Your morning jolt: David Koch favors gay marriage, says tax increases may be necessary
TAMPA – As the Republican presidential ticket of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan jetted away, this bombshell was making the rounds, courtesy of Politico.com:
Billionaire industrialist David Koch, who is helping steer millions of dollars to elect Mitt Romney and congressional Republicans, on Thursday [said] he disagrees with the GOP’s stance on gay marriage and believes the U.S. needs to consider raising taxes to balance the budget….
Koch said he thinks the U.S. military should withdraw from the Middle East and said the government should consider defense spending cuts, as well as possible tax increases to get its fiscal house in order — a stance anathema to many in the Republican Party.
“I think it’s essential to be able to achieve spending reductions and maybe it’s going to require some tax increases,” he said. “We got to come close to balancing the budget; otherwise, we’re in a terrible deep problem.”
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Whether you loved it or hated its message, cherish the fact of this Republican National Convention that just ended, because it may be the last of its kind that you see. The major TV broadcast networks, despite their waning power, have successfully dictated a new length to the major political parties – they’ll serve as unpaid venues for Democratic and Republican commercials for three days, and no longer.
And only one hour each day. It was the latter time restriction that got Republicans into trouble last night. Rather than lean on some very effective, very emotional testimony of Mitt Romney’s personal friends, the campaign leaned on Clint Eastwood, the “mystery guest” touted through the week by the campaign, to quickly create a large audience at the front of that hour – with the hope that viewers would hang on to see the presidential candidate accept his nomination.
In that sense, however bizarre Eastwood’s act was, the strategy may have succeeded.
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Where GOP vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan delivered angry attacks a night earlier, Mitt Romney on Thursday had the air of a father demanding the car keys from a teenaged Barack Obama who had broken curfew:
I wish President Obama had succeeded because I want America to succeed. But his promises gave way to disappointment and division.
And if you didn’t choke up at the story of George Romney and the daily rose he gave his wife, you’re not human. But this may have been Romney’s most effective line for wooing independents:
You know there’s something wrong with the kind of job he’s done as president when the best feeling you had was the day you voted for him.
According to my AJC colleague Daniel Malloy, Georgia delegates leaving the Tampa Bay Times Forum for the last time liked the approach:
“I think it really energized the base,” said Joseph Gullett, chairman of the Paulding County Republican Party. “Hopefully it energized people who weren’t Romney supporters before. It shows his direction about the issues.”
Perhaps the most striking aspects of the speech were personal ones, when Romney talked about raising his children and choked up when discussing his late parents.
Insurance Commissioner Ralph Hudgens said the address showed “the real part of Romney that has not been displayed — the man that loves others that’s willing to give himself.”
Hudgens added: “I couldn’t have said what he said without choking up. It made me realize how real he is.”
Bill Knowles, of Macon, said that as compared with the 2008 Republican Convention, this event was crisp and focused on the economy. Yet he was impressed that Romney covered a wide range – both policy-wise and personally.
“There was some humor; there was emotion; it was a well-rounded speech,” Knowles said. “Romney is not the bombastic Chris Christie type. He’s more intellectual. He’s a passionate speaker, and that’s what came through.”
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Here at the Tampa Bay Grand Hyatt, our difficult neighbor has just left.
Reporters covering the Georgia delegation, which is housed here, have been relegated to a cluster of cabanas that are on the Hyatt property, but are about a quarter-mile away from the huge hotel.
It would be rude to suppose that the distance was meant to allow Georgia Republicans to party without fear of observation.
But there was an advantage. The cabanas are apparently where the hotel prefers to house guests with pets, or guests who smoke. For the past five days, we have entertained U.S. House Speaker John Boehner as a neighbor. He didn’t have a dog.
The first tip-off was the Mini Cooper with the “Boehner for Speaker” bumper sticker. The second was the full-throated U.S. Secret Service protection.
But this must be said: There was no loud music, no empties left on the lawn. And except for the fact that, while fetching ice, one was required to keep hands in sight at all times, the neighborhood was a very safe place to stroll – any hour, day or night.
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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honested
August 31st, 2012
11:12 am
Interesting.
While the repugnican party may not be able to face reality, it seems their primary funding source may have finally come to accept the truth.
I guess there is no free lunch, especially when the koch brothers stop paying for it!
ByteMe
August 31st, 2012
11:14 am
The “Eastwood strategy” failed. People are talking about the old guy talking to the chair more than they’re talking about Romney this morning. It’s not good for the candidate to get upstaged like that at his big coming out party.
Road Scholar
August 31st, 2012
11:26 am
Mister Romney, if you have a plan to create jobs, why haven’t YOU already defined it, or given it to Mr Boehmer? You said you love this country; what is your DETAILED plan?
Shine
August 31st, 2012
11:36 am
Too bad Koch didnt come to this revelation and push it BEFORE the GOP kooks caused a credit downgrade with their our way or the highway kookyness.
GaBlue
August 31st, 2012
11:41 am
honested,
This statement from Mr. Koch is not one I am willing to take at face value just yet. People who have done what he’s done don’t just release statements like that without a reason, and that reason is not likely to be that he wants to share his thoughts on homosexuality with the American people.
As for raising taxes, of course, many billionaires believe that working suckers don’t pay enough taxes. That’s why they spend so much money on advertising for such bogus ideas as: “Job creators, if allowed to keep more of our unearned income, will create more jobs for you working schmucks, so back off us already!”
Reality
August 31st, 2012
11:41 am
A Billionaire for republicans – color me shocked. It doesn’t matter that he may disagree with the republican platform….. as long as they protect his billions because that is all that matters.
Come on you middle class Georgians – GET A CLUE!!!!!!
ByteMe
August 31st, 2012
11:44 am
You know there’s something wrong with the kind of job he’s done as president when the best feeling you had was the day you voted for him.
And yet he’s wrong.
I had a great feeling when bin Laden’s death was announced. I had a great feeling when ACA was passed and I realized that my wife would finally be able to get health care coverage without being employed by a lousy employer.
I had a great feeling when GM turned a profit the first time after getting bailed out.
I had a great feeling when we exited Iraq and trounced Quaddafi.
Romney is expecting us to have short-term memories. We can’t remember what yesterday was like, so it must be whatever he tells us it was like. That’ll work on The Goobers, but women, minorities, and college kids are going to remember what the Republicans have stood for the past 4 years… and they are going to not pick Romney.
Tall
August 31st, 2012
11:45 am
I disagree with Mr. Koch. There is no guarantee our elected officials – Republican or Democrat – will be responsible with our tax dollars. Spending needs to be cut. Sooner or later, one of them will have to deliver that cold hard truth. If they don’t, the bond market will. The government – city, state and federal take enough of our tax dollars.
Reality
August 31st, 2012
11:45 am
If Paul Ryan was sincere in his statement…
“I wish President Obama had succeeded because I want America to succeed. But his promises gave way to disappointment and division.”
Then why didn’t he really push for the republicans in Congress to vote for President Obama’s plans and proposals? But, no. Instead they opposed all legislation just to oppose the President which slowed the economic recovery.
Tall
August 31st, 2012
11:48 am
Byte me:
You’re going to lose the ACA when the Federal government defaults on the bond payments. Tax increases on the upper income earners won’t make up for it. Enjoy it while you can. By the way, how is life in Libya these days?
honested
August 31st, 2012
12:16 pm
tall,
Lets make a deal.
We’ll worry about the debt that was incurred to prevent collapse of the American Economy AFTER we raise taxes enough to pay off the entire debt of the Afghan Fiasco and the Iraqi War of Choice.
