Trust and the transportation sales tax
If the referendum for a transportation sales tax in metro Atlanta fails this month, the cause is likely to be a lack of trust.
The most obvious trust gap is the one that separates most tea partyists from government spending. No surprise there. But the trust deficit that matters most in the July 31 vote, and the one that runs the deepest, separates white and black in metro Atlanta.
Or, if you prefer to keep things on a more civilized plane, it creates a divide between Democrats in Fulton and DeKalb counties on one hand, and Republicans in the other eight counties on the other.
All along, the strategy for passage of the transportation sales tax has been based on keeping the vote close in GOP strongholds such as Cobb and Gwinnett counties, then running up the score with strong African-American support in Atlanta and areas south of I-20.
This week, Channel 2 Action News released a poll, conducted by Rosetta Stone Communications, which showed only 38 percent of voters in the 10-county region in support of more spending to get metro Atlanta moving. In Fulton and DeKalb counties alone, support was measured at 49.6 percent – well short of what’s needed to make the formula work.
One reason for any lack of enthusiasm is the penny sales tax that Fulton and DeKalb residents already pay to fund MARTA. Passage would apply the transportation sales tax to all counties. The penny gap would remain.
But there is a larger unease growing, at least within the DeKalb and Fulton county political communities. As Republicans finally turn their heads toward the need for a regional transportation solution, some African-American lawmakers and other elected officials worry that their role in a transit system that they have managed for better than three decades is about to be lessened – or largely subverted.
As the Legislature shut down this spring, one bill lost to the clock would have transferred the power to appoint two members of the MARTA board from the Fulton County Commission to a council of six north Fulton mayors. In exchange, MARTA would have been allowed – for three years – to spend its sales tax revenue as it liked.
Longstanding state law prevents the transit system from spending more than 50 percent of sales tax revenue on operations – things such as salaries and electric bills. With sales tax revenue down because of the recession, the restriction is on hold until next year. But a financially pinched MARTA wants a extension and had reluctantly acquiesced, we’re told, to a deal brokered by House Majority Whip Edward Lindsey, R-Atlanta.
Lindsey said his bill is certain to return in January for quick passage.
Not long after the MARTA bill suffered this temporary setback, House Speaker pro tem Jan Jones, R-Milton, held a session with north Fulton constituents eager to create a new Milton County. The process would begin in January, the lawmaker told them. “My goal is to end Fulton County and bring government closer to the people,” Jones said.
Taken together, Jones’ comments and the MARTA bill sent a shiver down the spines of many black leaders in Fulton and DeKalb who are now being asked to turn out voters in July. “It’s definitely a concern,” said DeKalb County Commissioner Lee May, who opposes the referendum.
He understands the consequences. “DeKalb County residents are the type of voter that this initiative needs to win. We understand that in order to realize a benefit, you have to pay for it. Others in the region have shown a tendency to not want to pay for things,” May said.
The removal of Fulton County’s authority to appoint members of the MARTA board is only a precursor of things to come, May said. “It’s a slippery slope. You can see we’re clearly headed in the same direction as Fulton County with the cityhood movement. They’ll be coming for DeKalb soon.”
But Republicans say trust is a two-way street. Jones, the No. 2 leader in the House, doesn’t deny the remarks she made last month, but says they weren’t reported in full. “We’re looking at Fulton County as a model that is no longer relevant. It’s not that it’s good or bad. It’s just not relevant,” Jones said.
The House leader said she is willing to move slowly, and that the future of Fulton County shouldn’t become part of the transportation debate. “I’m a patient person,” she said. As for the measure to give north Fulton mayors the power to appoint members of the MARTA board, Jones said her voters need to have a more direct stake in transportation decisions.
“If they felt that they had a seat at the table, they would certainly be more likely to trust it and be interested in it,” Jones said.
Lindsey, author of the MARTA compromise, said much the same thing. “The fact of the matter is, Fulton County looks very different than what it did in the 1970s when we set up who all got to appoint whom. We now have all these cities up in north Fulton,” Lindsey said. And their residents pay a penny for MARTA, too.
Lindsey characterized the MARTA bill that will return next year as a piece of hard bargaining on both sides that would make Mick Jagger proud. “Everybody doesn’t get what they want, but they get what they need,” he said.
In exchange for increased north Fulton authority over MARTA, the transit agency gets more control over its own cash flow for three years. And that should be just enough time for state to establish a bona fide, regional transit system, Lindsey said.
Who controls it, and who pays for it, remain open questions.
