymandered districts in GOP-controlled states”
IDIOT — TROLL — Go spread your crap somewhere else, we are tired of hearing your bull — say something productive — get a life — looser.

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Though Jim, it would seem that your last diatribe at 6:22 would make it doubtful that we could ever be simpatico. I’m off to dinner.

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Chamblis is a joke. The problem is there are no real cuts, but only “revenues” – for the love of humanity call it taxes you crooked politicos. How much more of my life should I give up so Obama and company can hand out goodies. I’m not a millionaire technically, but definitely come in under Obama’s term – households with $250k a year. Last year my family paid over $100k in income taxes. Why do Obama, libs and Saxby believe that someone who makes under $250k has more value and a right to liberty and freedom to me and others at my level? Atlas will shrug and it won’t be pretty…..

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I love it that all you libs think that Grover forced the Conservatives to sign some type of oath and now think Grover runs the Republican party. Nothing is farther from the truth.

We (Conservatives in America) supported Grover’s idea to put Republican candidates on the record as to what they would do as far as taxes were concerned. The politicians did not make a pledge to Grover but made a pledge to the voters that put them in office not to raise taxes. We (Conservatives in America) hold them to that pledge. If they want to go back on their pledge then they do not have to answer to Grover but instead have to answer to the Conservatives in their district or state.

If a Republican wants to raise taxes then they are really a Democrat and should run as one because we do not want them representing us.

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The Taxpayer Protection Pledge HAS NO USE BY DATE.

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I will NOT vote for Chambliss if he supports taking more of my hard-earned tax dollars to waste.
The PROBLEM is not lack of revenue.
The PROBLEM is out of control wasteful spending!
Below are listed just a FEW of the examples of how the crooks in the U.S. government are stealing TRILLIONS of dollars from hard working U.S. taxpayers:

41 Obama White House Aides Owe $831,000 in Back Taxes.
At the EPA 413 people owe more than $19 MILLION in back taxes!
At the FDIC, 185 employees owe more than $3 MILLION.
Five people at the U.S. Tax Court owe $62,508.
Why are you not trying to retrieve this money????

Outrageous Congressional benefits: free health care, outrageous retirement packages, 67 paid holidays , 3 weeks paid vacation , unlimited paid sick days,emergency rooms for YOUR general health care at just one hospital cost the tax payers over 25 MILLION a year!!!

Aid to Haiti, Chile, Turkey, Pakistan, Muslims in middle East countries… BILLIONS of hard earned tax payer DOLLARS!!!

Obama Administration Spent $180,000 on “Official Portraits” This Year.

Despite $15.9 BILLION Loss, U.S. Postal Service Execs See Boost in Pay. Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe earned a base salary of $276,840, but even without a bonus or incentive payout, his overall compensation came to $512,093, compared with $384,229 in 2011, according to regulatory filings. Two other executives — Ellis Burgoyne, chief information officer, and Mary Anne Gibbons, general counsel — also received hefty increases in their retirement plans.

White House Announces $6 BILLION to Promote Clean Energy — IN ASIA.

A snake and squirrel study Federal grant $390,000 in 2010 in California.

$5.6 MILLION of US taxpayers dollars in 2011 to Preserve Cultural Landmarks – in Other Countries.

Welfare Cost $746 BILLION Last Year – More Than Social Security or Basic Defense.

New York and Massachusetts are administering food stamps to 2,000 dead people.

Federal Judge Orders Sex-Change Operation for Convicted Murderer, to Be Paid for by Taxpayers.

$4 BILLION in 4 Years: Federal Subsidies to Chicago Schools.

White House Requests Over Half BILLION Dollars to Subsidize Housing for drug addicts.

Hillary Clinton joins Elton John as she vows to beat AIDS with $150 MILLION spending spree.

Expedition to find Amelia Earhart’s crashed plane returns empty handed after $2.2 MILLION voyage.

White House announces $1 BILLION ‘master teacher’ program.

