Your morning jolt: In Georgia, presidential contest could be 2008 redux

When Karl Rove recently shifted Georgia from “safe Romney” to “lean Romney,” he hinted that the adjustment was motivated by the lack of recent polling.

But Better Georgia, a Democratic-leaning group, is out today with an automated poll indicating that the 2012 presidential contest in Georgia could be a near-repeat of 2008, with Mitt Romney leading Barack Obama, 49 to 46 percent.

In 2008, Republican John McCain beat Obama, 52 to 47 percent.

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The automated poll of 1,158 likely voters was conducted Aug. 15-18 and has an MOE of 2.9 percent.

The statewide poll also declares that 57 percent of likely voters support want the current Medicare program kept in place even if it means raising taxes. Thirty-one percent favor a voucher system.

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The paragraph below, excerpted from an email sent by Scott Paradise, campaign manager for 12th District congressional candidate Rick Allen, is notable on many levels.

But look how quickly a certain Missouri congressman has become a Republican pariah. Emphasis is mine:

After their advertisement was proven to a flat-out lie, career politician Lee Anderson’s campaign has pulled the advertisement, which was produced by disgraced Missouri U.S. Senate Candidate Todd Akin’s media firm, off the airwaves. Lee Anderson’s campaign began falsely running an advertisement accusing Rick Allen of committing a felony on Friday – less than one week after being caught falsely accusing Rick Allen of donating to John Barrow in a mail piece sent to thousands of voters.

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Speaking of Todd Akin, who may hold Republican control of the U.S. Senate in his hands, here’s the TV ad up with, apologizing for the rape/pregnancy controversy:

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The AJC’s Politifact Georgia today takes a look at whether state School Superintendent John Barge has reversed his position on charter schools.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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153 comments Add your comment

Jakey

August 21st, 2012
8:41 am

What does he mean when he says “not in the heart I hold?” Does was that just 3 seconds of filler at the end?

JPL

August 21st, 2012
8:51 am

Akin’s views about outlawing Abortion under all circumstances is shared by Ryan and is in the GOP platform. The republicans have been using terms such as “honest rape” and “forcible rape” for a long time. In fact Paul Ryan co-sponsored a bill with Akin redefining rape. Personally I don’t know why he is apologizing and what he is apologizing for.
His beliefs are main stream now in the republican party.

td

August 21st, 2012
9:03 am

Jim,

Would you like to make a wager that in Georgia Romney will receive more then 52% of the vote?

WOW

August 21st, 2012
9:11 am

That poll is as out of whack to the left as some of the Insider Advantage polling to the right. I suggest averaging them together to come up with something close to what it right. The generic ballot percentages look very strange.

td

August 21st, 2012
9:17 am

This poll is released on the basis that Georgia is 39% Democrat, 31% Republican and 25% Independents.

Yea, these numbers are reflective of where Georgia lines up. The funny thing is Romney is still ahead by 3% with about a 10 to 20% disparity in the reality of how the state actually votes.

Rabbit

August 21st, 2012
9:28 am

It’s a long way to November in fickle world of public opinion, 24 hr news cycles and ever refreshing blogs. Any thing could happen in the Peach State.

Double Zero Eight

August 21st, 2012
9:32 am

Willard will easily win Georgia. Both candidates know
this, and neither will spend any time in Georgia as
a result

Frederick Douglass

August 21st, 2012
9:32 am

This morning the sun rose in the east, and most Georgians are going to vote Republican (regardless of how sorry), so what else is new?

lars

August 21st, 2012
9:36 am

Repeating JPL, just because it has to be said again and again: Akin’s views about outlawing abortion under all circumstances is shared by Ryan and is in the GOP platform. The republicans have been using terms such as “honest rape” and “forcible rape” for a long time. In fact Paul Ryan co-sponsored a bill with Akin redefining rape. Personally I don’t know why he is apologizing and what he is apologizing for.
His beliefs are main stream now in the republican party.

td

August 21st, 2012
9:41 am

ars

August 21st, 2012
9:36 am

“Repeating JPL, just because it has to be said again and again: Akin’s views about outlawing abortion under all circumstances is shared by Ryan and is in the GOP platform.”

It is pretty basic you either believe that all life is important and if so then abortion is murder or you do not believe the unborn is human life and therefore it is not murder.

