Your morning jolt: Sam Nunn joins push for debt discussion in presidential debates

Starting Wednesday, former U.S. Sen. Sam Nunn and three retired ex-colleagues will hold four forums aimed at forcing the first presidential debate between Democratic incumbent Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney to take up the federal debt crisis.

Each forum will take the form of a congressional hearing before Nunn and his four co-horts: Pete Domenici, R-New Mexico; Warren Rudman, R-New Hampshire; and Evan Bayh, D-Indiana.

Former U.S. secretarys of the treasury Robert Rubin and James A. Baker, III, will be part of Wednesday’s proceedings in Washington D.C.

You’ll recall that, last month, U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss was one of a quartet of current senators who asked that one of the three presidential debates be dedicated to the deficit recommendations of the Bowles-Simpson Commission.

On CBS’ “This Morning,” U.S. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta was asked whether the Pentagon had begun planning for the massive across-the-board cuts mandated as of Jan. 1 if Congress can’t reach a compromise on a way to get its arms around $16 trillion in debt.

No, said Panetta. Isn’t that irresponsible? asked the reporter.

Said Panetta:

“What’s irresponsible is the fact that they put these cuts into place and that they are failing to come up with the answer as to how to prevent this from happening. They put a gun to their head. That’s what a sequester was all about. They said, “Let’s put a gun to our head and if we don’t do the right thing, we’ll blow our heads off.” Well, now they’ve cocked the gun. This thing’s supposed to take effect in January. But the whole purpose of it was for both Republicans and Democrats to do the right thing and to prevent this from happening. That’s what’s irresponsible”

The first debate, dedicated to domestic policy, is scheduled for 9 p.m. Oct. 3 at the University of Denver in Colorado.

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Services for the late Otis BrumbyJr., 72, publisher of the Marietta Daily Journal, have been set for 11 a.m. Wednesday at the First United Methodist Church in Marietta.

Some of you who may not quite understand Brumby’s influence in Cobb County.

Several years ago, when he was still chairman of the county commission and a daily target of Brumby’s scrutiny, Bill Byrne told me this story:

He and four other commissioners had just gone through one of those touchy-feely sessions at an annual retreat – the kind where you’re asked to design an escape from a deserted island without sacrificing the least popular member of your group to cannibals.

Each member of the Cobb commission was asked, if he were able to be anyone else in the world, who would that someone be? Without consulting each other, all five said: “Otis Brumby.”

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Yet another poll has shown President Barack Obama with at least a small bump coming out of last week’s Democratic National Convention in Charlotte. From the Washington Post:

The survey shows that the race remains close among likely voters, with Obama at 49 percent and Romney at 48 percent, virtually unchanged from a poll taken just before the conventions.

But among a wider sample of all registered voters, Obama holds an apparent edge, topping Romney at 50 percent to 44 percent, and has clear advantages on important issues in the campaign when compared with his rival.

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One more outside group with money has decided to play in Georgia’s 12th District congressional contest. The group Center Forward said it will drop $835,000 on behalf of U.S. Rep. John Barrow, D-Augusta, and Jim Matheson, D-Utah. Here’s the group’s ad attacking Barrow’s Republican challenger, Lee Anderson of Grovetown:

Note that the ad takes an unnamed shot at Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, whose no-new-taxes pledge has received much of the blame for the current deadlock in Washington.

Meanwhile, the National Republican Congressional Committee has this new ad, in which it quotes the Augusta Chronicle as “two-faced, disingenuous and perhaps the most shameless, duplicitous, self-serving politician of his era:”

Now, without getting into a discussion of Barrow’s personal attributes, it’s fair to say that such a description reflects a very limited range of experience on the part of editors at the Chronicle. We know Augusta has politicians who have done far, far better than Barrow in these categories.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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cc

September 11th, 2012
10:32 am

“aimed at forcing the first presidential debate between Democratic incumbent Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney to take up the federal debt crisis.”

This is a great idea! Of course, the Kenyan has proven that his promises cannot be trusted . . .

Retired Soldier

September 11th, 2012
10:38 am

The single greatest threat to our country. The President and Congress fiddle like Nero while America burns. Every incumbent should be defeated.

honested

September 11th, 2012
11:00 am

At least it is becoming obvious that the President will be handily re-elected.