The U.S. government offers free medical and education benefits to illegal aliens, all at the cost to U.S. taxpayers. Now, we can add food stamps to the list of free benefits they will be receiving.

Obama Calls for $12.7 TRILLION in New Welfare Spending.

8,733,461: Workers on Federal ‘Disability’ Exceed Population of New York City.

$20 MILLION to help clean energy projects in Africa get started.

Obama gives Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood $1.5 BILLION.

$40 MILLION to Create 3 “Green” Jobs.

$9 BILLION in ‘Stimulus’ Made 910 Final Jobs — $9.8 MILLION Per Job.

Medicaid’s personal care services program budget has ballooned to more than $12 BILLION a year, just to send what amounts to a nanny to provide supportive ‘nonmedical services’ like meal preparation, housework, help with bathing and getting dressed, transportation and even money management.

Congress and the President need to get serious about wasteful spending before there is NO more US tax payer to tax.

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td- it is your kind that has created the illusion in your own mind that you have the corner on rational thinking and it has given illegitimate birth to the infamous tea party. You care not about someone’s ability to have original thoughts or is capable of analysis, all you care about is signing some pledge that on it’s face is completely irrational that someone who is running for office can magically see into the future and pledge not to do something regardless of circumstances. You care not about the integrity and ability of a candidate, you just support whomever will sign a statement. Just in Georgia alone the TP has supported individuals with arrest records, poor financial histories of their own, no qualifications for a sought position other than some allegiance to the closed mind that is part of the characteristics of a TP member. Your golden boy Tom Graves in absolving himself of bank debt simply indicated that the bank should have known he couldn’t pay the debt back when they made him the loan. Forget about the promise to pay called a note. The Republican Party has to move to the center, and can do so without sacrificing principles, and get rid of the extremes that have made their way under the tent under false pretenses that they cared about this country. Let’s hope that given the defeat we experienced by picking Paul Ryan as VP wakes up the Republican Party and moves to correct or it will be another 8 years after this term of Democratic residence in the White House.

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I think Grover’s had one in him.

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Righting Troll, you don’t seem to have many ideas! What’s you plan? Bashing others who have the facts on their side because you don’t have a legitimate argument?

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You have, like, a source for all that stuff, MASR? And I mean a legitimate source, not Breitbart or Beck’s rags…

Didn’t think so….

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Julie

November 24th, 2012
7:31 pm

“Grover isn’t king of the United States. He’s nothing more than a wanna be tyrant.”

Another idiot comment by a socialist. There is nothing Grover can do to any politician that breaks the pledge except to remind the people that put them in office.

Saxby is doing his job, a job he was fairly elected to do by his constituents.

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Grover has become one of the ugly faces of the Repluicans although he now talks about the need for diversity. Yeh, right Grover. As long as people like him are associated the the Repulicans they will never be elected President. The Bible belt is another story But hang in there TD.

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Cherokee, So how is it I can google three of MASR’s facts (picked at random) and it comes back with all sorts of hits. Some blogs, some like CBS News. (Is that off your ‘list’ too?) Yet, you pointedly add, “Didn’t think so….”. You have enough computer knowledge to post but not google? Or if you just keep shouting “liar” long enough the facts will vanish? Now if you with to argue the point, and point out how some issue or another isn’t the fault of, Obama? I can’t tell if that’s your side, you didn’t say. I suppose eventually time will tell, at the end of these 4 years O will have NOBODY but HIMSELF (believe it or not) to blame for the destruction of the economy, the destruction of what was left of the stability in the Middle East, or anything else that happens while he was out playing golf.

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Michael

November 24th, 2012
7:55 pm

It is you are the one that needs to keep on believing my friend. There are 30 states that have Republican governors that signed Grover’s pledge, 20 state legislatures totally controlled by Republicans that signed Grover’s pledge and an additional 6 states where at least one chamber that is controlled by Republicans that signed the pledge.

