President Barack Obama hugs former President Bill Clinton on stage at the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday in Charlotte, N.C. AP/Pablo Martinez Monsivais
Charlotte, N.C. – As a matter of reflex, anyone who witnessed the Republican gathering in Tampa and the Democratic convention that just finished here can’t help but compare the two.
But let’s start by examining what two weeks of mostly scripted political drama had in common:
— Overshadowed candidates: In Tampa, presidential nominee Mitt Romney was preceded by next-tier Republicans who emphasized their life stories (U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida) or hard-nosed approaches (New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie) over the candidate they were on stage to push.
In Charlotte, well-disciplined Democratic speakers never failed to point quickly and directly to the reason for the gathering – the re-election of President Barack Obama. The best of these, former President Bill Clinton, offered a better defense of the president than Obama did for himself on the closing night.
Clinton was an essential ingredient in Charlotte, said Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed, “because he has more credibility on our economy than any living politician. He was the most important validator that people in the center could possibly have. Republicans have no counterweight.”
In Tampa, Mitt Romney made a brief appearance to congratulate his wife Ann after her speech. Obama reserved his cameo for a bear hug with Clinton – an act that may have provided the defining image of final 60 days of the presidential campaign.
— Unpredictable moments: Clint Eastwood’s debate with an empty chair in Tampa may never be topped. “They vet most of the people, but I told them, ‘You can’t do that with me, because I don’t know what I’m going to say,’” Eastwood told his local California paper.
Democrats tried to compete in the gaffe department by removing from their platform a mention of Jerusalem as the true capital of Israel – and any mention of God. An attempt to fix things on the floor turned messy. Boos aimed at a sensitive point of Middle East diplomacy were quickly conflated by Republicans into raspberries aimed at the Almighty. “We can’t be seen running away from God,” worried state Sen. Ed Harbison of Columbus, inside the Charlotte arena.
— Weather-related chaos: Republicans had the tropical storm that became Hurricane Isaac. Democrats had a wave of thunderstorms that actually dropped more water. In each case, Mother Nature proved herself an astute editor. The conventions were required to condense their programs – for the better.
The GOP gathering was whittled from three days to four. “It made speakers hit their points hard, and get out of the way,” said Steve Butler, a Republican strategist who was in Tampa.
In Charlotte, Obama’s acceptance speech was moved from an open-air stadium and an audience of 70,000 to the smallest venue since the Atlanta convention in 1988. But better to have thousands turned away than a post-convention squabble over whether – or how – you packed the house.
— Overwhelming force: Both conventions were venues for soaring rhetoric conducted in the confines of minimum security prisons. Modern political gatherings have become occasions for a shock-and-awe display of law enforcement, with the desired result that protests left little or no imprint.
But ever-present barriers reduced both Tampa and Charlotte to unsightly gated communities – something that television cameras always seem to miss. The most visible security difference in the two cities was the cavalry: In flat-terrained Tampa, police preferred horses. In hilly Charlotte, police had a platoon of louder, go-anywhere dirt bikes.
Yes, there were surface differences. Democrats had better music – Foo Fighters and Mary Blige for the young, James Taylor for the older set. Unlike in the GOP, dance lessons appear to be a part of the Democratic indoctrination process.
Yet Republicans tend to dress better. Think the fraternity and sorority sections at University of Georgia football games.
Democrats were less hesitant to tug at heartstrings. If your eyes didn’t water at the sight of former Arizona congresswoman Gabby Giffords’ enthusiastic stumble over the word “indivisible” as she gave the Pledge of Allegiance, please see your doctor.
But in terms of substance, the most surprising contrast between Tampa and Charlotte was the place of hot-button issues in speech after speech. In their attempt to lure independents, Republicans suppressed or sanitized references to abortion, gay marriage, and illegal immigration.
The GOP focus was on the jobs that have failed to appear in the three-and-a-half years that Obama has been president.
