Putting the focus on cuts to Georgia’s military bases

We started the day with an item about U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss calling for one of three presidential debates between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney to focus on a solution to the $16 trillion federal deficit – and recommendations by the Simpson-Bowles Commission to address it.

Chambliss will have to walk a fine line in the next few days, however. My AJC colleague Daniel Malloy says the senator is about to embark on a campaign to shield Georgia from some serious mandatory defense cuts, with an eight-stop tour of military bases:

And lest anyone accuse the Republican Chambliss of politicking – he’s even inviting Democrats.

Albany Democratic Rep. Sanford Bishop will join Chambliss at the Marine Corps Logistics Base Albany and at Fort Benning in Columbus on Monday. Later in the month, Augusta Democratic Rep. John Barrow will snag some bipartisan cred in the midst of a tough election year by joining Chambliss at Fort Gordon.

The other stops will be Marietta, Warner Robins, Savannah, King’s Bay and Valdosta. Republican Sen. Johnny Isakson will be along for a few, and some other U.S. House members will join in their districts.

Because of the Budget Control Act – a.k.a the deal last year made to hike the debt ceiling, about $1 trillion in cuts over 10 years begin on Jan. 1, split between military spending and domestic agencies. Republicans and many Democrats are frantically trying to find ways to avoid the defense cuts, which Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta has warned will severely damage military readiness.

It also will shed jobs in Georgia, one of the most military-heavy states in the country.

In the presidential campaign, Republicans are trying to pin the cuts on President Barack Obama, which is difficult considering the reductions are going into effect because the congressional “supercommittee” couldn’t agree on a consensus plan last year. But Obama is not helping matters by declining, so far, to offer details of what exactly would be cut next year if nothing is done. This week the administration promised to exempt military pay and benefits from the cuts, but has offered no further guidance.

For those keeping score at home (and watching for blame-shifting) here are the Georgia members on the hook as voting for the sugar-coated Satan sandwich that led to the current panic: Isakson, Barrow, Bishop, Rep. Tom Price, R-Roswell; Rep. Hank Johnson, D-DeKalb; Rep. David Scott, D-Atlanta; and Rep. Rob Woodall, R-Lawrenceville.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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Madge From Accounting

August 2nd, 2012
5:04 pm

You can’t have it both ways. You want the deficit brought down and you want cuts made, well when you cut something it bleeds.

The Military Complex Inc. is gonna have to loose some blood just like social security and medicare. sorry. (sad)

TrishaDishaWarEagle

August 2nd, 2012
5:31 pm

86 pounds of heroin busted in Gwinnett..thats like the french connection bust…High 8 figures, cut and distributed…

Whole villages in Mexico are gonna get wacked out over this one..

Road Scholar

August 2nd, 2012
5:39 pm

Go right to mediation with the Senate and House and work out a budget. It’s the House responsibility to prepare a budget; let the Senate have input to cut time off the cycle of the House doing one thing and the Senate another. Get on with it!

Both Gwinnett and Forsyth have had drug busts for Heroin and meth. Both have arrested citizens for having bombs in their possession. Both counties are heavily Republican….a trend?

Maybe we should stop offshoring military bases

August 2nd, 2012
5:46 pm

You can’t be a military hawk and a fiscal conservative at the same time.

The Republican Party is going to have to answer this question: is the United States a republic, or an empire?

For one thing, some of the 735 overseas military bases could be cut before we take the hatchet to Georgia’s bases…..

Attack Dog

August 2nd, 2012
5:53 pm

1. One day Dixiecrats are going to figure out that in order to reduce the deficit, we must have a budget surplus. For that to happen, we must cut all domestic spending and 70% of all defense allocations. 2. Is this the same Clarence Chambliss that wanted to keep funding an obsolete fighter jet, and who refused to man up to McConnell, Ryan and Boehner and help Obama move on Simpson-Bowles?

Attack Dog

August 2nd, 2012
5:58 pm

Has anyone noticed that the GOP hasn’t allowed a budget to pass in five years, and then claim that Obama hasn’t presented one even though he is required to do so by law? Does anyone remember the Paul Ryan budget with no numbers? Has Rumfeld found the WMD yet?

RetiredSoldier

August 2nd, 2012
6:02 pm

Attack Dog-

I am not a fan of Chambliss, but it was Obama that ran as fast as he could from Simpson-Bowles. Obama didn’t spend one penny of political capital to defend that proposal.

