Woman who claimed affair with Herman Cain plans a book
Ginger White, the former metro Atlanta resident whose claims of an affair with Herman Cain helped force him from the GOP presidential race, now plans a book. In which she plans to describe the former candidate’s “physical attributes, scars and marks.”
Cain has strongly denied having anything other than a friendship with White. Here’s her just-posted video interview with Lauren Ashburn and Howard Kurtz:
Says White, with a more than slightly pecuniary lilt to her voice:
“Most men, especially in corporate America, or most married men oftentimes, start these extramarital affairs and then they’re like, ‘I’ve got everything I want and need. I’ve got a loving wife at home. I’ve got kids. And I’ve got a nice little hottie on the side, too.’
“My thing was, okay, I’ll take advantage of you before you take advantage of me. Let’s flip the script. I’m not gonna be your nice little hottie…You want to take my time away from my kids, my family, I’m going to make you sort of pay for it just a little bit. I know that sounds harsh.”
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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Georgia
October 24th, 2012
8:28 am
Pecuniary lilt……great stuff.
John
October 24th, 2012
8:37 am
“I’m not gonna be your nice little hottie”. Uh, reality check…….
honested
October 24th, 2012
8:38 am
Well, at least it will give mr ‘nein, nein, nein’ something to talk about for the 3 or four weeks his new radio show will exist.
Ostrich Racer
October 24th, 2012
8:50 am
Shocking.
Buford T. Justice
October 24th, 2012
8:51 am
Both of them should be ashamed of their behavior and apologize to the rest of us. Cain for lying to the American public and his immoral example and White for trying to make money off of her immoral behavior.
Have A Smile! ☺☻
October 24th, 2012
9:00 am
“Let’s flip the script. I’m not gonna be your nice little hottie…You want to take my time away from my kids, my family, I’m going to make you sort of pay for it just a little bit. I know that sounds harsh.”
Anyone who says “flip the script” is not someone to be taken seriously. And what a crass, retaliatory b|tch as well.
Aquagirl
October 24th, 2012
9:08 am
what a crass, retaliatory b|tch as well
I say good for her. If a married man is hitting on women while implying he’ll provide help in her career he needs a good slap in the….uh, face. She’s walking karma.
Creepy guys deserve crass, retaliatory smackdowns. If you prefer women who stay quiet and don’t retaliate then move to Afghanistan.
Whirled Peas
October 24th, 2012
9:19 am
All this attention from a paper which could not report the alleged rape of Juanita Broderick by Bill Clinton. Jim Galloway is a political hack disguised as a journalist.
markie mark
October 24th, 2012
9:24 am
I agree with Have a Smile….I dont see anywhere where Cain hurt her, this was two adults doing the wrong thing together……
markie mark
October 24th, 2012
9:27 am
“If a married man is hitting on women while implying he’ll provide help in her career he needs a good slap in the….uh, face. ”
Aquagirl, if that is how it happens, I agree….but from all accounts I have read, money changed hands. At that point, she is no better than he…..
Georgia
October 24th, 2012
9:38 am
Ginger or Maryanne?
South GA Food Taxer
October 24th, 2012
9:54 am
Both are guilty. She is extrordinarily crass and low to try to take monetary advantage of it. Just the kind of woman I like
Georgia
October 24th, 2012
9:55 am
I wonder if Ginger White has an older sister for me?
Aquagirl
October 24th, 2012
10:10 am
but from all accounts I have read, money changed hands. At that point, she is no better than he…..
Demand usually precedes supply. Maybe she’s the type of woman to initiate the exchange first. But given Mr. Cain’s string of sexual harassment complaints and subsequent tap dance he strikes me as the type who always has a line in the water, so to speak.
Don't Tread
October 24th, 2012
10:12 am
I won’t be buying the book. I could care less about Cain’s “physical attributes, scars and marks”.
Weetamoe
October 24th, 2012
10:22 am
Obama’s Mr Moneybags cast Romney as the villain in his propaganda film to be aired 2 days before the election on the National Geographic channel. This was too statist for even National Geographic, which insisted that those sections be redacted. Obama has been doing the equivalent of breaking glass and setting fires for a couple of years. As this behavior escalates, more people will begin to take notice.
Maude
October 24th, 2012
10:37 am
This is news why? The AJC seems to be having a hard time finding real news to write about.
