Watching the Falcons stadium debate, the Braves pursue something different

The Atlanta Braves would like to see this sprawl of parking lots north of Turner Field become a mixed-use neighborhood on par with Atlantic Station. Hyosub Shin, hshin@ajc.com

The Atlanta Braves would like to see this sprawl of parking lots north of Turner Field become a mixed-use neighborhood on par with Atlantic Station. Hyosub Shin, hshin@ajc.com

For the much-needed attention she paid to the city’s infrastructure, Shirley Franklin became known as Atlanta’s sewer mayor.

Kasim Reed may have something flashier in mind as a legacy. If things go his way, by the time he’s finished, Reed may be known as the stadium mayor.

You already know that Reed is a major force behind Arthur Blank’s effort to build a new, $1 billion-plus home for his Atlanta Falcons. The Georgia World Congress Center Authority would hold the title. A state-approved hotel-motel tax would pay for at least $300 million of the structure – perhaps more, if the Legislature and governor can be persuaded.

This winter, the Falcons project could require the mayor of Atlanta, a former state senator, to return as a full-time resident of the Capitol. While he’s there, Reed may also give some attention to yet another stadium deal in the works.

This one is so fresh that it’s not out of diapers and thus has no dollar figure attached. Conceivably, it could have more of an economic impact on downtown Atlanta than replacing the 20-year-old Georgia Dome, without the taxpayer heartburn.

Through the city’s development authority, Invest Atlanta, Reed is attempting to put together a private-public partnership to develop the vast, vacant stretch between the state Capitol and Turner Field into a live-work-play area on par with Atlantic Station.

Substantive talks are underway, with the 2016 expiration of the Atlanta Braves’ lease on Turner Field in mind. The Braves have never been entirely happy there.

“As we sit here in 2012, this isn’t where we would have this stadium today,” began Mike Plant, the Braves’ executive vice president of business operations. “I’m not saying it’s a bad place, but it doesn’t match up with where the majority of our fans come from.”

Historians will remember that, ‘way back in ’88, the Braves gave some thought to a new stadium in Gwinnett County – for the major league team, not its AAA club.

A converted 1996 Olympic stadium kept the team downtown – where they are likely to remain, given the current climate. “The appetite for taxpayer-funded stadiums is not – in 2012 – probably too high,” Plant said.

In other words, as with tens of thousands of homeowners in metro Atlanta, circumstances have locked the Braves into place. Which leaves the baseball team and its owners no choice but to build a better neighborhood.

“Now we have to create an environment like San Diego, Denver, Cincinnati, Colorado,” Plant said. “They’ve taken challenged areas and used sports arenas for really improving, stimulating some real solid development.”

Plant said the team first approached the mayor of Atlanta two years ago. In August, the city’s development authority sought to take the temperature of real estate investors. A half-dozen have responded.

The Braves envision a partnership that includes themselves, the city, a number of private investors, and the Atlanta-Fulton County Recreation Authority, which owns Turner Field and the 55 vacant acres now devoted to parking – and nothing else.

External features would include residential and retail properties and perhaps even a people-mover to help fans to the MARTA rail line that’s eight-tenths of a mile away. The Braves intend to use cash earned from their investment in the neighborhood to pay for improvements within Turner Field.

“See all those blue seats out there?” said Plant, pointing out of his stadium office window to 55,000 posterior-placement platforms. “That’s a potential $15 million project. We break about 500 of them a year now. They’re rated for 15 years, and we’re going to make it to 20.”

The seats are made in Australia, the remnant of an Olympic trade deal. “We’ve got to replace every seat in this place,” he said.

Brian McGowan, president and CEO of Invest Atlanta, is the shepherd of the Turner Field project. He, too, is highly cognizant of the political climate. The area is a TAD – a tax allocation district. But McGowan said any expenditure of public money would be incidental.

That’s why real estate firms have been sounded out on the project. “We wanted to ‘ping’ the private sector to see how they felt about this. The government can have the grandest of plans for things like this, but if it doesn’t stand the private sector, private capital test, then it’s not going to work,” McGowan said.

(James Hughes Jr., an Emory law professor and chairman of the recreation authority, also said it was unlikely that his board’s bonding capacity would be tapped.)

Unlike the Falcons deal, a public-private partnership to develop the Turner Field project shouldn’t require a great deal of involvement from the occupants of the state Capitol, McGowan said.

But there may be one fly in that ointment. When the Legislature convenes in January, Republican lawmakers will begin their efforts to reduce Fulton County government to a mere shell. Turner Field, owned by the city-county recreation authority, could find itself involved in a tug-of-war. That’s not a welcome thought for the Braves.

“I’m going to rely on the fact that people on both sides of the aisle recognize the importance of this team not just because of what we do on the field, but because of our economic numbers as well,” said the Braves’ Plant. “We’re a viable business that drives a lot of activity and a lot of revenue.”

That number, he underlined, is $104 million a year. And could be much more.

Postscript:There are those of you out there who will note that the Atlanta-Fulton County Recreation Authority doesn’t seem to be at the center of these talks. One word explains that: Fanplex.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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171 comments Add your comment

Braves Fan

November 14th, 2012
7:11 pm

Move the Braves Stadium to Cobb or at least north of the connector.

Mike Bell 790

November 14th, 2012
7:12 pm

Blazerdawg

November 14th, 2012
7:13 pm

Area has much potential. A well planned, safe neighborhood that is well integrated with Grant Park and improves Pryor Ave and Lakewood through momentum could transform the entire city. Enjoyed partying at B-Champs in the past b/a Braves games – some other options would be welcome and would increase the number of Braves games I attend.

Daniel

November 14th, 2012
7:16 pm

Yea get the Braves stadium out of the projects of Atlanta.

C from Marietta

November 14th, 2012
7:22 pm

Good Grief. No wonder the city is going BROKE! Folks there are more important things in life than football and baseball. However, it seems we are too stupid to realize that.

John

November 14th, 2012
7:23 pm

Move it up north to Alpharetta/Roswell.

Safer area near all the biggest Braves fans. Traffic kills the Braves attendance.

Jerry Jowers

November 14th, 2012
7:26 pm

They’ve already taken the first step with Fanplex, all they need is some mixed-use housing (because we don’t have enough of that in Atlanta) and the area will be smoking.

Stuart

November 14th, 2012
7:31 pm

On behalf of the citizens of Coweta County, we are inviting the Braves to move here.

bob

November 14th, 2012
7:33 pm

Seems to me that there was some talk into making the existing Turner Field area into quite a complex to include bars, pubs, restuarants but a former muckity muck tampered it down so fans would spend more in the stadium. Didn’t want the fans to eat and drink before they came in! A mini Atlantic station would be cool. Need to spend a little money and buy more of the houses, business, etc on the south side of the stadium. No offense but that includes the home run by the nuns…give them enough for their property that they can build a new place. No new baseball stadium…spend some bucks to bring it up to date!

Meli

November 14th, 2012
7:43 pm

It sounds great, but the neighborhoods that border the stadium were promised the exact same thing when the Olympics came to Atlanta, and then when the Olympic Stadium was converted to Turner Field. They can talk this game all they want, but until the city lives up to its promises and actually does it, that’s all it is–talk. And the city has shown over the past 20 years that it has no intention of living up to its talk.

Marlboro Man

November 14th, 2012
7:43 pm

Those who benefit from a stadium should pay for a stadium in cash.

dabo

November 14th, 2012
7:46 pm

Bob, you hit the nail on the head. When the Braves stadium was built, the parking lots and Georgia Ave should have been developed into bars, restaurants, etc. Everyone knew there would be 2 to 3 million people coming to this stadium every year and a significant amount would be from out of town. The Braves and the city were short sighted and didn’t want mass transit so they could charge for parking and herd everyone into the stadium for more Braves revenue. I live near the stadium and love it here but any tourist that comes to the stadium and looks around all they see is parking lots, vacant land and interstates and says, ‘this city is ugly!’

spider

November 14th, 2012
7:48 pm

move the braves to richmond since we stole their minor league team

td

November 14th, 2012
7:51 pm

Move about 100,000 moochers out of the state and we could afford the best stadiums in the country.