The Democratic convention in Charlotte gave extended time to social issues – though the reddest of red-meat speeches occurred before prime time TV. Sandra Fluke reprised her clash with Rush Limbaugh over insurance coverage for contraception. U.S. Rep. John Lewis of Atlanta stirred the crowd with an attack on what he sees as GOP attempts at voter suppression. “Regardless of who you love” became a pedestrian reference to new gay marriage endorsement in the Democratic platform.
One might theorize that this kind of talk was a diversion, but U.S. Rep. David Scott of Atlanta would disagree. “I don’t think you can hide the economic news,” he said. “We have embraced the economy. We have changed the economy.”
Rather than an attempt to obscure a bleak jobs picture, Scott saw the emphasis on social issues as a long-term bet placed on the table by Democrats. “This Democratic convention reflects the America that is and will be,” he said. Republicans, the congressman said, are standing pat.
The next 60 days will determine who played their hand right.
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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Eli
September 7th, 2012
11:45 pm
Sure the weather was lousy, but at least Obama was overshadowed by a well-reasoned and intellectually capable statesman rather than a fumbling, mumbling curmudgeon talking to an empty chair.
Where were all the former GOP presidents?
Their absence, including the absence of Reagan’s hologram, was probably a boon for the GOP at the convention. The last thing they needed was to remind the world that the down economy is still their fault.
Bernie
September 8th, 2012
1:14 am
America changed Gears this week….The Republican Party have found themselves in a very strange and awkward place this political season. Supporting a choice they themselves cannot fully embrace without questions. A strange brew of their own creation without a purpose or direction.
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liberalefty
September 8th, 2012
3:32 am
who changed CLINTS diaper after his speech…hehehehehehe
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Buckhead Boy
September 8th, 2012
7:02 am
I wish that the Democrats had focused on the jobs that “failed to appear” in the 39 months after the first recession ended that began under Bush, at which the Republicans threw the EGTRAA and JGTRAA (aka “the Bush Tax Cuts”); and compared that with the second recession that began under Bush, but ended under Obama. In the first instance, 1.2 million jobs were created, in the second 3.5 million have been created. If 3.5 million represents failure, what do you call 1.2 million? I’m sure that my more astute Republican friends would argue that its a matter of scale. Yes, the second Bush recession was extraordinarily deeper than the first. But, wouldn’t it be fun to hear them argue that?
BitterEXdemocrackkk
September 8th, 2012
7:04 am
Obongo didnt mention anything about all his communist advisers, nor ObongoCare, nor UNemployment.
Oh, and I heard Government Motors is about to go under again…NO American should buy a new GM
vehicle, no matter how attractive the lineup is…
STRIVE to be SMARTER than the Obongo Adminstration WANTS you to BE!
Attack Dog
September 8th, 2012
7:22 am
1. Romney didn’t mention all his economic and defense advisers from Dubya’s administration, and we know how great they were before. 2. Nor the number of people he personally forced into unemployment. 3. Nor that take two tax cuts and roll back a few regulations isn’t really a means for economic growth. 4. Nor a healthcare policy that says being a woman is a pre-existing heath condition, so stay healthy and if you do get sick, die quickly. 5. If it had been left up to Romney, GM would not exist, but real Americans would say “Buy American.” 7. Strive to be smarter than what Willard and Private Ryan really think you are!!!
rawmilkdrinker
September 8th, 2012
7:58 am
Well the Republicans bellyache that the gov’t can’t create jobs, then castigate the President for the unemployment rate being so high. Along come Mitt and Gumby who say that when they are elected they will create 12 million new jobs. Huh? My main question about government and jobs is just exactly does General Dynamics Corp sell their nuclear submarines and nuclear powered naval destroyers to?
??
September 8th, 2012
8:02 am
So Jim… I went to post a comment this morning on this topic and for some reason cannot get it through. Are you operating some sort of blog post diversion hopper or something today? I don’t necessarily think it’s fair to automatically block someone on a new topic thread when you have no reason to. It kind of sends a bad message, like opening up an grocery store and putting a sign on a door saying “you’re not welcome here”. Just wondering.
??