BOB FROM ACCOUNT TEMPS
October 24th, 2012
10:46 am
she is a year too late to get that big payday she so desires
Jon Lester
October 24th, 2012
10:47 am
You know what will happen. It’ll come out, you’ll read the noteworthy excerpts in one entry, possibly here in Jim’s blog, and then you’ll forget about it without spending any money. She’ll burn through her advance and then notice sales aren’t that great, and Cain himself will go the way of Eagle’s Landing property values and quietly fade.
Pandora
October 24th, 2012
10:47 am
EEEWWWWW. Hermain Cain is so unattractive. This makes me want to puke!
The Maestro
October 24th, 2012
10:55 am
Anything that will get him off the air is fine with me. He is so painful to listen to….and I lean republican. Sounds like a preacher doing a sermon. It is horrible. Put Savage back on; the guy Cain replace some time ago.
The Maestro
October 24th, 2012
10:57 am
Maryanne, of course.
PALANA
October 24th, 2012
11:04 am
She just “came out of the woods” in time to ruin a good man’s opportunity to become a national leader. Hmmmm. I suppose the democrats dug her up from the hole she was hiding in, and now she thinks she is going to make a fortune off of something that is neither alraming to most of us nor anything other than a trivial and mundane opportunity to try and prosper off an act as old as history itself. Who cares???? I could care less that the man has done in private, I am just interested in how he could lead our country. I just think he would have been a 150% better choice as a candidate than Romney, and a 1000% better choice than Obama. Of course, Obama’s people knew it and that is probably why this lady got paid to come out; to erase the competition, because only a black man could stand a chance of beating Obama. And at least Cain is a smart black man, not a puppet.
Andre
October 24th, 2012
11:06 am
As someone wise once said, “drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you’ll find.”
Ginger White is a lady looking for money, and this so-called, tell-all book is her cash cow.
A quick check of the DeKalb County OJS shows that White saw no less than ten dispossessories filed against her in court. Dispossessories, for those who don’t know, are evictions. It means the landlord is kicking the tenant out of the residence for failure to pay the rent.
In addition, Ginger White recently had a judgment entered against her in the amount of $23,842.50. The judgment stemmed from a civil suit filed against White by Kimberly Vay, claiming that Ginger White libeled Vay through “defamatory emails” to business associates.
Plain and simple, Ginger White is not credible. She needs money. Some publisher offered White a check to tell her story, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Kimberly Vay seeks some or all of White’s book money to satisfy that $23K judgment.
Rhett Butler
October 24th, 2012
11:06 am
Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.
Jed
October 24th, 2012
11:10 am
“Flip the script.” hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahhahahahahahahahahahahhaha
She might as well just say, “Look, I don’t feel like working for a living, and maybe someone will actually buy this book.”
Call a spade...
October 24th, 2012
11:17 am
Andre
October 24th, 2012
11:06 am
If that’s the case let Cain sue also. But I doubt he will.
njp
October 24th, 2012
11:19 am
She just “came out of the woods” in time to ruin a good man’s opportunity to become a national leader. Hmmmm. I suppose the democrats dug her up from the hole she was hiding in, and now she thinks she is going to make a fortune off of something that is neither alraming to most of us nor anything other than a trivial and mundane opportunity to try and prosper off an act as old as history itself. Who cares???? I could care less that the man has done in private, I am just interested in how he could lead our country.
I so disagree with you. I think it was his Republican buddy, Neill Boortz. Something just ain’t right about that relationship. Herman (as a black man) was getting too big for his pants and the Republican machine stopped him dead in his tracks. As Herman always says, “We are not stupid”.
Monica
October 24th, 2012
11:21 am
Andre, darling, Cain sent her dozens of text messages in a middle of the night which she shared with the media and were sent from his phone number as was verified,
he admitted to giving her money, admitted his wife never met her and never heard of her (this is a woman who lives in the same town),
but most importantly: this is a woman who threw away any possibility for him to ever win a political office. He said his legal team was looking into a possibility of filing a lawsuit – after he was asked why not.
