Your daily jolt: Florida governor drops opposition to ‘Obamacare’

The biggest post-election policy shift we’ve seen so far, from the Associated Press:

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — Florida Gov. Rick Scott, one of the most vocal critics of the federal health care overhaul, is dropping his staunch opposition to the law.

Scott said in an interview Tuesday that he now wants to negotiate with the federal government. He said it’s time for Republicans to offer solutions to help families after they lost their bid to defeat President Barack Obama.

“The election is over and President Obama won,” Scott said. “I’m responsible for the families of Florida … If I can get to yes, I want to get to yes.”

Scott had previously stated that he would not go along with any parts of the health care overhaul that the state controls.

States have until Friday to notify federal authorities whether they plan to set up health insurance exchanges, a marketplace where individuals and smalls businesses can shop for the most affordable coverage and where many will get help from the government to pay their premiums.

Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal is expected to reject state participation.

Meanwhile, two experts are quoted today as saying they doubt the federal government will be able to meet the October deadline for the establishment of health care exchanges at the core of the Affordable Health Care Act.

Over at the Gainesville Times, Jeff Gill spoke with UGA health policy expert Phaedra Corso, who said:

“My guess is that one of the things (Congress) is going to have to do is to extend that deadline on when those exchanges need to be operational, either June 2014 … or maybe 2015.”

Corso added, “So here’s the domino (effect): If the exchanges aren’t in place, the individual mandate won’t be in place.”

And from today’s Washington Post:

With a growing number of state leaders saying they will leave it to the federal government to handle a crucial element of President Obama’s health-care law, even supporters of the statute are wondering if the administration is up to the job….

Joel Ario, who until a year ago was the federal official overseeing development of the exchanges, said that while he is optimistic, he isn’t certain that the federal government will be ready by October.

“Anybody who tells you for sure . . . is ill-informed, because this is still a work in progress,” said Ario, who is now a health-care consultant.

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Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey is giving early warning to those in the wake of Hurricane Sandy that they’re likely to see higher property taxes to pay for reconstruction. From NBC 4 in New York:

“It’s got to be paid for,” Christie said at a post-storm briefing Tuesday. “No one’s ever happy with higher taxes. But the fact is, what annoys people more than anything else is waste. As long as they know that their money’s being spent in a way that’s helping bring the town back to life, I think people will understand.”

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James Earl Carter IV is at it yet again. The man who helped bring Mitt Romney’s “47 percent” video to light has unearthed a 30-year-old recording of an interview with legendary political strategist Lee Atwater, whose bare-knuckled but cagey tactics helped win the South for Republicans.

Read the entire account – and listen to the entire reclaimed audio — here at The Nation. But this is the most inflammatory portion from Atwater, as he explained how messaging to white Southerners shifted to coded “abstractions.” Said Atwater:

“You start out in 1954 by saying, ‘N—–, n—–, n—–.’ By 1968 you can’t say ‘n—–’—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… ‘We want to cut this,’ is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than ‘N—-, n——.’”

The above quote was part of an interview of Atwater by political scientist Alexander P. Lamis, who used it without attribution in his book, “The Two-Party South.”

After Atwater’s early death in 1991, Lamis disclosed the identity of the man behind the quote.

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Maybe you missed it, but my AJC colleague Katie Leslie had a conversation Tuesday with Danny Dukes, the Canton-area consultant who lost a Republican primary race for chairman of the Cherokee County Board of Education in July.

Dukes admitted being one of those thousands of people who signed a petition on a White House website, advocating Georgia’s secession from the Union. It was a protest rather than a policy position, he said:

“It’s like the Boston Tea Party sending a message saying, ‘We’re fed up with the way things are.’ We want progress and direction and leadership and don’t agree with the route things are taking,” he said.

“The racial issue has been checked at the doorstep for a long time,” he said. “In my mind, it’s not an issue.”

