Foes of charter school issue say new poll shows 52% against

Polls by interested parties must always be taken with a grain of salt – but they are not always something to dismiss out of hand.

Last month, for example, proponents of the November ballot issue on charter schools unveiled a survey that showed the proposed constitutional amendment supported by a healthy 58 percent of likely voters.

But a more recent poll, backed by an opposing group called Georgians for Education Excellence, says support for the the charter school issue is leaking fast, and that opponents now have the upper hand by 52 percent.

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Thirty-four percent say they’ll “definitely” vote against it, and another 18 percent say they’ll “probably” vote no.

Here’s a link to the poll memo, which includes these caveats:

Methodology. The poll of 1,216 likely voters was conducted October 4 and 5, 2012 by IVR/autocall. Recipients were randomly selected and dialed statewide. The data presented is not weighted to allow for personalized weighting.

The survey poll consisted of:

– Women (53%)

– Men (47%)

– Republicans (61% self identified as strong or leaning Republicans)

– Democrats (27% self identified as strong or leaning Democrats)

– “Other” (12% self identified as something other than Republican or Democrat)

– Margin of error +/- 2.81

Georgians for Education Excellence, we’re told, is a group whose affiliates include the Georgia Association of Educators.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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39 comments Add your comment

GaBlue

October 11th, 2012
5:06 pm

Amending our Constitution should not be the go-to remedy for the failure of our General Assembly, and those in statewide management positions, to do their jobs effectively.

Creating an appointed board that answers to no one — to create schools not accountable to anyone in the communities where they operate — is not an example of good governance. It’s an example of a power grab. That outside money is pouring in to support it is cause for alarm. (What DO they expect in return for their support money?)

The people of Georgia have a method in place to improve their local schools: Pay attention, and address your state and local representatives with your concerns. Demand action. Expect excellence. Participate.

Why on EARTH would we want to amend our Constitution to strip us of that right?

Ditto

October 11th, 2012
5:30 pm

Exactly right GaBlue! Couldn’t have said it better myself!

The Truth

October 11th, 2012
5:44 pm

52% is not enough. This amendment must be beaten beyond recognition. If not, the powers in Atlanta will try something else.

The Truth

October 11th, 2012
5:44 pm

52% is not enough. This amendment must be beaten beyond recognition. If not, the powers in Atlanta will try something else.

The Truth

October 11th, 2012
5:44 pm

52% is not enough. This amendment must be beaten beyond recognition. If not, the powers in Atlanta will try something else.

The Truth

October 11th, 2012
5:44 pm

52% is not enough. This amendment must be beaten beyond recognition. If not, the powers in Atlanta will try something else.

The Truth

October 11th, 2012
5:44 pm

Mark Flowers

October 11th, 2012
5:53 pm

Wouldn’t the charter schools offer students the ability to change schools if the school they are attending is sub-par? I think this is a great idea and people are missing the bigger picture here. The free market is getting an opportunity to reallocate students based on results! That is HUGE! I know if I had the opportunity to attend a better school, with better test scores, with more students who had gone to college, I certainly would have changed. In fact, I recently posted about the importance of a college degree in my blog, http://www.modernsense.net.

Charter schools offer parents the opportunity to demand excellence and if a school doesn’t perform, well fine, then those parents can find a better performing school. Since the money for their operation depends on good performance, then there is incentive to improve. Contrary to popular belief, the exact opposite is true for existing public schools.

GaBlue

October 11th, 2012
6:05 pm

Mr. Flowers,

Charter schools do indeed offer students more opportunities, but that’s NOT what this amendment is about. There are currently many charter schools in Georgia. This amendment is about setting a small group of people above being accountable in the communities where they operate. Please look deeper into the matter before deciding how to vote. Thank you.

Mark Flowers

October 11th, 2012
6:07 pm

One more thing GABlue, you stated, “The people of Georgia have a method in place to improve their local schools: Pay attention, and address your state and local representatives with your concerns. Demand action. Expect excellence. Participate.”

I wonder, how long are you willing to wait for change once your child is in a poor performing school? You can contact your representative, you can “Demand action”, you can “Expect Excellence” all you want, but that sort of protesting takes months and sometimes years to bear fruitful results. It simply isn’t enough to do as you say.

When you reach your wits end and decide it is time to fix the problem yourself, you currently don’t have the power. There is nobody who is truly accountable right now. Charter Schools are different, they are a change, and this is why people fear them. Believe me, however, this is putting power back in the hands of parents and decentralizing the planning for our children’s education.

http://www.modernsense.net

Mark Flowers

October 11th, 2012
6:13 pm

GA Blue, you need to read further. The amendment offers localities the opportunity to decide whether they want to establish charter schools or not. It does not change anyone’s authority, and while arguments against funding are rampant, the truth is that if public schools are performing badly, then students can leave those schools for a better choice. So, either the public schools can pick up their game, or they can lose funding and close. The cost will be the same either way, even if in the short run the charter schools are a bit more expensive.

http://www.modernsense.net

GaBlue

October 11th, 2012
6:20 pm

Mr. Flowers,

I appreciate your frustration, and the frustration so many parents face today. I took my children’s education seriously, and put the time and effort into ensuring their best start possible. I was fortunate to be able to purchase a home near good public schools, and to remain there through graduation.