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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Gail
June 30th, 2012
12:30 pm
Metro Atlanta needs a regional transportation system if it is to continue to grow and prosper. I, like several others that have commented will also be voting NO. This does nothing to address this issue. MARTA needs to be to extended to all of the Metro counties. All the counties need to participate to help ease the traffic.
Kim
June 30th, 2012
12:30 pm
One more thing…for all you new arrivals trying to turn my city into NY or Chicago…if you don’t like the way things are done in Atlanta, Delta is ready when you are and 75 goes both directions.
Sqirmin'
June 30th, 2012
12:31 pm
The problem is trust, but trust in the GA DOT. I don’t trust them. Just look at the GA400 toll lie and the HOT lane fiasco. That’s enough to tell you the DOT lies to us. They need to be disbanded and restructured before I vote to give them MORE money.
k. rasheed
June 30th, 2012
12:32 pm
Vote No to the Transportation “Tax”. If the suburbanites and their corporate employers want better transportation systems move back into the city. I do not support paying for their greed and ignorance!
Lugnut
June 30th, 2012
12:33 pm
Vote NO. Then vote out all those that put this vote up for a vote to begin with. Name names. Vote then out, starting with the Governor that forgot to tell us he was bankrupt.
Gail
June 30th, 2012
12:34 pm
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Melaine
June 30th, 2012
12:34 pm
Race? Republican? Democrat? Tea Party? It does not matter. The list was drafted by politicians and the trust factor is huge with the T-SPLOST. The list is some major projects interjected with wish lists for politician’s districts so they can crow about what they get and so many of the projects will have NO impact on commute time or gridlock. The WSJ had an article recently, that rated states on corruption and lack of transparency. Guess who had the worst grade? http://247wallst.com/2012/03/22/americas-most-corrupt-states/ The push for this tax on top of a bad economy and sales taxes already in place with the lack of trust for our government to truly spend billions wisely is too much to ask of us. This push for the T-SPLOST will be reenacted in 10 years if it does pass because this is only the first installment of a 30 year sales tax and spend program. Another concern that the politicians should have, if this does pass, how will this affect any future SPLOST referendums for local education, new jails, transportation, etc.? The threat of raising property taxes to fill the coffers for more projects will only work for so long.
PD
June 30th, 2012
12:39 pm
@hiram
The point I am making is fix the public transportation. The roads will eventually get like those cities if they do not .
Ga Values
June 30th, 2012
12:43 pm
If you think the $600,000,000.00 that Reed’s cronies will steal on the belt/wasteline will improve your commute vote for this rip off.
VOTE NO FOR WASTE, GRAFT & CORRUPTION
Auntie Christ
June 30th, 2012
12:43 pm
It appears almost every aspect of the issue has been adduced here and discussed-very intelligently too, for a change (I guess the fanatics and frothing at the mouth crowd decided to let ryan speak for them while they slept in today). N Fulton and N DeKalb residents have legitimate gripes regarding MARTA and it doesn’t have anything to do with racism, but with MARTA treating them like ugly step children. Meanwhile here in Decatur I feel I have a legitimate gripe that Cobb, Gwinnett and Clayton rejected MARTA years ago and denied us the opportunity to have a world class rapid transit system by now, and want me to help them with another 1% of my money to catch up. These are good repubs that don’t like government assistance, yet want me to subsidize their life style choices. The same goes for the developers who built offices and strip malls and were not required by the politicians to do any infrastructure improvements to accomodate the increased traffic. Am I now expected to pay for their shortsightedness?
The idea of splitting Fulton into two counties will probably fly, because the republicans would love nothing better than to see the Black democratic power structure in metro Atlanta emasculated. They get the benefit of calling it ‘politics’ instead of what it really is, race based.
So just what the state that has more counties than any other state in the nation needs, another county, to further dilute their tax base and create another political fiefdom to divide the citizenry. This thought, along with the divisiveness seen here leads me to look forward to watching the political battles that will be unfolding in the 11 other regions of T-SPLOST. It will be better than the super bowl to watch reps from the postage stamp counties down south battle it out for $$ for their cronies who are going to widen and pave roads going nowhere, that benefit no one except donors to their campaigns. Should be interesting.
Ga Values VOTE NO FOR WASTE, GRAFT & CORRUPTION
June 30th, 2012
12:44 pm
Just added to my name… the name says it all
hiram
June 30th, 2012
12:46 pm
Here’s the main reason that you are having this discussion here today – the caliber of people that you keep electing to run the state’s affairs. Sonny was just the warm up act for the “Real Deal”.
