Grover Norquist’s reply to Saxby Chambliss: ‘His promise wasn’t to me’
So it looks like we have a renewal of last year’s sniping between U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss and Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform and originator of the no-tax-increase pledge that many Republicans – Chambliss among them – say will only aggravate a $16 trillion federal deficit.
Given the dearth of news on Thanksgiving Day, Chambliss’ comments on Norquist and his pledge, made to WMAZ in Macon, drew an inordinate amount of attention. Said Chambliss:
“I care more about my country than I do about a 20-year-old pledge. If we do it his way then we’ll continue in debt, and I just have a disagreement with him about that.”
That kind of rebellious chatter could have an impact on negotiations between President Barack Obama and congressional Republicans that are set to begin in earnest on Monday. Late Friday, Norquist sent us this lengthy response:
Senator Chambliss promised the people of Georgia he would go to Washington and reform government rather than raise taxes to pay for bigger government. He made that commitment in writing to the people of Georgia.
If he plans to vote for higher taxes to pay for Obama-sized government he should address the people of Georgia and let them know that he plans to break his promise to them.
The Senator’s reference to me is odd. His promise is to the people of Georgia.
In February 2011 he wrote an open letter addressed to me when he joined the Gang of Six saying he would not vote for any plan that raised taxes. He would support only tax revenue that resulted from higher growth.
That was a public letter he and co-signers Oklahoma Senator Tom Coburn and Idaho Senator Mike Crapo sent to the press to explain their negotiating position as they joined the Gang of Six in early 2011:
Note this excerpt, the final sentence of the letter:“If and when there is a legislative proposal to be presented to Congress and the American people, we look forward to again working with you and all interested parties to support a proposal where any increase in revenue generation will be the result of the pro-growth effects of lower individual and corporate tax rates for all Americans.”
That is certainly a position I support and the only “plan” that I have endorsed is the Paul Ryan budget that brings the budget to balance and pays down the debt without any tax hikes.
Sen. Chambliss voted for the Ryan plan. I miss his point in trying to attack me.
Raising taxes on the people of Georgia to pay for Obama’s reckless spending is not the right thing to do for America or Georgia. We have a problem because Washington spends too much, not because Sen. Chambliss has failed so far to raise taxes on the hard-working men and women of Georgia.
Sen. Chambliss mentions his fear of losing a primary if he breaks his word to Georgians and votes to raise their taxes. History reminds us that when President George H.W. Bush raised taxes in a deal that promised (and did not deliver) spending cuts he was defeated not in the primary, but in the general.
When Democrat Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska violated his pledge to the American people, he would’ve won a primary battle. But he withdrew because polling showed he could not win a general election having both lied to his state and raised their taxes.
I would urge all Senators to oppose Obama’s budget that raises taxes on the American people and sets the stage for larger taxes in the future on energy that will hit all Americans and raise the cost of living while reducing the number and quality of jobs in America.
I hope and trust that Senator Chambliss will keep his promise to Georgia and not raise taxes on the people of Georgia.
To be fair, in the WMAZ interview, Chambliss didn’t express “his fear” of losing a primary should he discard Norquist’s pledge. But he acknowledged that such an action would likely enlist Norquist on the side of a primary challenger in 2014.
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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Timmy
November 24th, 2012
6:43 pm
I’m suprised wmaz cracked this story. I usually watch them for their top-notch rush hour traffic reporting.
td
November 24th, 2012
6:56 pm
I love it that all you libs think that Grover forced the Conservatives to sign some type of oath and now think Grover runs the Republican party. Nothing is farther from the truth.
We (Conservatives in America) supported Grover’s idea to put Republican candidates on the record as to what they would do as far as taxes were concerned. The politicians did not make a pledge to Grover but made a pledge to the voters that put them in office not to raise taxes. We (Conservatives in America) hold them to that pledge. If they want to go back on their pledge then they do not have to answer to Grover but instead have to answer to the Conservatives in their district or state.
If a Republican wants to raise taxes then they are really a Democrat and should run as one because we do not want them representing us.
Rightwing Troll
November 24th, 2012
7:04 pm
Atlantan… you lie…
It is a bad to break a promise, but it is worse to let a promise break you
November 24th, 2012
7:06 pm
The Taxpayer Protection Pledge HAS NO USE BY DATE.