Chris

November 14th, 2012
8:00 pm

Geeee I wonder why the area around Turner Field is terrible? Same reason all of downtown is terrible! Put the stadium in north Atlanta and they will have many more fans in the seats!

Angus

November 14th, 2012
8:02 pm

Without good transit, I don’t see it happening.

A transit line for both Turner Field and Zoo Atlanta would be the #1 tourist route in the city.

Too bad we spent $100mil on a streetcar that parallels MARTA.

Chris

November 14th, 2012
8:06 pm

Zoo Atlanta is awful also. Yet another place surrounded by the ‘hood. They sure ruin everything!

Angus

November 14th, 2012
8:10 pm

Good lord, Chris – hop on Zillow or Redfin and learn yourself something. Zoo Atlanta is surrounded by $3-600k homes.

billyBobjacket

November 14th, 2012
8:16 pm

Good God, Galloway…now you are trying to tie Republicans to blocking development around the Braves stadium!? Didn’t you see the last election results…Democrats lost BIG TIME in Georgia, and Republicans are more likely to support private development anyway. Maybe if your sleazy party can get all the illegals on the voting rolls, and get 140% voter turnout in your Democratic neighborhoods like they did in Philly (I bet you can find a few hundred more votes in Oakland cemetery if you try hard enough.) It would make more sense to develop the old GM plant site for this purpose…it is already next to MARTA and closer to many more paying customers. I know it will cost a lot of Democratic voters their “independent parking vendor” income, not to mention the loss of income from breaking in to cars…

Karl Marx

November 14th, 2012
8:17 pm

More corporate welfare for millionaires, sickening isn’t it.

White Flight Attendant

November 14th, 2012
8:19 pm

Yes, let’s move the Braves — and the Falcons — out of the city, and bring them up here to the northern suburbs, so we won’t have to drive to where there are people of color. And let’s implement The Fair Tax, too, so we can transfer the tax burden onto them. And let the state of Georgia also secede from the Union, so we won’t have to have a man of color as our president.

The world revolves around us.

billyBobjacket

November 14th, 2012
8:20 pm

Streetcar no nowhere or another Atlantic Station…gee, which one did Atlanta and their Obamanation cronies choose to go with. You can’t spell LaHood without “hood”.

td

November 14th, 2012
8:24 pm

Karl Marx

November 14th, 2012
8:17 pm

More corporate welfare for millionaires, sickening isn’t it.

No. Welfare is giving something to someone and getting no return on your investment like giving food stamps and Medicaid to people to just produce more babies that the state has to pay for. This would be an investment because the increase tax base and taxes coming into the city would pay for the investment and give greater returns in the future.

billyBobjacket

November 14th, 2012
8:24 pm

White Flight: You don’t see many African-American hair extension or hair styling salons in the northern suburbs…is that because the owners are racist and don’t want to be where there are white people, or is because they want to be near their customer base?

South Fulton Guy

November 14th, 2012
8:37 pm

With all of the problems that the State of Georgia faces why are Miltonite Legislators obsessed with dismantling Fulton when they need to get their own fiscal house in order? Will they compromise the cooperative environment that Republicans have with Atlanta (Fulton County) Mayor Reed with 4 more years of an Obama Presidency. This is an instance of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Dave

November 14th, 2012
8:38 pm

I’m tired of public risk, private profit projects. The owners of the Miami Marlins got hundreds of millions of dollars in tax money to build a stadium, signed a couple of hundred millions in players and just traded them off, leaving Miami with a Triple A Team and a bunch of bond debt. I don’t know that Arthur Blank would do that with the Falcons or the folks out in Denver that own the Braves would do that but why risk it? If a business makes economic sense, private money will be spent. It’s only when a project doesn’t make economic sense that we hear about Super Bowls and “economic engines” that justify spending tax money. Examples? Sembler I believe wanted a fancy mixed use project at North Druid Hills and Briarcliff that just had to have public money in it. DeKalb said no and there was no project. Sembler i believe also wanted a mixed use project on Peachtree in the soon to be city of Brookhaven. DeKalb said no public money; but, guess what, the project made sense and got built.

kevinofconyers

November 14th, 2012
8:43 pm

Good God, the bickering like 2 year olds is ANNOYING! Can we have intelligent dialogue??!

kevinofconyers

November 14th, 2012
8:49 pm

I hate the idea of moving north, though– why alienate the fans east. west of the perimeter when current location is central for everyone?? Improving the area around the stadium would be great.

Nicholas J.

November 14th, 2012
8:53 pm

Get out of here you suburbanites who moved so far from the city then complain about how long it takes you to travel to enjoy the perks of it. You can’t have your cake and eat it to, sorry. The Braves should stay in Atlanta, and should keep contributing to the atmosphere and economy of the city. If you guys want such a thing maybe you should, I don’t know, move to the city, otherwise sit in traffic and wait to get to the destination that you decided to move away from. You guys would rather tear down all the progress made to get a city to the point Atlanta is now because of your various bias rather than helping to strengthen and promote the very city that your little smudge of a town owes its existence to. smh

Eric

November 14th, 2012
9:07 pm

Can’t believe we’re still discussing the so-called “merits” of a new Falcons stadium. It’s been shown many times that the public is against funding for private profiting. Mr. Blank needs to watch the game from t.v. in a current box seat and be happy with that!

Dan

November 14th, 2012
9:12 pm

Thats right transplant all the projects to Clayton County! Wait we already did that for the Olympics! Thanks Atlanta for making one of the most prosperous, safe, well educated Counties in all of Georgia into a total cesspool all in the name of progress!

Mr. Snarky

November 14th, 2012
9:17 pm

Sounds good…it is a wasteland around the stadium. Isn’t there still a surplus of condos and town homes on the market already though? If the population will support it and the taxpayers aren’t getting soaked then great.

Mr. Snarky

November 14th, 2012
9:18 pm

As far as the Falcons go, I don’t care if they’re 8-1, if Blank wants a new stadium he can pay for it. I’m tired of public risk and private reward for the already super-rich.

Truth.

November 14th, 2012
9:18 pm

This is basically push the blacks out of the SS of Atlanta to “somewhere” so the whites will come back and spend money. I get it. It’s sad really. The more thing change the more they stay the same.

Bob

November 14th, 2012
9:23 pm

Also sounds a lot like the Dodgers’ plan for making money on the new owners’ investment. The city should sell the team the property at a reasonable price, put in some of the needed infrastructure, and the team can do the rest.

Truth.

November 14th, 2012
9:23 pm

I should clarify though. We’re talking about baseball so it makes good business sense.

jebbery

November 14th, 2012
9:30 pm

I would bet a Braves stadium north of town, let’s say in Cobb or Gwinnett, would eventually end up with lower attendance than current numbers at the Ted. There would be some initial excitement, but that would taper off and attendance would drop 10% or so. You could make up for that by jacking up the prices on everything…I guess. But that will probably happen regardless.

JD

November 14th, 2012
9:30 pm

I think an excellent spot for both a new Falcons Stadium and a new Braves Stadium would be around Atlanta Motor Speedway. There would be great access with the improvements to the roads going into that area. It would be great for expansion of that area. There should also be more private investors to help the funding and more would be interested if it were located in that area.

Braves fan

November 14th, 2012
9:36 pm

The worse place in the world for a park…Get it in Cobb County are around there. I don’t want my kids and family going down there without me…..plus traffic is the pits.

Kevin

November 14th, 2012
9:36 pm

Of course, Democrats are in charge. Of course, we are going broke. Just like Detroit.

There's a reason

November 14th, 2012
9:37 pm

Flight Attendant,
please go check on that coke 1A ordered ten minutes ago, and leave the serious discussion to those that have a clue about business. Fair Tax? Transfer the tax burden to ‘them’? Good lord, read up on it’s provisions for low income earners before making a statement like that….and bring me some peanuts.

