When silence becomes a virtue in political campaigns

Martha Zoller and Doug Collins debate in Georgia Public Broadcasting studios on Thursday. Unlike candidates in other races, the two 9th District foes didn't balk at meeting face-to-face. Jason Getz, jgetz@ajc.com

Martha Zoller and Doug Collins debate in Georgia Public Broadcasting studios on Thursday. Unlike candidates in other races, the two 9th District foes didn't balk at meeting face-to-face. Jason Getz, jgetz@ajc.com

Despite their membership in a profession eternally linked to open mouths and open mikes, Georgia politicians have become a particularly silent group this summer.

And no, they don’t want to talk about it.

Over the past few weeks, the Atlanta Press Club has sponsored 16 select primary debates — some aired live on public TV, some delayed — featuring local, statewide and congressional races.

More than half the debates featured an empty podium — the symbol of the candidate who decided that absence was the better part of valor. Of the nine candidates who declined to appear, seven were incumbent officeholders, said Lauri Straus, the APC’s executive director.

Four refusals came from sitting members of Congress: Paul Broun of Athens, Hank Johnson of Decatur, John Lewis of Atlanta and Lynn Westmoreland of Coweta County. All easily won their July 31 primaries.

State Rep. Lee Anderson of Grovetown had participated in a multicandidate APC debate highlighting the Republican contest for the 12th Congressional District. But Anderson refused a one-on-one confrontation with Republican runoff rival Rick Allen, an Augusta businessman.

Likewise, Tim Lee, the incumbent chairman of the Cobb County Commission, has declined all invitations — including one from the APC — to appear side by side with Republican runoff rival Bill Byrne, the former commission chairman.

Both contests will be decided Tuesday.

If voters don’t always watch debates — the press club’s series should be considered a public service rather than a ratings driver — they at least like the idea of such forums. We are a nation of comparison shoppers. Put the Ford next to the Chevy, and let us choose.

Which is exactly why politicians hate debates. Incumbents especially think of the staged events as platforms offering challengers unearned legitimacy — a chance for upstarts to bask in reflected glory.

For them, debates are all risk with no payoff. They eat up valuable time for study and preparation. And YouTube now guarantees that any gaffe lives forever.

Might an empty podium mark an incumbent as aloof or detached? Especially at the congressional level, the financial advantages of incumbency erase any such worries. So tip your hat to U.S. Reps. Rob Woodall of Lawrenceville and Phil Gingrey of Marietta, who met their Republican challengers in APC debates last month — and still won handily.

But there is another, unspoken reason for a political candidate to avoid a debate: the lack of a talent for public argument.

Lord knows that glibness isn’t always the key to success. When he ran for governor in 1982, Joe Frank Harris could barely match subject to verb, but won nonetheless and turned out to be very good at his job.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, Ralph Reed was too erudite by half in his GOP race for lieutenant governor in 2006. His very smoothness exacerbated suspicions about his Washington connections.

Consider Anderson, the Republican candidate in this year’s 12th District race to face down U.S. Rep. John Barrow, D-Augusta.

Allen, his businessman rival in the GOP runoff, is well-spoken. Anderson, however sincere, doesn’t possess a natural gift for gab. Joel McElhannon, his campaign consultant, said Anderson didn’t have five hours to waste on a trip to Atlanta for the press club debate. But Anderson was willing to make the same trip a week earlier — for a fundraiser.

Anderson has been endorsed by Gov. Nathan Deal and Attorney General Sam Olens. But other Republicans worry about how Anderson might fare in the tumult of a general election.

“There is [a] short, simple, painful truth about Lee Anderson,” wrote Erick Erickson, editor of Redstate.com. “He has seemingly never met two syllables without tripping over them. In a debate, John Barrow would eat the man up with some fava beans and a nice chianti.”

McElhannon also serves as a political consultant for Lee, the Cobb County commission chairman — who, like Anderson, has refused all runoff debates.

“The public has had more than ample opportunities to hear from the candidates in this race,” said McElhannon, who counted up a dozen or so pre-July 31 debates. “Byrne’s behavior at more recent debates and in public has become increasingly erratic, hostile and disrespectful to the voters. Tim is just not interested in being associated with any person or event like that.”

Scruples aside, anyone who has watched Lee over the years has sensed that while he is a creditable manager, he has a discomfort with public confrontation. By contrast, Byrne, his opponent, has a talent for extemporaneous speaking. He loves a fight.