Mr. Fiscal

August 2nd, 2012
6:04 pm

Kudos to Saxby for standing up when others (of both parties) are unwilling to put together a long term plan for the country. What he is doing is imperfect but far better than the other irresponsible “do nothing” crowd in Congress and the White House.

duke

August 2nd, 2012
6:07 pm

The problem is that Republicans like Chambliss and McCain refuse to study the ideology. This deal was insane. The hard left WANTS to bankrupt the nation. That is part of their plan. We are seeing it play out in Europe today, just like it has done in communist countries for the last 100 years. In Marxist theory, socialism is a transition to communism. Communists know socialism bankrupts a country. When benefits are drastically reduced, the people revolt. Then the army establishes dictatorial rule. Communist call that “the dictatorship of the proletariat”, a necessary stage towards ideal communism. Of course, dictatorship is dictatorship, period; and it never gets to the next stage.

The communists start by insisting upon a coalition government, but coalition is impossible with an enemy dedicated to the destruction of the nation. It is insane to lump vital services connected with national survival, under an equal priority with things like free sex change surgery; but that is what this deal did. Georgia voters should not take Chambliss seriously as a leader.

McCain made the same mistake when he defended Hillary Clinton’s aide Huma Abedin, who has deep and long-standing connections with the Muslim Brotherhood. Many decades of relentless propaganda in the leftist news media have rendered us and our leaders incapable of understanding an ideological threat. Both Islam and communism are ideological enemies of the US.

hiram

August 2nd, 2012
6:11 pm

The patients have taken over the Asylum.

Mr_B

August 2nd, 2012
6:12 pm

“For one thing, some of the 735 overseas military bases could be cut before we take the hatchet to Georgia’s bases…..”

Unfortunately, many of the functions of GA bases involve supporting those same overseas operations.

Mr_B

August 2nd, 2012
6:15 pm

The communists start by insisting upon a coalition government, but coalition is impossible with an enemy dedicated to the destruction of the nation.

Substitute “Republican Congress” for “communist” and Duke’s got this about right.

hiram

August 2nd, 2012
6:25 pm

@mr_b

Rush Limbaugh and Ruppert Murdoch are far bigger threats than Huma Abedin. They have worked the crazies into a frenzy – they’re convinced that there’s a boogie man behind every tree.

hiram

August 2nd, 2012
6:52 pm

Once our military institutes a policy, the spineless politicians aren’t capable of dismantling it, no matter how unnecessary it becomes. For example in 2007, congress established a policy of adding a new nuclear aircraft carrier at a cost of $25 billion for the last one, every 4 years and simultaneously dismantling an old one at a cost of $2 billion. Of the 9 countries on the planet that have aircraft carriers, 6 have one, Italy and Spain have 2 – we have 20.

Metro Mensa Man

August 2nd, 2012
7:05 pm

Maybe we…

“For one thing, some of the 735 overseas military bases could be cut before we take the hatchet to Georgia’s bases…..”
My sentiments exactly; not “Yes” but “HELL YES.” This pure waste of money for bases and almost 150k personnel to save the planet is asinine spelled with a capital “S.”

Mr_B

August 2nd, 2012
7:06 pm

One of the principal failing of the congresscritters of either the ornager or mastodon variety is the inability to see DOD redundancy or waste as long as it is their particular state/district. No appropriation or DOD expenditure is idiotic as long as my constituents benefit.

TrishaDishaWarEagle

August 2nd, 2012
7:06 pm

People who think we are the same as pissant also=rans like spain and Italy are part of the problem…

Mr_B

August 2nd, 2012
7:11 pm

BWT: I think a Congressional investigation is called for concerning the shameful degradation of our US mounted capabilities. It is conceivable the the American Horse Cavalry could not withstand a sustained engagement with the Azerbaijanis.

The wheel turns ...

August 2nd, 2012
7:13 pm

Had to share this homemade YouTube video and its natural aftermath. Too funny. What an idiot!

ref: http://www.businessinsider.com/vante-cfo-bullies-chick-fil-a-worker-then-promptly-gets-fired-for-it-2012-8

Mr_B

August 2nd, 2012
7:16 pm

“People who think we are the same as pissant also=rans like spain and Italy are part of the problem…”

American exceptionalism at its finest. We danm sure deserve the right to spend our American tax dollars on the biggest, baddest, military toys,’cause we’re “mericans, donchaknow.