But even in Cherokee County, that’s the kind of protest that could circumscribe one’s political ambitions.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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43 comments Add your comment

Road Scholar

November 14th, 2012
9:54 am

Gov Scott is a realist. Gov Deal”s head is in the sand. How could the state health exchange NOT help people get more affordable, better detailed, health insurance from PRIVATE companies?

To secessionists: the state does not want to secede from the Union. If you don’t like it, leave. Just remember Canada has the dreaded “socialist” healthcare! I hear Somalia is beautiful this time of year! Grow up!

from the bench

November 14th, 2012
10:03 am

This language is reported to be the response of Justice Scalia in a letter to a professor who espoused the right of secession. The Justice writes:

“I am afraid I cannot be of much help with your problem, principally because I cannot imagine that such a question could ever reach the Supreme Court. To begin with, the answer is clear. If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, “one Nation, indivisible.”) Secondly, I find it difficult to envision who the parties to this lawsuit might be. Is the State suing the United States for a declaratory judgment? But the United States cannot be sued without its consent, and it has not consented to this sort of suit.”

WAW

November 14th, 2012
10:03 am

Thank you Jimmy IV The Party of NO has a lot to pray about.

Don't Tread

November 14th, 2012
10:12 am

A secessionist petition would be like the colonies “asking” for permission from Great Britiain to become their own country. It didn’t work then, and won’t work now.

curious

November 14th, 2012
10:16 am

Florida Gov. Rick Scott:
“He said it’s time for Republicans to offer solutions to help families after they lost their bid to defeat President Barack Obama.”

Is he saying it took the election of Obama for Republicans to offer solutions for families?

I guess Romney’s 47% remark must be indicative of the overall Republican philosophy.

Woodstock Woody

November 14th, 2012
10:20 am

You give my fellow Cherokee Countians too much credit. This is the home of Chip Rogers, the leading U.N. conspiracy theorist under the gold dome. This is the home to a Tea Party founder who claims the GOP had a poor national showing because it was too moderate. Don’t be surprised if the north Georgia exurban and mountain counties move to secede from Georgia for being too liberal.

Bullseye

November 14th, 2012
10:23 am

Let them go. Just what would the Cracker nation look like? The ten commandments in every Wal Mart? Plenty of rapes under god. Rush crowned as Viagra King. Lots of blue hair and wrinkled white knuckels.

cc

November 14th, 2012
10:23 am

Peaceful secession will not be granted any state, but IF it were . . .

I would use the words uttered by Davy Crockett after being defeated in his reelection bid to Congress in 1835 by pro-Jackson forces, “You can go to hell. I’m going to Texas.”

yellowdog

November 14th, 2012
10:25 am

count on Deal to lead the state further into mediocrity…..playing yet again to a base when he decides to run again? great leadership…….shame on you governor

Gary Burley

November 14th, 2012
10:32 am

I liked the petition I saw yesterday that called for anyone who signed a petition for their state to secede to be deported…

At the very least they should all be given tickets to see ‘Lincoln’ this weekend to remind themselves what happened the last time a bunch of whiners and traitors tried to wreck the United States

cc

November 14th, 2012
10:42 am

“the last time a bunch of whiners and traitors tried to wreck the United States”

A great many people believe the “whiners and traitors” now occupyy the White House, the Democrat Party and the voters who put them in power.

cc

November 14th, 2012
10:48 am

“I liked the petition I saw yesterday that called for anyone who signed a petition for their state to secede to be deported…”

If only England had thought of that in the 1770’s they could have avoided all that unpleasantness of those nasty old colonies declaring independence!

Great thinking!

Gary Burley

November 14th, 2012
10:51 am

Actually CC, it’s a minority of people – as was demonstrated most forcefully last week. But they are welcome to go to any of those other countries like Canada and all of Europe with their damn free healthcare and six months maternity leave etc…

Marlboro Man

November 14th, 2012
10:51 am

Is Deal out of debt yet ? You can bet your sweet bippy he will be by the time he lines his pocket with favors.

Expect little and you won’t be let down with him.

Reality

November 14th, 2012
11:06 am

I am very happy for the people of Florida.