Lee, like many others, is gambling that the public won’t miss what it doesn’t see.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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55 comments Add your comment

td

August 18th, 2012
2:08 pm

The reason is that the incumbents(both republican and Democrat) know the only way they can lose is in the primary and they do not want to be held accountable for their actions.

Abe Lincoln

August 18th, 2012
2:19 pm

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak up and prove it.

The Snark

August 18th, 2012
3:07 pm

You think “lack of a talent for public argument” is the reason some of these people are avoiding a public question and answer session? How about “lack of basic knowledge and understanding about government”? Georgia has a whole new generation of office-seekers who have learned they can get elected just by repeating bumper-sticker platitudes (”I’m conservative! I’m against taxes! My opponent thinks Obama is an American citizen!”) These people don’t know anything and they don’t have to know anything. Knowledge, skill, and ability are irrelevent. They only qualification is convincing voters that you believe the same stuff they do, even when that stuff has nothing to do with the job. Can you imagine any more perfect example than a know-nothing talk radio host running for Congress?

Bernie

August 18th, 2012
4:33 pm

If they are Republican and smart, silence would be the best option at the moment. They should lay awake night wondering, if all of the WOMEN of Georgia are going to show up at the POLLS in November to VOTE AGAINST everything Republican due to the recent passing of archaic Laws furthering restricting the Rights of Women when it comes to their own BODIES and their Healthcare needs across Georgia and America!

The very thought, should cause daily nightmares of very long lines of women at the polls preparing to VOTE…….SMILING!

Not to worry….they WILL! VOTE for SURE! :)

Weetamoe

August 18th, 2012
4:42 pm

Obama is doing pretty well with his *let’s you and him fight* strategy. Unemployment is up in 44 states, gas and food prices are going up, Fannie and Freddie need another bailout, but if he can just keep convincing different minority groups that republicans don’t like them, if his surrogate Biden keeps warning African-American audiences that the republicans will put them in chains, if he can convince voters that Buffett and Gates and Spielberg and Clooney are *good* rich and Romney is *evil* rich–he can’t lose.

Eli

August 18th, 2012
4:53 pm

These debates are stupid. Nobody watches them. They are just an opportunity to slip up or for these nobody challengers to try to embarrass an incumbent on television.

Not only that, most will not know the candidates after the ‘debate’ anyways. They are a farce and are totally void of substance. Tom Price, for example, has represented the 6th for 8 years now. After the 2010 Price’s name recognition was still below 10%. Amongst republican primary voters it was just over 15%. It is bad enough for Congressional candidates, it gets worse for candidates down the ballot. Chip Rogers, the Senate Majority Leader and arguably the 2nd or 3rd most powerful man in GA, has a district name recognition rate of 8% (12% amongst republican primary voters).

Why do I bring these facts to light? Silence is a virtue in politics. Politicians in the US, especially the South, only become known to the public when they get into trouble. I brought Price and Rogers up because they have represented a district that I have a house in and because they have been around for a while…but very few of their constituents, and fellow partisans I might add, can even correctly identify them as their representatives.

Time Official

August 18th, 2012
5:05 pm

HMMMM… I thought J. Galloway was going to come back Tuesday the 21st. Did I read that blog incorrectly? I’ll go ahead and adjust my calendar forward. Works for Daylight Savings so it should work on calendars.

Going Right

August 18th, 2012
5:09 pm

Snark: “Can you imagine any more perfect example than a know-nothing talk radio host running for Congress? No, that Al Franken was the epitome of what you way. He was elected, however, and you didn’t mention that dear fellow (or gal).

Bernie

August 18th, 2012
5:22 pm

Weetamoe @4:42 pm Unfortunately, All of your recommendations are certain LOSERS! All President OBAMA needs to do is let MITT “THE PROUD ONE”…continue with his self adorning PRIDE and keep his Taxes hidden!. Ryan “THE LITTLE HORN” keep insisting that his Medicare Plan is a good thing for SENIORS! and that he is a very smart and WONKY GUY!

Sounds like a winning recipe to ME!……….:)

td

August 18th, 2012
5:35 pm

The Snark

August 18th, 2012
3:07 pm

” Can you imagine any more perfect example than a know-nothing talk radio host running for Congress?”

Community organizer being elected President.

td

August 18th, 2012
5:36 pm

Bernie

August 18th, 2012
5:22 pm

You are dreaming again.

