Did Joe Biden stop the Democratic bleeding?

The rolling, live blog from the evening’s fireworks:

Updated at 10:28 p.m.: We’re into closing statements. The quick 90-minute assessment? No one embarrassed himself.

Joe Biden surely gave Democrats confidence that the Barack Obama campaign hasn’t cratered — giving a good account of himself as a defender of the middle class. Best move: Staring straight into the camera and advising voters to “follow your instincts.”

Paul Ryan held his own, and wasn’t intimidated on foreign policy — a potential weak spot. His line of the night: “This is not what a real recovery looks like.”

From Nick Miller, the Emory University debate coach:

“I think Biden comes out ahead simply based on tone. Substantively, the debate was close, and Ryan came off as quite reasonable, but Biden brought the aggression that Obama lacked. Sometimes he verged on condescension, which could play poorly with undecided voters, but in terms of a demoralized Democratic base it will help. Biden’s personality won’t determine the election–his role was attack, and he performed that in both style and substance.”

Updated at 10:21 p.m.: Are you ever embarrassed by the tone of this political campaign?

Biden responds with a promise to take care of U.S. veterans. And says the military shouldn’t be thrown into the category of the 47 percent. Points to Super PACs. “It’s an abomination.” Segues into the economy and protecting the middle class. Accuses Romney of “slipshod” comments.

Ryan promises not to impose “devastating cuts on our military.” Accuses Obama of running a campaign of “attack, blame and defame.” And that promise to not raise taxes on the middle class? Most of Obamacare tax increases hit the middle class.

Replies Biden: “The two budgets the congressman has introduced everything the middle class cares about.”

Updated at 10:15 p.m.: Question for the two Catholic candidates: How does your religion determine your position on abortion?

Says Ryan: I can see how someone separates their private life from their public positions. Tells of going to get the ultrasound for their first kid. “I believe that life begins at conception,” he said. Says a Romney administration would upholds abortion exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother — which would make him pro-abortion in the eyes of Georgia Right to Life.

Accuses Obama of being “extreme” for semi-endorsing China’s one-child policy.

Says Biden: I refuse to impose my Catholic beliefs on others. Rebuffs any accusations of an Obama assault on the Catholic church. Notes that Ryan has tried to draw distinction between rape and forcible rape.

Ryan doesn’t respond to that. Repeats: “Exceptions of rape, incest and life of the mother.”

Says Nick the Debate Coach:

At last, Biden varies his tone. Abortion is of course the necessary place to do so, but he sustains it on campaign tone questions. 90 minutes of anger is too much. Ryan has done a good job maintaining a level attitude. Like in Denver, it’s cool versus fiery, but the roles have been reversed.

Updated at 10:07 p.m.: We interceded in Libya. Why not Syria?

Says Biden: Because it would blow up into a regional war. Condemns “all this loose talk” by Romney and Ryan. Almost quotes the Princess Bride: “The last thing this world needs is another ground war in the Middle East.”

Says Ryan: “No one is talking about sending U.S. troops into Syria.” Condemns out-sourcing of foreign policy to the U.N., where Vladimir Putin can control through vetoes.

The U.S. could more easily have identified friends and enemies a year ago, Ryan says.

What happens if Assad does not fall?

Says Ryan: “We should not have waited for Russia to give us the green light.”

Says Nick Miller of Emory:

“Biden is spending too much time directing his aggression toward the moderator instead of Ryan. Partially a problem with the seated format, which makes it difficult to directly address an opponent, partially its that Biden needs to vary his tone a little more, lest his aggression seem shrill.”

Updated at 10:02 p.m.: Paul Ryan on Afghanistan: A President Romney wouldn’t want to stay beyond 2014. But doesn’t want to set a firm timeline.

“What we don’t want to do is give our allies reasons to trust us less,” Ryan said.

Biden: “Forty-nine of our allies signed onto this.” The vice president says the timeline is necessarily to get the Afghan government to step up.

Updated at 9:52 p.m.: Flashback! Paul Ryan says both Ronald Reagan and Jack Kennedy lowered taxes, resulting in an increase in federal revenue.

“Now you’re Jack Kennedy?” Biden shoots.

Note from Shirley Franklin:

“Biden has been in key policy-making meetings for 20 plus years. he’s comfortable with topics, the policies, discussions. He remembers what Ryan said and has done. He remembers who said when and why.”

