Your morning jolt: ‘Extreme liberal groups want you to vote no’ on TSPLOST

At least in targeted Republican areas, the Untie Atlanta campaign will rely on the late President Ronald Reagan to do its campaigning through Monday, with this TV ad:

Robocalls and mailers bearing Reagan’s name are arriving at Republican households as well. But the most interesting message that supporters of the transportation sales tax are now pushing toward GOP voters is one that makes hay of the Sierra Club’s opposition. Never mind that tea party thing.

Here’s the robocall that was placed on the Insider family’s voicemail by Citizens for Transportation Mobility:

”On July 31, you have a chance to vote yes on the transportation referendum. Extreme liberal groups want you to vote no. Their plan is to stop people from driving cars by raising gas taxes and putting tolls on our roads. Please vote yes for our fair transportation tax, and to stop more toll roads and higher gas taxes. Vote yes for TSPLOST, the citizens’ transportation plan.”

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Anti-tax forces don’t have much cash, but we understand they’ve scraped enough pennies together to air a version of this video clip on WGST radio. (No embed code is available, apparently. If you have one, we’ll be happy to swap it out.

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Atlanta Tea Party Patriots will host a TSPLOST debate at 6:30 p.m. Thursday at the Gwinnett Justice and Administration Center. PeachPundit’s Charlie Harper will be in charge of reining in the hostilities.

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If you weren’t able to tune into that unexpected TSPLOST argument between Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed and DeKalb County NAACP President John Evans on V-103 that erupted Wednesday morning, the two men reprised their confrontation on 11Alive last night:

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My AJC colleague Jeremiah McWilliams reports that Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed and Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal will hold a joint press conference at the state Capitol at 10:30 a.m. Monday to make closing arguments in favor of a 1 percent sales tax to fund transportation projects.

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In the current issue of Atlanta magazine, Doug Monroe has a great, 50-year history of transportation in the metro area that begins thusly:

At the heart of the rot eating at metro Atlanta is the Mother of All Mistakes: the failure to extend MARTA into the suburbs. It wasn’t just a one-time blunder—it was the single worst mistake in a whole cluster bomb of missteps, errors, power plays, and just plain meanness that created the region’s transportation infrastructure.

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Channel 2 Action News has this report on sign-stealing in the Republican race for Forsyth County sheriff. We’re also told that the following has implications for the GOP contest between state Sen. Jack Murphy of Cumming and challenger Steve Voshall:

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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102 comments Add your comment

Clyde

July 26th, 2012
10:14 am

John Evans is a well known crook. I hate the fact that he’s representing such a important organization.

Clyde

July 26th, 2012
10:16 am

The Snark

July 26th, 2012
10:23 am

Is there anyone involved in government issues, anyone at all, who can advance a public policy argument that does not consist of namecalling and fearmongering?

Not Blind

July 26th, 2012
10:25 am

There’s enough pork in the state budget to pave the whole d$%$ state. The whole 400 toll issue is still smelling to a lot of voters. Ditto on the “Lexus lanes”. I think the goobermint flacks may be surprised at the outcome of this vote.

The single biggest failure of the DOT and goobermint was not ramming through the outer perimeter. A significant percentage of the traffic on our highways is going somewhere other than metro Atlanta but they are forced to go right through Atlanta because of no outer perimeter.

SAWB3

July 26th, 2012
10:26 am

I liked getting the Reagan mailer and then the Kasim Reed robocall. SOmebody needs to learn to target better…

sdc

July 26th, 2012
10:26 am

Just VOTE NO! Could I be any more succinct?

Old Farmer

July 26th, 2012
10:27 am

The T-SLOST supporters are really getting desperate.

Marlboro Man

July 26th, 2012
10:31 am

Tolls, $2/$3 what’s next ? Higher gas prices !!! Traffic is killing jobs.

Ga Values VOTE NO FOR WASTE, GRAFT & CORRUPTION

July 26th, 2012
10:34 am

The first step to get a plan “B” that will actually address congestion problem is a NO vote nextTuesday.

Ga Values VOTE NO FOR WASTE, GRAFT & CORRUPTION

July 26th, 2012
10:35 am

The first step to get a plan “B” that will actually address congestion problem is a NO vote next Tuesday.

Ga Values VOTE NO FOR WASTE, GRAFT & CORRUPTION

July 26th, 2012
10:39 am

Marlboro Man

July 26th, 2012
10:31 am

What’s killing jobs is corruption in the state and Atlanta. By the way Reed’s support of that crook Hall & the Atlanta cheating scandal isn’t helping.