In September 2009, Gov. Sonny Perdue and two men who run the governor’s trucking company met in the Georgia Ports Authority in Savannah with a half-dozen state employees.
“Gov. Sonny Perdue’s businesses “are laying the groundwork so that when the Governor leaves office they will be in a position to start up an operation,” Chip Hawkins, the ports sales manager, wrote in an August 2010 e-mail.”
“Gov. Sonny Perdue and his business representatives have held several meetings with port officials to learn how they can grow Perdue’s grain and trucking companies.”
“The governor wanted to know if there are any particular services which we feel could help them here,” wrote Chip Hawkins, a sales manager at the ports, in an internal memo dated Sept. 21, 2009.
http://www.ajc.com/news/perdue-draws-ethics-focus-740166.html
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June 30th, 2012
12:46 pm
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#1 Foxy Lady
June 30th, 2012
12:49 pm
RAMZAD nailed you, ryan. You and your type are whiny little sheep-parrots regurgitating your AM radio 2nd-rate steer-chior conductors.
Fairness
June 30th, 2012
12:54 pm
It is my understanding that Republicans suppose to be the party of no new taxes, this is a 7 billion dollars tax increase on the citizens of the metro area that we not unlock the gridlock. The only thing that will unlock gridlock of this magnitude is mass transit that most do not want and the other arc that will keep most trucks and interstate traffic away from the metro area. This tax increase is about further enriching the friends of politicians on both sides of the isle. The latest research has shown that once the billions are spent, only about five minutes will be reduced from the average commute. Moreover, if the metro area passes a tax increase to built more roads, while our schools are suffering from the lack of revenue, then the voters of Georgia will become the laughing stock of the nation. I say, no new taxes, please join me in voting no.
Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?.....
June 30th, 2012
12:57 pm
{{”In exchange for increased north Fulton authority over MARTA, the transit agency gets more control over its own cash flow for three years. And that should be just enough time for state to establish a bona fide, regional transit system, Lindsey said….Who controls it, and who pays for it, remain open questions.”}}
Attempting to institute a one-size-fits-all regional transit solution to Metro Atlanta’s transportation challenges is the wrong approach given the polarized politics and the mistrust of government (especially the mistrust of any potential regional initiative).
Any potential solution to this region’s transportation woes should likely involve transportation corridors (I-75/I-575 Northwest, GA 400 North, I-20 West, I-85 Northeast, etc) as opposed to trying to lump everyone together in a politically and socially-awkward and incompatible one-size-fits-all regional approach as the conservative OTP suburbs and exurbs and liberal ITP urban intown neighborhoods clearly have different transportation and political needs.
OTP suburbs and exurbs need a maximum road-heavy solution, ITP needs an alternative transportation and transit-heavy solution.
The regional approach seems to substantially disregard those differing logistical and political needs.
Auntie Christ
June 30th, 2012
12:57 pm
Kim wrote, after her racist rant: “Keep calling us racists, we don’t care .”
Thamks, kim, that’s very refreshing. Most of the time when we call a racist a racist, we are accused of playing the race card.
Shar
June 30th, 2012
12:59 pm
I’m an on-the-liberal-side, Intown voter who hails from Manhattan, where the sprawl exceeds Atlanta’s and where people of all stripes have long since accepted the fact that without public transportation the whole city simply stops. In fact, the same fears of access by undesirables prompted the East Siders to voiciferously oppose a subway line on the Upper East Side, which has left that area with only busses and which is now being addressed for billions with the Second Avenue line.
I was so pleased when the TIA was first brought up, as I thought we could achieve a rational transit mix of EFFECTIVE public transportation with roads. Then the list came out. The legislators passed the buck, the counties fought for their own pet projects, the contractors have already been given their payback from the politicians and the money has been divvied up. The only people left out of the process were those of us who travel in metro Atlanta. They forgot to make this have any discernable effect on traffic or provide vision and direction for real, usable public transit.
What a disappointment. What a disgusting melee of selfishness and greed. What arrogance, to pour money into utterly transparent boondoggle payoffs like Sonny Perdue’s very own four-lane to Nowhere Except His Own Property and to break every promise and extend the toll on 400 and then turn around and tell voters to trust these same administrators with an enormous slush fund even though they are so incompetent that “there is no Plan B”.
The Metro Chamber, like their echo chamber Proud Voter on this blog, wail that this tax must be passed because “Atlanta has to do something.” Yes, but it has to be the right thing. That means creating a plan that delivers value to those who must pay it. We need to do better than have a handful of commuters see a 6% decrease in commute time – in ten years, without factoring in any increase in traffic rate – while the rest of us see nothing.