There will be 7 Democratic Senators up for re election in 2014 in states that Romney won and 0 Republicans up for re election in states that was won by Obama. The US house has been Gerrymandered by Republicans in such a way that Republicans will control the house for the next 10 years (as long as they do not break the pledge they made to conservative voters).

BTW: Even in states that Obama won like Ohio, VA and Florida, the Republican HOR’s members did not lose re election.

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I heard Grover Norquist say that he began thinking about this tax pledge idea when he was 12 or 13 years old.

Now, listen to me: that ain’t right. That flat out ain’t normal!

A 12 or 13 year old boy should be thinking about ball and girls and hunting and fishing — not a damn tax pledge!

That ol’ boy ain’t right and he as much as admitted it by saying he was thinking about this tax pledge idea when he was a 12 or 13 year old kid.

I wonder if he still lives in his mama’s basement?

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I’m good… My economy has done nothing but improve through all of this, I’m personally doing better today than I ever have. Focusing on the market on a day by day basis does nothing in terms of showing you the big picture… Empty lots are now being developed everywhere you look, malls are PACKED, new buildings going up everywhere… Open your eyes and turn off Faux news… Obama didn’t win… Mittens snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with the help of extremists like Grover… We should be celebrating the victory of pres-elect Huntsman right now, but you let the lies and extremists create your augmented reality for you, rather than make your own truthful assessments.

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RightWingTroll. . . .damn if you ain’t been reading my mind. I remember four or five weeks after Obama took office, the stock market was at 6400 and it’s over 13, 000 now.

Turning a cruise ship take time and turning around an economy that was the worst since the Great Depression also takes time, but we’re on the right path if the Vandals in the House of Representatives don’t set us back.

I’m convinced those ol’ boys had just as soon drive the ship of state aground as compromise on any issue.

But the difference is, the American people are wise to their obstructionists ways and will continue to kick their butts out of office if they don’t get with the program.

And, so it goes. . . . .

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Always agree to the spending cuts first. Everytime the Democrats say they’ll cut spending for tax increases, the taxes always come first and the cuts never happen. Why do you think not one of the Republican candidates agreed to even a 10 to 1deal in the debates? The democrats always lie.

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Are those rascally Dems that good that they could snooker the GOP that completely?…really?

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So, Jim, you googled three of his ‘points’ and they came back with hits?

Wow.

I stand corrected – I didn’t know how that worked.

Geeze, have you ever actually used the internet before? You can google any of the wingnut noise machine poutrages and find tons of hits ’cause you all talk to yourselves over and over again. Yeah, THAT’S gonna convince me….

Whoop de doo….

Sorry, my friend, but if someone wants to make a credible point then they need to provide supporting links – otherwise it’s just noise.

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Norquist is becoming as irrelevant as the clown in the sideshow. Chambliss is potentially learning statesmanship.

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Grover Norquest has it half right. We do spend to much. Too much the war in Afghanistan and the one we just ended in Iraq, too much on a bloated $750 billion dollar a year defense budget, too much in aide to countries like Israel , Egypt and Pakistan, too much on the war on drugs, too much on farm subsidies, too much on crop insurance for farmers etc.

But he also misses the other point. Every decade We keep reducing taxes on everyone…especially the very wealthy. That makes it impossible to pay off the debt…even if we wanted to.

Add to that, Hurricane Wendy was just proof that people don’t really want LESS government. When things go wrong, as they often do, people want MORE government

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We can’t fight wars without raising taxes. bush got us into this mess by starting two wars, fighting them incompetently and lowering taxes…

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Cherokee–no need to google. Most of those points have even been in the network news within the last 6 months.