Gordon

July 26th, 2012
10:42 am

People who think there is a Plan B are fooling themselves. Gas taxes can not be raised in GA, and would not generate enough money if they could. All transit is not the option.

There is no Plan B. This is it – we need this to get done.

This plan will create about 200,000 jobs in Metro Atlanta. There is no other option to turn this economy around like this one.

Vote YES, or live with the same stagant economy and traffic congestion tht we’ve had for years.

The project list is not perfect, but neither will it ever be.

This is it folks, and it’s all or nothing.

Yurtle_the_Turtle

July 26th, 2012
10:43 am

I’m voting NO. As stated here alreday, the reasons that I’m voting no is the stupid GA 400 tolls, which (when started) was promised to end right after the road was built. Years later, the GA 400 toll was still there, making liars out of all the politicians who promised a deadline to us. Secondly, the government still is making folks pay for use of lanes. First there was a designated lane for multiple riders in an automobile. They took that away from us and is now charging for the use of that lane on I-85. My taxes went to build the entire I-85 system, so the fact that I can’t use one lane now is absurd. Now they want me to fund another list of projects. I will not until they start giving me something in return, like my I-85 “Lexus Lane” back to me.

Old Farmer

July 26th, 2012
10:45 am

Sorry Gordon, but I won’t fall for strong arm tactics. “This is it” . Take it or leave it. BULL.

DannyX

July 26th, 2012
10:49 am

Reagan campaigning for TSPLOST is very strange. First, of all he is dead. Second, his fake image as an anti-tax Republican is crushed. Third, Reagan said “Tear down that wall,” while suburban Republicans scream “Build up that wall,” to keep the suburbs “safe” from Atlanta.

Marlboro Man

July 26th, 2012
10:52 am

Tied up in traffic again ? Untie the knot.

Old Farmer

July 26th, 2012
10:53 am

They are trying to start an argument between conservatives and liberals. It’s a classic technique.

However, on this issue many liberals and conservatives agree. T-SPLOST is a bad idea.

I can’t help it if the road contractors are desperate for money, they should not be able to tax my food and medicine just because they are desperate.

Shar

July 26th, 2012
11:00 am

Yes, traffic is strangling us. However, this plan solves absolutely nothing, is planned for at least a 30 year period as witnessed by the AJC’s own story of the planned traffic improvements over that time period since it will do precisely nothing over ten years, and is being desperately pushed by the same people who have already sold out the tax proceeds to their contributors and who have utterly failed to effectively plan, thus creating the mess we’re in.

This plan will make City of Atlanta sales taxes 9 1/2 %, and is being supported by the very people who moan that every tax increase is a “job killer.” Sales taxes are the most regressive taxes there are, and will fall most heavily on the inner city poor who are receiving the least benefit.

Our legislators have sold the suburbs to the highest-contributing developers and failed to require them to provide the infrastructure to support their developments. The developers take their profits and run, leaving buyers to struggle with overburdened roads and taxpayers to pay to fix what the developers have left behind.

This plan does not fix the traffic problems. It creates multi-million dollar “studies” by tied-in consultants billing hundreds of dollars per hour to come up with plans that have no funding – until the second ten year tax is implemented. There are no construction plans scheduled until 2014 – so much for “jobs” – and the projects on the approved list will have minimal impact for a few commuters and nothing at all for most of us. The Beltline is a political payoff to Reed’s contributors and will not take so much as a single car off the road. The local authorities will get 15% of the tax receipts and have not told taxpayers what those millions and millions will be spent on, leaving them prone to cronyism and corruption.

Even the pro-tax people are not making claims as to the effectiveness of the project list because they can’t. It is utterly ineffective but irresistible for those doling out the proceeds to the favored few.

Vote no, and force a re-evaluation of the process in which value is delivered to the taxpayers instead of the politicians and their contributors.

PMC

July 26th, 2012
11:02 am

Vote no and drag the stupid argument out another 30 years until Atlanta is Cleveland….. by all means.

PMC

July 26th, 2012
11:03 am

If there is ANYTHING the government should be spending money on it’s infrastructure.

dd

July 26th, 2012
11:03 am

ahh, the magic tsplost wand that will…if passed…magically part the traffic of atlanta. reminds me of the prediction that electing our current president would bring “the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”…..hows that working out for us? not so well.

if the claims seem to good to be true, then they usually (always?) are.