The powers that be have done everything they can to throw this vote – a lying, biased and illegal “preamble” on the ballot, strong-arming the employees of businesses who have paid to play, an election date that guarantees the lowest possible turnout – because they simply cannot justify this package of fraud. There is lots here for those with their hands out, but nothing for anyone else. It’s really rather hopeful that voters are finally seeing through Business As Usual.
Mark
June 30th, 2012
1:09 pm
RAMZAD: You haven’t been paying attention to the news. Within there past year or so an East Point bank was robbed in broad daylight. The criminals got away on MARTA, the East Point MARTA train station was right across the street.
I’ve been in Atlanta long enough to have witnessed the lie about the GA400 toll. I’m not playing along this time or any other time.
Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?.....
June 30th, 2012
1:14 pm
Gail
June 30th, 2012
12:30 pm
{{{”Metro Atlanta needs a regional transportation system if it is to continue to grow and prosper. I, like several others that have commented will also be voting NO. This does nothing to address this issue. MARTA needs to be to extended to all of the Metro counties. All the counties need to participate to help ease the traffic.”}}}
Metro Atlanta does not necessarily need a regional transportation system, it needs a competent (and responsible and trustworthy) state government to stop trying to push its responsibility off on someone else to perform, do its job and take charge of the transportation infrastructure.
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June 30th, 2012
1:16 pm
[...] "If the referendum for a transportation sales tax in metro Atlanta fails this month, the cause is likely to be a lack of trust. Or, if you prefer to keep things on a more civilized plane, it creates a divide between Democrats in Fulton and DeKalb counties on one hand, and Republicans in the other eight counties on the other…" Trust and the transportation sales tax | Political Insider [...]
hiram
June 30th, 2012
1:17 pm
Melaine
June 30th, 2012
12:34 pm
“The WSJ had an article recently, that rated states on corruption and lack of transparency. Guess who had the worst grade? ”
Melanie, You hit the nail on the head. Sonny reset the bar for graft and corruption in Georgia government. When it became clear that the state’s citizens weren’t going to hold him accountable, that was an open invitation for every local good ol’ boy con artist in the state to enter politics and hang our their for sale signs.
Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?.....
June 30th, 2012
1:20 pm
Kim
June 30th, 2012
12:30 pm
{{{”One more thing…for all you new arrivals trying to turn my city into NY or Chicago…if you don’t like the way things are done in Atlanta, Delta is ready when you are and 75 goes both directions.”}}}
I agree, but the only problem is that Atlanta is already in the leagues of a Chicago and even a New York by virtue of its regional population of 6 million people and being home to a dozen Fortune 500 companies and the busiest passenger airport on the planet.
Our transportation problems are going to be dealt with one way or another and having a less-than-helpful incompetent state legislature does not help with our building logistical challenges.
Proud Voter
June 30th, 2012
1:22 pm
Legislators have no vote on the t-splost expenditures. The local elected officials serving on the regional t-splost round table are the only ones who have a vote on how the money is spent. Get involved with your region and you’ll know this and can have a positive impact on what happens in your region. If you keep complaining from the comfort of your couch and air-conditioning, nothing is gained for your region. Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?
LMAO
June 30th, 2012
1:24 pm
What the SOBs in North Fulton don’t understand about MARTA is Unincorporated South Fulton gets less service for the same penny. I’m liberal and I’m voting NO because were not getting anything in the TSPLOST except more roads for North Metro and a damn trail in Atlanta. Neither does anything to improve my commute. Regional rail transportation is the real answer.
Proud Voter
June 30th, 2012
1:25 pm
Why would a fair tax be a bad tax? Why not be able to keep all of any fund in the region where it is collected? If your region vetoes t-splost, you’re going to become known as one more dumb Georgia county who failed to look at the bigger picture to improve itself.
T-splost is a chance to improve your region without waiting twenty years for DOT to getting around to looking at your local project. By all means, if you want to have a say-so as to how the t-splost money is to be spent in your region, then get off the couch and get involved. Whatever is good in your region right now was planned and financed many years ago so that you could benefit from others’ ambition and foresight.
Ignorant does’t know; stupid refuses to learn. Don’t be stupid.
Dj
June 30th, 2012
1:26 pm
I don’t want any new transportation taxes until the GA 400 toll is taken down as it was already supposed to be. From diverting the 400 toll to another reason to keep charging people only lets me know that there will never be an end to the new tax being charged for “transportation”.