Braves fan

November 14th, 2012
9:38 pm

Braves fan

November 14th, 2012
9:38 pm

not bad..ops

Mr. Snarky

November 14th, 2012
9:39 pm

JD…really? Moving the team half-way to Macon? Don’t thinks so…

Grow up

November 14th, 2012
9:46 pm

If its too far to go into town to pay $20 to park, $50 per ticket, $10 for a beer, $9 for a burger or $14 for a barbecue to sit in an uncomfortable chair to listen to some jack leg drop F bombs in front of his 10 year old daughter because an 8 Million a year athlete can’t hit an orange sized object hurtling at him at
90 mph do what I do: Put on your Braves hat, fire up the grill, turn on the HD LCD, pop open a $2 dollar ice cold beer from a fridge full of ‘em with no lines, sit in your recliner and enjoy Chip and Joe!

Mr. Snarky

November 14th, 2012
9:47 pm

Traffic sucks everywhere in Atlanta, so unless you happen to live near the stadium it is going to be inconvenient. The best solution is to have it near transit so fewer cars have to be on the road for people going there. Land not near the ‘hood is going to be prohibitively expensive or in the middle of nowhere. Intown population is now growing faster than the suburbs, so it would be great to harness that growth and develop the parking wasteland that only generates economic activity 81 days a year.

It shouldn’t be a boondoggle though and must be funded privately.

Mr. Snarky

November 14th, 2012
9:50 pm

The best stadiums are in neighborhoods…see Wrigleyville and Fenway. Perhaps with smart planning and investment we could have that someday…wouldn’t bet on it though.

Matt the Brave

November 14th, 2012
9:51 pm

2 things need to happen for the Braves to be viable where they are: 1) build a rail line to the front door of the stadium. 2) force Cobb County to have a light rail at least to Marietta. Neither of those things will ever happen, though.

tmc

November 14th, 2012
9:52 pm

New Headline:

That’s funny cause the fans would like to see the product INSIDE Turner Field improve!

BigGTMike

November 14th, 2012
10:00 pm

Go north and profit!!! The first team between Braves and Falcons to get out of downtown will profit greatly!!

755

November 14th, 2012
10:01 pm

SOUNDS LIKE WHITE FOLKS AFRAID TO BE AROUND BLACK FOLKS. GO OBAMA

Put_It_In Cobb

November 14th, 2012
10:01 pm

Put it in Cobb County some where between all of KSU’s growth this is the county area where things are moving, If you put it where the fans live maybe you’ll get good weeknight attendance instead of downtown where no one lives and no one wants to be at night.

JD

November 14th, 2012
10:02 pm

South of Atlanta!

Tree Rollins

November 14th, 2012
10:02 pm

Atlanta is stupid – stop with the stupid new stadiums! I don’t want a Super Bowl here and will not go. The dumb stadiums should never have been built downtown- all the paying fans are up North. But everyone was screaming racism – keep them downtown where we can employ ‘our people’. Well, this is Atlanta, the politicians got what they asked for – now use the stupid stadiums we’ve got and shut up already!!!

patman

November 14th, 2012
10:12 pm

doraville’s abandoned gm plant problem solved

Tree Rollins

November 14th, 2012
10:12 pm

Now – you want to talk about our stupid airport? Exact same problem and exact same racism claims keep us from building a second one up North where most of the travelers come from daily. It’s never going to change, stop the whining, this is Atlanta and this is the way it will always be with our mayors and city politicians. We might as well put Marion Berry in charge or Ray Negin – it’s a chocolate city – deal with it. Take MARTA – it’s smarter – hah, bring your gun.

BigGTMike

November 14th, 2012
10:14 pm

It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with travel logistics.

Tree Rollins

November 14th, 2012
10:15 pm

Arthur Blank, if you want a new stadium, build it with your own money. If you don’t like it, move your stinkin’ team to LA!

Old Atlantan

November 14th, 2012
10:17 pm

Surprised the Gulch was not mentioned in this nonsense

Tree Rollins

November 14th, 2012
10:18 pm

BigMike – this ain’t a UPS commercial

sldkfjslk

November 14th, 2012
10:19 pm

I live in Northeast Dekalb and it takes a mere 25 minutes to get home from the parking lot at most. If y’all made the choice to move to north bumble@#$% then that’s on you. Turner field is easy to get to and from. It’s our lame “fans” who complain about everything and never show up that’s the problem.

Tree Rollins

November 14th, 2012
10:20 pm

I think the Gulch is one of the safest, friendliest tailgating areas I know – just short of Harlem.

Tree Rollins

November 14th, 2012
10:22 pm

Sldk – that’s the spirit – be happy with what we’ve got. She may not be pretty but she’s mine.

Southern Boy

November 14th, 2012
10:24 pm

They don’t need a new stadium. They just need to raze a few of the buildings along Georgia Avenue, and get a Marta extension built, and all will be well.

bigdawgga111

November 14th, 2012
10:24 pm

first of all im from south ga,ive traveld four hrs to see the braves 6 times in the last 6 yrs,i will continue to go once a yr. but i dont think anyone can honestly argue that the area surrounding the stadium isant a DUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! white,black, its a sess-pool, and to be clear there are sess-pools for neighborhoods with white people living in them as well. if you truly love the team you want them to be in the best location possible to generate revenue so that the team can spend more money to put a winning product on the field. there is no question there needs to either be development or relocation in this situation.but my solution is to sell the braves to marc cuban and let him build a jerry jones palace for the braves wherever he wants as long as its in ga.as far as the falcons and taxpayer dollars,the ga govt is gonna spend the money either way,and for you people who say we have enough problems already we shouldnt be spending money on a stadium,you act like the money is gonna find its way tou you somehow,you elected them now let them spend it.

bigdawgga111

November 14th, 2012
10:28 pm

and tree rollins, you should take the gun you travel with on marta and shoot yourself in the face,
you sound like an idiot.

gy6

November 14th, 2012
10:30 pm

or, you could improve the baseball for the same money. Typical dem shuck and jive.

Hi Angus

November 14th, 2012
10:32 pm

Hi Angus- Jim here. Ready to tee it up next week in the Candler Turkey Day Classic?

Katie

November 14th, 2012
10:35 pm

Move the stadium to the ‘burbs!? They are the ATLANTA Braves. Not the Marietta Braves, the Roswell Braves, or the Lawrenceville Braves. The stadium belongs in ATLANTA.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 14th, 2012
10:36 pm

The first ten comments are all you need to know about why moving the Braves to some suburb is foolish.

“Move the Braves Stadium to Cobb or at least north of the connector.”

“Move it up north to Alpharetta/Roswell.”

“On behalf of the citizens of Coweta County, we are inviting the Braves to move here.”

Guess what — if you move the stadium to any one of those suburbs, the commute to the game becomes longer for anyone living in any of the other suburbs.

As an example, where I used to live in Gwinnett, Turner Field is a shorter drive than any of those places. Turner is typically 25-30 minutes. Alpharetta is at least 30, and Cobb and Coweta are considerably longer.

Turner Field and every other business that wants to attract a lot of people is properly located within the city, or at least inside the perimeter. That is where you minimize the average commute for all the suburbanites and allow the residents of the city to make it to the game easily. Ask the Gwinnett Braves how their attendance is doing out in the boondocks.

I admit that Turner’s location within the city kinda sucks, but a redevelopment project in that sprawling parking area is a great idea and a much better use of tax dollars than a new Falcons stadium.

lbc

November 14th, 2012
10:38 pm

Since the Georgia Dome is 20 years old and obviously a piece of crap that needs to be replaced by the time it turns 25, doesn’t that mean that we need to start thinking about replacing Turner Field in about 10 years since it’s already 16 years old?

This con job that the NFL and the Falcons are pulling on this state is disgusting. And I’m a huge sports fan.

lbc

November 14th, 2012
10:42 pm

Remember, if a Marta extension was built to the stadium, the lawmakers wouldn’t continue to get the kickbacks from the parking revenue. That little deal would be off. Are you sure we want that?

kevinofconyers

November 14th, 2012
10:43 pm

Nicholas- if you think the Braves are profitable without us “suburbanites” you’re way off. I didn’t say move it to Rockdale- I said stay central to all of metro ATL. smh.

drew

November 14th, 2012
10:43 pm

Gone are the days of actually remaining in a stadium for years (Cubs, Red Sox)….I suggest all sports teams build their NEW AND IMPROVED stadiums out of Lego’s….when they get tired of it they can just build something new.