That way, we at least won’t have to pay interest on those two enormous wastes of blood and treasure.
honested
August 31st, 2012
12:18 pm
Reality,
The only time paul ryan is sincere is when he is thanking contributors for their cash!
ByteMe
August 31st, 2012
12:25 pm
You’re going to lose the ACA when the Federal government defaults on the bond payments
Written like someone who doesn’t understand that without ACA, the Federal government was scheduled to spend MORE uncollected revenues on health care than after ACA was passed.
I’m sure I have a fainting couch around here for you, though.
cc
August 31st, 2012
12:54 pm
honested @ 12:16 pm:
On whom should we raise income taxes?
The top 1% (you know, that ‘hated bunch’) pay 36.73% of federal taxes
The top 5% pay 58.66% of federal income taxes
The top 10% pay 70.47% of federal income taxes
The top 25% pay 87.30% of federal income taxes
The top 50% pay 97.75% of federal income taxes
The bottom 50% pay 2.25% of federal income taxes
Source: http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html
Common Sense
August 31st, 2012
1:15 pm
“Mister Romney, if you have a plan to create jobs, why haven’t YOU already defined it, or given it to Mr Boehmer? You said you love this country; what is your DETAILED plan?”
Why have you not demanded the same thing from the guy that has been POTUS for 3 1/2 years?
yuzeyurbrane
August 31st, 2012
1:15 pm
It was Romney’s best speech and should give him a bump in the polls, even though I note it followed almost verbatim the leaked text Jim published yesterday. So, even though it was delivered very smoothly, it was hardly spontaneous. The debates will be interesting. Romney usually gave a polished debate performance in Republican primaries but the question is how good will he be on questions he has not been prepped for?
zeke
August 31st, 2012
1:22 pm
cc, everyone needs to give
the well to do, tax hikes
middle americans less tax hikes, but some program cuts
the lower classes benefit cuts and program cuts
corporate america tax cuts for job creation that are of cost/benefit
states have done a lot of belt tightening…..go after federal budget with army of cost accountants and efficiency experts starting with dod
cc
August 31st, 2012
1:32 pm
zeke:
“the well to do, tax hikes
middle americans less tax hikes, but some program cuts”
If we’re going to tax ‘the well to do’ more than ‘middle americans’, how much should we raise their taxes? The top 10% already pay 70.47% of all federal income taxes!
Maybe we should just quit screwing around; why not just confiscate all their wealth?
Finally
August 31st, 2012
1:39 pm
Someone said what needed to be said, tax increases coupled with deep spending cuts. Funny, took a billionaire businessman to say it. Haven’t heard squat in this area from any politicians, who don’t make the tough decisions (other than to spend more than we take in minute after minute after minute)
zeke
August 31st, 2012
1:40 pm
cc, the bush/obama tax cuts were unfunded so at minimum those should be rescinded on top earners…the million dollar club, careful not to hurt small business owners.
cc, trickle down is bs and you know it
ByteMe
August 31st, 2012
1:40 pm
The top 10% already pay 70.47% of all federal income taxes!
And the top 400 families in the country control over half the wealth. 400 families vs. 310 million of everyone else.
We got rid of oligarchy before, we need to do it again. For America.
honested
August 31st, 2012
1:43 pm
cc,
Rather than play wrong wing games with you on taxation (I really don’t care who pays what percentage or how they are able to skate under paying more), let’s return to the tables as they were in 1999, you know, back when the ECONOMY WORKED!
jconservative
August 31st, 2012
1:48 pm
Koch has a point. How are we going to stop deficit spending and pay off the $16 Trillion National Debt?
I have seen all kinds of plans but none that address both issues.
The Republicans want to stop the deficits but never mention paying off the debt. And when talking about the deficits they take one third of the spending, defense, off of the table.
The Democrats talk about reducing deficit spending but take two thirds of the problem off the table. And, like the Republicans, never talk about paying off the debt.
For the last 31 years we have reduced government revenue and increased government spending every year. Koch’s point is that maybe we need to increase government revenue and decrease government spending, the opposite of what we have been doing for 31 years.
Auntie Christ
August 31st, 2012
1:55 pm
david koch wants to cut defense spending, raise taxes,get our military out of the Mideast, and get our noses out of folks’ bedrooms. If I or any liberals say that, pox news ‘pundits’ and their blogging brethren call us socialist, tax and spend, Amerka hating, surrender monkeys. Its strange how the repubs can be applauded for a stance that libs are reviled for. Go figure.
Steve
August 31st, 2012
2:10 pm
Any reasonable economist will tell you that you don’t try austerity measures during an economic downturn (ask the folks in Europe how well that worked out for them). We need to go back to the Clinton era tax rates, stimulate the economy, and when the the economy is back to where it was before the devastation caused by 8 years of Bush at the helm, THEN, and only THEN, we need to start streamlining spending. That includes the military, too, where we outspend every other nation 10 to 1.
Common sense, people. But the GOP is not offering this solution, and Congress thwarts the Democrats at every turn when we try to fix this mess.
Maggies Daughter Loves Tech
August 31st, 2012
2:11 pm
The Koch brothers are Libertarians. Not that the Left knows the difference. Learn the difference progressives. They are more like you than you think. Legal drugs, etc. Gay marriage, adoption, gambling. Then mark where these GOP folks are headed nationally and in Dixie. They say money doesn’t buy influence. Where is Sadie Fields when you need her?
GaBlue
August 31st, 2012
2:12 pm
Auntie C,
I wish it were strange, but frankly, it’s not unusual at all. Cap & trade, and health care reform were Republican ideas until Dems bought in. “About… face! Pivot! Attack!”
cc
August 31st, 2012
2:14 pm
ByteMe @ 1:40 pm:
The figures I posted are for income earners; wealth and earned income aren’t necessarily the same thing.
jconservative @ 1:48 pm:
I can live with an income tax increase, but not with one that is unequally applied. If it takes raising the income taxes by 10% (or whatever figure), then apply that equally across the board. Do NOT increase it by 20% on one group, 16% on another and 10% on yet another group. Additionally, programs have to be cut, including welfare. I still don’t understand how a cell phone became an entitlement!
Going Right
August 31st, 2012
2:31 pm
ByteMe @ 11.14a; you should be so lucky to be able to even hold Clint Eastwood’s jock strap, Sport.
Road Scholar @ 11.26a; What? Romney let the idea out of the bag so that Obama can grab and run with it? Besides, the Anointed One has created so many jobs in his 4 years; Romney would be hard pressed to beat the number. Where did anyone get the idea that over 23 million people are jobless? The AO will solve that in his next 4 years…won’t he? I mean…
Shine@ 11.36a: Too bad the people of America don’t really understand that the “Progressives” (a derisive term for Socialist Democrats) are the only ones who have never been, are not now and will never be obstructionists. Perfect creatures are incapable of immature ideas such as that.
GaBlue @ 11.41; Yes, again you head is up you’re a$$. I assume that your last paragraph does indeed only call out Republicans inasmuch as there are no rich, white, Socialist Democrats who have money hidden offshore and only wish to give what that have to the Anointed One’s whims.
Reality @ 11.41; No comment, you are beyond help. Get medical help…now.
ByteMe (again); Of course, Romney is wrong. I’m absolutely shocked that you would even write otherwise – even going so far as to paraphrase his speech. After all, he is a Republican, isn’t he?