George P. Burdell

July 26th, 2012
11:03 am

Look at how they lie and deceive. Look at the name of their organization – “Citizens for Transportation Mobility.” The correct name would be “Well-Connected Big Businesses for Transportation Mobility.” The average citizen will see minimal benefits and loads of graft if this bill passes.

Look at how Gov-ner “Let’s Make a Deal” wouldn’t end the GA400 toll to reduce the burden on average citizens, but now is willing to give up the toll in hopes of getting Billions of $$$ of our money to play ‘Graft and Corruption” with.

Old Farmer

July 26th, 2012
11:05 am

Excellent post Shar.

Old Farmer

July 26th, 2012
11:06 am

By the way, I voted early and I voted no. I encourage people to vote early.

the cat

July 26th, 2012
11:09 am

Still voting no. Reagan still dead.

Rafe Hollister

July 26th, 2012
11:14 am

CW Matthews and company need your votes! The elite have shown that if money can buy approval for this boondoggle, there is no amount they will not spend. This is Obama like, in their attempt to govern against the will of the people. Polls have shown the people are opposed to this fiasco, but the elite think they can trick, bribe, intimidate, confuse, deceive, and manipulate enough votes to pass this politically inspired fleecing of the public. Vote No!

Scott Fresno

July 26th, 2012
11:17 am

Plan B will be more tolls. So, if you are unhappy now about 400 now, just wait.

mark

July 26th, 2012
11:17 am

I keep flip flopping on this. I want to do what is right BUT I am like alot of people on this issue. I am very angry with “Sonny Perdue stick to the metro folks” 400 toll. Lexus lane, and a total failure of DOT to listen to the people. However, with a sales tax, everybody helps. Illegals, drug dealers and purveyors of the liquor industry. If I were to vote today, I would vote YES.

Rafe Hollister

July 26th, 2012
11:19 am

The citizens of Dekalb and Fulton are already paying 1% transportation tax. Now they will be paying 2%, while everyone else pays 1%. Is that “fair” as Obama likes to say. Fulton and Dekalb residents should lock down the “no” lever.

George P. Burdell

July 26th, 2012
11:22 am

PMC – I would agree with your second statement, but not with the corrupt government we have.

Look at this article – GEORGIA RANKS #1 IN THE NATION FOR GRAFT AND CORRUPTION (”F” in every category):

http://247wallst.com/2012/03/22/americas-most-corrupt-states/

PMC

July 26th, 2012
11:30 am

I don’t doubt it George, but then our legislators like bribes from lobbiests so much that they won’t pass an ethics bill, and many of them won’t even pay thier taxes accurately so they don’t even follow thier own laws.

Honest people, don’t generally go into public office.

Taxi Smith

July 26th, 2012
11:33 am

How many millions have we taxpayers given to the DOT for highway construction in metro Atlanta? They gave us the toll lanes on I-85; they gave us the Ga 400 intersection on 285; the former governor lied about the tolls on Ga 400. DOT has historically been awash in graft. Are you comfortable with giving them more money? Not me.

Laurie

July 26th, 2012
11:33 am

These posts crack me up, especially the ones about Reagan. It’s laughable that the pro T-SPLOST group have resorted to such absurd tactics to get people to vote yes, and it makes me happy to know that so many of us see right through the threats and deceit.

Dulceb

July 26th, 2012
11:33 am

I will vote mo on this Tuesday. This tax will allow for a few cronies to get six figure jobs, no real solutions for transportation will be resolved and we will be taxed 10 years or more. I have not seen any real solutions with the money they have been given. I have no faith in their “promises” now.
Take a cut and let the big dogs in the DOT, MARTA etc live on 40% of their pre recession income, like I am along with many fellow Georgians. Perhaps, then we can talk. For now, I vote an emphatic, “NO!”

Glenn

July 26th, 2012
11:38 am

Nice ! T-SPLOST is a lousy bill is something that conservatives & liberals can agree on . What a bloated waste of money . Just a great example of government for sale .

Old Farmer

July 26th, 2012
11:44 am

From: thecitizen.com

“AJC columnist Kyle Wingfield did an excellent job (“Taking a look at some T-SPLOST claims,” July 13, 2012) looking at the facts of T-SPLOST. Wingfield points out traffic “congestion adds relatively little to the average commute: up to 10 minutes of the hour a typical commuter spends in the car every day. Sheer distance between home and work accounts for the rest of the time.”

Wingfield concluded, “If congestion were to fall by 24 percent, then, the average commute would shrink by less than 2.5 minutes a day — only about a minute each way.”