Shammu

August 18th, 2012
5:46 pm

You should not hold it against incumbents (or challengers, for that matter) who skip the APC debate.

Everyone knows the APC debate series is nothing more than GPTV checking a box so it can claim it’s fulfilling its mission in informing the electorate. Does anyone seriously believe you can have a meaningful debate over entitlement reform or charter schools when you’re allowed no more than 1 minute to answer questions?

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Bernie

August 18th, 2012
6:16 pm

td @5:36 pm – the strange part it will be your worst nightmare very soon! Can you say
Re-election? :)

Bernie

August 18th, 2012
6:30 pm

td @ 5:35 pm – I want share something with you. The Republicans have always tried to make to make the terms “Community Organizer” a dirty word and as something unappealing or some kind of failure. Little Do you know or realize that this GREAT NATION was started by a very small group of Community Organizers!

The Founding Fathers were a group of Community Organizers. They were just a loosely connected of communities who came together as a Group to take on the British EMPIRE! Imagine THAT! :)

They were quite successful too! Just take a look around and you would be amazed at the wonderment they have created. The coming together as a group to write and sign The Declaration Of Independence. A wonderful document that is still the Beacon of Governments of the world to this very Day!

Those Community Organizers came from every walk of life. Many without a formal education but with a Dream of building a Nation based on a close knit loosely tied communities spread over a vast land. Community Organizing is AMERICA!

Its our true History! So I smile and laugh every time when I hear uninformed individuals like you trying to make it a disparaging remark. Its a Proud Heritage to be a part of. America was not built or lead by the Mitt Romney’s of their time. The Mitt Romney’s of that period of time supported and backed KING GEORGE!

its time to check your American History and learn its true beginnings!

Just a little for you and your ILK to think on this WEEKEND!

Happy Research to you…:) You will find, what I have just stated as true and correct!

Ray

August 18th, 2012
6:51 pm

Tim Lee’s wish list unnecessarily put a huge bullseye on the T-SPLOST, transportation initiative. Air traffic control tower, PLEEEASE?!!! Cobb should impose landing fees before holding it’s hand out to taxpayers.

Good luck, Commissioner Lee, you are going to need it!

double

August 18th, 2012
7:00 pm

Know nothing radio host vs the all knowing lawyer.She would have to learn all the tricks.

Kris

August 18th, 2012
7:52 pm

One way to silence them for a while is to
VOTE ALL INCUMBENTS OUT!

Impeach Dirty DEAL, Recall Reed.

That will help Fix the problem in the short term.

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Hillbilly D

August 18th, 2012
10:45 pm

What are referred to as “debates” are actually joint news conferences. If you want to have a debate, get rid of the panel asking the questions and let them go at each other, one on one.

GT GRAD

August 19th, 2012
12:02 am

The four incumbents who made the unbelievable decision to not even show up (leaving an empty podium) is absolutely and completely unacceptable.

Question regarding all 9 candidates who made this cowardly decision (how many were Democrats & how many were Rebublicans)??

Obama only agreed to 3 debates and ALL three will be moderated by lefties (of course). People need to be aware of the very deliberate tactics being planned and implemented to inflate the Democratic votes in 2012 (registering like crazy so they can submit more bogus votes and not exceed the typical voter turnout percentages, no photo ID required to vote, they plan to mail thousands and thousands of bogus absentee ballots {ACCORN has mastered this approach} in addition to the standard bogus votes for Democrats from dead people, prisoners, illegal aliens, etc.)……..people need to wake up and know voter fraud by Democrats is absolutely REAL.

double

August 19th, 2012
1:16 am

Obama four more years.Elected by any means.

rawmilkdrinker

August 19th, 2012
5:04 am

I’ve known Lee Anderson for over twenty years, John Barrow even longer, and can say without hesitation that both are good men. I would take either one over the buffoon that we have as a representative in the tenth district.

Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis

August 19th, 2012
6:46 am

The point of political debate should be to submit for the Electorate’s appraisal which candidate manifests a closer understanding of Our Holy Creed’s three mottoes – as gauge-block for determining whose hand should be trusted on the levers of our government…which has obviously run amok with major universities now hosting symposia on Bush’s and Cheney’s having committed 9/11 with seeming impunity, just as Bush’s father and Cheney’s mentor, Nixon, have yet to be brought to justice for having assassinated President Kennedy and Dr. King to restore the illegal Fed Scam JFK had ended, and to send us to die shedding innocent blood as papal catspaw shoring up Rome’s Indochinese colonial elite using the same CIA with which the anti-Gentile Talmudic Khazar Zionist Mossad allied to blow up the World Trade Center, turning Our New Israel into their “golem.”