Reality @ 11.45a; Foolish boy (or girl)! Poor Republicans that were elected to the house don’t realize that they may NOT POSSESS ideas or thoughts that are contrary to those of the “Perverted”…OOS! I meant “Progressives!” They should just become Socialists, run as socialists and have a House and Senate 100% Leftist, Socialist Dimocratic. What in God’s good name would you and the other whiners on this blog write about then? Oh, yeah, “Happy Days Are Here Again,”…ugh, I’m barfing on the way to the bathroom!
Zekie @ 1.22p; I still submit that I don’t think you’re getting the medical care you should have…but, not to worry, ObamaScare will take care of you and, darn it, I will be helpiing to pay for it. Enjoy, dumba$$.
ByteMe @ 1.43p; “We got rid of oligarchy before, we need to do it again. For America. Well, finally! I agree. It will – God willing _ happen November 6th.
(dis)honested @ 1.43p World Almanac indicates that the US Senate was controlled by the Republicans 55 to 45; the House by (105th.) 228R to 206D; (106th.) by 223R to 211D. For one rare time I agree with you; we did much better with a Republican House working with a Democrat president who would take charge and lead, not play golf.
Anti-Christ: Where you been, bro? Go ahead and say it. You’ve got the media on your side and they’ll protect you.
shav
August 31st, 2012
2:34 pm
when taxes rates are lowered and bases broadened, cuaffers to the treasury fill up with cash.
FDR, JFK, Reagan, Bush 43. Fact check it.
Corporations just raise prices to cover tax hikes, so it only hurts the consumer.
RIGHTISWRONG_AGAIN!
August 31st, 2012
2:35 pm
Elephants don’t won’t to pay their FAIR SHARE of TAXES (% wise, if you make more you pay more, duh!).
They don’t won’t women to be able to control their own bodies.
They think that THEY ARE THE LAST IMMIGRANTS to be able to come to Ameirca.
They are a party that doesn’t care about folk who are less fortunate on a large scale. The government is always the problem, yet if their house is on fire they would be pissed if the fire truck did not come. Yet if we were invaded by Iran, they would be pissed if the Army did not protect them.
They are a party that lies to get what they want! Are they too stupid to know that the POTUS meant that the Government planned the roads, bridges, and infrastructure that we use everyday. I heard the same speech, come on.
They are a party that discriminates against gays, minorities, and women.
They are the party of I got mine, you get yours. My family has money, yours does not, looks like you will be poor the rest of your life with no chance to succeed. Should have picked your parents so you would have someone to borrow money from! LOL
FINALLY, They are the party of ” Just Trust Us”, even though they won’t tell you how they are going to create 12M jobs all while deregulating, taking away access to affordable healthcare, raising taxes on the Middle Class, lowering taxes on the rich (so that they can create jobs like they have been doing, LOL) and keeping the loopholes in place.
Oh, and I you don’t need to know what’s in my taxes! TRUST ME… I would trust Mitt Romney with my dog, he would put him on the roof of his car…… He’s awful and selfish, so is the GOP.
zeke
August 31st, 2012
2:37 pm
going right, like to call names you piece of ship
be glad to straighten your arse out anytime anywhere, pantywaiste
neutral site and not at one of your dumb arse rallies….
come on punk, make my day
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Carol
August 31st, 2012
2:54 pm
I guess now that the Repubs have nominated Romney, Koch felt it was ok to say what he wanted. Because it really doesn’t matter. They are going to take his money anyway, and he is going to give it to them.
The Koch brothers realize that it doesn’t matter much what side of the political spectrum you are on, as long as you’re on their side for the things they want. Seems like the old saying holds true, money talks, BS walks. They have the money and are willing to give it to whomever will dance to their song.
cc
August 31st, 2012
2:55 pm
Aggressively pursuing an energy-independent America will create so many jobs that one would have to hide to keep a job from finding you! (Able-bodied welfare recipients: take note of this!) An energy-independent America will also stop the flow of wealth from this nation to the OPEC nations. Eliminating the use of food (corn) as a supplement for fuel should aid our food supply lessening the need for imported foods as well as encouraging farmers to grow food. All of this will improve our balance of trade and can be accomplished without expending government funds.
Steve
August 31st, 2012
2:56 pm
Shav, we borrowed on Raygun and went into huge deficits. Raising taxes produces revenue which creates JOBS, which in turn provides more revenue for the big businesses. It’s something that has worked in the past and is the only way we are going to get out of debt (including cutting spending).
zeke
August 31st, 2012
2:58 pm
i guess i should apologize to the blog community, ….i just get tired of name calling….poking fun is one thing though that can get out of hand. sorry, i think i will take a break for awhile as football season around the corner.
cc
August 31st, 2012
3:02 pm
zeke:
“going right, like to call names you piece of ship
be glad to straighten your arse out anytime anywhere, pantywaiste
neutral site and not at one of your dumb arse rallies….
come on punk, make my day”
Careful, zeke! This is going a bit far! It also might be wise to know your adversary before issuing a challenge!
Otherwise, it might be “Bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!”
cc
August 31st, 2012
3:03 pm
zeke:
Go Georgia Tech!
Ghost of Eisenhower
August 31st, 2012
3:11 pm
What? Republicans want out of wars they started, raise taxes to pay for wars they started and balance the budget, let loving people mind their own marital business – what kind of bizarro world is this?
Willie
August 31st, 2012
3:23 pm
Nothing will ever be a blizzard as “from this moment the oceans will recede”. That is the very definition of bizarre. Out of place self promoting inappropriate, odd, over the top, arrogant, ignorant. Not that Galloway could ever muster such truthfulness.
Don Abernethy
August 31st, 2012
3:24 pm
He has a lot of money and very little brains. He needs to be a Democrat.
Linda
August 31st, 2012
3:39 pm
Enter your comments here
Right-O
August 31st, 2012
3:46 pm
Time to bring out the “Zombies” again…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAIpI8IxgFs
Linda
August 31st, 2012
3:54 pm
I haven’t been on a blog in months. I can’t believe that there are still any Obama supporters left.
Why can’t more people see that these “progressives” are out to destroy America?
Going Right
August 31st, 2012
3:54 pm
cc: I was going to answer Zekie’s idiocy but you pretty well characterized the situation. Zekie talks a great game but 26 years of Special Forces / USMC didn’t exactly make me a wuss. I make no claims about what I can/will do as I learned a lesson early on at Camp Pendleton: If you look for and invite trouble you are sure to find or get it! But, he said he needed to suit for is little league game so we shall let him pass for now.
Going Right
August 31st, 2012
3:58 pm
Linda:You haven’t missed any real honest dialog as there are but a few of us on the right who are here to help neuter the Progressives and we are having one heck of a job. Pleas don’t go far and join our crowd and help counteract the new 21st. Century oxymoron of all oxymorons: Progressive Democrats.
zeke
August 31st, 2012
4:08 pm
going right, ok ship for brains, one last time, you like to call names, wanna call me one to my face. time and place.
zeke
August 31st, 2012
4:17 pm
that’s what i thought, secrest out!
Linda
August 31st, 2012
4:27 pm
Going@3:58, You can’t cure stupidity.
The Democrats have convinced their minions that they have created jobs.The unemployment rate on Obama’s inauguration day was 7.8% & it’s now 8.3%. Easy math. Not one single net job during his entire term. So what did $6 TRILLION added to the natl. debt do for us? Nada!
And they want more what? To do what?
Is You Is Or Is You Ain't In Favor Of Gay Marriage, Tax Increases?