Now if the children in the House will realize their job is to do the business of the United States and not to pander to the likes of grover norquist.

honested

September 11th, 2012
11:01 am

Augusta, a sad little burg which someday hopes to match Savannah in it’s backward looking irrelevance.

cc

September 11th, 2012
11:30 am

dishonested @ 11:00 am:

“At least it is becoming obvious that the President will be handily re-elected.”

Keep telling yourself that, Sunshine! Apparently the Kenyan doesn’t see it that way, Why is he still raising funds and campaigning on a daily basis if his re-election is so “obvious”?

Your time would be better spent reconciling yourself to the coming Romney Presidency . . .

Atlanta Native

September 11th, 2012
11:34 am

CC, who is the Kenyan? I don’t know of any Kenyan’s currently serving in any elected office in the United States. Your stupidity abounds already this morning sir!! Now, why don’t you nudge TD awake and get him/her to help you take your meds.

I, for one, am looking forward to watching our AMERICAN PRESIDENT – BARACK OBAMA wipe the floor with the little rich kid. The president will win any debate on the economy because logic will always trump stupidity.

Fiscal Reality

September 11th, 2012
11:58 am

Kudos to Sam Nunn and the Concord Coalition for doing this. In the midst of the silly season (campaign), at least there will be some substance somewhere.

td

September 11th, 2012
12:41 pm

All Obama will say is the top 1% should pay their fair share and his dumb worshipers will believe this will solve the problem.

We will spend $1.1 trillion more this year then we raise in revenue and taking the top 1% back to the Clinton era rates would bring in only $80 billion. How is this going to cut any actual debt?

The top 10% in this country made $1.3 trillion last year and if you taxed them at 100% of their money then you are only cutting $200 billion off the actual debt (if you tell Obama that he can not “invest” in anything new).

Auntie Christ

September 11th, 2012
12:57 pm

d
September 11th, 2012
12:41 pm

All Obama will say is the top 1% should pay their fair share and his dumb worshipers will believe this will solve the problem.
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And romney claims he will erase the deficit by ‘closing loopholes,’ yet no matter how many times he and Ryan are pressed on the issue, they can’t seem to name any they will close. Nonetheless, dumb worshipers like you will vote for them, believing this will solve the problem.

Not Blind

September 11th, 2012
12:59 pm

@td. Please, no unpleasant facts. Might make a liberal have a headache if you forced them to think through some of the implications of Obama’s nonsense. Assuming there was something between a liberal’s ears that could register pain.

Not Blind

September 11th, 2012
1:01 pm

Is there anything funnier than an Obama supporter calling someone else a dumb worshiper ? Obama was elected on media hype and cultish self deception.

td

September 11th, 2012
1:02 pm

Auntie Christ

September 11th, 2012
12:57 pm

And people like you will vote for Obama knowing he has been a horrible failure with no actual plans to change anything. He is so bad that Nancy Pelosi and other Dems just ignored him and did their own thing.

At least Romney has a chance to change things because we know Obama will accomplish nothing if re elected.

Bernie

September 11th, 2012
1:04 pm

How Sad to see witness the slow dimming of one our most revered Senators Mind and reasoning. A Man once held in high esteem, who once demonstrated the wisdom of the likes of SOLOMON. A Wisdom that is no longer in the sharp accuracy it once was.

Mr. Nunn and these one time elder Statesmen should echo their opinion but they are in no way capable to fully understand and grasp the complexities that our current Leaders are faced with in regards to this matter. This is a Matter that should remain in the discussion in the HALLS of the U.S. Congress where they will ultimately be resolved.

Mr Nunn Respectfully, I would suggest you and the others spend more time with your Wives, Children and grandchildren. Your time remaining here is too short and precious. Do not waste your time it on matters that will yield no tangible or meaningful results. Your Children and grandchildren deserve your attention now. You have served your country Well and we thank you. Go Home, sit down enjoy the Sun, Your family for another day and be thankful for it. The Problems here will take care of themselves in due time. America will move forward no need to worry! :)

Auntie Christ

September 11th, 2012
1:08 pm

Not Blind
September 11th, 2012
12:59 pm

Oh goodie, another white winger has entered the fray to do what they do best, post sixth grade insults instead of comments of merit. Bless your heart, does mommy know you have her computer? Did she take away your Barbie and Ken dolls again because you were doing those weird things with Ken again? Be a good boy now and go watch Sponge Bob, let the adults have their conversation.

resno2

September 11th, 2012
1:21 pm

The novelty has worn off… it’s time for a leader.