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I like the 2.5 percent spending reduction in federal spending (Waste) first ! Then if that doesn’t work, we’ll talk about a little bigger reduction in federal spending (Waste) ! This nation still belongs to the citizens, and the government should start recognizing that fact ! Stop wasting our money, and we won’t need a tax increase ! Cancel the blank checks ! Put senators and congressmen under the same tax, medical and retirement programs that we have to live with, and then we’ll consider listening to what you have to say…..If they can’t live with that in Washington, then they can come home and get a real job…..

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Shame on Saxby-

Do believe I was addressing the GOP’s 17 litmus tests for membership, not one Senator’s career or Washington’s failings. The point is political power, and how to gain it.
Excluding voters-or one two term Senator- because of disagreement on 1 of 17 points of comparison is not a pathway to power. As a diverse America and election outcomes are trying to tell you.

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Hey you gotta love these t-party fanatics, they single handedly gave the election to the reasonable people of this country. It’s truly a comic gift when your enemy is their own worst enemy, enjoy.

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Saxby is a lying hypocrite just like all politicians in Washington. He will do anything and say anything to get through the next election. If he really cared about “his country” he would never have voted for all these meaningless wars and spending causing the deficit. Do you see him rejecting any of the undeserved printed and borrowed federal dollars for UGA and other state government agencies in Georgia?
Let the pain begin by not altering the present course so we can finallly get some sanity in the federal spending waste machine. America is on a course of self destruction aided and abetted by corrupt Saxby and all the rest. There is very little discretionary spending now.
By the way one Michael Burry, MD predicted the economic collapse of 2008 when no one else in government did. Listen to his 2012 commencement address to the 2012 economics class at UCLA.
Google his name Michael Burry and you will easily bring it up. Also read his editorial in the NYTimes
April 4, 2010 “I Saw the Crisis Coming. Why Didn’t the Fed?” Burry put his money where his mouth was. Saxby, Mr. B and all the others are lying hot air lunatics intent on destroying Amerika.

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Regardless of whether a person agrees with Grover Norquist or not, he is not elected, he leads a special interest group. He’s not the king of the United States, he’s a tyrant with an opinion.

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When did Obama start the phone giveaway? During Ronnie Rayguns term? Admit it Ed, you knew that didn’t you.

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norquist is right, chambliss is wrong—once upon a time before chambliss converted to the democrat party he recognized that it is the spending in washington d.c. that is the problem not the revenue. to keep raising revenue over and over and not cutting spending has gotten us to this point. it is time to dramatically reduce the size of govt. in washington d.c. –removing saxby will be a good start.

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“The Rino must Go!” That will be saxby’s bumper sticker in 2014.

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Here a novel idea…before raising taxes on the 53% that actually pay income taxes why not consider taxing the 47% that pay absolutely ZERO income taxes.

Before the left wing bed wetting Democrats start screaming …. remember the 47% is NOT made up entirely of retirees and the disabled.

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Sigh, Tony you do realize that the very poorest workers in the US pay no or minimial income taxes because of policies adopted by Ronald Reagan and Bush II, right?

Frankly, they, and you and me too, for that matter, already pay a much higher portion of their income in taxes – when you include all taxes – than the Romneys and Boortzs of the world.

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putting some things in perspective regarding the rich:

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/only-36-1-are-entrepreneurs-and-other

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Marks, Reagan raised taxes 3 times. Are you calling hima liberal? I wish the “internets” we’re not anonymous so idiots like “marks” either wouldn’t say such stupid things or would have consequences for it. “I can’t believe a conservative would raise taxes” is about as ignorant as you can get. True conservatives, like Reagan, refuse to ignore the facts.

Tax rates are the lowest they have ever been! How can the lowest tax rates EVER not be low enough? The most prosperous times in our nation’s history all had higher tax rates. We’ve had these tax rates for 12 years and everyone but the top percent are worse off. I’m all for lower taxes but our rates so favor the wealthy that they invest less and trickle down isnt even a drip.

Reagan raised taxes and for half of the republicans he wasn’t conservative enough. What a bunch of idiots half our party is.