August 31st, 2012
4:31 pm
@Going Right
August 31st, 2012
3:58 pm
Linda:You haven’t missed any real honest dialog as there are but a few of us on the right who are here to help neuter the Progressives and we are having one heck of a job. Pleas don’t go far and join our crowd and help counteract the new 21st. Century oxymoron of all oxymorons: Progressive Democrats.
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Oxymoron?
We Favor Gay Marriage but the bible says it is unnatural.
Don’t raise taxes but a tax increase is necessary.
CONS need to make up their minds.
Is You Is Or Is You Ain't In Favor Of Gay Marriage, Tax Increases?
August 31st, 2012
4:44 pm
@Linda
August 31st, 2012
3:54 pm
I haven’t been on a blog in months. I can’t believe that there are still any Obama supporters left.
Why can’t more people see that these “progressives” are out to destroy America?
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LINDA, Was this the last time you were heard from?
Linda
January 13th, 2012
10:05 pm
Vampire@9:41, 9:54 & 9:56, You need to lay off your booze or drugs. What is wrong with you? Do you think conservatives on this blog will be impressed by a sot or a drug user? Best of luck to you.
____________________________________________________
Now we know why you have not been on a blog in months.
Progressives are out to destroy America?
ld
August 31st, 2012
4:52 pm
Going Right @ 2:31 & 3:58
The “right” wing-nuts are taking the nation right off that fiscal cliff THEY insisted on setting up rather than even consider compromise. As a PERCENTAGE OF INCOME, the wealthies among us do NOT pay more than the EMPLOYEE CLASS of American –who are the majority of Americans.
This progressive Independent is too conservative on some issues to be considered a democrat; however, rather than put the zealots and neocons in charge, in THIS election, I am very likely to vote for the Dems straight ticket. That said, Georgia, loaded w/bible belt zealots, will likely follow the GOP “right” off that cliff.
The GOP which I supported no longer exists; now the phrase, “smaller, less intrusive government” to today’s GOP ONLY applies to profit$ and the unfettered pursuit thereof.
To anyone actually paying attention, Romney all but said we would be fighting Iran under a Romney Administration, which, like his campaign, will likely be infested w/Bush era neo-con advisors.
If we go to war, we need to win it, NOT BUSH IT.
Bush invaded not one but two countries (for lies, revenge and oil) and in both he pursued a doomed attempt to “liberate” primitives from their own theocratic mindset (”win hearts and minds”) — WITHOUT first either winning militarily or via surrender, Bush GAVE AWAY the hard-fought gains of our troops to corrupt local officials and began throwing money at war profiteers, US and foreign, to rebuild both other nations, while giving away our own nations economic security here at home and making people all over the world trust and respect us less. Those Bush era neo-cons are all still very much aboard the Romney Ryan GOP train wreck seeking to lead us headlong into fulfilling that religious zealots’ self-fulling prophecy of Armageddon. The US does NOT need and may well not even be able to survive another religous zealot as “Commander In Chief”.
We’ve tried two “Bush wars”; in net value to our nation, they have been abysmal failures. If we must fight again in the mideast, the wars need to be to DEFEAT the enemy NOT to try to liberate them from their own chosen primitive mindset.
The next president will very likely determine the future of the Supreme Court that will determine our individual liberty (”free will”) and equal right under law for generations to come.
We DO NOT NEED any more religious zealots of ANY flavor in the White House or on the US Supreme Court. Our individual liberty depends upon preventing it. Our national security depends upon preventing it.
Romney professes to respect women and diversity but, in exchange for the zealot vote, he has made it clear he is all too willing to deny people their own “free will” — individual liberty — to make their own reproductive and lifestyle choices, denying them equal right under law.
Job ONE for Romney would be to get re-elected. Giving him the authority to give away our individual liberty and equal right under law to do that would be a serious error in judgment.
cc
August 31st, 2012
5:05 pm
Linda:
I echo Going Right; join us in our quest to deliver this blog from the libs! They are an unruly and non-thinking bunch but occsionally you can understand what they are attempting to say.
Alan
August 31st, 2012
5:06 pm
You’ll notice Koch was able to disagree with several items associated with the republican party without having the entire world come down on him, stand outside his house with picket signs, hack his twitter account, threaten his family or vandalize his car.
Let’s see someone step out of line at the convention next week and see what happens.
Linda
August 31st, 2012
5:16 pm
Is You @ 4:31 & 4:44, The Bible is capitalized. Where is the passage you referred to as gay marriage being unnatural? What God explicitly said was that homosexuality is an abomination. He is quoted several times.
Liberals will bash Christians no matter what we say. If Christians follow God’s assessment that homosexuality is an abomination, liberals will call us homophobes. If Christians don’t follow God’s teachings, liberals will call us hypocrites.
Thanks for all your research to prove me correct. My goodness! Has it been over 7 months since I’ve blogged? Hope that guy has dried out by now.
They call themselves progressives. That sounds better than Marxists, communists, nationalists, statists, etc. What they are NOT are believers in the free market, that is, freedom. Yes, there is not a doubt in my mind that they are out to destroy America.
Linda
August 31st, 2012
5:30 pm
cc@5:05, Deliver this blog from the libs? Then what would you do for entertainment? Only maturity & prayer will change liberals. We cannot cure stupidity nor teach common sense.
GaBlue
August 31st, 2012
5:31 pm
Linda,
You crammed so much into one post (at 5:16), it would take hours to pick it all apart and out-quote you. Nice going! Bearing false witness seems to come naturally to you; I’ll bet you’re the envy of your Sunday School peers, aren’t you? Bless your heart!
I invite you to read the Book of Matthew again. You remind me so much of the people Our Lord was addressing.
Have a blessed weekend, and I hope you get to enjoy the holiday the Labor Union “liberals” brought for your grilling pleasure and a little extra time with your family. God bless!
NullOp
August 31st, 2012
5:35 pm
The politician will always want more. More money for more programs for more people, blah, blah, blah. It’s a liberal crock! The bottom line with liberalism is “Everything in the state, nothing outside the state”. This can only happen as the government usurps more and more power from the states and the people. Currently, the government is working to enslave citizens with debt by allowing state run universities to raise tuition to the point were almost no one can afford a college education with incurring serious debt.
You can begin to change this in November. Don’t vote for ANY incumbent no matter what they claim. This system must change if America is to remain a free country!
Is You Is Or Is You Ain't In Favor Of Gay Marriage, Tax Increases?
August 31st, 2012
6:10 pm
Myth Robme makes a Freudian slip today and called the country a
COMPANY.
Now we know WHERE HIS HEAD IS.
Bernie
August 31st, 2012
6:16 pm
I just want to know when the TINY Little Dark Heart of Mr.Koch, stops beating What will his MONEY SAY then?
He will GO, just like the POOREST MAN in TOWN!
Just like the REST OF US…..EMPTY HANDED!!
just as he did when he came in to this WORLD!
Linda
August 31st, 2012
6:33 pm
GaBlue@5:31, I didn’t mean to “cram.” Pardon me! My 5:16 post dedicated only 6 1/4 lines to the Bible. Surely, it would not take you hours to debunk my little comment, but if it did, I’m ready to listen. If I’m bearing false witness, please forgive me or kiss my grits.
I’m proud of my 12 years of perfect attendance pins in Sunday School, thanks to my mother, bless her soul, who made sure we attended church during the few family visits across state lines that we could afford. Did you miss a few classes?
I’ve read Matthew upteen times. What did I miss?
Labor unions & their cronyism with Democrats have caused most of the corporate bankruptcies in the US over the years & are the greatest threat today to the states & municipalities, who are at the edge, over a trillion dollars worth plus the post office. We no longer need unions in 2012 & have never needed them in govt., according to FDR.