Auntie Christ

September 11th, 2012
1:28 pm

td
September 11th, 2012
1:02 pm
At least Romney has a chance to change things because we know Obama will accomplish nothing if reelected.
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If the repub house votes another 33 times to repeal The Affordable Health Care Act as it has done already, romney won’t accomplish anything either. If the repubs spend all their time voting on important issues like making English the USA’s official language, romney isn’t going to accomplish anything. You see td, we have THREE branches of government, and when one of them is controlled by a dysfunctional group of birthers, xenophobes and backwater rubes like westmoreland, gingrey, broun and louie gohmer, the government comes to a standstill.

Auntie Christ

September 11th, 2012
1:40 pm

resno2
September 11th, 2012
1:21 pm

The novelty has worn off… it’s time for a leader.
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“I respect and will protect a woman’s right to choose:” “I never really called myself pro-choice.”

“It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.” “I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there.”

“I will work and fight for stem cell research.” “In the end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a false premise.”

“Those… paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process toward application for citizenship.” “Amnesty only led to more people coming into the country.”

And of course flipping and flopping more times than a fish out of water on healthcare.

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As Jimmy Durante used to say, I’ve got a million of ‘em, romney flip flops, that is. Is this your idea of a leader, a man who sees which way the crowd is moving, then runs to the head of the line and says, “see, the people are following me!” The man has no principles whatsoever,

Mild Mannered Moderate

September 11th, 2012
1:42 pm

Leave CC alone! He is better than us….he is smarter than us and must listen! He has sources of SECRET KNOWLEDGE! You ask about the Kenyan?!

Cc posted this link from the heroic blood martyr Andrew BREITBART himself! http://tinyurl.com/buyx3er

Cc and the Donald are right! LEAVE THEM ALONE!

And stop saying Ann Romney was there when Mitt roofed Shamus the Dog…SHE WAS USING THE BATHROOM! :|

Meanieheads….

td

September 11th, 2012
1:44 pm

Auntie Christ

September 11th, 2012
1:28 pm

So since you are admitting that nothing is going to get done if Obama is re elected because the house will be in the Republicans hands and the Senate could be in republican hands. Obama has already proven he can not work with Republicans and not even Dems so why should he be put back in office?

Mild Mannered Moderate

September 11th, 2012
1:55 pm

@td – Thank you for following cc’s example and being more like him today.

Romney and Obama are the same. Both sides are bad. Both sides.

Auntie Christ

September 11th, 2012
1:56 pm

td
September 11th, 2012
1:44 pm

Obama has already proven he can not work with Republicans and not even Dems so why should he be put back in office?
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Why should repubs be put back in office? Especially the birthers, xenophobes and rubes that make up the majority of their representation. As for Obama not working with dems, that comment has no merit whatsoever, but I am still waiting for any full throated endorsement of romney from republican leadership. Their response to him has been lukewarm at best. Please don’t force me to embarrass you by saying something like “give examples of this.” You keep up with these things, and know full well as I do that boehner, huckabee, gingrich, the tea partiers, the birthers, have little stomach for romney and have shown it by their comments and half-hearted endorsements.

Mild Mannered Moderate

September 11th, 2012
1:57 pm

But at least with Romney, we know where we stand. TD’S good friend Newt Gimgrich endorses Romney. That is also worthy of consideration.

cc

September 11th, 2012
2:13 pm

Not Blind @ 1:01 pm:
I’ll have to say that your vision is perfect!

td @ 1:02 pm:
The Kenyan is well along toward accomplishing his mission. Unfortunately, his mission is the destruction of America.

Auntie Christ @ 1:08 pm:
Do much race-baiting?