Marshall

August 21st, 2012
9:41 am

Wow, Galloway! Did you even check the poll’s info? You do know that Better Georgia is a very left-leaning group, correct? td hit it right on the head. Georgia, a state with the GOP firmly in control across the board and a state in which the Democratic Party is in shambles, is now magically a blue state with Dems outpacing GOPers by 8 points? Come on, man. And look–I’m a Libertarian/Independent–I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’ll be voting for Gary Johnson. But to put this poll out as legit is lazy at best, or intellectually dishonest at worst. This poll is an absolute joke!

Yudont Nomey

August 21st, 2012
9:45 am

One is a puppet and the other is the devil. You guess which is which. Clowns to the left of me; Jokers to the right. For the working class it doesn’t matter who wins. It’s going to be more taxes and more war either way.

East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)

August 21st, 2012
9:53 am

Todd Akin’s comment is truly what the GOP believes and would want to implement given the chance. The Establishment is just mad at him for putting it out there for all to see.

Auntie Christ

August 21st, 2012
10:01 am

Folks down here regard anything other than a 10th generation baptist as borderline heretic, except for methodists, of course, who are tolerated because basically methodists are just baptists who can read. So if romney wins by less than the 5 points mccain did, it will be because of romney’s religion and not due to some sudden enlightenment on the part of the unreconstructed electorate comprising most of the of the south.
Voting against their self interest is part of their DNA. These are the descendants of people who voluntarily fought and died to protect an aristocracy that regarded their white tenant farmer ancestors as only slightly better than the slaves they held. They were too ignorant to see that the only reason the aristocracy tolerated their presence on the plantations was they worked for nothing, whereas slaves had to be bought, fed and half-way cared for. Later when the industrial workers of the north were unionizing and entering the middle class as a result, the only industrial workers in the south, the weavers and spinners of the cotton mills were tar and feathering any organizer who dared mention the word “union’ in their midst.
Now that most of the pre-WWII generation is gone historical revisionists feel safe in demonizing FDR and the “welfare state,” which is what made the “solid south” solidly democratic throughout the 40’s 50’s and 60’s until the aristocrats once again convinced poor whites that their best interests lie in protecting the rich, else carpet-baggers and Black folks would eat them and their young.

Baron DeKalb

August 21st, 2012
10:12 am

TD: You know as much about pregnancy and having babies as a rooster knows about laying eggs. It’s easy to call it “murder” when it’s a choice you’ll never have to face personally.

buzzkill

August 21st, 2012
10:13 am

What Aunti said.

Dirty Dawg

August 21st, 2012
10:17 am

Saying that this episode with this idiot Akin (don’t know why everybody’s making such a big deal over it, Georgia’s got a bunch of Republican Congressmen that routinely skin their ignorance and ‘reveal’ their prejudices…but I digress) ‘opens a window to his mind’ doesn’t go near the reality. This, along with the entire litany of initiatives attacking women’s reproductive rights, voter suppression efforts, refusal to tackle immigration reform, open obstruction of anything the Obama Administration might propose – even positions previously proposed by Republicans, willingness to tell any lie and to buy any politician in order to get and keep power…all this is way more than a window and way, way, more than one Congressman. It is a wide-screen, 70 MM, high-def, look at the entire Republican Party. I would say ‘today’s’ Republicans but it goes way back. They simply don’t subscribe to the concept that the USA is a country of diverse peoples and cultures. They’re still holding on to the ‘Manifest Destiny’ of ‘white men only shoud call the shots’. Suffice it to say that George Bailey would have voted to elect Democrats…Mister Potter simply bought Republicans…and if they were to remake ‘It’s A Wonderful Life’ today, George Bailey would be black, brown or yellow.

td

August 21st, 2012
10:19 am

Baron DeKalb

August 21st, 2012
10:12 am

Well I am getting my information from my wife and my mother. They have had 6 children between the two of them and say that they both felt the life within the time of conception.

Baron DeKalb

August 21st, 2012
10:22 am

How would your wife and mother feel about the big bad government forcing them to carry to term any egg that gets fertilized? That is the position you support, right? Total denial of any abortion services, any woman who gets pregnant has no choice other than to carry the child to term?

nekkid belly-flops in the galilee 4 jesus

August 21st, 2012
10:23 am

You know your in trouble when your to the right of kirk cameron on abortion.