Delbert D.

November 14th, 2012
10:46 pm

With the advent of high definition, sports are better on TV. Another couple of decades, the players will be digital creations.

Angus

November 14th, 2012
10:52 pm

Hi Angus – I think you’re talking about a different Angus. I have played Candler quite a few times and I am playing an annual thing next weekend – but not at Candler.

Roger Goodell

November 14th, 2012
10:52 pm

Is it too soon to start brainstorming about replacing the replacement stadium? The replacement stadium will be obsolete by 2035 and I just want to get it on the radar.

Also, please don’t take away our league’s tax-exempt, non-profit status.

Angus

November 14th, 2012
10:54 pm

Back to the subject at hand: of those actually discussing the subject at hand, there seems to be a good majority that believe transit is the key – and I agree. I’m not sure how you sell that location without it.

Dr. Rounds

November 14th, 2012
11:16 pm

I go to Fenway Park 3-4 times per year, and Wrigley Field about every other year. Love going there. Get a hotel on the subway lines, they drop you off at the stadium and great neighborhoods to hang out in before and after the games. Never rent a car. Have no interest in driving to Turner Field nor taking MARTA and walking a mile crossing busy streets in 90 degree heat. Move the stadium into a better part of downtown/Midtown close to MARTA and I will start going to some games. I don’t like the idea of moving it into the suburbs like the Rangers stadium. All the great stadiums now are close or in downtown — San Francisco, Seattle, San Diego, Detroit, Chicago Cubs, Washington Nationals, Yankees, St. Louis, Arizona, and Colorado. Even Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Milwaukee aren’t bad.

Kris

November 14th, 2012
11:18 pm

Problem Solved…Atlanta keeps reed and shady.

Peacefully grant the City of Atlanta leave to withdraw from the State of Georgia and remain part of the United States

The City of Atlanta continues to suffer deprivations of economic, civil, religious, and political freedoms imposed upon it by Georgians (who are hostile to Atlanta).

In the event that Georgia is successful in its effort to secede from the Union, we the people of Atlanta wish to remain in the United States. We love our country. We are dedicated to it. And we are committed to preserving its rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers.

We would also like to annex Athens, Georgia, Decatur, Georgia and the parts of Macon, Georgia made famous by the Allman Brothers.
Created: Nov 13, 2012

Tree Rollins

November 14th, 2012
11:19 pm

We don’t need any new stadium – the ones we have are fine! We do need a new Braves and Hawks team – as in playa’s!

The Hammer

November 14th, 2012
11:22 pm

In order to make transit work, and I mean REALLY work, you have to eliminate transfers. People hate transfers. So, there would have to be a line that went from North Springs to Five Points (like there is now), with a turn to the east, through the Ga State station, then down south, on or under Capitol Ave/Hank Aaron Dr. That would require some major work, and is cost prohibitive. Quite frankly, there’s no real way to get transit to REALLY work. The next best alternatives are to either make people transfer to a streetcar at Five Points, and follow some route similar to the current bus shuttle, or, save a lot in construction costs, and make people transfer once at Five Points to go east to Ga State, then transfer again to go down Capitol Ave/Hank Aaron Dr. Compare this to the Red Line in Chicago, which has the Addison Street stop directly next to Wrigley Field. The equivalent in Atlanta would have been building the stadium directly adjacent to Lindbergh Center station, which would have been a great idea.

Tree Rollins

November 14th, 2012
11:23 pm

Kris, I grant you the rights to the City of Atlanta and the buffoons that have run it for years. You can keep the assets there and we’ll build a moat around it to keep you in and us out.

Kris

November 14th, 2012
11:26 pm

Tree….No thanks…

Tree Rollins

November 14th, 2012
11:28 pm

Hey Hammer, and if there was a Cheetah on the moon, we’d all go there together and have drinks!

The fact is we have stadiums now – if teams are compelling, we’ll go there to watch them regardless of the stinky location our politicians chose – and vice versa.

Mike Lum

November 14th, 2012
11:31 pm

Hey tmc: the product inside Turner Field won 94 games this season…one of the best records in baseball. They did it with a payroll half that of several teams, like the last-place Phillies or the choking Yankees. The Braves had another great season despite having to totally rework thier starting rotation due to injury and ineffectiveness.

Now the Braves are proposing solutions to the delapidated neighborhood they’ve been forced to play in, and are willing to pony up a good chunk of the resources…instead of leaving for greener pastures. And this is on top of the several inner city baseball leagues they’ve been funding for years. Sounds like the Braves are better Atlanta citizens than most.

Tree Rollins

November 14th, 2012
11:37 pm

The Braves fans showed their appreciation for this ‘great’ Braves team with their bottles and glasses during the playoff game – that was their ‘toast’ to the great teams of the last few years. And if we’re so poor, why do we waste $12M on Brian McCann when we’re not sure if he can even play any more?? That’s your geniuses at work – and meanwhile we need a new stadium so the fans will go to the games – jeesh!

Jason in Gainesville

November 14th, 2012
11:38 pm

How come teams used to play baseball in their stadiums for a hundred years, now we feel compelled to build and tear down stadiums every 20 years?

claudell washington

November 14th, 2012
11:39 pm

Baseball sucks!!…let em move back to Milwaukee

bob

November 14th, 2012
11:43 pm

Yeah, didnt shirley franklin spend over $3 million of tax money on this crap? With the same result, local crackheads infesting the area and bums sleeping nearby?

You want to fix the area do what rudy did in times square, deploy hundreds of police down there to make life uncomfortable for the unsavory elements of life.

Tree Rollins

November 14th, 2012
11:45 pm

Bring back the Monster Trucks and the mountains of mud. Tear down useless MARTA and stop wasting money on it. Get rid of the overpaid and whiney players! And have police escorts walk us to our cars in these nasty stadium areas after the games. And quit selling rot-gut Bud everywhere and bring in some good beer. And ther’s my Gran Torino view of this Atlanta stadium situation!

Kujohn

November 14th, 2012
11:56 pm

Poor TD I think he is up set Mittens lost The election Looks like the moochers won over the redneck Bigots
I wonder if we will ever have an old white republican president again
Prob not. Hahahaha Old white bigots like TD (the new minority)

Kujohn

November 15th, 2012
12:17 am

Enter your comments
Hey TD
How bout all those moochers up north askin for federal money due to super storm Sandy
Why don’t they just suck it up And pull themselves up by their boot straps
Like you would do
People like you make me sick

tmc

November 15th, 2012
12:21 am

Hey Mike Lum-
How many playoff wins has this great team won the last few years? While you’re raggin on the Yankees (and I’m not a NYC fan) just ask yourself that.

And’ while the Braves continue to NOT spend money on a good bench or an additional bat or a catcher who actually produces… Their talking about spending money on the surrounding area for the fan experience?

How bout signing your best player to a long term contract? (Fans have been screaming to reward Prado for a couple years). How bout signing players on the bench who might actually contribute in a crucial situation?
I am a braves fan, but I’m sick and tired of being out spent by the likes of Minnesota, Milwaukee, St. Louis… and being to by the management that we are a “mid-market” team. And then read in the paper that they want to spend money and resources (another word for money) on the area surrounding the stadium.

Sorry, that just pisses me off.

John

November 15th, 2012
12:28 am

Stadium is in a crappy area. I don’t see any way to improve it. Access is terrible. The hood surrounding it is dangerous and unappealing. No train service to it. Why in the world would anyone go down there even if they built bars and restaurants?

Angry Baboon

November 15th, 2012
2:49 am

every person who defends the ghetto types who plague area’s near and around stadiums obviously don’t go to many games. i remember the thrashers and philip’s area..what a great place to see a hockey game..when you walk to your car the packs of “ghetto types” ask you for money and a ride, i had a dude in wheelchair ask me for money while i noticed he had on brand new nike’s. it was lots of fun.

chris

November 15th, 2012
2:51 am

needs to be by Marta rail transit station

Don

November 15th, 2012
3:43 am

The comments on this blog doesn’t surprise. 90% of all comments here are racially
tinged….absolutely pathetic!. I guess if you add a 1/2 wit white person with a 1/2 wit
black person you could equate that with 1 full fledged Atlanta idiot!