Jim Frankland
November 24th, 2012
7:06 pm
Dave, I know you’ve left the conversation, maybe your just waking up to reality. Get back to me in a couple of years. I’ve been looking at this problem for over ten now (obsessively with the economy of the world since 2006; which ultimately points back to politics), looking at all sides, trying to understand the problem and find a solution, looking for people (representatives to Washington) who support a good solution. My lack of patience is reserved for the idiots who simply yell talking points or don’t add constructive information to topics, only shout their point of view. I answered Joseph Wilson’s post of 3:17pm in my 4:06pm response, Joseph changed his name to Clem; or they are both just paid supporters of the Democrat Party (yes, they do pay people to sit and chat – post lies until the lies become truth – or common knowledge) and POSTED THE EXACT SAME THING again. I have no more tolerance for it. I believe strongly in two things; “Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither”; either financial or physical security; and “A democracy only lasts until the people realize they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury.” That is why we have a republic. But it is now a Democracy by proxy since the politicians buy their votes; back to my original comment on this post: “Georgia look at his decisions very closely and if needed look for a REPLACEMENT in two years.” Saxby ’s actions now need to be monitored and hope it isn’t just a ploy to gain votes. But, as Buckhead Boy asked me, maybe it is already too late. If Georgian’s already get more back than what they spend in taxes, maybe they will look at this as, tax those rich in favor of our gains; and vote to keep their Robin Hood. Then God help the entire country as we fall.
MASR
November 24th, 2012
7:12 pm
I will NOT vote for Chambliss if he supports taking more of my hard-earned tax dollars to waste.
The PROBLEM is not lack of revenue.
The PROBLEM is out of control wasteful spending!
Below are listed just a FEW of the examples of how the crooks in the U.S. government are stealing TRILLIONS of dollars from hard working U.S. taxpayers:
41 Obama White House Aides Owe $831,000 in Back Taxes.
At the EPA 413 people owe more than $19 MILLION in back taxes!
At the FDIC, 185 employees owe more than $3 MILLION.
Five people at the U.S. Tax Court owe $62,508.
Why are you not trying to retrieve this money????
Outrageous Congressional benefits: free health care, outrageous retirement packages, 67 paid holidays , 3 weeks paid vacation , unlimited paid sick days,emergency rooms for YOUR general health care at just one hospital cost the tax payers over 25 MILLION a year!!!
Aid to Haiti, Chile, Turkey, Pakistan, Muslims in middle East countries… BILLIONS of hard earned tax payer DOLLARS!!!
Obama Administration Spent $180,000 on “Official Portraits” This Year.
Despite $15.9 BILLION Loss, U.S. Postal Service Execs See Boost in Pay. Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe earned a base salary of $276,840, but even without a bonus or incentive payout, his overall compensation came to $512,093, compared with $384,229 in 2011, according to regulatory filings. Two other executives — Ellis Burgoyne, chief information officer, and Mary Anne Gibbons, general counsel — also received hefty increases in their retirement plans.
White House Announces $6 BILLION to Promote Clean Energy — IN ASIA.
A snake and squirrel study Federal grant $390,000 in 2010 in California.
$5.6 MILLION of US taxpayers dollars in 2011 to Preserve Cultural Landmarks – in Other Countries.
Welfare Cost $746 BILLION Last Year – More Than Social Security or Basic Defense.
New York and Massachusetts are administering food stamps to 2,000 dead people.
Federal Judge Orders Sex-Change Operation for Convicted Murderer, to Be Paid for by Taxpayers.
$4 BILLION in 4 Years: Federal Subsidies to Chicago Schools.
White House Requests Over Half BILLION Dollars to Subsidize Housing for drug addicts.
Hillary Clinton joins Elton John as she vows to beat AIDS with $150 MILLION spending spree.
Expedition to find Amelia Earhart’s crashed plane returns empty handed after $2.2 MILLION voyage.
White House announces $1 BILLION ‘master teacher’ program.
The U.S. government offers free medical and education benefits to illegal aliens, all at the cost to U.S. taxpayers. Now, we can add food stamps to the list of free benefits they will be receiving.
Obama Calls for $12.7 TRILLION in New Welfare Spending.