These charades, unattended by incumbents, only spell further disaster and bankruptcy, moral and financial, for the People whose duty by “Annuit Coeptis” is to cast the Beast, the Fed/Vatican banker, “Big Oil” Rockefeller-Bush Roman Catholic CIA/FBI Fifth Column of “the real Anti-Christ” the prophet Thomas Jefferson identified, into the pit of full expropriation and judicial execution, that G-d bless America once more.

The sovereign People unwilling to be returned to the “chains” every tory traitor/Mammon-worshipping, philistine draft-dodging zombie believes we need, must reassert the sovereignty granted to us in covenant with the Deity at Our Founding. It’s called “American Exceptionalism” for a reason, despite the twin fasces nailed to the front wall of the U.S. House by General Sherman’s, and, for over two thousand years in Rome, “the Wall Street of slavery’s” co-religionists.

Hundreds of mIllions of rounds of hollow-point .40 caliber ammo purchased by “Homeland” security?

Who is being kidded here?

Repatriate and expropriate the thirty trillion dollars off-shored in accordance with fascist economist Pareto’s prescription, in fascist plutocracy’s attempt to destroy the threat posed by the People’s affluence.

Free patsy James Holmes, of the transparently obvious staged massacre in Aurora, CO, and allow his FICO chief scientist and global financial fraud expert father, Robert Holmes, to publicly testify of the trillions stolen from us he helped discover in the LIBOR scandal.

And above all, understand that sectarian factionalism is the “divide and conquer” Rome has perfected for thousands of years with the symbiotic assistance of a “diplomatically” deported platoon of those who helped Babylon’s Fifth Column on 9/11.

One serves the few or one serves the many. “E Pluribus Unum” is not a joke nor does it tolerate “elite” rule.

Unless Truth, Justice, and the Creator be restored to rule in America – The New Secular Order – the People is doomed and Satan will continue to laugh with delight.

Taboo is treason. Silence is enslavement and death.

Death for Treason

G-d is not mocked.

Buckhead Boy

August 19th, 2012
6:57 am

GT Grad opines: “… .people need to wake up and know voter fraud by Democrats is absolutely REAL.”

Please cite the cases on which that opinion is based. I know that the Republicans in PA would appreciate that, as they had to stipulate in court that they knew of nary a one in defending a measure that could disenfranchise three-quarters of a million voters intended (in their own words) to facilitate Mr. Romney carrying the state. Frankly, the only recent conviction for voter fraud of which I am aware involves the Republican Secretary of State of Indiana. And, how about the aide to the Republican legislator in Wisconsin who sponsored that state’s voter ID bill being under investigation for serial voter fraud? Then there were the instances of Republican Congressman McCotter and right-wing procateur O’keefe. And, didn’t Mr. Romney claim to live in his son’s basement to vote in MA just two years ago?

Can you support your opinion GT Grad, or are you just another guiless victim of Republican disinformation?

cc

August 19th, 2012
9:15 am

An annoying pimple appeared on my posterior this morning.

I have named it “Bernie”.

cc

August 19th, 2012
10:13 am

Buckhead Boy:

“Frankly, the only recent conviction for voter fraud of which I am aware involves the Republican Secretary of State of Indiana”

Are you asking us to believe that you know nothing of the voter fraud uncovered in the 2008 Presidential election perpetrated by ACORN?

Are you really that woefully ignorant?

Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis

August 19th, 2012
10:23 am

Black and White Atlantans, true and righteous Americans, may need to start sourcing supplies of tar and feathers, and rails for transport out of town of the zombie fascist closet-queens yet pretending to be one of the People yet actually being elements of an America-killing pathogen: the Fifth Column of the Roman Anti-Christ which believes it “owns” us all, and has put its psychopathy in “papal bulls” multiple times.

SheeshLousie

August 19th, 2012
10:26 am

Don’t bother wasting time with @td Bernie. He (or she) is a totally lost cause. History, logic, and research means absolutely nothing to people like td.