Guess what, he never filed anything. Andre, you’re either incredibly stupid or you simply don’t want to believe what you don’t want to believe. Just because the woman is shady, doesn’t mean he didn’t tap it.
dawggirl
October 24th, 2012
11:24 am
What trash. First you have to assume that she’s telling the truth and right now that’s a big assumption. Then, if she’s telling the truth, what’s the point in writing the book? IF there was an affair, she wasn’t dragged kicking and screaming into it. I haven’t heard Cain say anything mean or nasty about her, so the only reason to write this trash is to cash in on whatever idiots are willing to read it. The fact that she’s vindictive and spiteful makes her less credible, and the fact that she is claiming to be the other woman and she thinks she falls into the “hottie” category show that she might also have a judgment issue.
RCB
October 24th, 2012
11:26 am
Ms. White, have you absolutely no shame?
Miss J
October 24th, 2012
11:32 am
As Herman always says, “We are not stupid”.
No we are not BUT YOU ARE…
Why in the world would Herman run for President when he knew some of his skeltons would come out to harm him.
As far as the reason those two got together…it was simply a matter of biology. He was attacted to her and vise versa.
But because of society’s taboo about interacical dating Ginger has to “explain” why she dated Herman. PLEASE…………….
Give us a BREAK……………
Norris T.
October 24th, 2012
11:33 am
If you support Mr. Cain in light of his behavior, then that says an awful lot about your own moral standing.
PJN
October 24th, 2012
11:37 am
Well…..Mr. Cain, maybe next time you will think twice with your “other head” (the one with the brain in it) before you cheat! Don’t slam the woman, she was single, slam the married man!!
(Who incidentally, continues to still pretend to be a devoted “family” man!) yeh right…….
Susan
October 24th, 2012
11:39 am
I will never believe her, she is just trying to ruin a family and make money writing a book. She probably had a ghost writer. She is a bimbo, and only wanted money. Honey you are not a hottie. If you did have an affair, you took time away from your kids, your choice. Don’t blame Cain, you left the kids.
are you all serious?
October 24th, 2012
11:39 am
dawggirl…trash?? no, no, that’s the American way. Palin couldn’t take the heat so she just up and quit being gov. she saw the game and starting pimping Bristol and cashed in. Lewinsky knew what she was doing and cashed in. Even the no talent Kardashians cashed in on the O.J. scandal years later.
Droolin
October 24th, 2012
11:40 am
Am I the only one that doesn’t care about the alleged affair?? I just wanna get up on in this one…mmm hmmm.
Miss J
October 24th, 2012
11:40 am
Hey folks, sorry for the spelling errors, but it really pisses me off that this woman is trying to convince us that the only reason she dated Herman was “use” him.
Why did it take you several years to “use” him?
No you saw an opportunity to get your 15 minutes of fame and this is the way you’re doing it.
What’s next Playboy, and adult video, Jerry Springer ….PLEASE SIT DOWN and GO AWAY………………..
bigbill
October 24th, 2012
11:45 am
My family moved to Atlanta in 1953 when I was ten years old. So I can say that I grew up listening to WSB Radio which always announced that WSB stood for “Welcome south, brother!” For decades we listened to this wonderful, thoughtful, incisive guy, WSB Radio personality Aubrey Morris. I loved him. We all did. What a huge disappointment for all of us who remember WSB’s glory days, that WSB now offers us Herman Cain as its thoughtful, incisive radio talk show personality. Sad. Sad. Sad. We deserve better!
Miss J
October 24th, 2012
11:56 am
@ bigbill
I agree….but as you know TRASH TALK sells. Dragging each other down makes for good radio.
Neil admitted a few years ago that that was his JOB…to get folks to call in and disagree with this dribbles…..
You watch, once he is retired he will write his own book about some of the things he has stated in the past about Democrats, Blacks, Woman and Liberals were things he did not even believe himself but he had ratings to consider……
RogersParkRob
October 24th, 2012
11:58 am
If Cain was a Democrat, she would be a racist.
bigbill
October 24th, 2012
11:59 am
It occurs to me that I need to clarify my above comment as follows: sad, sad, sad that the once venerable WSB Radio station now offers us the negative, hard right-wing political extremism of Neal Boortz and Herman Cain, two radio personalities whose bile-filled broadcasts could never match WSB’s quality programming of yesteryear. Too bad for all its listeners. Thank you.
Miss J
October 24th, 2012
12:03 pm
@RogersParkRob
No if she was a racist she would have never laid down with the DOG in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gracie
October 24th, 2012
12:04 pm
I mourn for the trees that will give their life for a book that no one will read or care about.