8,733,461: Workers on Federal ‘Disability’ Exceed Population of New York City.
$20 MILLION to help clean energy projects in Africa get started.
Obama gives Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood $1.5 BILLION.
$40 MILLION to Create 3 “Green” Jobs.
$9 BILLION in ‘Stimulus’ Made 910 Final Jobs — $9.8 MILLION Per Job.
Medicaid’s personal care services program budget has ballooned to more than $12 BILLION a year, just to send what amounts to a nanny to provide supportive ‘nonmedical services’ like meal preparation, housework, help with bathing and getting dressed, transportation and even money management.
Congress and the President need to get serious about wasteful spending before there is NO more US tax payer to tax.
Rightwing Troll
November 24th, 2012
7:12 pm
For four years every prediction, prognostication or prediction you wingnut has been wrong, you’ve cheered bad news and wished for even more… shake your fists at the wind, but know this you’ve exposed yourselves for what you are and the people have replied…
rj
November 24th, 2012
7:14 pm
td- it is your kind that has created the illusion in your own mind that you have the corner on rational thinking and it has given illegitimate birth to the infamous tea party. You care not about someone’s ability to have original thoughts or is capable of analysis, all you care about is signing some pledge that on it’s face is completely irrational that someone who is running for office can magically see into the future and pledge not to do something regardless of circumstances. You care not about the integrity and ability of a candidate, you just support whomever will sign a statement. Just in Georgia alone the TP has supported individuals with arrest records, poor financial histories of their own, no qualifications for a sought position other than some allegiance to the closed mind that is part of the characteristics of a TP member. Your golden boy Tom Graves in absolving himself of bank debt simply indicated that the bank should have known he couldn’t pay the debt back when they made him the loan. Forget about the promise to pay called a note. The Republican Party has to move to the center, and can do so without sacrificing principles, and get rid of the extremes that have made their way under the tent under false pretenses that they cared about this country. Let’s hope that given the defeat we experienced by picking Paul Ryan as VP wakes up the Republican Party and moves to correct or it will be another 8 years after this term of Democratic residence in the White House.
Atlantan
November 24th, 2012
7:16 pm
@Rightwing troll – you are an idiot, but you go raise those taxes. You probably aren’t attuned enough to read the WSJ, but businesses are cutting back. You Obama voters and left nuts own it…
Doug
November 24th, 2012
7:28 pm
I think Grover’s had one in him.
Julie
November 24th, 2012
7:31 pm
Grover isn’t king of the United States. He’s nothing more than a wanna be tyrant. Saxby is doing his job, a job he was fairly elected to do by his constituents.
JMH
November 24th, 2012
7:31 pm
Righting Troll, you don’t seem to have many ideas! What’s you plan? Bashing others who have the facts on their side because you don’t have a legitimate argument?
Peter
November 24th, 2012
7:33 pm
Norquist is a traitor.
Cherokee
November 24th, 2012
7:36 pm
You have, like, a source for all that stuff, MASR? And I mean a legitimate source, not Breitbart or Beck’s rags…
Didn’t think so….
td
November 24th, 2012
7:48 pm
Peter
November 24th, 2012
7:33 pm
Norquist is a traitor.
Oh yes, Grover put out a piece of paper, that represents what the Republican candidates promised conservative voters, and is now reminding them of the promises they made and you call him a traitor. Typical socialist thought.
td
November 24th, 2012
7:50 pm
Julie
November 24th, 2012
7:31 pm
“Grover isn’t king of the United States. He’s nothing more than a wanna be tyrant.”
Another idiot comment by a socialist. There is nothing Grover can do to any politician that breaks the pledge except to remind the people that put them in office.
Saxby is doing his job, a job he was fairly elected to do by his constituents.
td
November 24th, 2012
7:52 pm
“Saxby is doing his job, a job he was fairly elected to do by his constituents.”
I did not elect Saxby to raise taxes and will try my best to make sure he does not represent me again if he decides to go back on his campaign promise and raises taxes.
Michael
November 24th, 2012
7:55 pm
Grover has become one of the ugly faces of the Repluicans although he now talks about the need for diversity. Yeh, right Grover. As long as people like him are associated the the Repulicans they will never be elected President. The Bible belt is another story But hang in there TD.