“Community Organizer” is a great dog whistle for the hateful, because it immediately conjures up the necessary imagery (as they behold) of the shifless “minority” community”, because it has become an acceptable equation. td will fail to mention MULTIPLE TERM STATE SENATOR, U.S. SENATOR. Forget those things, though. Oh yeah, he would then try to undermine THOSE accomplishments by saying something like “…who voted ‘present’ (umpteen) times, or “served 2 years before running for President”, not that there has been any constitutional requirements beyond the basic two of age and citizenship anyway. Yet he would forget that he was as giddy as ever over the “naughty librarian” Sarah Palin, who QUIT the governorship of her state after (2 years??) though she jumped on the GOP ticket and they were none too happy to put the bimbo a heartbeat away from the Presidency. Laughable, and so so predictable.

SheeshLousie

August 19th, 2012
10:33 am

Uh @cc you might want to reconsider your false accusation of “voter fraud” on behalf of ACORN. Start with looking up the definition of voter fraud, in other words….people showing up at the polls and casting a vote on behalf of someone else, or voting multiple times, etc. How about this @cc. How about going ahead and provide us a link to a legitimate state or national website that tracks voting figures and showing us the hard numbers captured for voting fraud in the 2008 (or previous elections either)?

SheeshLousie

August 19th, 2012
10:49 am

One final question. Why is that throughout the ENTIRE history of the U.S. there has never been a push to put specific legislation in place to provide all these multiple forms of ID requiring not a single mis-spell, address change,etc? 43 presidents. All of a sudden, we have this legislation in all these “red” states. Anyone care to answer, honestly?

cc

August 19th, 2012
11:15 am

SheeshLouise:

I tried three times to post the links but AJC doesn’t accept my message.

Google will give you all you need . . .

td

August 19th, 2012
11:40 am

SheeshLousie

August 19th, 2012
10:26 am

Since I have not seen you on these boards in the past who were you before you changed your screen name?

Why do you have to change your screen name? Are you afraid to defend your previous declarations?

cc

August 19th, 2012
11:52 am

SheeshLouise:

“Why is that throughout the ENTIRE history of the U.S. there has never been a push to put specific legislation in place to provide all these multiple forms of ID requiring not a single mis-spell, address change,etc? 43 presidents. All of a sudden, we have this legislation in all these “red” states. Anyone care to answer, honestly?”

We are now a nation plagued with illegal immigrants and a political party devoid of ethics (meaning the DIMocrat Party). The acquisition and holding of power is of paramount importance to them, morality and ethics be damned.

If I had the authority to do so, only those citizens who paid taxes or were not recipients of welfare would be allowed to vote. People who derive their living from taking what others have earned should not be allowed to determine the future of this country.

Yudont Nomey

August 19th, 2012
12:04 pm

Lest said, soonest mended.

cc

August 19th, 2012
12:11 pm

Yudont Nomey:

You’re right. I don’t know you.

“Lest said, soonest mended.”

That is strange. I’ve always heard, “Least said, soonest mended.”

SheeshLouise

August 19th, 2012
12:18 pm

You know @cc based on your last statement, it’s a good thing you had no hand in the constitution of this country. You could not have made it more clear that you hold a Fascist mindset and one who does not believe in equality for a nation’s citizens. Newsflash, anyone who purchases a CANDY BAR pays taxes. Also, we have this huge divide between ethnic groups in many ways, much of it rooted in lack of education and misinformation. This is why I personally laugh when I see Whites who are middle and lower economic “class” rail against other ethnic groups whom which they share the same economic interests. Why do I say that? Look at your last thought! DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE WHITE POPULATION YOU STRIP VOTING RIGHTS FROM WHEN YOU EXCLUDE “WELFARE RECIPIENTS”? I am willing to bet though you don’t consider that because you likely hold the image of a brown face when you think welfare. With that, poor and middle class Whites should understand that people like you don’t give a squat about them any more than you care about their “brown” counterparts! Now… as for my screen name. I fear no one! My screen name for blogging depends on which of my computers or mobile devices I use when posting, or which AJC blogger I post to. Those screen names are stored in the device’s cache. You will never see me post to the same blog topc as two different people. That is for silly people. Now if you would like to know my screen names just ask. I would be more than happy to provide them to you. Not that it should even matter. Learn how to deal with my arguments, and not get caught up in a stupid blog handle.