It doesn’t matter where you put a stadium because Atlanta will NEVER win Championships
with all the negative energy slung around at each other. If this is the city attitude we don’t
deserve one..

However, if a decision on a stadium is made it should be based on central access where people from north,east, south and west can converge on mass transit. That should be your starting point..
…..

Mr Greenjeans

November 15th, 2012
3:45 am

I am tired of local politicos/weasel barons robbing the people blind. There outta be a twenty year mandatory prison sentence on crooks like this!

HootyGoot

November 15th, 2012
5:00 am

Angus@ 8:10 PM — Not trying to argue, but would really like to know what the homes around the Zoo area would be worth minus property value?

Crime Watch

November 15th, 2012
5:26 am

MAKE IT SAFE!!! Not racist I just don’t like criminals.

davidinvirginia

November 15th, 2012
5:50 am

To hell with publicly funded corporate welfare. That’s all building a new stadium for any pro sports team amounts to. Let the big corporation and fat cats who own sports team build their own damn stadiums.

slimseville

November 15th, 2012
5:54 am

Moving any of the stadiums to the suburbs would be a god-awful idea. Traffic would be a nightmare because you’re moving them away from what little transit infrastructure does exist here.

Reverie

November 15th, 2012
6:24 am

The Braves sit in the middle of an urban cesspool. I attend ten games a year on my dime. I usually wind up with somewhere around five more games for various reasons. As much as we hated it, we accepted the Turner Field location because we had no power over the selection. Since they moved there a couple of things have happened which I can no longer deal with:
1. The Braves Shuttle: To transition between the train and the bus we are forced to walk through Underground Atlanta. How many of you have been to Underground in the last ten years? It is a nightmare akin to walking through an uncontrolled third-world bizarre. We are accosted from every direction by people trying to sell us things or panhandlers. The city and MARTA both refuse to listen to the riders protests and ridership fell disproportionate to the drop in attendance.
2. The Turner Field Neighborhood: The last time I went down to a game (the Chipper Jones Tribute Game) I had to park in a gypsy lot. As we got out of the car an argument on the street turned into a gun battle. Not one shot but many were flying around. I hustled my kid and my wife out of there, for sure. The argument can be made that it is out of control of the Braves but nobody can argue that this isn’t the responsibility of the APD. In the middle of a huge migration of fans heading toward the game a gun battle breaks out and APD does not even blink? Three blocks from the stadium in the middle of a pennant race, on one of the most attended events in Turner Field history, there simply isn’t enough police in the world to control this area.

Until Atlanta addresses the seediness of the Turner Field area, reroute the Braves Shuttle or give us a Train Station in the immediate area, my days as a Season Ticket holder are OVER. I was already committed to the upcoming season but intend to drop this after the season. I’m not afraid of other cultures. I’m not afraid of folks of another color. I am afraid of the lack of control over the crowds as well as the indifference the city and the Braves show towards the fans.

DHD

November 15th, 2012
6:26 am

The Braves need to get out of there. Trying to improve that area is like trying to improve Haiti. It ain’t happening.

Crime Watch

November 15th, 2012
6:35 am

They need to build a big fence around that area and have check points so the thugs cant’t get in.

Nativebird

November 15th, 2012
6:52 am

The simple fact that a fully functioning line of the MARTA rail line was and has never been delivered to this City’s baseball park is a travesty and debacle larger than any in this city’s history. A abject crystal clear indictment on the inability of this metro area’s political class to do anything of consequence that benefits the citizens of this region. A joke.

Angus

November 15th, 2012
7:09 am

Hooty – 1/3-1/2 acre lots go from $40k-$80k. Does that answer your question?

South GA Food Taxer

November 15th, 2012
7:55 am

I think both stadiums should be built south of Macon, and a rail line from Atlanta should serve them. That way, south Georgia could get some of that tax money. Oh, and both teams should change their name to the Georgia Braves and Falcons. Every game I go to, there’s as many from outside atlanta at the game as there are people from atlanta.

Cecil34

November 15th, 2012
8:39 am

This is hilarious to me to read….

Here is the deal:

Ivan Allen and his cronies bushwacked everyone on the southside to put that stadium in because they did not want to “disturb” any of their buddies by building it in a more advantageous location, plus it was the cheapest move to make.

They had absolutely no regard for the long-term consequences of putting the stadium, and thus the Braves, in such an “economically challenged” area that was unsafe to the fans. This is fact.

In the following years, Braves management tried to extricate themselves from this location and Atlanta politicians strong-armed and cajoled them into remaining in that “economically challenged” area of town through various deals, some above-board, others not so much.

An area of town that the majority of the Braves patrons do not want to come within 20 miles of.

So they have the Olympics there and build a new stadium there and promised all this social and economic “re-vitalization” that would take place in the vacinity. They did well with that didn’t they?

Bottom line:

This location has been a cesspool since the beginning and no matter how much money is thrown at it, will continue to be a cesspool.

Atlanta attendance will continue to decline from the heyday of the 90’s, in no small part to two things: Reduction of native Atlantans who care about the Braves and american baseball, and having to drive from the northside (where most fans come from) to the southside.

Mike Lum

November 15th, 2012
8:44 am

A catcher that produces? McCann out-produces every other catcher in baseball for six straight years, then plays hurt and has an off year. Fans want to discard him, when he obviously needed surgery. Once healthy, there’s no reason not to expect him to return to all-star form next year.

The Braves have $27 million to spend rebuilding the bench and on the two open outfield spots. It’s only mid-November. The World Series just ended a few weeks ago. The Winter Meetings aren’t until December, and Spring Training doesn’t start until mid-February. So there’s plenty of time to sign players, and no reason to rush. So far there have been only two major transactions. A career American Leaguer signed with a AL team, and one of our division rivals traded to a team outside our division. The Braves let go two once productive bench players (Hinske and Diaz) and will replace them with more productive players.

Even if the national media ignores the Braves, next season they should again be one of the most competitive teams in baseball. If all fans expect a world championship every year, 97% will be disappointed and frustrated.

Jo

November 15th, 2012
8:52 am

Georgia Dome and Turner Field are in the worst two places possible to go see a game for the brunt of the people that actually go to games (the suburbanites)…The Falcons could truly build a dynasty if they moved out of that God awfull GWCC Campus. Same for the Bravos. People that will actually spend money do not want to deal with the hassle it is of going to these two venues…But I guess we’ll go ahead and allow for there to be a new football stadium built right over where the sufficient one now is…Glad I dont have to pay taxes there!

ChillyMutt

November 15th, 2012
8:55 am

Turner field is an excellent stadium for watching baseball. the Braves don’t need a new baseball stadium and they certainly don’t need another Atlantic Station. A MARTA RAIL spur would solve 3/4 of the issues some have with Turner Field. The key here is RAIL not BUS. Trying to take a bus to Turner Field is confusing, uncomfortable, and inefficient. And trying to manufacture the Turner Field area into a 12 month entertainment center would end in failure. Atlanta should focus on Turner Field’s strengths and build on those instead of trying to make it another Wriggly or Fenway.

MitchC

November 15th, 2012
8:59 am

I’m a regular blogger on the ajc’s sportswriters blogs, and I cant believe I’m reading this.

I’ve been a loyal Braves fan for 30 years, but I happen to live in NY. Turner Field will be going into its 17th season next year. With all the problems in our country today, how can anyone think of replacing a 17 year old stadium? The whole “bad neighborhood” thing is a lame argument. Yankee Stadium has been in the South Bronx for 90 years, which was at one time one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the city of NY. They got a new stadium when the original one was.. 86 years old, and have learned to adapt.