Rightwing Troll
November 24th, 2012
7:57 pm
Sure. If you don’t like the ACA, find a better way to make those who use ER’s as their primary source of Healthcare…. Pay for it.
Tax me 3.9% more.
Streamline most every govt program out there, eliminate duplicity and repetition.
Cut spending across the board by 5%.
End all wars, both wars of choice and lies(Iraq), and wars where the mission is REALLY accomplished (Afghanistan), they don’t want us there anyway.
Don’t weep for the wealthy, they’ve raked it in for the last 8 years and have created no jobs. Pull your head out of Grover’s arse, he’s part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Jim Frankland
November 24th, 2012
7:58 pm
Cherokee, So how is it I can google three of MASR’s facts (picked at random) and it comes back with all sorts of hits. Some blogs, some like CBS News. (Is that off your ‘list’ too?) Yet, you pointedly add, “Didn’t think so….”. You have enough computer knowledge to post but not google? Or if you just keep shouting “liar” long enough the facts will vanish? Now if you with to argue the point, and point out how some issue or another isn’t the fault of, Obama? I can’t tell if that’s your side, you didn’t say. I suppose eventually time will tell, at the end of these 4 years O will have NOBODY but HIMSELF (believe it or not) to blame for the destruction of the economy, the destruction of what was left of the stability in the Middle East, or anything else that happens while he was out playing golf.
Rightwing Troll
November 24th, 2012
8:05 pm
And how is Grover doing all this “reminding”??? With OPM… And I’m sure he isn’t skimming any off the top… And I’m sure there are no strings attached, no?
It’s wonderful that the election was decided by millions with a few dollars a piece, instead of a few with a million dollars a piece. In spite of an activist court who gave us Citizens United, and a lobbyist like Grover, the will of the people prevailed…
td
November 24th, 2012
8:05 pm
Michael
November 24th, 2012
7:55 pm
It is you are the one that needs to keep on believing my friend. There are 30 states that have Republican governors that signed Grover’s pledge, 20 state legislatures totally controlled by Republicans that signed Grover’s pledge and an additional 6 states where at least one chamber that is controlled by Republicans that signed the pledge.
There will be 7 Democratic Senators up for re election in 2014 in states that Romney won and 0 Republicans up for re election in states that was won by Obama. The US house has been Gerrymandered by Republicans in such a way that Republicans will control the house for the next 10 years (as long as they do not break the pledge they made to conservative voters).
BTW: Even in states that Obama won like Ohio, VA and Florida, the Republican HOR’s members did not lose re election.
Rightwing Troll
November 24th, 2012
8:09 pm
More lies… The economy is getting better, no matter how hard you wish it weren’t. And no president can control events in the ME… Lord knows W couldn’t, yet you voted for him… Twice… In spite of the fact that the wheels were plainly coming off, yet things are plainly improving and you scream and lie more and louder…
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JMH
November 24th, 2012
8:20 pm
RWT the economy is treading water at best. The stock market is up because uncle Ben is firing up the printing press again and buying up govt debt. Companies are operating lean and mean and that won’t change anytime soon….no more jobs because they won’t hire with all the new taxes, regulations, and uncertainty in the market. I would be willing to bet that unemployment goes back above 9% before it goes below 7%; how much money u got?
Ol' Timer
November 24th, 2012
8:23 pm
I heard Grover Norquist say that he began thinking about this tax pledge idea when he was 12 or 13 years old.
Now, listen to me: that ain’t right. That flat out ain’t normal!
A 12 or 13 year old boy should be thinking about ball and girls and hunting and fishing — not a damn tax pledge!
That ol’ boy ain’t right and he as much as admitted it by saying he was thinking about this tax pledge idea when he was a 12 or 13 year old kid.
I wonder if he still lives in his mama’s basement?
dabir dalton
November 24th, 2012
8:29 pm
Common Sense wrote: If we want to return to the tax rates of the ’90s. then let’s also roll back the excessive legislation and minimum wage increases we have had since then.
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Not until you agree to roll back the excessive pay increases of CEO’s such as the CEO of home depot who was paid 25 million dollars after he’d closed several stores and laid off employees a couple of years ago.