They want to tax my food and medicine to shave 2.5 minutes off of average commute time. I live in Atlanta/Dekalb and I already pay 8% sales tax. As someone said yesterday, this is a big pot of asphalt gravy for well connected road contractors (and consultants).

findog

July 26th, 2012
11:45 am

Would any of the conservative GOP bloggers answer this:
The state GOP cannot close the 400 tolls because the last governor extended the credit card they are used to pay.
The GOP is running on immediately stopping the affordable healthcare act.
Why is it the GOP cannot be consistent with doing away with supposedly horrible government action?

vote no

July 26th, 2012
11:47 am

would rather have a toll than retail sales tax.
that way at least i only pay when i use it than pay when i go to walmart.

T-SPLAT

July 26th, 2012
11:48 am

Raise the gas tax.
- Discourage unnecessary driving with higher pump prices.
- Let the people who use the road pay for improvements.

And let Marta use their money any way they want.

vote no

July 26th, 2012
11:48 am

ATL already is in the Top 5 states for highest combined Sales Tax + Income Tax. Add SPLOST the water fiasco and Fulton/ATL property taxes and maybe we can win!

Failing to spend current revenue effectively is a shoddy reason to ask for higher revenue.

vote no

July 26th, 2012
11:52 am

Your choice is simply Vote Yes for more Tax or No for same tax.

More tax will reduce retail sales in impacted areas. One more reason to shop online or head to an outlet mall.

More taxes do not create jobs. It reallocates that 1% of all retail sales from you, to an ineffective government already swimming in high tax collections.

findog

July 26th, 2012
11:52 am

I would vote for TSPLOST if the governor or any of the backer were honest:
“We have to do it this way because Grover Norquist will not let the legislature increase taxes.”

Kris (voted NO)

July 26th, 2012
11:55 am

Head On : Apply directly at the voting Both Vote NO!
Head On: Apply directly in the voting booth vote the GOP out!
Head On: Apply directly to REED recall him!
Head On: Apply directly to governor (term used loosely) IMPEACH DEAL!
Head On : Apply directly at the voting Both Vote NO
There’s no known medical cure for ignorance.
There is a cure for greed and corruption.
Vote NO

ray

July 26th, 2012
11:57 am

well Clyde, you must really hate our governor then…….

Reta

July 26th, 2012
12:05 pm

Gordon,
To get a bite you say we have to swallow the whole pig? NO, no we don’t. If these projects are worthwhile, on their own, there is another way to fund them. There are ALWAYS other options. Try another T-SPLOST list, but this time without all that obvious pork.
You know, you can always donate your own money to the government, do your own fund raising and have it dedicated to your pet projects.

Who Cares

July 26th, 2012
12:05 pm

Let’s just wait until ALEC proposes a bill, it won’t matter if it is good or bad or all Republican govt will pass it.

Steve

July 26th, 2012
12:11 pm

Give me one good reason why the residents of Cobb county would want to give their tax money to the City of Atlanta and Kaseem Reed. Why should we be forced to bail out the failed MARTA system? Their goal is to someday link all transit under MARTA and then CONTROL it from Atlanta.
How about coming up with a plan that actually helps keep traffic moving all around Atlanta and serves those not going thru the city.

VOTE NO!!!

honested

July 26th, 2012
12:13 pm

Even though he was wrong on almost everything the wrong wing republican extremists in this State will still trot out that old fool to support whatever ‘new wrong’ policy they can invent.
Raise the gas tax (double it) to ‘encourage’ people to live closer to work, resubmit a reasonable rail transit sales tax program with a horizon long enough to complete and voila’, the problem would be solved.
Yet if the wrong wingers insist on just building more, double or triple decker roads to nowhere, then we will be discussing this issue well into the next century.

oldfart

July 26th, 2012
12:15 pm

Why don’t they bother telling you that as it now stands HOT lanes, Lexus Lanes, Express Lanes or whatever you want to label them are going to be built all over metro Atlanta even if TSPLOST passes. Vitally needed gas tax money is already being used for these lanes that could be utilized elsewhere to actually alleviate traffic snarls rather than add to them as evidenced on I-85. GDOT and Gena Evans plan to spend Billions on these lanes to criss-cross and circle metro Atlanta in the future REGARDLESS of the outcome of this vote. $300,000,000 of gas tax money was just diverted for the I-75 HOT lanes at the close of the last legislative session and that is just the seed money for a project that will end up costing 3-4 times that amount by their own reckoning.

findog

July 26th, 2012
12:18 pm

The price of gas when the current fuel tax was established 0.59/gal
The state of Georgia, pining for the good old days of Ford Administration