Not that it matters to you, but we will be laboring this Labor Day Weekend.
Is You Is Or Is You Ain't In Favor Of Gay Marriage, Tax Increases?
August 31st, 2012
7:45 pm
@Linda
August 31st, 2012
5:16 pm
Is You @ 4:31 & 4:44, The Bible is capitalized.
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As a general rule much less capitalising is done these days.
Okay linda?
honested
August 31st, 2012
7:57 pm
linda,
You help define why our country is a place celebrating ‘freedom from religion’ and why there is a clear wall of separation between church and state. Obviously, being in church every time the door is open teaches one how to think with a closed mind and how to be divorced from reality.
honested
August 31st, 2012
8:03 pm
Anyway, two pages of pontificating and I want to put a couple of questions on the table.
What legitimate reasonable arguments would prevent returning to the pre-2000 Federal Tax Tables (and even treat every penny received equally as ‘income’).
What justification is there for continuing Military Industrial Complex spending at more than 60% of current levels? As a follow up, what American Citizen Interests would be diminished if 60% off offshore bases and deployments were eliminated post haste?
And, as always, Obama-Biden 2012!
cc
August 31st, 2012
8:04 pm
honested:
“freedom from religion”
Wrong, lib! Freedom of religion with no state decreed religion.
Freedom from religion is merely you exercizing your ‘free agent’ status to find your way to hell.
honested
August 31st, 2012
8:08 pm
cc,
Without complete ‘freedom from religion’ there is no possibility of ‘freedom of religion’.
One need look no farther than most Gulf States (including Israel) to find adequate proof.
To find one’s way to ‘hell’ first there would need to be a place known as ‘hell’. Of course, since it is another invention of the societal control mechanism known as ‘religion’ it has no value to American discourse.
honested
August 31st, 2012
8:10 pm
cc,
By the way I put in my 12 hours today.
Did you find useful work yet?
Linda
August 31st, 2012
8:29 pm
Is You @ 7:45, Capitalizing is spelled capitalizing, for your information. Yes, much less capitalizing is done these days & who sets that “general rule?” Isn’t capitalism the type of government that our Founding Fathers bestowed in our Constitution, i.e. the freedom of property & rights?
Going Right
August 31st, 2012
8:33 pm
Do you all know how those with an I.Q. of plant life settle their differences? By puffing out their chests, thumping, giving ape calls and swinging from trees ala Tarzan. When you have little or no brains, that’s the way to get attention. To the one this is directed to, there is psychiatric help for you and other poor souls that suffer from insecurity and are actually dumb enough to believe all disagreements can be settled by out “bad-a$$in’” some one else…especially when he has no idea to whom he is speaking. I don’t need that vapid bravado to prove my point ergo I will not proceed any further and lower myself to someone else’s baseless station in life and someone who is that brain-dead and hopelessly lacking in good judgement.
Do you get the point…ZEKIE?
cc
August 31st, 2012
8:35 pm
honested @ 8:03 pm:
“American discourse” is no longer possible. The battle lines have been drawn and there will be no retreat and no surrender. Whatever you call yourselves (liberal/progressive/socialist/communist), you have chosen a leader and a path which unimpeded will destroy America. You would weaken us militarily making us vulnerable to our enemies. Failing that method of destruction, you will stand by and cheer as your leader dismantles this country bit by bit ending with the collapse of the financial system. You buy into the class warfare rhetoric and watch gleefully at the hatred fomented by your so-called leader against anyone who is financially better off than you despite the ability, education, efforts, sacrifice and work ethics that afforded them that success. The truly sad part of this is that the suffering you would bring about would affect those who defy the destruction of this country as well as yourselves.
This election is the most crucial in American history. The outcome will determine whether America continues to exist as a nation. It is an election that conservatives cannot and will not lose.
As far as you (whatever term you use to describe yourselves), as Forrest said, “Stupid is as stupid does”, or better still, “You can’t fix stupid”.
Going Right
August 31st, 2012
8:44 pm
(dis)honested @ 7.57p; In your answer to Linda, you said, in essence (I believe that’s what you meant to convey) my be true – particularly in the case of the Anointed One who attended the “Reverend” Jeremiah Wright’s church in Chicago for 20 years (as he has acknowledged). So, we can now suppose – with your understanding – that the Anointed One does “think with a closed mind and (is) divorced from reality. I guess you’re right once again. When one hears a consistent and hateful homily of anti-American vitriol each Sunday for that long, it’s bound to have some effect, wouldn’t it?
honested
August 31st, 2012
8:54 pm
going wrong,
How long have these delusions plagued you?
Where do you get this ‘anointed one’ nonsense and why on earth do you think for a moment that rev. wright plays into my worldview in even a tiny tangental way?
Why on earth do you think that failing to worship anything (especially wealth) is somehow ‘anti-American’.
Help is available, if only you will seek it out.
cc
August 31st, 2012
8:55 pm
Going Right:
It’s Friday night and I guess that the libs have settled in with their case of beer and their bag of weed. It will probably be fairly quiet here tonight.
Police departments will undoubtedly be busy, though!
honested
August 31st, 2012
8:56 pm
cc,
You take the cake.
You preach nothing but ‘hate’ for any worldview that differs from yours.
Is your view of ‘freedom’ a concept that includes thinking and acting just like you?
If so, you have truly missed the point.
By the way, did you ever find useful work or are you still drawing from the public teat?
honested
August 31st, 2012
9:06 pm
cc,
By the way, ‘conserrrrrrvatives’ have already lost.
Most of America (with our pathetic little state soon to follow) has come to understand that ‘more conservative=more misery’, more conservative=more failure.
Quick, genius, tell me what ‘conserrrvative state (in terms of governance) has broadly improved the living standards for the MAJORITY of it’s citizens?
That’s right, there ISN’T one.
American Citizens are slowly awakening to that simple fact.
Linda
August 31st, 2012
9:06 pm
homested@7:57, Your handle is spelled incorrectly, as that is any indication that you have any credibility on this blog.
Maybe you should re-read the Federalist Papers, which most of us were required to read in high school before these progressives dumbed down our schools.
There is no mention of any separation of church & state in our constitution.
Going Right
August 31st, 2012
9:09 pm
ld @ 4.52p; Other than an obvious (additional) oxymoron – “progressive independent”, I have no quarrel with your post aside from general disagreement with much of it. You are one with whom I and others can carry on a civil debate with. When a conservative blogs on the Galloway blog, they are suspect (self included unfortunately) of being without morals and brains if they dare to profess a belief in smaller government, lower taxes, freedom to excel and a great host of other generally right of center ideas.
The Republican view is, of course, bolstered by a constant barrage of negativity from all 3 major networks in addition to BSNBC, CNN and lord knows how many internet websites. It’s no wonder a lot of people feet the way they do about conservatives. I watched the major networks for many years and all I saw was conservative bashing until I happened upon FOX News and finally got a chance to see “the other side of the story (with a hats off to Paul Harvey).
My main concern, when all hyperbole and one-sided rhetoric is peeled away is the fact that this government (now) is borrowing almost 1.4 trillion dollars per year over expenditures – with 40% being used to pay the interest on borrowed money. The Anointed One wants to raise taxes (on the rich whoever they may be) and cut spending. That is a fallacy and you (and others) know it. If every “rich person” paid an additional 50% of their earned income it would still leave an unsustainable debt… There would have to be cuts. The Anointed One wants to cut military spending only with little else on the plate, and refuses to ever discuss the possibility of perhaps cutting a bloated government payroll, Social Security shrinkages, Medicare, etc.