September 8th, 2012
9:25 am
Using the Republican logic…They deem it reasonable to fire the President after 3.5 years for slow job creation, THEN promise 12 MILLION jobs. It is ON RECORD! How can they even do it with a straight face?? Talk about “lofty”? Remember this if Romney wins and 2016 comes. Goes to show you the intellectual dishonesty in people.
MrLiberty
September 8th, 2012
9:31 am
One thing the media glossed over at both conventions was the scripted votes that were even visible on the teleprompters. Critical votes on contentious issues like screwing the grass roots of the republican party and giving the presumptive nominee complete and total power over delegate selection was a predetermined vote. Great video taken by Ron Paul delegates clearly shows that Boehner had “the ayes have it” already scripted for him despite the fact that the NO’s clearly had it. In Charlotte, the same thing happened regarding the disgustingly pro-Israel vote. The NOs clearly had it but once again courageous delegates captured the pre-determined lies on their camera phones and made the world aware of the sham.
Why does anyone still support these two parties? A local activist is treated like scum if they dissent one bit from the leadership’s current position (notice I didn’t say principles since neither party has any). Good luck if you support peace while your nominee supports total global war (that would apply of course to both candidates this time around – despite the hollow rhetoric coming from the Obama camp). Good luck if you support sound money as both candidates love the inflationary policies of the Federal Reserve that caused our current crisis and are destroying the economy for everyone except the filthy rich. Good luck if you support human rights and civil liberties. We have a president that assassinates US citizens without due process, has ordered the use of drones that have murdered hundreds if not thousands of innocent men, women, and children, and we have his opponent that wants even more war. They both support locking up US citizens without due process forever based solely on their word with no judicial involvement. They both are pushing for an ever-expanding police state with no limits at all on the destruction of the constitution and the bill of rights.
What clearly overshadowed both conventions is that the two party system has clearly FAILED america. These two parties are responsible for every horrible thing we now face in this country. The time for an alternative solution is clearly at hand. We no longer can deceive ourselves into thinking there are REAL differences between these two parties. They are both owned lock, stock, and barrel by the banking, military, oil, union, big business, and big government interests that are destroying the foundation of our very lives.
The sooner americans wake up to this reality, the sooner we might have a chance to actually save what little is left of this country.
Maybe this November the right answer is simply to not play their game. Do not support their rigged elections, their corrupted electronic votes, their corporation controlled selection process and simply not vote. Just think of what a 5-10% turnout would say to the rest of the world and the establishment about our political system. What sort of mandate would the winner have? And who really cares if either of these two guys wins as they are clearly so close in the policies that should matter – freedom and liberty – that neither could do any worse than the other.
cc
September 8th, 2012
11:49 am
Ho, hum . . .
liberalefty
September 8th, 2012
12:08 pm
As a woman i have no choice but to vote democrat if i want to control my reproductive rights. Men don’t realize that the only countries where women don’t control their reproductive rights are in the Middle East and other 3rd world countries. Why would republicans want Amewrican women to have the same rights as women in IRAN, SAUDI ARABIA, Yemen, iRAQ, etc.
liberalefty
September 8th, 2012
12:10 pm
thats what a woman told me why shes voting for OBAMA…he wants to stay out of her womb..
liberalefty
September 8th, 2012
12:12 pm
first the repubs say the government cannot create wealth, but if u ask those big rich defense contractors theyre getting rich on government contracts…
cc
September 8th, 2012
2:51 pm
“As a woman i have no choice but to vote democrat if i want to control my reproductive rights”
I don’t want you to reproduce either!
cc
September 8th, 2012
3:08 pm
Attack Dog @ 7:22 am:
1. Name the advisors,
2. Bain bought companies that were financially troubled and headed for bankruptcy. They saved 82% of them.
3. That is your opinion. The Kenyan certainly isn’t succeeding now, is he?
4. Prove that statement!
5. GM was financed by the TAXPAYERS, and that was a payoff to the unions for their vote for the Kenyan. You really need to check where many of the parts for GM cars are actually made. GM will go bankrupt because the chief reason for their financial problem has NOT been addressed, and that is the UNION!