Of course we can’t be frittering away those dollars on frivolities like universal health care.

findog

August 2nd, 2012
7:21 pm

NYMBYism,
A Georgia tradition
Fix transportation, but not the Northern Arc through Sugar Hill
Fix agricultural welfare, but not peanuts
Fix corporate welfare, but not Delta’s fuel tax exemption
Balance the budget but, don’t touch planes we will never use or “our” military bases

Skip

August 2nd, 2012
7:36 pm

Has the Dish been banned from everywhere but here?

catlady

August 2nd, 2012
7:41 pm

We’ve got to cut the deficit, but not HERE, you morons!

Is this the same Saxby Chambiss who, because of his zeal for the US military, and his country, tried repeatedly to be chosen to serve (NOT)!

Ow, my knee!

Last Man Standing

August 2nd, 2012
7:42 pm

There will always be one superior military force in the world. Since that is the case, I much prefer that it be the United States. Dealing or negotiating from a position of strength is always a very good thing.

It’s too bad that the current occupant at 1600 Pa. Ave. doesn’t share this view. I guess when you really hate America, it is difficult to hold the view I support.

Last Man Standing

August 2nd, 2012
7:46 pm

TrishaDishaWarEagle:

“People who think we are the same as pissant also=rans like spain and Italy are part of the problem…”

How right you are!

Mr_B

August 2nd, 2012
7:53 pm

“There will always be one superior military force in the world.”

Granted. But wouldn’t it make more sense to have, say, twice the capability of number 2, rather than 20 times the capability?

Attack Dog

August 2nd, 2012
8:13 pm

Teachable Moment: Obama spent political capital when he went against the GOP and the Dem’s wishes to establish the Simpson-Bowles in the first place. He spent more capital when he asked critics of the proposal from either side of the political spectrum to exercise caution, saying “[b]efore anybody starts shooting down proposals, I think we need to listen, we need to gather up all the facts. Everybody with eyes, including Obama, saw that there were five conservatives on the commission that had no intention of letting the proposal pass, including Paul Ryan. Could Obama have done more? Maybe, but look what he is working with in the likes of Norquist led-by-the nose Dixiecrats. Besides, how much political capital has McConnell, Ryan, Boehner or Clarence Chambliss spent to introduce a bill? Crickets chirpping…

Attack Dog

August 2nd, 2012
8:25 pm

Fighting to keep the military industrial complex in easy money is not a does not nor will not keep America safe. Ask our 21st century warriors, who has been more effective and efficient in using our military, Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld or Obama. Have you noticed that Dixiecrats never had a problem sending our troops to fight and pay them minimum wage, but love to give billion dollar contracts to like of Halliburton, with no means to pay or oversight?

jd

August 2nd, 2012
8:28 pm

Attack Dog — a budget deficit is not the same as debt — to reduce the deficit, you need to reduce the difference between revenues and expenditures … period.

To reduce the debt — your approach is one way of doing so.

Attack Dog

August 2nd, 2012
8:31 pm

BTW…I would rather have a thug President who may “appease” but takes care of serious business, than another frat-boy bully who will claim victory when he hasn’t done anything, any day of the week.

Kris

August 2nd, 2012
8:41 pm

Mayor reed needs to make sure all the leaking sewers have the man/woman covers put back on tightly…Darn look what crawled out Suxby Chambliss.

What a recall Vote on these GOP idiots?

Save our military bases.

Tedd

August 2nd, 2012
8:43 pm

There wasn’t a tinkers damn wrong with Ft McPherson and it costs us more than we saved having to fly troops back to Atlanta instead of having access to no direct flight. I want to buy Quarters 10

Tedd

August 2nd, 2012
8:47 pm

By the way the Delta compound and the new seal compound are awesome. The SEALS brag about their mobile tip of the spear grill. Run Cairo, run

Attack Dog

August 2nd, 2012
8:48 pm

On Clarence, don’t you know that he and Johnny have done something no other Georgia Senator has ever-ever-ever done? They have already lost two military bases, McPherson and Gillem. Do I see a conspiracy in that the bases were in Fulton and Clayton counties?

hiram

August 2nd, 2012
8:49 pm

Karl Rove was the catalyst for this entire fiasco. In order to win for W, he introduced politics to the underperformers, the D students, the high school drop outs – wrasl’n fans – easily brainwashed people, to whom the entire world is abstract. The anti-science, anti-academic, anti-tax, anti-government crowd. Emotional reactionaries, who are lazy intellects, not interested in, or capable of an original thought, who can only regurgitate the lies they are spoon fed by the most radical faction of society.