Shar

August 21st, 2012
10:26 am

@td: If “all human life is important”, how do you justify your support of war, killing in self-defense or the death penalty? If all human life is equal to all other human life, those acts are indefensible.

The issue with Todd Akin, apart from his antediluvian views, is his habit of stating ignorance as fact to advance his own sociopolitical views. He tried to buttress his flat-earth understanding of women’s bodies by referring to “doctors”, but no doctor beyond those basing their degrees on voodoo would ever support such a stupid contention. This guy sat on the Science and Technology Committee, for crying out loud – and THIS is the level of expertise we can expect? His only use for science appears to be twisting it to his own purpose, which is forcing others, and particularly women, to act on his own personal, extreme beliefs.

Women cannot be secure in their control over their own lives and health with reckless, ruthless evangelicals in power who are determined to impose their own interpretation of “faith” on everyone else. Between forced vaginal sonograms, laws that require doctors to lie to women regarding their conditions and their options, legislators who say that women should expect to be raped and should “prepare for it by taking birth control, the same as I prepare for a flat tire by carrying a spare”, talk show hosts who sexually vilify women who dare to testify in favor of insurance coverage for birth control, legislators like Akin who have no comprehension – or apparent interest – in the facts of women’s health but who work relentlessly to gain control over it, presidential candidates who say that laws should be enacted that force a woman to carry and raise the child of her rapist “to make the best of a bad situation”, and vice-presidential nominees who try hard to take all choice away from women regarding sexual health, the GOP has shown conclusively that they are only too willing to sacrifice women’s health, their futures and their self-direction in slavish pursuit of an extreme faction of voters.

Todd Akin did not apologize for believing that there is some magic switch that allows women to avoid pregnancy if they are not enjoying the sex. He did not apologize for working as a legislator to force women to carry fetuses they don’t want. He apologized for poor word choice.

The poll finding Georgia slightly less red is indeed silly. This state will elect Romney by a landslide. I am hoping that Akin will stay in the Missouri race and tip the balance away from extremists in the Senate.

Pkorman

August 21st, 2012
10:28 am

Yes, Jim, and what percent of the population believes in flying unicorns if your sample is composed of 40% who believe in flying unicorns? Did you take note of the statewide results of the TSPOST ballot? How about the last 4 elections? It is your right to believe in fairies and flying unicorns. In the USA, you still have a right to assemble with like believers. And you remain privileged to have a soapbox with which to peddle their fantasies.

Mild mannered Moderate

August 21st, 2012
10:31 am

I can’t tell. Both sides are the same. Two dollars. Both sides. It’s all so confusing.

Darwin

August 21st, 2012
10:33 am

When abortion is outlawed, only outlaws will have abortions. It will not stop them, but merely drive them underground. Along with the illegal immigrants. Do I sense a theme here?

Thomas Heyward Jr

August 21st, 2012
10:36 am

The welfare/warfare party is getting desperate.
The warfare/welfare party is knipping at their heels.
.
While the decent people put the above……..behind them and vote Decency.
.
Ron Paul or Gary Johnson or no vote.
You’ll be a cut above.

Auntie Christ

August 21st, 2012
10:38 am

I just love the selective “morality” of the so-called right to lifers. “Oh the poor unborn, they must be protected,” as they wring their hands in despair and condemnation. This is the same bunch that put g w bush in the Presidency, a man responsible for the death by cluster bomb of god only knows how many living, breathing children and the maiming of countless others. These are the same ones who voted for “bomb, bomb Iran” mccain, and will vote for romney who keeps his sons out of the military while threatening to “bomb, bomb Iran.” Despite numerous studies that show that as many as 6% (1 of every 16) death row inmates are innocent, these RTL folks will cheer rick perry’s boast about the people he has executed during his tenure (bush executed over 100).

If you don’t like abortions, don’t get one, and keep your nose out of the private affairs of a woman and her doctor. They won’t ask about your prostate exam or erectile dysfunction, don’t ask about their Ob/Gyn exam.

Finally, if a fetus was supposed to be regarded as a person, we would be able to take the deduction on our taxes, it would be counted as a person in the census, and you can bet that Delta, Greyhound and Golden Corral would be charging for two people instead of one.