6. You seem to have left this one out.
7. If you’re voting for Hussein, you have no hope to be smarter . . .
hiram
September 8th, 2012
3:37 pm
cc/td
September 8th, 2012
3:08 pm
“2. Bain bought companies that were financially troubled and headed for bankruptcy. They saved 82% of them.”
For those who aren’t familiar with the pertinent facts as to how Romney actually made his money – facts that Gingrich and his other Republican primary opponents referenced frequently, until they developed amnesia. You would have to be as dumb as a bag of hammers to vote for this guy – but that’a a pretty accurate description of Georgia’s electorate.
“Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital”
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829#ixzz25uLrlPKk
Bernie
September 8th, 2012
3:39 pm
MrLiberty @ 9:31 am – What would you have Us ALL DO? MR “NO LIBERTY? follow YOU or some DICTATOR or TYRANT you have in mind for us to FOLLOW?
We The People REJECT YOU and your insane and unpatriotic words. While we respect your right to SAY THEM. We also reserve the Right to say…HELL NO! and ARE YOU CRAZY?
Go and Sell CRAZY someplace ELSE! We have enough of it Here already! go and chat with CC or TD who will be willing to listen and follow.
There are FREE Thinking People here as well and we ALL Plan to keep it that way with our support and participation of our political process. its not PERFECT by any means and I agree it needs much improvement but what you advocate is a STEP BACKWARDS and FORWARD!
We currently already have a Party that wants to take us Backwards to the 1950’s. We too, will reject them and their IDEAS on November 6th, 2012. Bright & EARLY!
cc
September 8th, 2012
3:43 pm
Here’s FIVE of the biggest lies told by Obama, Biden and Clyburn at the DNC.
Attention liberals: DO NOT READ; it would be terrible if you were actually informed!
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/final-edition-the-5-biggest-lies-from-the-last-day-of-the-dnc-featuring-obama-biden/
td
September 8th, 2012
4:39 pm
hiram
September 8th, 2012
3:37 pm
cc/td
September 8th, 2012
3:08 pm
“2. Bain bought companies that were financially troubled and headed for bankruptcy. They saved 82% of them.”
For those who aren’t familiar with the pertinent facts as to how Romney actually made his money –
Now go ahead and tell us who the investors were that made all this money from the work of Bain? Do you not think these are pertinent facts?
td
September 8th, 2012
4:49 pm
“Among the ironies of President Obama’s attack on Bain Capital is that the investment firm has spent much of its 28 years enriching Mr. Obama’s voters. Bain clients tend to be government-employee pension funds, foundations, trusts and elite universities. According to Dow Jones LP Source, investors in Bain funds have included both Mr. Obama’s alma mater, Columbia, as well as Michelle Obama’s Princeton. A 2008 Journal story noted that Harvard, where the Obamas received their law degrees, has also invested with Bain. All three schools decline to discuss their investments in detail.”
” pension funds for government workers in their home state of Illinois, as well as in Iowa, Maryland and elsewhere.
Mr. Obama likes to say on the campaign trail that entrepreneurs owe their success to teachers, and it turns out that Bain has been making money for teachers, too. Teacher retirement funds in California, Indiana and Ohio have also been limited partners in Bain funds, according to Dow Jones.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304672204577534720019412922.html
td
September 8th, 2012
4:54 pm
hiram
September 8th, 2012
3:37 pm
Since all these Ivy League universities, Foundations, public employees pension funds and teachers retirement funds are the companies that fronted the money to Bain to invest and required them to make a large return on investment then they are the true evil ones right?
td
September 8th, 2012
4:59 pm
Take the California State Teachers’ Retirement System, which has some $1.25 billion invested with Bain. A spokesman for the system, Ricardo Duran, says in an e-mail that its fiduciary duty to 856,000 members and their families is paramount. “With that as a backdrop,” he says, “the scrutiny generated by a heated election year matters less than the performance the portfolio generates to the fund.” And private equity, Duran says, has been the best-performing asset class in the system’s portfolio over the past 24 years.