Auntie Christ

September 11th, 2012
2:31 pm

cc
September 11th, 2012
2:13 pm

Not Blind @ 1:01 pm:
I’ll have to say that your vision is perfect! //// I have to say I have often heard of the blind leading the blind, but until just now I never saw it in action

td @ 1:02 pm:
The Kenyan is well along toward accomplishing his mission. Unfortunately, his mission is the destruction of America. ///// Gasp Gasp!! You mean the militia groups I have been reading about are admitting Kenyans! They’re taking this equal opportunity thing to a whole new level. What’s next, people with front teeth allowed in the klan?

Auntie Christ @ 1:08 pm:
Do much race-baiting? ///// Yawzer, just bout evah chance I git, suh. Learned it from ole massuhs gingrich, perry an santorum

Mild Mannered Moderate

September 11th, 2012
2:42 pm

See? Unlike td, cc does not engage in ad M&m snacks!
and he is giving us vitally important information on obama’sbirth certificate!

He is the mest! He is te most both sided of us all….

honested

September 11th, 2012
2:52 pm

Senator Nunn,

Remind people of what is necessary:
Raise taxes back to Clinton levels (regardless of the source or fashion of the ‘income’).
Cut the defense-waste-budget back to Clinton levels (no new enemies on the horizon with
the ability to keep up with an F-16, much less the obsolete when produced F-35).
Institute a Constitutional Amendment with a National Referendum overturning Citizens United.

Shar

September 11th, 2012
3:07 pm

Former Senators Rudman, Bayh, Nunn and Domenici were politicians who were capable of putting their self-interest, and their parties’ ideology, aside in the pursuit of national consensus and well-being. As such, they stand head and shoulders above nearly all of the current crop of shufflers, who can only hear the cries from their deep-pocketed masters to maintain the status quo that keeps them on top, and who take their orders from screamers on the fringes.

I am grateful for their insistence on framing one of the debates around the debt. Let’s hope that they also insist on a superimposed budget on the television screen as each candidate is speaking, using CBO numbers and showing exactly where the arithmetic nets out on each position. Both Romney and Obama are very, very thin on details of how their plan will erode the deficit, and both use differing budget projections and suppositions to twist their figures.

Let the former senators bring all the pressure to bear that they can to hold Romney’s and Obama’s feet to the fire so the voters can compare exactly what is being proposed and what the consequences will be in dollars and cents – just as they have been forced to do with their own household budgets.

cc

September 11th, 2012
3:14 pm

Shar @ 3:07 pm:

Well said and so very true!

Retired Soldier

September 11th, 2012
3:22 pm

Senator Nunn-

Remind people what is necessary

Eliminate all federal taxes and replace with the Fair Tax.
Pass in Congress and send to the states to ratify a balanced budget amendment.
Begin to repay the debt, 100 billion a year.
Tie congressional salaries to the above, 1/3 pay a year until the above is implemented.

Mild Mannered Moderate

September 11th, 2012
4:14 pm

@shar – well said! And don’t forget to ask them to audit the fed and go on record if they will employ people from Goldman Sachs at the cabinet level.

Shar

September 11th, 2012
4:33 pm

@ Mild: Loathesome as Goldman Sachs’ tactics are, they are but a single voice in the hateful chorus that is drowning out the objections of the actual American citizens who shout out against the tentacles of the “vampire squids” sucking out every drop of our civic and financial life’s blood. Who wants someone from Haliburton in the highest echelons of government? Or General Electric? Or Bank of America? The list, sadly, goes on and on as corporate America succumbs utterly to the pestilential greed that does indeed characterize a person rather than an inanimate industrial entity.

So, if Citizens United is a correct decision and personal greed and aggression have anthropomorphized into corporate personalities (proving Romney’s assertion that “Corporations are people, my friend,”), I think corporations should also have to assume the less sanguine of human traits, starting with death. If corporations are people, they cannot be immortal, continually accumulating assets and power while human beings have to face the destruction of their asset base with death. If corporations are people, they have to die after a certain number of productive years – let’s say 50, for argument’s sake. Their assets have to be liquidated and taxed at the prevailing estate tax rate.

No more tax-exempt zillions directed towards inserting their minions into government “service” or out-bidding the people’s influence over their representatives. GE’s funderful tax avoidance spree? Dead. Haliburton’s no-bid contracts? Dead. Goldman Sachs’ leveraged buyout of crucial legislators? Dead.

I could live with that.