Wilbur

August 2nd, 2012
8:50 pm

If Obama had not tossed away trillions on a failed Stimulus plan and his domestic “investments” we would not be in this pickle. It’s Obama’s endless deficits that are driving the need for draconian cuts.

Oldman45

August 2nd, 2012
8:53 pm

You said it well enough in the first few words of the article…Saxby and Sanford…two peas in a pod…total politicians that are only interested in doing what they have to do to look good and get reelected. Two great examples of all that is wrong in Washington!

Mr_B

August 2nd, 2012
9:12 pm

“If Obama had not tossed away trillions on a failed Stimulus plan and his domestic “investments” we would not be in this pickle”

No, it would have been a damnsight worse.

td

August 2nd, 2012
9:19 pm

Mr_B

August 2nd, 2012
7:53 pm

“There will always be one superior military force in the world.”

Granted. But wouldn’t it make more sense to have, say, twice the capability of number 2, rather than 20 times the capability?

If you are 2x capable the number two may think they have a chance with a first quick strike. If you are 20x’s capable then they know better.

Look before I leap...

August 2nd, 2012
9:23 pm

Eisenhower spoke of the need for US sustained military readiness even in times of peace and he preached that the nascent military-industrial complex would permeate every corner of the US. But he also warned that diligent citizen oversight and caution were necessary to ensure that security AND liberty in the country would prosper.

Seems like we have taken the sermon to heart but have ignored the warning.

Look before I leap...

August 2nd, 2012
9:27 pm

“number two may think they have a chance with a first quick strike”

First strike from whom and with what?

hiram

August 2nd, 2012
9:30 pm

td,
Brilliant reasoning. I guess we can add military stategist to your infinite list of expetise.

hiram

August 2nd, 2012
9:40 pm

@ look
“First strike from whom and with what?

Haven’t you heard? The Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the State Department. We need to ready our fleet for all out war.

td

August 2nd, 2012
9:45 pm

Look before I leap…

August 2nd, 2012
9:27 pm

Well lets see; China and Russia are not exactly trying to play nice right now. Let us not forget about all our Islamic terrorist. I know the Islamist do not have the capability of a first strike on us in this country with a military force but you are folling yourself if you do not think we will come to Israel’s aid if they strike at them.

Look before I leap...

August 2nd, 2012
10:00 pm

@td

You didn’t feel the least bit silly typing that bit about China and Russia?
Nonetheless, since both China and Russia have strategic nuclear capabilities, neither the bases here in Georgia or the 20 aircraft carriers deployed around the world are going to do much to deter a first strike from either of those countries.

And if Israel wants us to serve as a body guard against the bullies in the Middle East, they can kick in a few buck to help offset the cost. Israel is quite capable of defending itself.

td

August 2nd, 2012
10:32 pm

Look before I leap…

August 2nd, 2012
10:00 pm

I disagree with you on a great deal of issues but I have never questioned your intelligence but you coming out a basically stating that the US does not have to worry about a real threat from China and Russia is not being very intelligent.

hiram

August 2nd, 2012
10:37 pm

@look
“…neither the bases here in Georgia or the 20 aircraft carriers deployed around the world are going to do much to deter a first strike from either of those countries.”

Why would China need an aircraft carrier to attack us when they ship 10s of thousands of Trojan horses(shipping containers) all over the U.S. every day. And, why would they want to destroy the largest importer of their products, and their investment bank? That is insane. It’s all insane.

hiram

August 2nd, 2012
10:48 pm

In 2012, 90 percent of our military investment is completely worthless, when we have thousands of miles of unguarded coastline and wide open borders, and thousands of uninspected shipping containers entering our country every day. It’s all pork, and nothing else.

Look before I leap...

August 2nd, 2012
10:53 pm

@hiram

I was not indicating that China would attack. I was indicating the exact opposite.

Look before I leap...

August 2nd, 2012
11:16 pm

@td

You are confusing capability with an actual threat posture.
The possibility that either Russia or China will strike first with conventional forces is miniscule.
An due to Mutually Assured Destruction, the chances of a first strike using nuclear weapons is even less.

If China wants to get pissy with the US, all they have to due is just hint that will not choose to roll-over the $1.2 trillion they own in US government backed securities. And no number of aircraft carriers, troops or bullets can change that.