I say, make improvements, and live with the stadium the Braves have. The millionaires will just have to learn to adapt.,

Big Jim

November 15th, 2012
9:07 am

A people mover from Marta, or some type of service other than buses, directly to the Braves stadium is needed. True community involvement (not the old guard) will assist with ideas that will work for everyone (both the people who live here and the fans).

Lisa

November 15th, 2012
9:11 am

If they’re going to replace all the seats, they could get more comfortable ones. Those are awful! And they could stand to be a bit larger too.

just me

November 15th, 2012
9:11 am

You can throw all sorts of money at the Turner Field surrounding “neighborhood”, but if the same people still occupy the area it won’t be long until it reverts to what it is now. We have heard this drivel for many years in Atlanta, but it hasn’t worked anywhere it has been tried. Might as well use the money to fill potholes and fix the sewers. Downtown Atlanta is what it is and won’t change.

ideas

November 15th, 2012
9:19 am

Hey Mr. Snarky. First of all you want the stadium to be built with private money but you want it near PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION which is provided mostly by the TAXES of the PUBLIC. Is that an Oxymoron or what. Use Public money for transportation but by God you better not use Public money for a stadium. Lets put some reason into this. Put the statdium in place of the old GM plant. It will be next to a Marta Line, in between 400 and I75 but on I285 where it would have access to all points, east or west.

bill

November 15th, 2012
9:23 am

Atlanta you tried that BS and it could not even support a minigolf course. Wise up and just play baseball. As for the Falcons ten dollar Arthur blank is gone. Remember tho he was the number one jock sniffer of Mike Vick so his judgement must be real good.

bill

November 15th, 2012
9:26 am

Use the wasted 100 million going into light rail to the MLK memorial to build something useful. White people don’t ride MARTA because we are all on our way to Hell so says Joseph Lowery.

Carl Rove

November 15th, 2012
9:26 am

Karl Marx is just jealous. Karl get off your *ss and work hard for a change. You must have voted for Obama

Reason

November 15th, 2012
9:29 am

Read the article, people! This article HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MOVING THE TEAM!! This is about resurrecting the area around the stadium. TADs, which would be used to fund the project, are quite simple and very effective. Let’s say a piece of land generates $1,000 in property taxes for the community. And then a developer proposes an entertainment district on that property, and at full build-out, it will generate $10,000 in property taxes. Simple math says that the community is $9,000 better off than before. That $9,000 would be used to pay for the project. The community isn’t losing anything. NOTHING. But they have a new entertainment district and a nicer community. WIN-WIN.

So, for this story – add a few 000 to that example and you can clearly see why something like Atlantic Station worked.

Or for people who don’t like math – imagine picking up the entire Atlantic Station development and dropping it next to the stadium … for free. Good thing or bad thing?

want to go but....

November 15th, 2012
9:29 am

Dear Braves fans ..it is what it is. Same old politices in same old place. The place is little Korea at night the main reason I don’t go and others don’t go. Build all you wish but till the place,drugs, thiefs etc are cleaned up..forget it.
Move it to a safe place……….

DannyX

November 15th, 2012
9:37 am

For all you suburbanites afraid to go to a game in Atlanta, when you come up with a proposal to move the team to your favorite suburb that has all of the charm that uour Wendy’s, McDonalds, Walgrens, Burger King, CVS, Taco Bell, Kinko’s, Ekards, Shell, rotation provides, please answer 2 important questions.

1- How are you tax hating Tea Party loving people going to pay for your new suburban stadiums? A hotel tax in Gwinnett or Cobb would bring in $100,000 of the billion needed for a new baseball stadium, LOL.

2- How are you going to get there, you tax hating Tea Party loving suburbanites won’t even raise taxes for transportation. You want to stick a stadium in the middle of your limited access traffic Hell??

Please explain these mysteries.

dick whiskey

November 15th, 2012
9:46 am

i live in cherokee co. and refuse to go into the ATL, to many “thugs” and to many homeless bums hitting you up for money,and for some reason always feel that i could be mugged at any moment by some “thug”,would probably feel safer in iraq or iran than in the ATL with the “brotha’s”

LeTwan Anthony

November 15th, 2012
9:50 am

Mama makes pies and sometimes she will sell them downtown but we have to stand watch over the cash box when we are down there because thugs will sometimes try to grab Mama’s money right off the table. So, LeTwan will go down there with Mama on the days she sells her pies to protect her and to eat some pie that comes with the job. LeTwan’s Mama makes the best pies in town. What does this have to do with the Braves’ thoughts to improve the stadium area? LeTwan is just saying that an Atlantic Station-like development around the stadium won’t attract as many baseball fans as it will some of the urban legends already present in the area. Now, LeTwan doesn’t mind sharing the experience but LeTwan is not interested in sharing the contents of LeTwan’s wallet or automobile when LeTwan is down there.

Ivan

November 15th, 2012
9:55 am

If you make the parking lots mixed-use, where am I going to park (don’t say take Marta, not a chance)?

Plus, will we still be in the National league once we secede?

Ralph Kramden

November 15th, 2012
9:56 am

Move the team to Macon and build the stadium here. We could pack in 3,500-4,000 a night and park them about a 1/2 to mile away. Come on, give Macon another chance.

buckhead benny

November 15th, 2012
9:59 am

I agree- I would like to see the Braves build out in Alpharetta area- talk about packing the stadium every game or Gwinett- It is a perfect environment for it and many other major markets are in the suburbs, i.e. Dallas Cowboys, New England Patriots, and soon to be San Francisco 49′ers- I don’t know which baseball teams area but if these major NFL franchises can no one likes taking their kids from suburbia and parking in downtown Atlanta, 82 times a year- that is better suited for the burbs- Falcons play 8 games there basically- HUGE DIFFERENCE

You may cry oh its not good for downtown Atlanta- well that’s downtown Atlanta’s problem not the majority of the fans-

The Major

November 15th, 2012
10:01 am

Who is going to pay the 30 Deep Gang to move?

DannyX

November 15th, 2012
10:02 am

Hey buckhead benny…

1- How are you tax hating Tea Party loving people going to pay for your new suburban stadiums? A hotel tax in Gwinnett or Cobb would bring in $100,000 of the billion needed for a new baseball stadium, LOL.

2- How are you going to get there, you tax hating Tea Party loving suburbanites won’t even raise taxes for transportation. You want to stick a stadium in the middle of your limited access traffic Hell??

Please explain these mysteries.

joop

November 15th, 2012
10:04 am

I’d definitely go to more games if the stadium moved farther north, but that probably isn’t going to happen because of politics. If it stays where it is, the people mover would go a long way toward making the stadium more accessible. Ideally there would be a Marta station right outside the stadium similar to Wrigley.

Dawg Guy

November 15th, 2012
10:10 am

The city is getting exactly what it deserves. Here’s an idea….let’s put the Olympic stadium, with the whole world watching in 1996, in the roughest, seediest are of town we can find so city brass with the promise of revitalizing a neighborhood around it can line their pockets with Olympic funding. Who wants to drive from the north end of town (which i would argue is where the majority of local Braves fans reside), sit in traffic for 2 hours, to get to a stadium and deal with this neighborhood that has no other redeeming qualities past the baseball game? Follow the money back in the 90’s and I bet you can see why the stadium sits where it does.

tmc

November 15th, 2012
10:13 am

One major problem no one talks about is the routing of traffic around the stadium. It’s horrible. From the buses load and unload area to where the cops won’t let you drive to get to a highway. They place cones in area’s to make cars take longer to get out of the area…
This all contributes to more aggravation attending a game.

@mike lum your’re trippin if you think McCann has only had one bad year.

zeke

November 15th, 2012
10:13 am

Limited parking now! What will it be if the lots are “developed” leaving no parking? Parking decks, GOD forbid! Fans forced to use the scum of marta? Your attendance will drop, meaning you revenue will drop, meaning you will want an all new stadium, meaning goodbye Braves!!!

Steve762

November 15th, 2012
10:18 am

Anybody ever been to a game at Fenway? Totally different atmosphere. Surrounded by bars and restaurants, it’s a big party scene all around the stadium. Boston’s subway’s right next to the ballpark. Turner Field is surrounded by parking lots and ghetto housing. Nobody wants to get to the game early or stay late, No reason to do so.