Where we differ, perhaps, is that I believe ALL schools should be excellent, not just schools that require private tuition or special parental action to attend. Every neighborhood school should offer the best possible opportunities to whichever children live nearby, regardless of the socioeconomic status or educational background of the parents. Turning education into a capitalist commodity has resulted in the erosion of the very thing that set this nation apart from many others, and provided the pathway for making “the American Dream” both possible and real for tens of millions of Americans from economically-inferior beginnings.

We are not, and will never again be “number one” if we walk away from quality public education and start parsing it out to the privileged. This amendment is NOT about helping the poor children of this state. Look at the backers, what they do, and whom they serve. I’m sorry, but I’d have to be one gullible sap to believe they care.

Classic Conservative

October 11th, 2012
6:29 pm

Charters okay. This amendment- not okay. The Corporations for whom this amendment was drafted will have control of education decisions instead of local charter school committees. They will keep any excess money rather than the school getting it. You are better off stopping a stranger at the mall and asking them to educate your child.
Vote no.

Eddie Hall

October 11th, 2012
6:39 pm

Mr Flowers, When I wanted change I ran for and was elected to my BOE. You CAN make a difference if you want, pass this mess and you lose control to an appointed board that answers to NO ONE other than the ONE who appoints them. It did not work in Florida, won’t work here! VOTE NO!

RAMZAD

October 11th, 2012
6:42 pm

Georgians are not slaves to the constitution. It is the constitution is slave to us.

We change it, abandon it or retain it to the extent that is meets our needs to support a lawful, just and progressive state. Local control of public education has been failing, is failing and without a decisive remedy will continue to fail to truly educate our young people.

The option to amend the constitution and remove the local government monopoly over public education is a meaningful option which should be given immediate opportunity. I support this initiative; fully.

Charles Douglas Edwards

October 11th, 2012
6:48 pm

The charter school proposed constitutional amendment should be defeated !!!

Constitutional amendments are very, very hard to repeal or overturn.

Educating our children is one of the most important things that we can do.

We must always strive to give the best education possible to the masses of our children.

VEXORG

October 11th, 2012
6:49 pm

The number #1 reason you should vote for this amendment: when you have idiots that vote for morons in a Board of Education election, you get…..The Clayton County School Board.

BP

October 11th, 2012
6:56 pm

There is no cure for ignorance. This ammendment has everything to do with politicians giving the education of our children to outsiders. The only thing this ammendment changes is who decides if a charter school is started. Right now it goes through the local school districts who approve or disapprove. If passed it will allow Govenor (line my pockets) Perdue to over rule these school districts and force a charter school (may be run by an out of state group) on these communities. But we all know government will never misuse these powers. Riiiiiggght.

BP

October 11th, 2012
6:59 pm

Sorry about that should be Govenor Deal. Although they are interchangable.

VEXORG

October 11th, 2012
7:06 pm

Now I’m beginning to wonder….when was the last time anyone in this forum..went to a PTA Meeting? Attended a meeting of their School Board? And here’s a hint; you don’t have to have children in school to attend either of these meetings.

And yet, people blindly trust their School Boards to insure that the children in their county get a quality education, when the same government body can be manipulated by members with their own political agendas or self-interests..that lead right to CORRUPTION and/or INCOMPETENCE.

There is NOTHING, NOTHING wrong with the privitization of our schools by the Charter Method. I say, we give the private sector a fair chance…you may be pleasantly surprised when test scores go up, diciplinary problems go down…and the children are actually enjoying going to school and learning again.

Bob Loblaw

October 11th, 2012
7:09 pm

You piss off your locals and they’ll bite you every time. There’s going to be a lot of rub between members of the General Assembly and school boards/teachers/et al after this, win or lose.

SKE

October 11th, 2012
7:32 pm

Charter Schools are OK but don’t ask for tax dollars to pay for it. I’m definitely voting NO. Just made of my mind when I saw that the board will only answer to the party in power….ABSOLUTELY Hell NO!

S

October 11th, 2012
7:46 pm

Thank goodness we still have thinking people in this State, This amendment would destroy our Georgia public schools and create another Government program that we don’t need. Shame on Governor Deal and his minions in the state legislator for bringing this amendment up for a vote. Me and mine will be Voting NO on this Charter School Amendment.

yuzeyurbrane

October 11th, 2012
7:50 pm

We now know why pro-Amendment supporters have pulled out their long knives. Their own private polls probably gave them a heads up to what we are all learning now–their attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the public is failing. Three cheers for the common sense of Georgia voters. But don’t stop the fight now—it ain’t over til it’s over. And we know now that the powerful interests in support of the Amendment will stop at nothing to intimidate and silence their opponents. Hopefully, the truth will prevail and the proposed Amendment will be defeated…and soundly.