Ryan very impressive in name-dropping names of Afghan tribes.

Says Miller of Emory:

“I would have to think that Biden’s interruptions are a conscious tactic. Obama was flustered and didn’t respond well to comments that his campaign later said were false. Biden’s personality won’t swing the election either way–i think he’s willing to come off harshly if it allows him to challenge Romney/Ryan talking points.”

Updated at 9:45 p.m.: Who will pay more in taxes, and who will pay less if you’re elected?

Biden is up first: The middle class will pay slightly less, the rich will pay slightly more. Accuses Republicans of holding middle-class tax cuts “hostage” to tax cuts for the rich.

“This is unconscionable,” Biden says.

Ryan: “Our entire premise is to grow the economy and create jobs. We think the government taking 28 percent is enough.”

Moderator: You have refused to say what you will cut to provide your 20 percent across-the-board tax cut. Do you have the numbers, or are you still working on them?

It’s an excellent question, and Ryan says “We want to work with Congress on how best to achieve this.”

Late note just arrived from Shirley Franklin, the Democratic former mayor of Atlanta:

Wow. Just tuned in. Ryan asks for stimulus money and now explains he always supports constituents. Really?

Updated at 9:35 p.m.: Medicare comes up. Says Paul Ryan: If you change the program for younger people like him, you can save it for old geezers for me.

“They haven’t put a credible solution on the table,” says Ryan to Joe Biden.

Biden stares straight into the camera and asks the elderly: “Do you have more benefits today?”

Ryan counters, Biden interrupts. Says Ryan: I know you’re under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground.

Says Biden: “We will be no part of a voucher program (Medicare) or the privatization of Social Security.”

Ryan says: “Let younger Americans have a voluntary choice.”

Updated at 9:33 p.m.: Joe Biden on Paul Ryan: “On two occasions, he sends me letters asking for stimulus money to create jobs.”

Ryan concedes he’s right.

But then the Wisconsin asks whether it was right to spend money on cars in Finland or windmills in China.

Updated at 9:24 p.m.: We shift to domestic policy. How quickly can we get unemployment to 6 percent?

Biden almost immediately raises the 47 percent issue. It’s on. Paul Ryan’s turn to smile and wait for a chance to jump in.

Ryan: Did they inherit a difficult situation, sure. He brings in Scranton, Biden’s home town. Says unemployment has gone up there since ‘08. “This is not what a recovery looks like.” Ouch.

Ryan begins a defense of Romney, talking about his largesse and his helping neighbors. Ryan says to Biden, you should know that sometimes words don’t come out of your mouth right.

Replies Biden: But I always said what I meant. This is getting interesting.

Says Nick Miller the Emory debate coach:

Biden’s opening salvo on the economy was impressive–he quickly went where Obama wouldn’t–Hitting hard on “47%” and tax rates.

I’m also enjoying Biden’s non-verbal reactions to Ryan. In 2008, Biden tried to seem subdued. It seems they’ve let Biden operate in his own aggressive idiom this time around, especially post a sleepy performance from Obama.

Updated at 9:20 p.m.: From the AJC’s Daniel Malloy:

Biden pulls the whippersnapper card: “I’ve been friends with Bibi Netanyahu for 39 years.”

The vice president mutters, “Oh, God,” as Ryan begins to respond.

An emailed note from Nick Miller, the debate coach for Emory University:

“Interesting decision by the moderator to start with foreign policy. I expected an immediate continuation on the issues of the Presidential Debate. This certainly favors Biden,based on his expertise, and it shows–the gloves are off early, calling Ryan’s (obviously scripted/practiced) comments a “bunch of malarkey.”

Martha’s follow up questions are excellent–she’s been a very quality moderator thus-far–incisive and totally in control.

Updated at 9:12 p.m.: How effective would be a military strike be on Iran?

Ryan doesn’t answer head on, emphasizes the need to stop a nuclear Iran. And he says sanctions have been imposed despite the Obama administration. “Watered-down” sanctions.

“Incredible,” says Biden. Imagine House Republicans drawing up sanctions, the vice president said. Would anybody have joined us?

So far, Biden doing a far better job than his boss did last week.

Updated at 9:03 p.m.: And we begin. First question to Joe Biden: On Libya, which Republicans have hammered on for the last month. “A pre-planned assault.” Wasn’t this a massive intelligence failure?