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Don’t fret cc…

Every single prognostication, pontification, prediction, and assertion you and your ilKKKs have made for the last 4 years has been either wrong-headed or just plain wrong… you little list of hate follows suit… save your last sentence.

Morons like you voted for W… twice… and the country survived… you’ll survive the re-election of the man chosen to clean up the flaming bag of poo you and yours left us all… And I’m not too concerned about brown skinned men yelling allah akbar coming to our shores, or iranian mushroom clouds, or whatever boogey men make you wet your pants and keep you hiding under your bed at night. Because yours is a hateful, augmented reality grounded on racist and bitter rantings of “entertainers”, turn off the Faux news and step outside. It’s cold and the sun is shining, there’s signs of economic life all around you (outside your ignorant little bubble of faux doom, and despair) and with things looking this up in spite of the stonewall built by you and your elected wingnuts and teatards, there’s no reason to believe it’s not going to get better. Just imagine how good it could be if the treasonous wingnuts and teatards started trying to be part of the solution instead of bullying their way into being the only solution…

You should probably go challenge somebody to a duel…

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“After all, I don’t know anything.”

No truer words spoken.

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Guess what Zeke, without “socialist spending” states like GA, AL, SC, MS, and other poor southern states would cease to exist. Just to survive, these states receive massives amounts of money from the federal government. The wealthy states actuallly support the south. Would you prefer to go it alone? Good luck with that.

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Bob Loblaw: Do me a favor if you are really a conservative: stop pimping the rape issue.

I worked with political Democrats for many years. There is one thing you need to know about Democrats and crime: they are more stimulated by emptying the prisons to sop their fantasy world of defense bar heroism than making streets safer for real women. Only politically useful rapists mattered for punishment — and frat brothers regardless of guilt. Real criminals were to be pitied — then released.

The left-wing rape exploiters (I do not count service providers here) blew endless VAWA money on themselves, on billboards denouncing all men, and on whinging about so-called hate crime laws while helping the gay lobby hide the fact that women don’t get counted as victims under the sleazy hate crimes regime. They politicized rape activism in ugly ways to legitimate and perpetuate their funding lines. Then, when we had a bill in the legislature to actually do something about real crime, they’d be off at the college campuses screaming at freshmen boys instead of testifying.

So don’t talk to me about conservatives and rape. They were the reliable votes.

Call me unimaginative, but I’d rather belong to the party that has one (I don’t count Mourdock) buffoon making dumb statements about rape than the Party that gets off on getting real rapists out of prison and fights ever effort to control violent offenders, tooth and nail, while accusing innocent men of being potential sexual predators. If you want to whine about something, whine at them. If such things really matter to you beyond political tattle, that is.

And since you didn’t read the fine print, Akin wasn’t anyone’s first choice in his primary — except the leftists in Missouri who banded together to push him into the race thanks to their primary system. It’s not like nominating Cynthia McKinney five times on purpose. Put down the juice box before engaging your mouth next time. Read more widely. It clarifies the issues.

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I disagree with all those who consider Saxby Chambliss as a “traitor.” He, in my book, has risen significantly over the past few years as a true statesman. Maybe he does not represent you, but in this case he has taken the high road and is doing what is right for the nation. Not one person who holds himself above everyone. Not as a die hard Republican who ignores reality. Saxby Chambliss deserves much credit for his courage to step up and actually try to solve this problem of the country.

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You Reblicans are the best friends we ever had. You let every terrorist supporter fool you every time. You guys keep that anti Muslim in the White Houserhetoric and that Muslim Brotherhood taking over the State Department mantra up. Kind like my people fooling everyone and saying Hamas wants peace. Our boy Grover is doing a fanatastic job fooling everyone that his little business makes money off some stupid tax pledge You guys swallow this BS and bow down to our boy like he is Allah. Don’t let the Democrats get away with garbage like this story about our boy Grover:

“”"”"”Not only was Mr. Norquist entangled with the criminal dealings of Jack Abramoff, but documentation shows that he has deep ties to supporters of Hamas and other terrorist organizations that are sworn enemies of the United States and our ally Israel.