Kris

October 11th, 2012
8:06 pm

Looks like dirty DEAL has been busy….
Lottery board member resigns citing pressure from the governor on presidential hire

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/lottery-board-member-resigns-citing-pressure-from-/nSbKn/
Looks like casino gambling in Gwenette is a done dirty DEAL!

If you need it more information on the charter school (shady deal pocket lining scam)

http://www.votesmartgeorgia.com/

Upgrade from the 47% to the 53 %

VOTE NO Charter school scam.

Big John

October 11th, 2012
9:10 pm

I am a rabid conservative and I will be voting NO to CA 1.

kavu

October 11th, 2012
10:01 pm

Charter schools are fantastic. What’s wrong with choice. You have one place to send your kid in the current system, who doesn’t wish we had two?

jezel

October 12th, 2012
7:01 am

The more information presented on Charter Schools…the worse the option looks. Is doomed.

honested

October 12th, 2012
8:01 am

One can only hope this shameless effort to siphon Taxpayer dollars into private pockets loses by at least a 70% margin.

Only then will our Legislature stop wasting time on such campaign enriching foolishness and concentrate on making best possible use of every penny with which they are entrusted.

SKE

October 12th, 2012
8:32 am

@VEXORG….privitizing schools is just like privitizing Social Security, BAD IDEA!!! This is the same argument folks used back in the fifties, Seperate But Equal! NOT!!! The more I read about this amendment I see no upside in the long run. If you want a different education for your children then put them in Wooodward Academy and pay for it!

WOW

October 12th, 2012
9:08 am

We already have privatized education, its called Private schools. If you want to go that route send your children there. As for Charter schools they are fine, but should be under local control. Communties know better than the people in Atlanta what they need.

Road Scholar

October 12th, 2012
9:21 am

‘Charter schools are fantastic. What’s wrong with choice. You have one place to send your kid in the current system, who doesn’t wish we had two?’

You already have the option of choices…through your elected BOE. If Charter schools are soooooo good, let your elected board decide where, when and how.

[...] Galloway has the polling memo, and notes that according to its analysis, the Charter School Amendment is now opposed by more than [...]

B. Thenet

October 12th, 2012
9:48 am

Perhaps people should have considered the quality of the public schools in their area before they moved there?

Shar

October 12th, 2012
10:28 am

There is nothing wrong with charter schools as long as their charter, or requested changes from the district-wide approach, is reasonable and effective and as long as it has the support of the taxpayers, parents and the teachers who will be invested there. There is a lot wrong with charter schools, or any other government entity, that are placed in a community against the wishes of the local population and which follow a charter that is not properly evaluated and approved by education professionals but rather reflects the ideological preference of the school’s corporate and political sponsors.

THAT is precisely what this amendment will force down our throats. THAT is why 94% of the money supporting the proposal comes from out of state, either from educorrupts who buy off our politicians (particularly Deal and Chip Rogers, ALEC’s Johnny-on-the-spot) to get access to the tax money funding public education (such entities include “education management corporations”, curriculum peddlars, real estate developers, construction companies, food service companies, IT sellers and every other for-profit supplier that does not want to pinch the profit margin by submitting competitive bids) or from individuals and groups that do not approve of the content of public school curriculum and want it to reflect their own views.

Mr. Flowers, kavu, VEXORG – this amendment offers nothing, not one right or power, to parents who want to create alternate options for their own children. If you want to start a charter, you can do so – ask any of the parent groups that have put in place the 100+ charter schools in this state. This amendment is a grab by the state at the huge glistening pile of tax dollars that the state constitution holds out of the reach of their sticky fingers, all dressed up in misleading language and self-righteous claims of “for the children”. If it could stand on its merits, they wouldn’t have to bring in outside money to foist it on us or abuse their offices by crafting lies directly on the ballot to trick voters into thinking it is not a usurpation of local power.

This is a terrible proposal, with absolutely nothing in it for anyone except the legislators who want to sell off our public investment in education. It deserves a NO vote, and its sponsors deserve contempt.

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honested

October 12th, 2012
12:04 pm

Shar,
Watch over your shoulder.
There will probably be an executive order from the governor’s office outlawing telling the truth or speaking against this bogus amendment.

The Mirror

October 12th, 2012
12:35 pm

That would be awesome.

Then we could send out the army when he tried to enforce executive order to stop him just like Little Rock.

Mary Elizabeth

October 12th, 2012
8:39 pm

Citizens have an additional choice to form a charter school over and beyond applying to their local Board of Education for one, in the event that your local BOE denies your charter school’s application. You can apply for a state charter school through the state Board of Education. Thus, the Constitutional Amendment, which would establish an appointed state Commission for Charter Schools, is unnecessary. Vote No to Amendment 1 in NOvember.