It was a tragedy, Biden said. Let the facts come as they will they will be investigated. Quickly shifts to Iraq and Afghanistan. Sixty seconds in, Biden brings in Osama bin Laden.

Says Paul Ryan: It took the President two weeks to admit that this was a terrorist attack….”This is becoming more troubling by the day.”

Ryan claims that “what we’re seeing on TV is the unraveling of the Obama foreign policy.”

Says Biden: “With all due respect, this is all a bunch of malarkey.” Defends foreign policy: “These guys bet against America all the time.”

Next question to Paul Ryan: Should we apologize for U.S. troops urinating on Taliban bodies, for burning Korans? Ryan says, “Heck, yeah.”

Updated at 8:47 p.m.: Frank Fahrenkopf, former RNC chairman and one of the debate gurus, has ordered audience not only to stay silent, but not to use Twitter. Sure, Frank.

Updated at 8:25 p.m.: One more thing for Joe Biden to worry about tonight:

Barack Obama’s lackluster debate performance last week has dramatically altered the presidential race in Florida, with Mitt Romney opening up a decisive 7 percentage point lead, according to a new Tampa Bay Times/Bay News 9/Miami Herald poll.

The survey conducted this week found 51 percent of likely Florida voters supporting Romney, 44 percent backing Obama and 4 percent undecided. That’s a major shift from a month ago when the same poll showed Obama leading 48 percent to 47 percent — and a direct result of what Obama himself called a “bad night” at the first debate.

Updated at 8:07 p.m.: Via CNN, Paul Ryan on Vice President Joe Biden: “He clearly goes into this with a whole lot more experience than I do.”
He mentions his mom and grandmother on Medicare.

Updated at 4:15 p.m.: Politico.com has produced this tidbit:

When Paul Ryan and Joe Biden take the debate stage tonight in Danville, Ky., the form of address the vice president is supposed to use with his opponent is “mister” instead of “congressman,” two sources [said]…

The form of address is part of the detailed memorandum of understanding between the two camps, according to the sources familiar with the document. Such MOUs detail specifics ranging from how footage of the debates can be used to podium placement, and so forth.

Why would Ryan require this form of address? Possibly to avoid reminding people that he is a member of an institution that’s held in relatively poor regard by the public.

Updated at 2:55 p.m.: Over at the Marietta Daily Journal, Jon Gillooly has just posted this preview of tonight’s vice-presidential debate from U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson:

”I was elected the same year as Paul Ryan was elected. He is a very smart, very articulate, he’s a great guy. Joe Biden is one of the most enjoyable people – he was my chairman on Foreign Relations for four years. Joe is smart, he’s witty, but he will stick his foot in his mouth from time to time and his biggest problem is he’ll chew once he gets it in there.”

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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57 comments Add your comment

Kris

October 11th, 2012
8:57 pm

Picture a truck traveling down the road with 2 porta potties loaded on it;

Bumper sticker reads.

Caution: Loaded with Political Promises.

Let the BS begin

OBAMA /Biden 2012

Lynn43

October 11th, 2012
9:20 pm

The only thing a debate settles is who can BS the best. It does not prove who the “thinker” is.

crankee-yankee

October 11th, 2012
9:26 pm

Biden stuttering over Iran, Paul sounds like a broken record hitting his talking points over & over ad nauseum. Typical VP “debate.”

Kris

October 11th, 2012
9:41 pm

Give Moe a voucher placed where the sun does not shine.

BS running high..

CRR

October 11th, 2012
9:49 pm

The debate is a joke, Biden keeps laughing, the man cannot take anything seriously

Kris

October 11th, 2012
9:54 pm

God I hope Martha is wearing boots,,Moe’s bull crap is getting deep.

John

October 11th, 2012
9:54 pm

Joe has no choice but to laugh at his administration’s failed policy. But none of this is funny Joe. Millions of people are out of work and struggling…. virtually burried if you will. All you can do is smirk, laught and interrupt. Good rifddence.

Allen

October 11th, 2012
10:02 pm

Biden is a joke; he has done nothing short of spilling lies and swill. Anyone with a brain can see he is drowning. What a joke he (Biden) is. ROFL

Nicely done Ryan. :)

October 11th, 2012
10:09 pm

Nicely done Ryan. :) Very proud of you, your intellect, and your respectfulness. You’ve got my vote sir.