According to Senate lobbying disclosure records of his now defunct lobbying firm, Janus-Merritt Strategies, around the years 2000 and 2001 Mr. Norquist’s firm represented Abdurahman Alamoudi, who was convicted two years later for his role in a terrorist plot and who is presently serving a 23-year sentence in federal prison.

Court documents and a October 15, 2004, Department of Justice press release reveal that Alamoudi, the president of the American Muslim Council, was arrested at Dulles Airport in September 2003 upon returning to the U.S after participating in a Libyan plot to assassinate the Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah. “Alamoudi participated in recruiting participants for this plot by introducing the Libyans to two Saudi dissidents in London and facilitating the transfer of hundreds of thousands of dollars of cash from the Libyans to those dissidents to finance the plot,” the release said.

According to the DOJ press release, Alamoudi, a naturalized citizen, pled guilty to three federal offenses:

· One count of violating the International Emergency Powers Act;

· One count of false statements made in his application for naturalization;

· A tax offense involving a long-term scheme to conceal from the IRS his financial transactions with Libya and his foreign bank accounts and to omit material information from the tax returns filed by his charities.

It is important to point out that Alamoudi’s ties to terrorist groups were no secret prior to his arrest.

Alamoudi spoke at an October 2000 rally in front of the White House in support of Hamas and Hezbollah during the period he was represented by Norquist’s firm, according to Senate lobbying disclosure records.. The “Rally Against Israeli Aggression” was sponsored by Norquist’s Islamic Free Market Institute, according to a September 2000 “Islamic Institute Friday Brief.” The Islamic Free Market Institute was created by Grover Norquist and operated out of his Americans for Tax Reform office in Washington, thanks to sizable start-up contributions from Alamoudi, according to a March 11, 2003, article in the St. Petersburg Times by Mary Jacoby.”"”"”"”"”"

http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2011/10/11/congressman-grover-norquists-terrorist-relationships-should-give-people-pause/
You Republicans are truly our best friends. It is that Black SOB in the White House we need to be concerned about between those drones killing Al Quaida terrorists and that Iron Dome system, it is not as much fun as it used to be to be a terrorist. Keep your concentration on taxes not terrorism,

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People like cc are what is wrong with the GOP. He probably thinks Grover is an elected official or party chairman. No clue where Grover makes his money. Probably cc sends him campaign contributions along with Rush.

Best line from “cc”
“”"When the wolf is at the door (and he’s coming, yelling ‘Allah Akbar’) we’re going to find out that there is no one out there to come to our rescue. “”"”"”"”"”

Yeah if we only had W and his wench Condi to protect us. They did such a fine job making us secure before 9-11. When the towers were coming down , W read “My Pet Goat” That took care of that Allah Akbar nonsense didn’t it. Oh yeah cc is right turning Gaza over to Hamas and forcing Israel to unilaterally abandon Gaza was a brilliant move by W and Condi wasn’t it cc?

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Cut the crazy spending.
Cut the crazy spending.
Cut the crazy spending.

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Someone please tell me what law the federal government has passed in the past 20 years that actually helped the people of America? The giveaway programs have increased in cost exponentially each year and only made people greedy and wanting more for nothing. Why do we have support programs that have no strings attached?

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WP @11:21 you hit the nail on the head.
CC with all those wrongs you should have wrote it.
GOP: Don’t let the door hit you…This is the attitude the american people are tired of hearing.

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norquist is just another almost extinct old white man horse’s ass whose time has passed

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td,

‘Entitlements’ don’t need to be mentioned in these discussions (unless it is to raise or eliminate the 941 ‘cap’).

Entitlements have nothing whatsoever to do with the budget or the need for return to sane revenue collection.

You must be confusing the needs of the Citizens with the ‘entitlement mentality’ of the military.

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