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/09/02/unions-and-university-endowments-have-invested-billions-bain-press-virtu#ixzz25ujsmXxl
td
September 8th, 2012
5:02 pm
Government-worker pension funds are the chief beneficiaries of Bain’s economic stewardship. New York-based Preqin uses public documents, news accounts and Freedom of Information requests to track private-equity holdings. Since 2000, Preqin reports, the following funds have entrusted some $1.56 billion to Bain:
* Illinois Municipal Retirement Fund ($2.2 million)
* Indiana Public Retirement System ($39.3 million)
* Iowa Public Employees’ Retirement System ($177.1 million)
* The Los Angeles Fire and Police Pension System ($19.5 million)
* Maryland State Retirement and Pension System ($117.5 million)
* Public Employees’ Retirement System of Nevada ($20.3 million)
* State Teachers Retirement System of Ohio ($767.3 million)
* Pennsylvania State Employees’ Retirement System ($231.5 million)
* Employees’ Retirement System of Rhode Island ($25 million)
* San Diego County Employees Retirement Association ($23.5 million)
* Teacher Retirement System of Texas ($122.5 million)
* Tennessee Consolidated Retirement System ($15 million)
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/09/02/unions-and-university-endowments-have-invested-billions-bain-press-virtu#ixzz25uklVEtW
td
September 8th, 2012
5:06 pm
… Leading universities have also profited from Bain’s expertise. According to Infrastructure Investor, Bain Capital Ventures Fund I (launched in 2001) managed wealth for “endowments and foundations such as Columbia, Princeton and Yale universities.”
According to BuyOuts magazine and S&P Capital IQ, Bain’s other college clients have included Cornell, Emory, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Notre Dame and the University of Pittsburgh. Preqin reports that the following schools have placed at least $424.6 million with Bain Capital between 1998 and 2008:
* Purdue University ($15.9 million)
* University of California ($225.7 million)
* University of Michigan ($130 million)
* University of Virginia ($20 million)
* University of Washington ($33 million)
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/09/02/unions-and-university-endowments-have-invested-billions-bain-press-virtu#ixzz25uld2cfI
td
September 8th, 2012
5:07 pm
Now I want to hear you libs talk about how evil Romney and Bain is.
cc
September 8th, 2012
5:17 pm
The more that I read, the more that I find Moochelle to be the equal of Hussein when it comes to outright LYING. In that regard, they are a perfectly matched couple. Her DNC speech about their ‘struggles’ as young people dating and the financial problems they experienced with student loans when first married was ALL an out-and-out LIE.
Why am I NOT surprised?
DannyX
September 8th, 2012
5:34 pm
“Now I want to hear you libs talk about how evil Romney and Bain is.”
Its been a very rough couple of weeks for td. Hang in there buddy!
td
September 8th, 2012
5:51 pm
DannyX
September 8th, 2012
5:34 pm
You have to be kidding right? The past couple weeks have been just about as I expected. Now that the conventions are over all that money Romney has been banking is freed up and can be spent and those super pacs will starting spending their as well. It will take about a month but by Oct. 1 Romney should have a lead in most of the battle ground states and it will all be about who can turn their base out.
DannyX
September 8th, 2012
5:57 pm
“It will take about a month but by Oct. 1 Romney should have a lead in most of the battle ground states and it will all be about who can turn their base out.”
td, there is no way in the world Romney will be leading in the swing states by Oct 1. Bookmark it!
Cherokee
September 8th, 2012
5:58 pm
Here’s FIVE
Get back to us cc when you have some accurate information from a reliable source – Beck’s rag doesn’t qualify – heck he was too weird even for Fox News…
Cherokee
September 8th, 2012
5:59 pm
http://www.gallup.com
So far, td, it isn’t quite working out for you…
cc
September 8th, 2012
6:02 pm
td:
It will soon be over, except for the ‘slow walking’ and ‘sad talking’ by the libs!