I think I can say without reservation that most Americans (including the “progressives”) believe that even if taxes are raised prohibitively high and spending is cut (prohibitively), The Anointed One will still waste money on pet projects, buying votes from the union and satisfying a myriad of splinter groups – enough to ensure that he and the Progressives remain in power ad infinitum
cc
August 31st, 2012
9:13 pm
honested:
I don’t have a “world view”, I have an American view.
I want you to have the freedom to do whatever you like so long as it does no harm to any other person. I want you to have all you can acquire as long as it is not obtained by fraud or force. I want you to be protected from enemies, both foreign and domestic. I want this for all Americans, but I resent the hell out of anyone wanting to weaken my country or change it into anything but the representative republic functioning under the rule of law. If you voted for and support the Kenyan, you want to change my country and that makes you my enemy.
honested
August 31st, 2012
9:18 pm
linda,
The ‘Federalist Papers’ were nothing but a ’sales job’ to get the Colonists to buy into the Constitution.
See ‘Bill of Rights’ (as important as the original text) to find the meaning of ’separation of church and State’.
Or ask yourself, why did the founder of the University of Virginia (Thomas Jefferson) determine that it was best NOT to have a chaplaincy on campus?
Linda
August 31st, 2012
9:18 pm
This is what the liberals don’t want to hear. The federal govt. is borrowing 40 cents of every dollar they are spending. What that means is that we need to eliminate 40% of the federal govt.
To pay down the natl. debt, we need to eliminate another 10% of the federal govt.
honested
August 31st, 2012
9:19 pm
cc,
There has never been a ‘Kenyan’ on the ballot.
Only Americans, that I proudly voted for and will do so again.
Did you find a job?
honested
August 31st, 2012
9:22 pm
linda,
How much of that 40 cents goes to the Military Industrial Complex, offshore military adventures and support of offshore bases that provide NO additional security to American Citizens (only the profits of American corporations).
How much of the current total debt is the result of past and recent unnecessary military adventures (like the Iraqi War of Choice). How much of the bill has been evaded by those who profited from the accumulation?
If you can’t be honest about this, you shouldn’t be so quick to vapidly pontificate the nonsense you learned on talk radio.
honested
August 31st, 2012
9:24 pm
going wrong,
If we don’t restore revenue sanity (adequate taxation) we will only ’service’ the debt (fine with repugniklan bankers) and the principal basis will never be reduced.
Your argument fails, again.
Linda
August 31st, 2012
9:25 pm
homested@9:18, My name is Linda, not to be confused with linda.
You re-established my point!
Thank you!
Is You Is Or Is You Ain't In Favor Of Gay Marriage, Tax Increases?
August 31st, 2012
9:26 pm
@Linda
August 31st, 2012
9:18 pm
This is what the liberals don’t want to hear. The federal govt. is borrowing 40 cents of every dollar they are spending. What that means is that we need to eliminate 40% of the federal govt.
To pay down the natl. debt, we need to eliminate another 10% of the federal govt.
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heeheeheeheeheehee
Thank you GENIUS.
Is You Is Or Is You Ain't In Favor Of Gay Marriage, Tax Increases?
August 31st, 2012
9:28 pm
@Linda
August 31st, 2012
9:18 pm
This is what the liberals don’t want to hear. The federal govt. is borrowing 40 cents of every dollar they are spending. What that means is that we need to eliminate 40% of the federal govt.
To pay down the natl. debt, we need to eliminate another 10% of the federal govt.
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heeheeheeheeheehee
Thank you linda.
cc
August 31st, 2012
9:31 pm
honested @ 9:19 pm:
I am not in search of employment. I am comfortably retired, but I appreciate your interest. Should I ever need employment, may I apply at the gas station where you work?
(Absolutely no offense intended to folks who work at gas stations. I did that in my early life, too!_
Linda
August 31st, 2012
9:41 pm
homsted@9:22, In the scheme of things in 2012, as far as our natl. budget goes, does it matter to us voters what goes to what?
Do we need to ask ourselves how many trillions of dollars have been spent on patrolling the Middle Eastern waters to secure our reliance on Middle Eastern oil, when we have a larger supply of oil in the US than in Saudi Arabia?
Do liberals remember the votes in congress to go to war in Afghan. & Iraqi & do liberals remember that congress learned of the Libya war from TV?
cc
August 31st, 2012
9:43 pm
Is You Is Or Is You Ain’t In Favor Of Gay Marriage, Tax Increases?:
You are childish, aren’t you? Why not go away and return after you have gone though puberty?
honested
August 31st, 2012
9:45 pm
cc,
So you are still drawing off the public teat?
Pity.
honested
August 31st, 2012
9:47 pm
linda,
We don’t need middle eastern oil (or to supply our treasure to any middle eastern vassal states).
We do need higher fuel economy regulations and much, much higher taxes on all types of motor fuels.
Of course, the repugniklan notion of ‘cheap gas forever’ will be a hard nut to crack in your party.
Linda
August 31st, 2012
9:49 pm
Is You @ 9:26 & 9:28, Pitiful. Just pitiful. Is that all you have?
Bring it on, liberals.
honested
August 31st, 2012
9:49 pm
linda,
It is a shame that Congress was browbeaten by that criminal repugliklan who used to be president and led to believe that we actually had interests in Iraq isn’t it.
But cheney did get money for his shareholders so everything is ok, right?
honested
August 31st, 2012
9:51 pm
going wrong,
Did you doze off or was it time to take the wig off and go to bed?
B foreal
August 31st, 2012
9:51 pm
cc
August 31st, 2012
9:43 pm
Is You Is Or Is You Ain’t In Favor Of Gay Marriage, Tax Increases?:
You are childish, aren’t you? Why not go away and return after you have gone though puberty?
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Who do you people think you are talking to?
You ain’t talking to your mama or your wife. Or who ever.
You don’t know these people and be glad that
you can hide behind your computer.
Coward
honested
August 31st, 2012
9:53 pm
Time to get back to work.
Sorry for all you wrong wingers, your hollow arguments fail again!
Linda
August 31st, 2012
10:09 pm
homested@9:47, I guess you have not read the latest report from the National Geographic Survey. Even if you believe that global warming exists & that it is caused by man, perhaps you might be wrong to think that politicians in DC can control the climate by taxation, nationally or globally.
Perhaps burning our food (corn) in our gas tanks might be driving food prices in our grocery stores to soar. Perhaps burning our food (corn) in our gas tanks might be causing world-wide starvation.
cc
August 31st, 2012
10:16 pm
B foreal:
Your schoolboy playground attempt as a would-be bully just terrifies me!
Go beat your chest for someone else. I am not impressed . . .
double
August 31st, 2012
10:19 pm
I remember we did not lose an american military life in lybia.Mission accomplished.
Linda
August 31st, 2012
10:23 pm
homested@9:49, You must be kidding! Congress was browbeaten/intimidated into voting for the war in Iraqi? Democrats were pawns? My goodness! Democratic Senators & House of Representative members were stupid? They seemed so forceful on the videos on U-Tube.
cc
August 31st, 2012
10:28 pm
This is the very best speech I’ve ever heard obama give.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?feature=player_embedded&v=WH_a0cGVRmI
20/20
August 31st, 2012
10:58 pm
There is a deep psychological divide between Romney supporters and Obama supporters.
Romney supporters sign their checks on the front, and Obama supporters sign theirs on the back.