Get a clue on taxes, GOP

August 21st, 2012
10:41 am

Funny how people think that rolling back the Bush tax cuts – which were supposed to end two years ago – would be a tax increase. By the same logic, if a store had a sale, at the end of it, people would claim that they were jacking up the prices.

Get a clue, people – taxes have NEVER been lower than they are now, and the jobs growth hasn’t happened. Revenues are needed so that the gov’t can then spend money to hire people to fix infrastructure, hire police/firemen and teachers. They, in turn, generate taxable income and spend money – which businesses need.

This isn’t rocket science – this was how it was done when our economy was booming.

Shar

August 21st, 2012
10:41 am

@td: As a woman who has given birth to three children, I can say with absolute authority that it is impossible to “feel the lift within the time of conception”, assuming that you meant “at the time of conception.”

As I have written before, I am also a woman who has had a molar pregnancy – http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001907/ As the article states, this condition frequently results in problems for the fetus, danger for the mother and sometimes fast-growing carcinoma, which is boosted by the human growth hormones flooding the pregnant woman’s system and which is almost always fatal if left untreated throughout gestation. My husband and I did not have to make the choice of abortion versus my health and safety as I spontaneously aborted during my fourth month – a dangerous situation in and of itself. Other women are faced with that choice, however, and people who take your viewpoint feel morally entitled to step into the consultation between the doctor and patient, limit the information the doctor can legally provide and take away the option – safe abortion – that is most recommended, all in the name of beliefs that neither the woman, her partner or her doctor may share.

That is the pro-life position I simply cannot understand. Why do you feel that your beliefs trump my own, as well as my life, my health, my decision-making process, my doctor’s expertise and my right of self-determination?

td

August 21st, 2012
10:43 am

Auntie Christ

August 21st, 2012
10:38 am

” if a fetus was supposed to be regarded as a person, we would be able to take the deduction on our taxes, it would be counted as a person in the census’

What about the laws that say it is double murder if a pregnant woman is killed?

Tinkerella

August 21st, 2012
10:47 am

What Auntie said…..

James

August 21st, 2012
10:49 am

How much is going to be spent on this election? A billion… two billion? All to get the same result as in 2008 with the exception of Indiana and perhaps North Carolina.

blue dog

August 21st, 2012
10:51 am

Auntie Christ

Great post !!! You made my day.

Jeb

August 21st, 2012
10:52 am

How does this affect the Dawgs’ 2013 recruiting class?

td

August 21st, 2012
10:52 am

For you feminist, who have probably never had a child either, that believe conservatives are hypocritical because they believe in life in the womb but also the death penalty and war, there is one little thing you are leaving out. Accountability. The person that receives the death penalty is doing so because they took another innocent life with malicious. They sacrificed their own lives when they made the cold blooded choice to commit murder. What choice did the unborn make? What crime did they commit? Why are they being punished?

Here We Go!

August 21st, 2012
10:58 am

Auntie is right. The Goopers better beware, the monster they are awakening with their platform of no abortions with no if’s, and’ or buts, is female. And she is not happy!

RetiredSoldier

August 21st, 2012
11:11 am

Let’s get real about abortion and where republicans stand, not the myths on this blog. First, I have never met, heard or read of any republican that blieves ALL abortions are wrong. Every republican I have ever met had an exception in the case of the life of the mother. Second not all republicans believe in the only exception is for the life of the mother, many also believe in exceptions for rape and incest. Other republican are pro-choice, yes in the republican party. So forget the myth that all republicans are opposed to ALL abortions, it just isn’t so.

Now I’ll bet one person will find a quote from some republican that ALL abortions should be illgeal. Have at it guys.

Frederick Douglass

August 21st, 2012
11:12 am

BOMBSHELL…………..somebody married td!

Cooley is better!

August 21st, 2012
11:12 am

A lot of my pals in Northeast Georgia are “not thrilled” with the two GOP choices in the runoff for the Ninth District Congressional Nomination. Just a reminder, Jody Cooley is running as a Democrat in November – learn more about him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12Ji5v2O_2A

Here We Go!