Roman

October 11th, 2012
10:11 pm

Biden is the clear winner in this debate. Ryan has not facts and is a disaster on International Policy.

Kris

October 11th, 2012
10:14 pm

Rhino, Ry-Man, Moe, Ry-Moe. …Can You just give a straight answer!!

Mark

October 11th, 2012
10:16 pm

CRR

October 11th, 2012
9:49 pm

You obviously are not watching the same debate everyone else is, because Ryan’s getting his @ss kicked!

Bigguy

October 11th, 2012
10:24 pm

If I could get a job interview in the next year, should I try that laugh of Biden’s on the interviewer?

Kris

October 11th, 2012
10:31 pm

Vice President Joe Biden has KICKED Rhino’s ASS and handed it to him on a silver pater.

Re-elect President OBAMA

Vote for me

October 11th, 2012
10:33 pm

Wow! Ryan got gis lunch money taken! And then got whipped after school!

Undergraduate

October 11th, 2012
10:35 pm

Wow. Those with their heads planted firmly up Ubama’s arse are clinging to their guns and religion….whoops! I mean, are clinging to the fond hope that Joe can pull Ubama’s kiester (and their heads) out of the fire. Neat. One problem. Even if Joe Biden appears to NOT be the lunatic, addled, idiot he really is tonight, there are 25 more days and two more debates. Joe is going to be an idiot multiple times, and Ubama is going to lose at least two more debates. The real Biden/Ubama ticket is finally on display for all to see. It’s over. Thank God.

FSUBrave

October 11th, 2012
10:37 pm

you libs are a laughing stock. Joe Dirt gave us a gift tonite with his laughing pompous smirking and interrupting…..Biden is an angry old man, and your campaign is no the ropes…He’s senile…don’t wait, we’ll send him into retirement in next month.

shirley

October 11th, 2012
10:44 pm

Vice President Biden kno ws the issues, is comfortable debating his posiion and speaks clearly. No question Vice President’s closing statement topped off a good debate on complicated issues

remember when?

October 11th, 2012
10:48 pm

The stimulus was a complete waste of tax payers money. But can I get some of that cheddar to create jobs are in Wisconsin?

haha

pj

October 11th, 2012
10:53 pm

Bidden arrogant almost as much as obama! Martha radditz pitiful!

Linda Gold

October 11th, 2012
10:54 pm

Are we supposed to take this VP Biden seriously when he can”t be serious during a debate? I’m switching my vote..

Charter Parent

October 11th, 2012
11:00 pm

Ryan, hands down!

Aaron Burr V Mexico

October 11th, 2012
11:02 pm

Only in Republican Reality did Ryan win this.

atlgal

October 11th, 2012
11:03 pm

THANK YOU REPUBS FOR SHOWING US YOUR PICK:)) GO BIDEN!!!

Aaron Burr V Mexico

October 11th, 2012
11:03 pm

@linda – Are we supposed to take you seriously? Seriously? Ryan lied every time he opened his mouth. Get real.

@PJ – What is arrogant is that you can only tolerate a moderator that lets a contard run rough shod all over them. Sorry. So sorry.

@Remember When- Stimulus saved the economy. And the more time goes on, the more obvious it is, no matter how much you shriek otherwise.

atlgal

October 11th, 2012
11:11 pm

THANK YOU REPUBS FOR SHOWING US YOUR PICK:)) GO BIDEN!!!

Linda Gold

October 11th, 2012
11:11 pm

When I’m serious I don’t smirk & smile…It’s no joke this country is in big trouble

atlgal

October 11th, 2012
11:21 pm

@LINDAGOLD THEN GO VOTE FOR ROMNEY AND LIVE IN DIRT AND LOSE YOUR HOME AND YOUR YOUR JOB. GET REAL!!

Aaron Burr V Mexico

October 11th, 2012
11:24 pm

@Linda Gold – Ryan sure did. Romney smirks all the time.