Not until conservatives agree to condemn Arthur Blank co founder of home depot who believes that he is entitled to public funds to build a new stadium for the Falcons even as he whines like a spoiled brat about government regulations.
Lets see you show off some real fiscal common sense instead of loyalty to an immoral ideology promoted by an atheist.
Rightwing Troll
November 24th, 2012
8:40 pm
I’m good… My economy has done nothing but improve through all of this, I’m personally doing better today than I ever have. Focusing on the market on a day by day basis does nothing in terms of showing you the big picture… Empty lots are now being developed everywhere you look, malls are PACKED, new buildings going up everywhere… Open your eyes and turn off Faux news… Obama didn’t win… Mittens snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with the help of extremists like Grover… We should be celebrating the victory of pres-elect Huntsman right now, but you let the lies and extremists create your augmented reality for you, rather than make your own truthful assessments.
Rightwing Troll
November 24th, 2012
8:44 pm
Papa johns dude and the timeshare dude whine about the cost of imaginary and made up costs while they do their best to not provide living wages to the folks who actually produce for them… All the while they live like kings while their employes are forced to utilize the ER as their primary HC providers… Who pays for that?
Ol' Timer
November 24th, 2012
8:54 pm
RightWingTroll. . . .damn if you ain’t been reading my mind. I remember four or five weeks after Obama took office, the stock market was at 6400 and it’s over 13, 000 now.
Turning a cruise ship take time and turning around an economy that was the worst since the Great Depression also takes time, but we’re on the right path if the Vandals in the House of Representatives don’t set us back.
I’m convinced those ol’ boys had just as soon drive the ship of state aground as compromise on any issue.
But the difference is, the American people are wise to their obstructionists ways and will continue to kick their butts out of office if they don’t get with the program.
And, so it goes. . . . .
Eugene Goldsmith
November 24th, 2012
8:57 pm
As someone who has been involved in politics for over 30 years, I am still waiting for the decrease in spending that the Republicans have been offered every time they agree to raise taxes. O’Neill promised Reagan two dollars of spending cuts for each dollar of increase in taxes. Why do you think not one of the candidates in the Republican debates would even agree for 10 to 1 when asked the question? The democrats always lie when it comes to cuts. Make the cuts first and then agree to the revenue increase.
Eugene Goldsmith
November 24th, 2012
9:01 pm
Always agree to the spending cuts first. Everytime the Democrats say they’ll cut spending for tax increases, the taxes always come first and the cuts never happen. Why do you think not one of the Republican candidates agreed to even a 10 to 1deal in the debates? The democrats always lie.
Rightwing Troll
November 24th, 2012
9:56 pm
So… Ah Eugene…. Didn’t the Republicans have complete control for 6 years? And, ah… Didn’t they have 2/3 control for most of Clinton’s terms?
Not to throw a wet blanket on your particular, and obviously spoon fed, augmented reality… But wha happened there?
Rightwing Troll
November 24th, 2012
9:59 pm
Are those rascally Dems that good that they could snooker the GOP that completely?…really?
Rightwing Troll
November 24th, 2012
10:04 pm
Or is the reality that Republicans are no more frugal than Democrats, they just spend money on different things?
Hmmm… Who to trust…? Those who wish to squander our tax dollars on the military industrial complex and abstinence only, or those who wish to prop up the middle class by saving GM and provide birth control to those who want it…? Hmmm….
Cherokee
November 24th, 2012
10:27 pm
So, Jim, you googled three of his ‘points’ and they came back with hits?
Wow.
I stand corrected – I didn’t know how that worked.
Geeze, have you ever actually used the internet before? You can google any of the wingnut noise machine poutrages and find tons of hits ’cause you all talk to yourselves over and over again. Yeah, THAT’S gonna convince me….
Whoop de doo….
Sorry, my friend, but if someone wants to make a credible point then they need to provide supporting links – otherwise it’s just noise.
kungfua
November 24th, 2012
10:33 pm
Dr Socrates, you are failing to see that we have a problem even bigger than spending: our debt. And that if we cut spending (happy now?) _and_ increase revenue we will be able to pay off the debt even more quickly. Everyone wins. Capice?