August 21st, 2012
11:15 am

Retired Soldier – you are correct – just like all democrats don’t think all abortions should be allowed. I am pro-choice but would give anything if there was a time when abortions were never needed, but unfortuantely, abortions have been here since time began and they are not going away. Given what you said however, the republican platform states all abortions should be banned – no exceptions. How can you justify that?

cc

August 21st, 2012
11:18 am

“presidential contest could be 2008 redux”

Oh, shock and horror! Do you really think so?

I’ll bet the farm on it.

In fact, it will be worse than 2008 for the dimocrats and more like a repeat of the rejection most Georgians exhibited to the dimocrats in 2010.

My hope and belief is that the nation will reject the Exalted Ruler totally. He can then sink into the obscurity he so richly deserves.

RetiredSoldier

August 21st, 2012
11:21 am

Direct to your source Here We Go! I would like to verify it. Heck the National Right to Life organization has the exception for life of the mother, rape and incest, unless they recently changed it.

Here We Go!

August 21st, 2012
11:24 am

Retired Soldier -
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Tampa, Florida (CNN) – The Republican Party is once again set to enshrine into its official platform support for “a human life amendment” to the Constitution that would outlaw abortion without making explicit exemptions for rape or incest, according to draft language of the platform obtained exclusively by CNN late Monday.

Auntie Christ

August 21st, 2012
11:35 am

td
August 21st, 2012
10:52 am

The person that receives the death penalty is doing so because they took another innocent life with malicious.

You replied to my earlier comment which included stats about the number of innocent people on death row, but then you post this comment. I can only conclude that you are comfortable with the fact that innocent people are wrongly put to death. Given the blood lust of the right wing, who cheer shock and awe, who cheer rick perry’s boasts of the number executed, what matters if a few innocent people die for crimes they are innocent of, law and order must be preserved. But, by god, it’s important to separate those illegitimate rapists from those legitimate ones, we can’t have illegitimate rapist doing time. That would be unfair, and unchristian like.

RetiredSoldier

August 21st, 2012
11:37 am

I read the article, I was correct, there is an exception. That is the life of the mother. Which was the intent of my orginal post, the myth that all republicans are opposed to ALL abortions is not true.

RetiredSoldier

August 21st, 2012
11:41 am

Auntie -

The democrats that cheer the blood lust of killing OBL, that double down on the deaths via drone strikes, double the number of troops in Afghanstan and continued Bush’s policy in Iraq.

Who did you say had “blood lust”

AnotherSoldier

August 21st, 2012
11:44 am

RetiredSoldier – It is appalling to me that a fellow soldier seems to think it is just fine and dandy to force a woman to go to term with a pregnancy from rape or incest. You may be a soldier, but I’m beginning to wonder if you were in the Afghan army.

What’s next for you? Honor killings?

Bernie

August 21st, 2012
11:51 am

Congressman Todd Akin, Please STAY! Do Not withdraw! President OBAMA needs you to deliver….. Georgia and the rest of the Republican strongholds! :)

honested

August 21st, 2012
11:56 am

Another Soldier,
Look into our hillbilly past and you will find approval for honor killings.
These people haven’t changed their minds in over 100 years!

Shar

August 21st, 2012
12:01 pm

@td 10:43: The laws you mention were specifically written and enacted by pro-life legislators for the express purpose of establishing the fetus as a separate being so that arguments like yours could be made.

As to your 10:52 post, you earlier stated,”It is pretty basic you either believe that all life is important and if so then abortion is murder or you do not believe the unborn is human life and therefore it is not murder.” Killing people whose actions you decry is still killing; killing civilians and enemy combatants is still killing. You can’t have it both ways. Either there are permissable reasons for killing or there are not.

And where is your response to my question as to why you believe your point of view should have been forced down my throat when I was facing a potentially fatal complication of pregnancy? If you are going to subjugate me to the point of death, you had better have a really good rationale for it.

@Auntie Christ, you are in rare form today!

GaBlue

August 21st, 2012
12:06 pm

A Redux?

COOL! Loved that awesome party we had downtown on election night! Hope turning to joy as each state was called for Obama. Singing, dancing, praying, drinking…. Embracing total strangers while bursting into jubilant sobs… The Conga line that went on for hours… Honking and celebrating in the streets into the wee hours.

SURE! Let’s do it again! See y’all there!