JR

November 15th, 2012
10:21 am

If done right, this could have a very positive impace on Atlanta. And as someone who lives in Gwinnett County, I like the Braves right where they are. I would only ask for better access to the stadium (such as direct Marta access). If Atlanta ever gets another NHL team, Gwinnett Arena would be the ideal location. But MLB, NFL, and NBA need to be right in the heart of the city.

billy bob

November 15th, 2012
10:28 am

i am white and i would probably feel safer walking thru a den of hungry lions or swimming the ocean with a bunch of hungry sharks or stepping thru a bunch of rattlesnakes than going downtown with the violent gangsta pistol packing bunch of scum they have on the streets

Tee Off

November 15th, 2012
10:33 am

Why would you invest in an Atlantic Station type of development so close to a notorious crime ridden area. That would never work! Why do you think no one has tried this before with the deserted buildings on GA Ave just east of the stadium. I could see this plan having some short term succes but it wouldn’t take long for a group of thugs to start doing their thing and a few murders later everyone is scared to step near the place unless its game day. No investor is going to take a chance when they only have 82 home games a season and then a disaster area the remainder of the year. Unfortunately for Atlanta the city will always be held back from his full potential by the crime in this town. We have a great city and I’ve lived here for 35 years and hopefully will never move but a decision to waste tax payers money to build around Turner Field is a waste of time of time. Now moving it to a safer location would be a great decision.

Bryan -- MARTA Supporter

November 15th, 2012
10:34 am

They area definitely needs to be redeveloped and made denser. This is where the heavy rail extension to Turner Field (per the T-SPLOST) would have been extremely important. This would lead to a very dense TOD and even possibly some high rise hotels and condo (maybe 20-30 stories). This could have been a new section of downtown and would have been made popular just because of the proximity to downtown and Midtown and to transit (with the HRT extension from the Garnett station). This would lead to an I-20 line that would end at Stonecrest Mall and could connect to the current Blue line at the planned Wesley Chapel station. This would also possibly promote a street car line to Grant Park/Zoo Atlanta an the surrounding area. The Turner Field development would not only help the immediate area around the stadium but deveopment through out Dekalb along the I-20 corridor. Here is a good link for a proposal for the area.

http://www.arch.gatech.edu/sites/default/files/StadiumPresentationOptimized2.pdf

Bryan -- MARTA Supporter

November 15th, 2012
10:45 am

And for all those talking about moving the stadium or not developing because of the area.

1) Major cities have their stadiums either in or near their downtowns. No one wants to drive 40 miles from the city to see a game. Great cities have great downtowns and urban cores and that starts with bring people into the city. This is the exact mindset that has caused ATL to have traffic issues now. “Lets build it new and all the way out in no mans land.” We need to keep everything within the core and near transit. Since you dummys in the burbs don’t want real transit and to waste your tax money on the crappy bus systems you have then stay out there and don’t worry about driving into the city. Fulton/Dekalb’s over 2.5 million are doing just fine without y’all!

2) The purpose of redeveloping areas into something nice is to transform the area into an area people want to come to and in turn getting rid of the crime. That has been happening all through out the city. Look at Summerhill right next to Turner. It has come a long way. That will spill over into the surrounding communities as well once real development comes to the sea of parking lots.

Big Country

November 15th, 2012
10:51 am

What sucks about Turner field…is getting to the game..and not having anythign to do outside of the stadium. I say move the Falcons across the street..and throw in a bunch of bars, restaurants, shops in the area. Make it more like Fenway, Shea, Coors. Place a Marta stop right outside to save on traffic and parking. Possibly put a Marta connection on the southside of the city, down near McDonough, that connects. Make the who area a gathering place 365 days a year. Atlanta is too damn spread out everywhere.

chris watson

November 15th, 2012
11:10 am

“move the team North to Roswell/Alpharetta”…..one word “MORON”. Just b/c you are stuck in crappy suburbia don’t try to drag the rest of us there. ALL major sports belong in the downtown district. Any other suggestion (especially Alpharetta (or Gwinnett)) is laughable. I don’t experience that bad of traffic driving to Turner Field for a 7:10 game during the week. I can guarantee the commute would be a lot worse for the majority of people if the stadium was in Gwinnett or Alpharetta like some genius on this blog suggested. People – if you live in those areas just do what most people in those areas do…go to Chili’s or some other crappy chain restaurant and drink crappy beer (Miller Lite, Bud Light, etc.) and watch the game on tv.

Move the team to Ellijay

November 15th, 2012
12:02 pm

I’d be able to get there easily, but it may be a longer drive for, you know, everyone that doesn’t live in Ellijay.

Arthur Blank and Roger Goodell

November 15th, 2012
12:03 pm

Dear citizens of Georgia,

Thanks for the new stadium.

Sincerely,
Arthur and Roger

Gman 84

November 15th, 2012
12:15 pm

The Olympics provided the Braves with a free stadium. If they can’t make that work from a P&L perspective, nothing else will.

Becoasue they insisted on building the stadium at the confluence of expressways downtown, there is no need to hang out 5 seconds longer than necessary. Now they are want to try to create a cool neighborhood vibe in the slum. At some point you have to realize; it is what it is and state officials who demand downtown venues need to accept it.

Urban Renewal

November 15th, 2012
12:22 pm

While we are at it, let’s rebuild Undergrand Atlanta. Really, if you throw some bars and restaurants downtown, people will flock there to spend money. Atlanta has such a great history of vibrant nightlife….oh, wait…nevermind

Braves Fan in DC

November 15th, 2012
12:48 pm

I’m a Braves fan that relocated to DC a couple years ago. The Nationals have a stadium very similar to Turner Field, but the outside experience is much better. It is two blocks from a Metro subway station, and there are bars and restaurants and new developments around the stadium. When the stadium was built, the area surrounding it was a sh*thole much like the area surrounding Turner Field.

DC’s economy is much stronger than Atlanta’s is right now, but what’s going on around the Nats stadium shows you that development around a stadium can occur. And you know what, a high percentage of the fanbase that attends the games lives in suburban Virginia and Maryland and they take the train into DC. How about that?

I say keep Turner Field (it’s perfectly fine) and develop the surrounding neighborhoods; but most importantly, build a connection to Marta in the vicinity.

$5 Brutus Drafts

November 15th, 2012
12:52 pm

B-b-b-but, downtown’s dangerous!

And not an Applebee’s in sight! Oh no!

EWga

November 15th, 2012
1:00 pm

I think Braves fan in DC hit the nail on the head. Build a Marta connection and develop the surrounding area. You’ll see a change.

But I think the Braves need to help fund the Marta connection, as well as invest in the surrounding area.

The Marta connection is key though b/c people from the northern suburbs need a way to get to the stadium on a weeknight without sitting in traffic inside the perimeter.

Dillon

November 15th, 2012
1:01 pm

there is an abandoned Ford plant just inside the perimeter on the north side. The land is developed already. Most fans live in that area anyway. Make the new stadium with about 10,000 fewer seats as Turner Field and I’d be willing to guarantee there would be sellouts MOST of the time.

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Love Braves Games

November 15th, 2012
1:05 pm

Braves games are a lot of fun. Think of the “cultural experience” that enjoy when you go:

-Homeless people accosting you near Underground Atlanta
-Homeless people at the overpass as you walk toward the stadium accosting you for money
-Local gangstas flashing gold teeth and firearms as you walk past them to get to the Ted
-Drug deals going down just three blocks from the stadium
-Potholes around the parking lots near the stadium
-Shots fired within 30 minutes of the game being over
-90% of residents near the stadium on welfare so no worries about self-improvements to the area
-80% of the mothers in the area have children with three or more men
-Since there are no places to eat or drink near the stadium, you can buy questionable homemade-food concoctions sold by illegal street vendors who don’t have food-handler permits

I get giddy just thinking about how well immersed in Atlanta culture I will be after attending a Braves game.

Dejay

November 15th, 2012
1:08 pm

Well, don’t we have a juicy topic to discuss here….