Now, why cannot our idiot republican Governor do the same? Why are the Georgia politicans (republicans) so hard-headed and dead set to make the State of Georgia miserable?

No doctor in their right mind would even think of living in Georgia! Our State is making it so that doctors cannot get paid for their services (or at least making it very difficult to get paid). If you think we already have a doctor shortage in Georgia now – just wait!

The idiots in Georgia continue to elect idiot republican politicans that are diving our State, not into a ditch, but into a black hole from which there is no return. This doesn’t just include healthcare, but also education and every other aspect.

I think that the US would actually be smart to pay money for Georgia to leave the union!

cc

November 14th, 2012
11:09 am

An appropriate quote:

“Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions…Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the ‘new, wonderful good society’ which shall now be Rome, interpreted to mean ‘more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.’”

~Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

Reality

November 14th, 2012
11:09 am

@cc,

Obviously the majority of Americans now back the President and his policys. So, it is an absolute truth to say that MOST people believe that the whiners are the republicans and the like.

Use logic…. if you can.

catlady

November 14th, 2012
11:13 am

Meanwhile, here in Georgia, we lead our people BACKward.

are you all serious?

November 14th, 2012
11:14 am

cc…don’t let the door knob hitcha!! Peace and have a great time in Redneckington, Texas.
Obamacare was never supposed to be the end all. It was supposed to be tweeked. Only problem was the repubs knew it was a good idea but didn’t want Obama to get the credit. Just tweek the thing until common ground is met and keep things going. We have bigger fish to fry.

GaBlue

November 14th, 2012
11:18 am

Daddy Deal just doesn’t love us. You would NEVER see him holding hands with our President to save us from drowning like Daddy Christie did in N.J. Dang…. when the currently-installed GOP Governor of Florida cares more about the common folk in that mosquito- and fungus-infested intellectual swamp than our Governor does…. just DANG.

Save the money you were going to spend buying Daddy a new tie for Christmas. It doesn’t matter how you voted; he just does not love us, and he just never will.

Voter

November 14th, 2012
11:43 am

People wake up. If you don’t think this obamacare isn’t going to cost us more, you’re nuts. If you don’t believe me, just wait, watch your paycheck and watch your take home pay decrease. Watch how your “choices” decrease. And then watch how employers start laying people off. Just wait and watch.

clem

November 14th, 2012
11:46 am

mighty nice of scott, since he won’t be reelected

Cherokee

November 14th, 2012
11:53 am

Guess a lot of us are nuts then Voter.

Now I just have one choice – whichever plan my employer offers. I’m kind of looking forward to more choices. More freedom, ya know? Conservatives used to tout freedom as one of their values….

td

November 14th, 2012
11:56 am

Cherokee

November 14th, 2012
11:53 am

Where in the heck did you get the idea that you had choices? Under Obamacare, you only are allowed to go into the exchange if your employer did not offer a plan. If your employer offers a plan then you MUST accept it or pay a penalty.

Liz

November 14th, 2012
11:58 am

Let’s face it, we will be better off with the a federally designed health care exchange system.

Governor Deal will one day account to his maker for all the lives that have and will be lost because he played politics to the bitter end.

td

November 14th, 2012
12:03 pm

I see you libs on this blog again do not have a clue at what is going to happen.

If the state does not set up and run an exchange then the Federal government will set up one and run it for the state. The good for the state is that we do not have the cost of building and maintaining this website.

This is part is not that big of a deal for the state. The bigger deal is that the state has the option (according to the decision of the SCOTUS) of expanding Medicaid. If we (and other states) do not expand this entitlement (which is already covering 20% of our population) then Obamacare does not have the financial means to cover everyone and it falls apart and must be taken back before the Congress for massive amounts of new money.

Reality

November 14th, 2012
12:12 pm

@td -

You are just too funny and too sad. Your facts are twisted and your logic is wrong. I guess you know more than the Republican Governor of Florida who now requests “obamacare” for his State?