Ginger … if you really think anyone cares then put it on Facebook & spend the $6 to promote it. Count the number of likes you get because no one is going to pay a dime for it.
mehlman rings twice
October 24th, 2012
12:05 pm
PALANA @ 11:04 am:
You’re forgetting one thing! Cain wasn’t winning or leading in any primaries. He wasn’t even a blip on the Obama radar screen.
SKE
October 24th, 2012
12:05 pm
Folks….stop protecting Mr Cain….He had a woman on the side and it has come back to bite him! Ask John Edwards, Jesse Jackson, Jim Hart, etc. Or shall I say, THEY have come back to get PAID!!!!! lololo
Been there, done that
October 24th, 2012
12:06 pm
Maybe I should go ahead and cash in on the affair I had with a very prominent pastor. Actually it was statutory rape because I was 16, he 42 and married, when he firt kissed me. If I wrote the book, it would set the Black Church on its ear. But…do I want to expose all my history? Truly it would sell. I battle with that–writing my memoir and name names.
Sometimes for the sake of healing, it helps to just get it out–tell it!
Miss J
October 24th, 2012
12:10 pm
@Been there, done that
You need to write this book to protect other young……..Hell you need to report this to the Police…you are probably not the only one and he could have his eyes on some more………
Ivan Cohen
October 24th, 2012
12:14 pm
Only this book to show for her encounter with Herman Cain. No talk radio program, no movie deal.
@SKE: I don’t know who Jim Hart is or was but I have heard of Gary Hart.
mehlman rings twice
October 24th, 2012
12:15 pm
SKE @ 12:05 pm
That would be Gary Hart.
Also, don’t forget John Ensign, Mark Sanford, John McCain, Jim Bakker, Earl Paultz, and Jimmy Swaggert.
Who is the Bigger Fool?
October 24th, 2012
12:15 pm
Answer: Ginger
Herman is a close second.
Men Will Never Learn
October 24th, 2012
12:19 pm
Because there is not connection with their penis, heart or brain. Has any man stayed faithful to his wife? If he has had even a dirty thought, he has sinned. Dirty thought = Dirty deed thus sin=sin. Don’t judge Cain or his concubine.
So What
October 24th, 2012
12:21 pm
At least Ginger White did the country a favor by exposing Mr 999 for being the hypocrite that he is. Cain was not what he had the republicans believing he was. Then again neither is Romney.
Realllllly, Ginger?
October 24th, 2012
12:27 pm
I think this was all about some gold diggin’. You’re mad at us for judging you? Really, Ginger!! How do you look in the mirror. You knew exactly what you were doing. There are droves of your type out there who are just out looking for a payday. Be satisified with the life that you can make for yourself! And if you chose to be a gold-diggin’ skank, then own it.
Ackshun
October 24th, 2012
12:39 pm
Herman should have coppd to it from the get go. I would have said hell yes I love WHITE WOMEN. IN FACT MY CURE FOR CANCER IS GODFATHER’S PIZZA and WHITE WOMEN. He should have owned up and stayed in the campaign.
Say what
October 24th, 2012
12:42 pm
@So what, and neither is Mr. Obama.
Andy
October 24th, 2012
12:43 pm
I’m willing to bet when its all said and done, Obama will have been found out to be on the Down Low.
Pointsofvision
October 24th, 2012
12:49 pm
By all accounts, this is going to be a worthless book from a useless POS. Herman Cain is NOT going to lose anything from the writing of this book as he already is a nobody, never to be heard from again in serious political or economic conversations.
This book should only sell enough copies for the national enquirer and the other yellow journalist outfits to print excerpts from. It will add no value to any aspect of life as both Herman and the lady are morally a setback to our Judeo Christian values.
She is even more of a duchebag than Mr. Cain because she is freely admitting that she is selling her stuff.
If people buy her book, all they are going to learn is the ABC of self prostitution.
short memories
October 24th, 2012
12:55 pm
They are both trash and I don’t feel sorry for either one of them. Nobody needs protecting from anybody. Just two people who should go away.