@td yeah right. People post links ALL the time. I know google. I know how to use google quite well. Those hard numbers DON’T EXIST, because it has not been an issue. And you know what I mean by that – extremeley, extremely, extremely, extreeeeeeeemely low! You are FOS.

SheeshLouise

August 19th, 2012
12:24 pm

Also @cc We have been “a nation plagued by illegal immigrants” for generations now. Ask Ronald Reagan! I would ask when you were elected head of the Political Party Ethics Commission and when the official declaration was made throughout the land that the Democratic Party was “devoid of ethics”? I also wanted to know when you were going to revoke their charter? Can you even see straight?

cc

August 19th, 2012
12:55 pm

SheeshLouise:

It would be beneficial to you to study voting requirements in the early U.S. Your comments might then give the impression of an educated, intelligent mind.

Additionally, read of the discussions among the Founding Fathers during the Constitutional Convention regarding voter eligibility.

I believe that your last post to me included statements meant for someone else.

It is sometimes hard for you to separate statements from different individuals.

cc

August 19th, 2012
1:02 pm

td:

There is no use in posting further to SheeshLouise; his mind has abandoned him. He credits your statements to me and mine to you.

I guess it is tough when SheeshLouise is limited to a VW bug engine and attempting to compete on a Grand Prix road course . . .

SheeshLouise

August 19th, 2012
1:10 pm

@cc I simply got the two sections criss-crosed. Where I put @td should have applied to @cc, and vice versa. It really isn’t that big of a deal. It’s not hard to figure out when you read the post. The point still stands; you take td’s, td takes yours. As for studying voting requirements in tne early U.S.,, You mean the ones that had POLL TAXES, LITERACY TESTS, PROPERTY OWNERSHIP STIPULATIONS, etc. Specifically put in place to discriminate against Blacks post-reconstruction?? That had nothing to do with voter fraud and everything to do with racial discrimination, and my how history repeats itself. Don’t waste my time man. You’d like nothing more though. You support that? No wait, don’t answer. Of course you do.

SheeshLouise

August 19th, 2012
1:13 pm

yeah @cc,much easier to take something silly and TRY to use it to undermine someone rather than try to counter with substance. You are much better off that way. I guess that’s what I get for blogging on a TABLET and getting handles crossed due to SCROLLING. Not even worth any more of my time.

See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil

August 19th, 2012
1:29 pm

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people.

Martin Luther King, Jr.

See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil

August 19th, 2012
1:34 pm

A politician’s goal is always to manipulate public debate. I think there are some politicians with higher goals. But some of them get corrupted by power.

Ol' Timer

August 19th, 2012
1:50 pm

The empty podium made more sense than Paul Broun would had he been there.

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Alan

August 19th, 2012
2:29 pm

You could try the Minnesota election for senate in which 1800 convicted felons illegally voted and Franken was elected by about 300 votes. That’s a good example of voter fraud. I think there are a lot of people who may be registered to vote but are not citizens. Do you think every mail in registration form gets the full scrutiny it deserves. I also recall a report in the last election where there was a precinct that had more registered voters than residents.

One of the reasons there aren’t more examples is that it is so rarely investigated. Unless the vote is insanely close — Coleman v Franken — once the election is over the authorities don’t care and private citizens don’t have the resources.

If you really think voter fraud isn’t a problem, I’ve got a bridge to sell you, bring cash, and I don’t require any form of ID.

cc

August 19th, 2012
2:41 pm

Alan:

It is never voter fraud when a liberal wins. It is voter suppression when attempts are made to insure against voter fraud.

Buckhead Boy

August 19th, 2012
2:46 pm

cc, I am certainly aware of the conviction of ACORN contact workers for submitting fraudulent voter registration petitions, but I am not aware of a conviction involving Acorn for faudulently casting a ballot, which would constitute “voter fraud”. Possibly, you can enlighten me? But, since ACORN ceased operation in the spring of 2010, whatever it may have done could hardly be termed “recent”; and such is not germane to the charge of GT Grad leveled in the present tense to which I was responding.

cc

August 19th, 2012
2:46 pm

SheeshLouise:

“You mean the ones that had POLL TAXES, LITERACY TESTS, PROPERTY OWNERSHIP STIPULATIONS, etc. Specifically put in place to discriminate against Blacks post-reconstruction??”

I have tried to direct your attention to the Founding Fathers and the Constitutional Convention and you respond with this?

It is impossible to communicate with you.

Have a nice little life . . .