LOL!!!

cc

November 14th, 2012
12:12 pm

“Actually CC, it’s a minority of people – as was demonstrated most forcefully last week.”

“Obviously the majority of Americans now back the President and his policys.”

Being in the majority doesn’t make you right. Doubt me? If you could ask the victim of a lynch mob whether the majority was correct in their thinking, I don’t believe the answer you would get would be in the affirmative.

Reality

November 14th, 2012
12:14 pm

@Liz,

You may have a point. If Georgia does not get involved, then at least the idiot republican politicans cannot corrupt it and find ways to skim money off of it to line their pockets!

Reality

November 14th, 2012
12:16 pm

@cc,

You always even twist your own words – just like a true conservative republican! YOU said that most poeple think that Obama and his supporters are the whiners. I pointed out that those people (the Obama supporters) are in the majority as demonstrated by the election. So, you are wrong.

So, rather than admitting that you are wrong, you now say something about “being in the majority doesn’t make you right.”

LOL!!!! You are just too funny.

Kris

November 14th, 2012
12:26 pm

I will say it again …We as citizens need to send a message to our Governor crooked DEAL (term loosely used).
Enough hiring unqualified family and cronies…And closed locked door pocket lining.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/watchdog-group-lobbyist-giving-lawmakers-thousands/nS5t2/

Health care will be like EDUCATION and the Stadium…sold to the lobbyist with the
Biggest roll of payola.

In the long run The Federal Government will do a better job of running health care than shady deal and his crony run ways..
Where do I sign the petition to start the RECALL DEAL process?

Obamacare Beat Out Romneydidn'tcare

November 14th, 2012
12:27 pm

@Voter

November 14th, 2012
11:43 am
People wake up. If you don’t think this obamacare isn’t going to cost us more, you’re nuts. If you don’t believe me, just wait, watch your paycheck and watch your take home pay decrease. Watch how your “choices” decrease. And then watch how employers start laying people off. Just wait and watch.

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CONS are ALWAYS yelling FIRE in the Theater.

CONS are STILL BEATING that DEAD HORSE.

CONS GET OVER YOURSELF.

You got 4 mo years to WHINE, LIE AND COMPLAIN.

Obamacare Beat Out Romneydidn'tcare

November 14th, 2012
12:45 pm

@cc

November 14th, 2012
12:12 pm
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Gubmint Rocks

November 14th, 2012
12:53 pm

Nothing is going to get any better until government takes over everything. Then they can force everyone to do what is right. Government fixes everything equally and fairly. Thats just the way it is. Get used to it and stop complaining.

Buymadeinusjobs

November 14th, 2012
1:17 pm

If Democrats can stick together in GA?FL,
[register more voters],

veterans, teachers, police, mothers, everyone, talk to Mayor Reed, find out how to set up accounts , run for every race, school board, commisioner, gov. senators/rep. etc

educate your voters . Every democrat vote in every election like Michelle Obama told us.

You have conservative talk radio, Fox, crossroads /Karl Rove, American Prosperity doing research so it is better if you do not have anything they can use against you.

There is a difference between Republicans and democrats.

Republicans are for rich, check their laws/votes.

Scott is also talking about review of voter suppression, He and Repub. legislature were cause of it Google.
He is hoping that Florida voters will have short memory, he runs for re-election soon.
In case, he is defeated, he would want to set up healthcare so he can benefit. Remember medicare fraud/scott/google

Auntie Christ

November 14th, 2012
1:21 pm

Laughable, cc td and voter with their dire predictions for the future of healthcare. I think their credibility as seers and prophets went down in flames Tuesday November 6, along with their rosy predictions of a romney landslide Even more risible is cc’s attempt at playing resident historian, comparing secessionists to the Adamses, Patrick Henry, Jefferson, et al. The more proper analogy is not to compare the tea baggers and secessionists to these patriots, but to a screaming two year old who has just been told “no, you can’t get that shiny new toy,” who thinks that if they can scream loud enough and long enough, they will get it.