I will be glad to get the Romney victory celebration behind us in order to get on to the damage repair that must be done and the growing of the economy for ALL Americans.
td
September 8th, 2012
6:05 pm
Cherokee
September 8th, 2012
5:59 pm
http://www.gallup.com
So far, td, it isn’t quite working out for you…
Since the Obama campaign threatened and the Justice department is investigating then Gallop has become an unreliable source in this election cycle. Did Obama receive a bounce from his convention? I am sure he did and the race is really in about the same place as it was prior to the conventions (Obama 1 to 2 point lead). The difference is that now all the Romney money that he could not spend prior to the election is available to spend.
cc
September 8th, 2012
6:05 pm
Cherokee @ 5:58 pm:
Why don’t you just pont out for us (with evidence) any incorrect information listed in the FIVE LIES?
td
September 8th, 2012
6:08 pm
spend prior to the election
Should read “spend prior to the convention”
td
September 8th, 2012
6:10 pm
cc
September 8th, 2012
6:05 pm
Cherokee @ 5:58 pm:
Why don’t you just pont out for us (with evidence) any incorrect information listed in the FIVE LIES?
While you are at it I would love to hear you, Danny or any other lib comment on how those evil pension funds that invested in Bain should be thrown out of business.
DannyX
September 8th, 2012
6:26 pm
“The bump is actually happening. I know there was some debate whether it would happen… but it’s here,” said Ipsos pollster Julia Clark– From Reuters.com
td, is the Ipsos/Reuters poll being threatened also? Their tracking poll also shows Obama with a 4% lead. They also showed Romney didn’t receive a bounce.
Romney’s money will not win the election. That’s the talk of desperation.
hiram
September 8th, 2012
6:32 pm
CHANCE OF WINNING – Nov.6
Barack Obama – 79.8%
Mitt Romney – 20.2%
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/author/nate-silver/
cc
September 8th, 2012
6:47 pm
td @ 6:10 pm:
“While you are at it I would love to hear you, Danny or any other lib”
WHAT?
Are you including me as a lib? That, sir, is an insult of the highest order!
cc
September 8th, 2012
6:54 pm
DannyX @ 6:26 pm:
“Romney’s money will not win the election”
Apparently Obama thinks HIS money will win the election:
“WASHINGTON–As Election Day approaches, President Obama is burning through campaign money faster than he can collect it — exceeding his spending pace at this stage of the 2008 contest as he expands his field operation and trades combative ads on the airwaves with Republican rival Mitt Romney. Last month alone, Obama spent nearly $59 million through his main campaign account — $10 million more than he raised, financial reports filed late Monday afternoon show. The cost of his campaign so far: more than $325 million, not counting spending by the the Democratic Party committees aiding his re-election.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-08-20/obama-campaign-spending-fundraising/57174798/1
hiram
September 8th, 2012
6:56 pm
Off topic, but maybe someone at the AJC will read this and inquire. The “Virtual Vault” website, which falls under Georgia’s Secretary of State’s Office, hasn’t worked in over a month. When you call the State Archives, they can give no answers as to when, or if ever, it will be back up. Our state, under Brother Deal, is continuing to go to hell in a handbasket.
hiram
September 8th, 2012
7:02 pm
cc
September 8th, 2012
6:47 pm
td @ 6:10 pm:
“While you are at it I would love to hear you, Danny or any other lib”
WHAT?
“Are you including me as a lib? That, sir, is an insult of the highest order!”
Someone who cares needs to check on cc/td. He apparently is off of his meds today.
SheeshLouise
September 8th, 2012
7:16 pm
Enter your comments here
Cherokee
September 8th, 2012
7:22 pm
’cause, cc, I made the decision several years ago not to pollute my mind with the slime from Mr. Beck.
And like I say, since the ever so liberal folks at Fox agree with me, I probably made the correct decision.
td
September 8th, 2012
7:24 pm
cc
September 8th, 2012
6:47 pm
No, no, no. Was just adding to your post of lib unresponsiveness.
SheeshLouise..formerly ??
September 8th, 2012
7:24 pm
IS DONE WITH AJC BLOGS. SEE YA JIM!!! and thanks for continuing to block a comment earlier that had no elements of vile profanity or anything!! I guess you desire to keep your blog thread at a low level.