Honest people don’t have to hide everything they believe in or swirl it in lies.

brewmaster

October 11th, 2012
11:24 pm

Aaron Burr, you say the stimulus “saved the economy ?” Let’s see if that adds up:

When Obama took office Now
Unemployment 4.7% over 8 % for 42 straight months
People on food stamps 32 million 49 million
Gallon of gas $1.82 $3.85

Yeah, that stimulus really worked. So glad we spent a half billion dollars on such successful projects as Solyndra. What happened to the “shovel ready” projects ? By the way, he did not “save” GM. He saved his union thugs known as the UAW ! GM could have gone into chapter 11 and be a viable concern today, and without Obama and the UAW owing it at our expense !

Aaron Burr V Mexico

October 11th, 2012
11:26 pm

And who caused that brew master? And who did everything they could to keep the recovery from happening?

Look, I know your fellow bats echo your sonar to you but that doesn’t make you any less blind.

Real economists, not chairs founded by the Koch brothers, ones that use statistics not the Austrian school of economics, say that the Stimulus kept us away from depression.

Some day, some how, you people and your lies will be held to account.

Dan Higgins

October 11th, 2012
11:29 pm

What I saw….. Biden turned off women with his rude, contemptuous smirks and interruptions. If you think that helped the Democrats your sadly mistaken. Other than that I was bored.

Richard Christy

October 11th, 2012
11:31 pm

@Brewmaster Seriously? Unemployment was only 4.7% when Obama took office? Where did you get that number. I lost my job in November of 2008 and I certainly remember the unemployment rate being higher than 4.7%.

And you might want to look at the average price of gas in August of 2008. Gas prices were even higher than they are now. When the recession hit prices dropped dramatically. What that means is the oil companies adjusted their pricing to reflect current economic conditions i.e. when Obama took office we were in a terrible recession but prices have risen as the economy has tepidly improved.

atlgal

October 11th, 2012
11:33 pm

@Aaron Burr V Mexico

YOU CANT ARGUE WITH STUPID..STOP WASTING YOUR TIME. THEY ARE IN DENIAL..THE REALITY HASNT HIT THEM YET..LET THEM VOTE FOR BUSHS’ COUSIN

Mike

October 11th, 2012
11:35 pm

What strikes me the hardest is the reluctance of both Romney and Ryan to get into any specifics. They continue to respond in generalities and, I guess, expect me to “trust” them. According to Andrea’s factual truths a voucher system, as proposed by Ryan and Romney, WILL result in recipients paying about $6400 more. I guess younger Americans should take note of this. I cannot understand how one can dispute, in general, that we aren’t better off today than we were four years ago. We’re adding jobs and not subtracting, unemployment has gone down to 7.8%, and just today a report that wages have risen. I do understand that one can criticize Obama’s speed in handling things but I don’t have the benefit of viewing things from the top to see how bad things really were or if it could have been handled quicker. It does seem to me that the Rublicans have stated many untruths, according to fact checkers, and persist in restating them. Frankly, I feel like this insults the intelligence of the voters.

Ter

October 11th, 2012
11:36 pm

Biden failed to exhibit true leadership. Leadership is not smirking while others speak, laughing out loud while they are talking, and interrupting. If he was confident in his comments, he would find no need to behave so derisively. What a terrible example for our children to see — a leader being openly rude and disrespectful. He missed an opportunity to make his points in a dignified way, instead of just trying to tear down his opponent by snickering over his statements.

brewmaster

October 11th, 2012
11:40 pm

A Burr, we ” kept everything from happening ?’ Obama had large majorities in the House and Senate his first 2 years and was filibuster proof ? So he could have done anything he wanted in those first 2 years. In fact, he rammed Obamacare down our throats without a single Republican vote and with 70% of the country against it. He has increased the deficit by 7 TRILLION dollars ! If you took over a business that had a $1mm line of credit and couldn’t pay the bills each month, what would you do ? Cut spending, lay people off , do whatever necessary to save the business, or would you add another $6mm to the credit line ? Any good business person would trim the fat and cut costs. Obama instead increased our credit line by 7 TRILLION. He did it , not BUSH. No one but Obama to blame. Time for the unqualified community organizer to get the h… out of here !

Mike

October 11th, 2012
11:40 pm

Brewmaster………..Perhaps you should have another beer. Your moniker indicates your real area of interest.

Mike

October 11th, 2012
11:43 pm

Ter………..I guess you missed the Romney debate with Obama.

brewmaster

October 11th, 2012
11:50 pm

Mike, nice tactic to not challenge my thinking, but instead to ridicule my moniker. Typical liberal : attack the messenger. At least I paid for my beer and am not asking for you to buy it for me so I can have my ” fair share.” Do you believe in redistribution of wealth ? If you do, then move to Europe. Its really working well there, isn’t it ?