I would love to see Texas secede, then watch as the residents of Ok, La, NM, et all clamor forhelp in stemming the tide of illegal aliens, illegal aliens named bush, perry, jones, smith etc who are fleeing from the ‘nation’ that is about to be annexed to Mexico. I’m sure Mexico can claim ‘maifest destiny” just as well as the USA, and they will likely decide they would like their Alamo back, if you please.

And being a good conservative, pox news loyalists, cc will of course freely take quotes out of context. To wit; ‘new, wonderful good society’ which shall now be Rome, interpreted to mean ‘more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.’”

Cicero was referring to the Roman aristocracy living off the sweat and toil of common people, who would be forced to work their entire lives while the elite accrued the wealth from their labors, forcing them to work for wages that barely kept them alive, with no hope of upward mobility, healthcare, or a dignified old age, in short, Cicero was describing a republican/romney/ryan vision for America.

Bob Loblaw

November 14th, 2012
1:23 pm

When states begin implementing expanded Medicaid and see health care costs balancing out because the uninsured are getting care, GA will look ignorant and it’ll be too late. We’re looking at a $4B in exchange for $35+B gift horse in the mouth. I guess those working poor won’t need insurance.

What can harm GA by setting up an exchange? I just don’t see it.

Buymadeinusjobs

November 14th, 2012
1:28 pm

You people who want to secede are the minority like you were as Tea Party/right wingers/red necks, you need to buy yourself a ticket to Somalia, it is about only country without government.

Governor Medicaid Grifter Scottie

November 14th, 2012
1:31 pm

Drug test this thief! Floridiots elected a grifter whose company paid the biggest fraud settlement ever for Medicaid fraud, and he pushed for drug testing everyone but Florida elected politicos, and screwed up the Florida election, big time. (He announced that he and his election lackey will investigate how they did that…)

Still, he’s a grifter politician and he wants to stay in charge of the checkbooks, so he’s blowing in the wind…blowing in favor of RomneyObamacare, after all.

Anything less, and he won’t be re-elected. Still waiting for the perp walk for this grifter.

Reality

November 14th, 2012
1:33 pm

@Bob Loblaw -

You think it will take that amount of time for GA to look ignorant. I think that time has already passed.

Native Georgian

November 15th, 2012
6:17 am

The Best thing for the good citizens of the State of Georgia is for Governor Deal and his cronies to keep their hands off Obama Care. I rather take my chances with the Feds oversight instead of one of the least citizen and consumer friendly states in this great Union, messing with my healthcare.
Somebody tell John McCain, Lindsey and Rudy that their team lost to President Obama for the second consecutive time in a row. Romesia has sat in again; Romney spends a billion dollars trying to buy the election, however he was out maneuvered by the power of the incumbency. His face saving tactics, should be reviewed by a NY food critic. He is cooking with bad grease.
Sarah Palin please help these repulicouldn’ts. Romney lost you are free to come back on the stage, please bring you own chair because the People of the United States allowed The President to keep the big one.
How about a petition for a 3rd term.

honested

November 15th, 2012
8:24 am

Resistance to reality from republican Governors around the country belies their allegiance to insurance companies.
Movement to full implementation of the Affordable Care Act will demonstrate the obvious need for nationwide, Federally Chartered healthcare coverage (at least until we all realize that Centralized, Single Payer Federal Health insurance financed through payroll deductions is the sane answer).

Governors who insist on fighting the tide (and costing their Citizens in the process) are only protecting the State Chartered insurance system which regularly lauds them with substantial campaign contributions. There is power in owning authority over insurance coverage and maintaining that power rather than attending to the need of the Citizens is what Governor deal has decided to do.

Bobby

November 15th, 2012
10:28 am

Since Governor Deal wants the federal government to administer Georgia’s health exchanges let’s hope the federal government subtracts any payments it has to make from Georgia’s share of federal dollars being received.

Perhaps Governor Deal would like the federal government to take over all state government responsibilities, as they did just after the War Between the States. Personal responsibility is not a GOP standard in Georgia.