Going right
August 31st, 2012
11:20 pm
Geez, the economy has been so great these past 4 years I really have to think twice about voting Republican. With the absolute prosperity and the reduction in our debt, the Anointed One has done it.
(dis)honested @ 8.54p;
The “delusions” you speak of are getting better. Most were brought on by nightmares that the Anointed One had been re-elected and it frightened me so much that I could not get cognitive dissonance on a 50/50 keel, but, thanks for asking.
The Anointed One? Because he is treated in the press and by his minions as the next best thing to indoor toilets (which most socialist/liberals have, by the way), ergo: The Anointed One.
The Reverend Wright was a reference to the Anointed One’s “church-going” days when he heard homilies that would have triple-X ratings if they were shown in a theater.
Worship what you wish dear fellow (or gal); it may help you cope better with reality, and:
Thanks for the mention of help. Please do ask you psychiatrist if he’s taking new patients. There are several on here that need help! Not me though as it is with cc, I am comfortably retired and spending my small fortune as fast as I can before a chance that the “progressive/socialist/leftist/Dimocrats” may be elected and POOF! there goes everything I worked for and saved during my military and civilian lives. Ain’t gonna happen.
honested
August 31st, 2012
11:54 pm
linda,
You didn’t just drink the wrong-wing kool-aid, you smeared the gooey stuff at the bottom all over youreslf. Nobody but extremist wrong wing nuts (on the wrong wing fringe of wrong wing nuts) still has any disagreement with what you fools demean as ‘global warming’, and here’s a hint, your imaginary god won’t protect you from your own stupidity. Get at least a hint of a clue.
20/20 (hindsight) ’signing the check’…..Really, ask my employees!
going wrong…Keep it up, you have given me months of material, and it is all so looney. I can’t believe people are so detached as to make this sh*t up!!!
honested
August 31st, 2012
11:56 pm
linda,
While you are ‘youtuibing’, find the discussions from the only honorable member of the shrub administration (Gen. Colin Powell) and get his take on the ‘Iraqi War of Choice’.
Jeez, you clowns are so wrong that you think night is day!!!
double
September 1st, 2012
12:04 am
Going right has more than one life.Must be going right.
Liz
September 1st, 2012
1:29 am
If the Republican platform was not so radical, the gender gap would not be so great. Republicans all over this country are trying to control women’s reproductive rights on a state or national level. It is a huge step backwards. Proposed regulations requiring women to go through certain procedures and “educational” consults, waiting periods, and even transvaginal ultrasounds is an insult to women’s intelligence. They are designed to harass and or humiliate women.
I would not go backwards.
Bernie
September 1st, 2012
1:49 am
Am I? The only one FOUND it STRANGE and Weird. That Mitt refused and with purposeful intent NOT to even mention OUR TROOPS? Not ONE TIME!…… in a time of 2.5 wars? defensive homeland footing, 10+years of fighting?, many still being killed weekly?
Looks like, We have the same ole MITT, from 1961-1973. The Time when America’s Boys were being killed at a much higher RATE and NUMBERS. VIETNAM! in the end it was some 55,000. Scores of Injuries that are STILL with US today.
Mitt DID “not” “care” THEN! ………………….Mitt DOES ” not” “care” NOW!
Not ONE TIME! not one time…..Not One..Not even a mention.
America….. SAYS its.. TIME…. To Do…. The ….RIGHT THING! …… Boot Mitt!
MESSAGE!!!!!!!!
Buckhead Boy
September 1st, 2012
4:08 am
Bernie, I’m affraid that I have to disagree. Mr. Romney did care then. He demonstrated in favor of that war — before heading off to convert souls along the Seine. One might say, his heart was on the right while his body was on the Left Bank. Or, as one of the less charitable old boys put it at the club the other night: “He was on a swift boat too. One to France.”
And, as far as caring now, he may not have mentioned it Thursday night, but in the past he’s never shied away from affording another generation of boys and girls a free trip to Afghanistan. In fact, from what he did say in that speech, one might deduce that he has in mind even more trips for them.
I do have a question for our Republican friends about Mr. Romney’s speech to the RNC. Was that addressed to Mr. Chairman or Mr. Chair Man?
Attack Dog
September 1st, 2012
5:45 am
1. $3 Trillion the debt added in the past fours years came as a result of tax cuts and wars in the Middle East. 2. We have the Bush tax cuts, and nothing but more tax cuts over the past four years, so where are the jobs Dixiecrats? Construction workers build Willard a new garage doesn’t quite get it.
Attack Dog
September 1st, 2012
5:54 am
1. Going from losing 750,000 jobs per month to adding 150,000. 2. The Dow going from 8,000 to 13,000. 3. One war down and one to go. 4. Health insurance coverage for viagra and now birth control pills. 5. A FEMA Director who knows what he is doing. I’d say that is pretty darn good. But hey, who is counting for those who can’t?
Attack Dog
September 1st, 2012
5:59 am
Any woman smart enough to vote Dixiecratic (Southern Conservative), is scared enough not to believe the truth.
hiram
September 1st, 2012
7:18 am
Some objective reality:
How Romney Made His Fortune — It Ain’t Pretty, and He Shouldn’t Be Proud of It
“Earned” is a very generous way to put it.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2012/matt-taibbi-reveals-how-romney-made-his-fortune-it-aint-pretty-and-he-shouldnt-be
DeborahinAthens
September 1st, 2012
7:23 am
The Republicans are master manipulators. Using Rovian tactics which got our worst president ever (GW Bush) elected and re-elected, the Repugs repeat lies over and over and their constituents are so stupid, they begin to believe them…or else, they just don give a damn. Listening toPaul Ryan telling one lie after another –all easily checked out, made me ill. These people are not your friends and I wouldn’t believe a word someone like Koch would say. They would all (forcibly, legitimately) rape their grandmothers to get elected.
Going right
September 1st, 2012
7:57 am
What promises made by bin Obama were broken? No fewer than 83 and counting:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/
BTW: PolitiFact is the holy bible of the left for disparaging the Republican Party and conservatives.
If you think thes “broken promises” are made up and false, write them a letter and let them give you the PROOF
hiram
September 1st, 2012
8:09 am
@deb
“…it’s almost like he has a kind of a religious conviction about being able to lie to people outside of the tent, so to speak. You know, there’s that tenet of some forms of extreme Muslim religions where it’s OK to lie to the infidel.” MattTaibbi
I think Taibbi is correct – it’s part of Romney’s extreme religiosity. If you’re not a member of his cult, you don’t matter…
Going right
September 1st, 2012
8:09 am
(dis)honested: “..going wrong…Keep it up, you have given me months of material, and it is all so looney. I can’t believe people are so detached as to make this sh*t up!!!”
At least we have something else in common: I, too, have months of material from you. Make this sh*t up? The standard answer from someone who try to wish away facts and distortions. won’t work. Go on Google, for instance and check out Michele Obama’s statement from a campaign rally (for the Anointed One made in North Carolina:
“The truth is, in order get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of the pie so that someone else can have more.” She made the remarks on the campaign trail in North Carolina on April 8, 2008.” (Quoted right off the PolitiFact page).
Ain’t I good at making things up? I forgot to ask, what pie woul like to throw in to be divvied up?
D man
September 1st, 2012
8:23 am
Gay marriage is not something that our political leaders should be worrying about when our economy is in shambles. Focus on the problems and not the things that don’t really matter to the majority. Have you noticed gas prices lately or did you know that your taxes are about to sky rocket too next year after several bills are inacted if not repealed. Focus people, stop looking away from the real issues…
hiram
September 1st, 2012
8:26 am
This is how Romney and his partners in crime became filfthy rich.