Aaron Burr V Mexico

October 11th, 2012
11:50 pm

….You must be new here. I don’t argue with bricks. I write graffiti on them.

@Dan – Yes. Those valiant stalwart defenders of feminism. The Republican party. K.

@Ter – Leaders are honest. Christians are honest.

People that aren’t leaders are dishonest. People that pretend to be christian are liars.

@Brewmeister – So you’re the guy under the rock in that geico commercial! 7 months….seven months when there was a filibuster proof majority in the senate….Please, please, please stop the lies. Please stop the lies. Please stop the lies. Please stop the lies.

No? Ok. I guess you can’t help it. Most addicts can’t admit they have a problem.

Aaron Burr V Mexico

October 11th, 2012
11:51 pm

Brewmeister – Let’s not hear about personal attacks from people that watch Fox News and like Rush Limbaugh.

Can’t stop the lies? Can’t stop the hypocrisy? Step away from the bottle.

Aaron Burr V Mexico

October 11th, 2012
11:54 pm

Oh and I’m an american, we’re making our country follow the will of the majority. You move to Israel.

Mike

October 12th, 2012
12:00 am

Brewmaster…………You have no idea what my political leanings are. In light of ll those beers YOU are buying, anyone could challenge your thinking. Let’s hope you’re not driving. A little redistribution of YOUR wealth might tend to sober you up. You might save enough for your own trip to Europe.

freedomforever

October 12th, 2012
12:00 am

Biden looked and acted like he was unhinged, smiling and laughing to himself almost uncontrollably like a mad man. At a minimum he came across as rude and condescending but he made me concerned about his mental health. The image of Dr. Strangelove riding the nuke down to earth in an early James Bond movie came to mind after repeated grinning, laughing, interrupting, and talking down to Ryan by Biden. This man is next in line???

Ryan wasn’t overwhelmingly impressive but he was right on Libya and what has happened to this country under Obama’s policies. But it was an up hill struggle for him all night with a moderator who interrupted him almost as many times as Biden did and who also made no attempt to reign in the inappropriate interruptions by Biden. Stacked deck but no win for the Obama team is how I score it. Why isn’t there at least one conservative moderator in these debates? Is America this screwed up where the left doesn’t have even a modicum of fairness left in the way they play the game?

brewmaster

October 12th, 2012
12:00 am

Aaron Burr, speaking of lies, how about the lies that the OBLAMER administration foisted on us for nearly 2 weeks about a “video” being the cause of 4 Americans dying in Libya, including our ambassador ? They knew withing 24 hours that it was a terrorist attack, and yet perpetuated the Lie of the video. Why ?

Aaron Burr V Mexico

October 12th, 2012
12:03 am

@brewmaster – Speaking of lies, how about the lie that Issa cares about embassy security but voted to cut embassy security. You know this and yet you say nothing. Why?

Yuo talk about personal insults, but what is insulting is that you base your entire ideology on lies, and come to have a conversation and then have the gall to get upset when I don’t want to hear your lies. Your belief are lies. Everything you say are lies. You are a liar. Republicans are liars. The majority of the inhabitants of this state are liars.

The liars will find this offense. Even if this comment gets through it is likely to be reported as abuse because liars hate to be called liars.

brewmaster

October 12th, 2012
12:09 am

You did not answer my question. You’re a coward. A leech. A taker. Go text all your liberal loser buddies with your Obamaphone from the bedroom you still live in in your parent’s house . Can’t wait for Oblamer’s defeat in less that 4 weeks.

TR

October 12th, 2012
12:15 am

Very Pleased, to support the Republican Party! You know, we still love America!! Morals! Honored to stand for God, Morals & our country. Let me ask one thing….would you really, really want to go to war with Obama at the head……really…..?

Baghad Bob

October 12th, 2012
12:41 am

@brewmaster – I give more than you can even imagine, taker. It is the real takers that user the term, taker. And by the way, taker, I don’t need to answer a question based on lies, liar.

@TR – Yes. I would. I would love to go to war against Republicans with Obama at the head.

Please, try to take your country back with your guns. Fire the first shot. Please.

We’ll fire the last.