BMc
October 24th, 2012
12:56 pm
Wouldn’t you know! This is truly amazing and I was just thinking about this scenario yesterday after hearing his arrogant self on WSB AM radio. Mr. Preacher, who I allege seems to think that he is wiser and brighter than anyone else, really is beyond belief. Does he get down on his knees and pray daily or is he just one more of those unflattering characters that doesn’t really believe in the existence of God or even worse seem to think that he is above reproach, so good that he couldn’t possibly be one to receive criticism even from God. I often wonder how the parishioners of his church sit and listen to his bull. Yes, tell us about the scars and marks that his wife will surely know is the truth, although I doubt we can ever count on her to back you up. It’s hard to believe that you do not have any pictures from your travels. If you should ever be in the company of this bozo, some might allege compulsive liar, be wiser and get the facts and pictures and be removed from the label of being clueless.
Who is the next Atlanta "Housewife"?
October 24th, 2012
12:57 pm
Answer: Ginger
king of mean
October 24th, 2012
1:02 pm
Sounds like she needs a steady paycheck, I think we should make her the next ambassador to Libya. Room, board, travel, meal plan…
I voted for Newt – so…
Hermans Johnson
October 24th, 2012
1:15 pm
I think she has gone black and is desperate to get ol’ Herman back. In every photo or video, she has that sad, unsatisfied longing in her eyes. I bet Herman is hung like a horse and she will never be happy until she gets him back in sack.
BMc
October 24th, 2012
1:20 pm
Wouldn’t you know! This is truly amazing and I was just thinking about this scenario yesterday after hearing his arrogant self on WSB AM radio. Mr. Preacher, who I allege seems to think that he is wiser and brighter than anyone else, really is beyond belief. Does he get down on his knees and pray daily or is he just one more of those unflattering characters that doesn’t really believe in the existence of God or even worse seem to think that he is above reproach, so good that he couldn’t possibly be one to receive criticism even from God. I often wonder how the parishioners of his church sit and listen to his bull. Yes, tell us about the scars and marks that his wife will surely know is the truth, although I doubt we can ever count on her to back you up. It’s hard to believe that you do not have any pictures from your travels. If you should ever be in the company of this bozo, some might allege compulsive liar, be wiser get the facts and pictures and be removed from the label of being clueless.
Don Coyote
October 24th, 2012
1:54 pm
His 15 minutes are up as is her 10 seconds.
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JaneJJ
October 24th, 2012
2:22 pm
Ginger……go for it. I am sick and tired of these men doing whatever they want. Yes, she was part of the affair, but Herman should have had more respect for his marriage. The only thing that I hate about this mess is that the wife has probably been hurt enough. With the number of women who came forward, I’m sure the wife had to know of some of these affairs. Go for it Ginger. You might as well get something out of the deal rather than just being Herman’s little disgusting, low life. JUMP OFF.
jebbery
October 24th, 2012
2:31 pm
Gurl…you so classy, you and Herman both so classy.
Jack
October 24th, 2012
2:33 pm
totally shocking that now she wants to financially profit. Whether it is true or not, what self respecting woman has an affair then ‘comes out’ about it when it would get the most publicity. Then…. writes a book as soon as the publicity dies down. I think that says enough about her to not want to contribute to anymore of her financial endeavors.
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George
October 24th, 2012
6:32 pm
Hope No one reads it!
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G. Dailey
October 24th, 2012
7:57 pm
What are those blotches on her face? Could it be…the mark of Cain?
suza
October 24th, 2012
9:50 pm
AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!This woman flatters herself……..WHO CARES………….. She wants to talk scars, she must have read the same book I did, “This is Herman Cain”. All his physical scars are discussed in it. This is just another women looking for the SPOTLIGHT. Good book to look forward to is the Monica Lewinsky tell all……….Should be some interesting reading.
seekacougar_com
October 24th, 2012
10:30 pm
older women looking for younger men, with the woman eight or ten years older than the man, or more, turns out a big success, Sometimes, please find your true lover through my name.
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RAMZAD
October 24th, 2012
11:35 pm
I am delighted that you came out and left a knife stuck in his political ambitions, and a piece of barbed wire wrapped around the neck of his personal life. I will always be grateful to you.
Edmund Ruffin
October 25th, 2012
6:57 am
This is a story that deserves to die.
GaNative
October 25th, 2012
7:30 am
Ginger White is butt ugly. What makes her think she is a “Nice Little Hottie”????
GaNative
October 25th, 2012
7:38 am
Maybe she will detail in the book how many times Ole Herman flipped her over to bang her. She’s too ugly to be banged in the missionary position.
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