First of all, forget about building a new ballpark on the north side of the metro area. If most folks posting here are already whining about tax $$$ being spent on stadium construction, who’s going to foot the bill for a stadium WITHOUT the hotel/motel tax being added in? And who’s going to pitch in for the infrastructure that’s needed in terms of parking, transportation, sidewalks, et al? What, you thought that Liberty Media was going to kick in some $$$ to pay for it? Those clowns are still trying to pinch pennies to bring in a left fielder. Talk about selling a bridge in Brooklyn time.

Anyone who’s been here awhile know that the original stadium (Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium for you newbies out there) was put in a spot that was already blighted to begin with. Speaking of blighted, do you know that one of the sites that was considered for AFCS was where Aaron’s Amphitheatre and Lakewood Stadium currently is? Folks want to complain about the area surrounding Turner Field? Try watching Braves baseball in the shadows of Carver Homes, Stewart Avenue (now Metropolitan Parkway), Polar Rock, and Lakewood Heights and see how much you would’ve liked it.

Anyway, the Braves didn’t like the surrounding area when they moved from Milwaukee and still don’t like it today. So why didn’t they make such a big stink of it, especially after they started winning back in the early ’90s? Well, anyone who is still wondering why there hasn’t been ANY PUSH WHATSOEVER to build a MARTA spur linking that place to Five Points or at least to Georgia State hasn’t really thought things through. Has anyone thought of putting out an open records request on the parking revenue from the lots around Turner Field and what kickbacks the Braves have collected over the years, especially after the Falcons left for the Georgia Dome? Any wonder why there hasn’t been any desire to build around Turner Field and drive out the criminal element surrounding the venue? Could it be because the Braves wanted their customers to spend $$$ to park in their lots, more $$$ to buy food and drinks in their ballpark, and not much more?

You have to ask yourselves this simple question; why now? Where was this drive to build around Turner Field when they were winning games that matter (i.e. in October)? Was Liberty Media the last to know that their ballpark was surrounded by some of the roughest neighborhoods in the city? They didn’t get the memo?

In order for this talked about project, the drug-infested, crime-ridden, impoverished areas will have to be weeded out and rebuilt; plain and simple. Take a look at Centennial Park; anyone who’s lived here awhile remembers how dangerous that area used to be before the Olympics arrived. Ask any Hawks fan how much fun they used to have after leaving the old Omni to get back to their cars and they’ll vouch for me. The same thing that was done to take down Carver Homes, Techwood Homes, and so on will have to be done well before new development can be thought of let alone completed.

Until they can drive out the unsavory elements around the place, putting up an Atlantic Station-esque project won’t do much good. The shady folks living near the area will look at that place like a dartboard champion looks at a bullseye. Anyone living there will be a living target, as well as the stores, restaurants, and any other business that’s created there.

Change the environment first. Then change the area surrounding your venue…

I dropped my fried twinkie

November 15th, 2012
1:18 pm

It will be a ghetto in 4 years. Atlantic Station is Dangerous already.

LeTwan Anthony

November 15th, 2012
1:27 pm

LeTwan has lived in Atlanta and attended Braves games for a long time. One of LeTwan’s early memories is of being turned down a side street by police to turn around because they wouldn’t allow left turns into the parking lot. Well, LeTwan was in a line of cars waiting to turn around when somebody ran out the door of a little neighborhood grocery store and ran in front of LeTwan’s car and “pop” “pop” the grocer was running behind him shooting at him and LeTwan’s beautiful date was trying to climb under LeTwan’s front seat. LeTwan’s date didn’t want to hang around the stadium then and neither did LeTwan and LeTwan thinks nothing much has changed since then.

LeTwan Anthony

November 15th, 2012
1:38 pm

LeTwan and Mama were coming out of the old Omni a little ahead of the crowd one night and LeTwan and Mama walked over to the parking deck and started toward LeTwan’s car when suddenly some guy stepped out from behind a post and got in LeTwan’s face and demanded LeTwan’s money! LeTwan was taller than this guy and LeTwan put out his hand and pushed him real hard in the chest and the guy just started cursing LeTwan and threatening LeTwan and demanding LeTwan’s money but LeTwan was lucky the guy was not packing and that he didn’t like LeTwan pushing back. LeTwan and Mama got in LeTwan’s car and drove out the lot and onto the street and could find no policeman so LeTwan and Mama just went home and decided it might not be safe to go there again.

Braves Fan in DC

November 15th, 2012
1:46 pm

Let’s blow a sh*tload of money on a new stadium so that nobody has to go through the horribly traumatic experience of a homeless person asking for change on the 10-minute walk from their car to the stadium. Nobody, NOBODY should ever have to live through that kind of experience. Oh the humanity! Take me back to Elijay so a meth-head can ask me for money instead.

Weapons of Mis-Direction

November 15th, 2012
1:50 pm

Atlantic Station is NOT dangerous. Did the Cirque du Soliel performers scare you away, or was it the condo families pushing baby strollers on Market Street on the way to the IMAX theatre? Stop spreading lies about a place you never go to.

Pinetree

November 15th, 2012
2:09 pm

Dejay makes a good point. You have to wonder if the Braves actually want the revitalized surrounding area, Marta connection, and increased attendance. Seems like they’re saying one thing while still liking their current parking/food revenues. They can’t have it both ways.

bubba dupree

November 15th, 2012
2:23 pm

atlanta’s just to damn dark for me,aint no way in hell i’m goin down there

Washington Grant Adams Roosevelt Jr. IV

November 15th, 2012
3:04 pm

A great portion of Braves’ fans are regional. The Braves pull from north Florida, South Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina and Tennessee. In order to compete with other major market teams they must capture revenue from families that travel, stay overnight, eat, drink and would otherwise enjoy a MLB interactive environment offered in competitive markets. Those families simply won’t now and in our lifetimes will never lodge, dine and entertain anywhere near Turner Field….PERIOD. Our family is one of them…make a nice, safe, big league atmosphere and I’ll bring my wife and my boys as much as possible.

Frank

November 15th, 2012
3:15 pm

Oh boy, more crappy chain restaurant “development” in Atlanta.

Josh Fenderman

November 15th, 2012
3:17 pm

@Weapons of Mis-Direction Are you serious? Atlantic Station is a dangerous waste of space, not just from the people but from the cheaply built buildings and condos that re falling apart. No families live there, so you don’t have to worry about the strollers I guess.

Weapons of Mis-Direction

November 15th, 2012
3:50 pm

Plenty of families live in and around there. Atlantic Station beind “dangerous” amounts to a few people from the ‘burbs visiting once and seeing someone with saggy pants standing around. The largest brown field redevelopment is hardly a waste of space.

Josh Fenderman

November 15th, 2012
3:53 pm

hahaha you got suckered into buying a place there, didn’t you!?!?! hahahaha!!!!!

Roll Tide

November 15th, 2012
4:58 pm

3 words describe me bringing my family to stay overnight near Turner Field. It ain’t gonna happen. Oh wait…that’s four.

Milton

November 15th, 2012
7:25 pm

MARTA is the not the cure-all. It is not smarta, it sux. Customer service went the same way as common sense. I have seen them close lines down with 3 major events going downtown. Move the team north!!

black boortz

November 15th, 2012
7:40 pm

Why not move the Braves to the old GM plant in Doraville? Imagine the gridlock trying to get to a Friday night game for 7pm!! LOL

Bigwheel

November 15th, 2012
10:48 pm

I’m sorry but this idea of building *retail* and *restaurants* and *bars* and *living* will not create a better atmosphere to bring your family down to turner field. The fact of the matter is you have the WILD WEST that surrounds the entire stadium, where counterfeit and crimes run rapid. The only real problem here is we have ownership who isn’t committed to winning a World Series, they are only concerned about turning a profit, which I could understand. But lets face it, it could be worse. WE could be fans of a team that breaks promises, lies, and steals..

Speedy Gonzalez

November 15th, 2012
11:47 pm

We need a new owner, a new stadium,& a new location NOT in Fulton County! Somewhere on the north side makes most sense, that’s where the fan base is, they don’t like no stinking baseball in da hood anyway!