‘Dividend Recapitalization’
The dividend recap has seen explosive growth, primarily as an avenue for private investment firms to recoup some or all of the money they used to purchase their stake in a business. It is generally not looked upon favorably by creditors or common shareholders because it reduces the credit quality of the company while only benefiting a select few.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dividendrecap.asp#axzz25Dg1lxSf
hiram
September 1st, 2012
8:40 am
@ D man
It’s a lost leader – like when the grocery store lowers their price on bread to get you to shop there, but doubles their price on milk – knowing that you will probably buy both. Bundling irrelevant issues that excite the “unwashed” is part of the Republican rob-you-blind while you’re not looking strategy.
They know their “ditto head” market well, and exploit it at will.
cc
September 1st, 2012
8:52 am
Going Right:
I didn’t realize until a few days ago the extent to which these libs are parroting the ‘talking heads’ who pass themselves off as journalists of the ‘mainstream media’. I can watch/listen to these ‘journalists’ and then find their words repeated here by the libs. For all the bravado expressed by some of these libs, it would be difficult to find a few good men frequenting this blog. Even Chesty himself would have a difficult time squaring them away.
hiram
September 1st, 2012
9:05 am
@cc
You are the perfect of example of Johnny Isackson’s “unwashed voter” – the Republican pied pipers feed you very simple and easy to remember terms, like “lib”, which becomes a major component of your limited vocabulary – you used it three times in one paragraph.
cc
September 1st, 2012
9:32 am
hiram @ 9:05 am:
My use of the term ‘lib’ was simply an attempt to be nice. Your post is duly noted and I will refrain from being nice in the future.
cc
September 1st, 2012
10:07 am
DeborahinAthens:
“the Repugs repeat lies over and over and their constituents are so stupid, they begin to believe them”
There isn’t anyone so stupid as an obama supporter . . .
“telling one lie after another –all easily checked out”
Yes, the Kenyan’s lies are easily “checked out”, but I can almost guarantee that you haven’t done so. I can post link after link where you can see and hear obama lies but you wouldn’t view/listen to them anyway.
hiram
September 1st, 2012
10:25 am
Obama is no more a Kenyan than Romney is a Mexican – the difference is, Romney’s father, who was born in a polygamous cult’s Mexican hideout, entered the U.S. illegally.
cc
September 1st, 2012
10:28 am
“The Obama administration has privately concluded that a cap and trade law would cost American taxpayers up to $200 billion a year, the equivalent of hiking personal income taxes by about 15 percent.
A previously unreleased analysis prepared by the U.S. Department of Treasury says the total in new taxes would be between $100 billion to $200 billion a year. At the upper end of the administration’s estimate, the cost per American household would be an extra $1,761 a year.
A second memorandum, which was prepared for Obama’s transition team after the November election, says this about climate change policies: “Economic costs will likely be on the order of 1 percent of GDP, making them equal in scale to all existing environmental regulation.”
Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504383_162-5314040-504383.html
“Too many Americans are out of work or need better-paying jobs. While Congress and the president have been distracted on other issues, our nation’s unemployment remains too high and prospects for recovery too dim. We must return to a real jobs agenda that neither raises taxes nor kills existing jobs.
When the administration or its supporters do mention jobs, it is usually sheep’s clothing hiding a wolf. I am talking about cap-and-trade bill proponents trying to hide the pain of their proposals behind a green jobs curtain. But the American people are duly skeptical of the potential for green jobs to overcome the burden of new energy taxes or the existing jobs that will be lost.”
Source: http://www.rollcall.com/features/Energy-Environment_2010/energy_environment/-44980-1.html
cc
September 1st, 2012
10:31 am
hiram @ 10:25 am:
If you believe the words of the Kenyan himself, his wife and his paternal grandmother, he is a Kenyan . . .
hiram
September 1st, 2012
10:40 am
@cc
So, you are a birther, a disclosure that automatically disqualifies you from any serious discussion.
hiram
September 1st, 2012
10:52 am
cc @ 10:28
“A second memorandum, which was prepared for Obama’s transition team after the November election, says this about climate change policies: “Economic costs will likely be on the order of 1 percent of GDP, making them equal in scale to all existing environmental regulation.”
So, you also deny climate change. The foreign owned oil and coal companies have to be pinching themselves – who would have thunk that so many Americans could be so uninformed and gullible.
cc
September 1st, 2012
10:55 am
hiram @ 10:40 am:
No discussion with you is ’serious’; you parrot, others discuss.
cc
September 1st, 2012
11:16 am
hiram @ 10:52 am:
I do NOT deny climate change. Earth has experienced heating and cooling throughout its existence as geologists have proven. I do deny that man has caused it. The ‘Little Ice Age’ lasted 300 years and only ended in 1850. Although it was not a true ‘ice age’, the temperatures were such that the resulting famine caused by shorter and much wetter growing seasons and diseases enabled by malnutrition killed millions of people. There is at least one school of thought which expects the approach of yet another period of cooling.
There is one ‘plus’ to the global warming scam; it has served to enrich one the dims brightest stars – Al Gore.
newt schmoot
September 1st, 2012
12:21 pm
Interesting comments from Koch – guess it goes to show that Republicans are not all in lock step, actually hold a variety of opinions on the issues. And thanks for your description of things in Tampa, especially reporting on our trusty Georgia delegation.
I found the RNC convention’s overall organization and Romney’s adult-in-the-room personae reassuring, after the last several years of childish I-want-all-the-candy behavior in the White House. (that would be both Bush and Obama administrations)
It will be interesting to see what the DNC trots out next week in Charlotte, where folks proudly proclaim they don’t belong to any organized party.
Going Right
September 1st, 2012
12:29 pm
cc: You may have had the good sense to go forward to a more enlightening endeavor and left me to fend off the Dumbo! OK, however, and you are forgiven. I just had to comment on you post (above). That is exactly my sentiment down to the last letter. I would only ask that those who fret over “Global Warming” please tell us how the Ice Age of 10,000 years ago happened. Man has absolutely nothing, I repeat, nothing to do with the perceived (and alleged) “Global Warming.” Anyone with even a modicum of brain cells can think outside the box and look up into our universe. They must think we live on a small sound stage and the fumes coming from any car engine’s exhaust will ruin our air. There are incalculable trillions and trillions of cubic feet of space within just 1,000 miles of Earth, let alone in our planetary system. You could turn on every pollution-inducing mechanism on earth and let them run for 10,000 years and the “polluted” air still would not reach the moon’s atmosphere. Poor Al Gore; he exemplifies the phrase, “A waste is a terrible thing to mind.”
Truth-O-Meter
September 1st, 2012
12:35 pm
1) We know Republicans were not wishing that Obama would succeed. They are the ones who cheered when the Obama-led US delegation lost its bid for the Olympics to be held in Chicago. I knew then that this would be a very difficult presidency.
2) This week they RNC paraded one woman after another about how they rose from adversity to realizing the American dream, yet still consider the President to be un-American. Mitt said that we need an American leading; like who the heck he think this president is.
Until their actions match their rhetoric, they could never get my vote.
cc
September 1st, 2012
12:39 pm
Going Right:
“Poor Al Gore; he exemplifies the phrase, “A waste is a terrible thing to mind.”
Al Gore is laughing . . . all the way to the bank.
cc
September 1st, 2012
12:43 pm
Truth-O-Meter @ 12:35 pm:
Republicans have less chance of ever getting your vote than a civil rights protest without money has of getting Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.