Rabbit
November 24th, 2012
10:39 pm
Norquist is becoming as irrelevant as the clown in the sideshow. Chambliss is potentially learning statesmanship.
Rabbit
November 24th, 2012
10:51 pm
Tax rates are the lowest they’ve been in something like 50′years and productivity has been much higher in periods when rates were much higher than now. The whole argument made by Grover & co is flawed and utterly without impirical data to support it.
Brad Naksuthin
November 24th, 2012
10:54 pm
Grover Norquest has it half right. We do spend to much. Too much the war in Afghanistan and the one we just ended in Iraq, too much on a bloated $750 billion dollar a year defense budget, too much in aide to countries like Israel , Egypt and Pakistan, too much on the war on drugs, too much on farm subsidies, too much on crop insurance for farmers etc.
But he also misses the other point. Every decade We keep reducing taxes on everyone…especially the very wealthy. That makes it impossible to pay off the debt…even if we wanted to.
Add to that, Hurricane Wendy was just proof that people don’t really want LESS government. When things go wrong, as they often do, people want MORE government
Redneck
November 24th, 2012
11:04 pm
Groover Norquist no tax pledge for GOP congress is superseded. Congress now faces a voter pledge that states:
1. the fiscal cliff is unacceptable. 2. kicking the can down the road is unacceptable. 3. Find and acceptable answer by cutting spending and gathering reasonable revenue and implement it or you will take the place of the can kicked down the road, or stated another way, “You are Fired”.
Sign up you voters and pass it on.
Starik
November 24th, 2012
11:25 pm
We can’t fight wars without raising taxes. bush got us into this mess by starting two wars, fighting them incompetently and lowering taxes…
BigAintheBigA
November 24th, 2012
11:35 pm
Chambliss needs to go. We’ve known that for some time. He doesn’t have the spine necessary to finish the job in Washington. Shameful and embarrassing. A Georgian trying to excuse his fecklessness by blaming it on his love of country. How sad.
RCB
November 24th, 2012
11:50 pm
Cherokee–no need to google. Most of those points have even been in the network news within the last 6 months.
Sean Francisco
November 25th, 2012
12:04 am
http://www.change.org/petitions/senator-saxby-chambliss-honor-your-pledge
Old Violin
November 25th, 2012
12:32 am
I like the 2.5 percent spending reduction in federal spending (Waste) first ! Then if that doesn’t work, we’ll talk about a little bigger reduction in federal spending (Waste) ! This nation still belongs to the citizens, and the government should start recognizing that fact ! Stop wasting our money, and we won’t need a tax increase ! Cancel the blank checks ! Put senators and congressmen under the same tax, medical and retirement programs that we have to live with, and then we’ll consider listening to what you have to say…..If they can’t live with that in Washington, then they can come home and get a real job…..
AtlantaPaul
November 25th, 2012
12:39 am
Grover Norquist is a sniveling coward. This Democrat is for Saxby all the way!!!
Just Saying..
November 25th, 2012
2:36 am
Shame on Saxby-
Do believe I was addressing the GOP’s 17 litmus tests for membership, not one Senator’s career or Washington’s failings. The point is political power, and how to gain it.
Excluding voters-or one two term Senator- because of disagreement on 1 of 17 points of comparison is not a pathway to power. As a diverse America and election outcomes are trying to tell you.
Ann
November 25th, 2012
3:07 am
Fact-1. All elected officials worry first about keeping their job,promises are their “advertisement” to get your vote. 2. If spending cuts are their top priority,then the “first cut” should be in the congress and senate’s budget. They each get millions in salary,benefits,perks and having many offices in their home states. Also, they could pass a law to use their millions of left over campayne funds to be revenue for America. 3. All of the men and women sent to both houses first duty is to work for the common good of this country. The state issues do not override the country. 4. We are “ALL” in this “Together” for four more years. If we do not pull together—-then we will not improve anything. Change is often difficult and painful but stagnation is deadly. 5, Conservative or liberal is a point view as it will always be. Neither is right or wrong,just different.
The only thing that matters is America and ALL of it’s people.
Arthur Stephens
November 25th, 2012
4:23 am
Hey you gotta love these t-party fanatics, they single handedly gave the election to the reasonable people of this country. It’s truly a comic gift when your enemy is their own worst enemy, enjoy.