Centrist
June 30th, 2012
1:29 pm
@ Melaine – Your link is NOT from the Wall Street Journal. The grossly biased study you reference is from the very liberal “Center for Public Integrity” largely funded by George Soros – it has no credibility.
hiram
June 30th, 2012
1:29 pm
@will the last…
Garbage in, garbage out – the first step is purging the legislature of any politician who is not willing to match the South Carolina legislature’s acceptance of zero, zilch, nada gifts from lobbyists.
Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?.....
June 30th, 2012
1:29 pm
Shar
June 30th, 2012
12:59 pm
Excellent comments and an excellent rundown of the situation.
Kris
June 30th, 2012
1:34 pm
Trust the Governor..Political LIES I tell YA… .yep I will stop the TOLL on GA 400…
Super DEAL Yep. OH I see nothing wrong with the GA 400 troll..
Gov and thieving Legislature (GOP). 1 cent we will build massive roads and end congestion…YEP
TRUTH:::: Behind closed doors…. but we will line our pockets as well as our cronies.
Vote not NO but HELL NO on the SCAM. Impeach DEAL and his cronies.
Re=elect OBAMA 2012
wishing
June 30th, 2012
1:34 pm
Rail. Build rail. Plan rail. Subsidize rail if you need to. We need rail.
DeKalb Wonkette
June 30th, 2012
1:35 pm
Not a tea partier; not black and not a tree-hugger but will vote NO on T-SPLOST. Here’s why:
1) The business community wants me to pay for improvements that benefit them.
2) EVERYTHING in Georgia is underfunded! Why does transportation/transit/local improvements merit its own separate tax? (Actually its a 3rd tax after the Gas Tax and MARTA penny).
3) I already pay a penny sales tax for MARTA.
4) As a DeKalb County property owner why would I trust the county with any more money? They can’t do appraisals correctly and the school board situation will depress actual values even lower than we have now.
5) I don’t want to live through non-stop construction over the next ten years for projects that may not even be sustainable if, as a recent report by Harvard indicates, the future is more about sprawl after the housing crisis ends.
hiram
June 30th, 2012
1:37 pm
@centist
Shooting the messenger isn’t necessary with this issue. Any reasonably observant Georgia citizen doesn’t need George Soros to tell them that our government is corrupt. It’s documented six ways from Sunday.
Chris Sanchez
June 30th, 2012
1:38 pm
This TSPLOST will be defeated in July for the exact reason suggested in this article. Trust? There is no trust. The GA 400 toll has clearly demonstrated that once a transportation tax is in place it will never be allowed to be removed. There will always be another excuse to renew it. There will never be enough money to satisfy the lust for spending of our politicians.
Do you want the people of metro Atlanta to trust any group that says a new tax is the answer to a given problem? Be worthy of that trust and keep your word. Is that a skeptical perception? Probably. But I am certain of one thing. That perception will not change until our politicians give We the People a reason to change them. Right now, the trust account is well overdrawn!
HENRY
June 30th, 2012
1:40 pm
NO MORE TAX….THE HIGHWAY 400 TOLL WAS SUPPOSE TO SUNSET AND IT DID NOT….WE WILL NOT TRUST YOU AGAIN………..SCREW ALL OF ‘EM
Lester Maddox
June 30th, 2012
1:41 pm
I live in North Atlanta; the black politicians don’t just screw the folks in North Fulton. In Buckhead we pay the bulk of Atlanta’s property tax and and get nothing for it. They build sidewalks and pave roads in the worst parts of town and we get nothing here. West Paces Ferry Road is the worst pothole farm in this city. This disaster road project on Peachtree Rpad has been going on for five years and its still not finished (I never see more than about 5 people working on it every day).
How about a tax on big rims, gold grills, hot fish and chicken wings to pay for MARTA?
A Conservative Voice
June 30th, 2012
1:48 pm
Folks, this is nothing more than a “State Level” Jobs Program. When the ten years (I know, it’s a forever tax) is up, no more than a third of the work will be completed because most of the money will have been spent on administrative costs, i. e., well, you know.
jonny creek
June 30th, 2012
1:49 pm
Big Tax=Big, Intrusive government. Simple huh?
Kris
June 30th, 2012
1:55 pm
@ Lester Maddox
“How about a tax on big rims, gold grills, hot fish and chicken wings to pay for MARTA?”
And while you at it a TAX on pick handles.
Can we go ahead and VOTE NO and get it over with.
Proud Voter
June 30th, 2012
1:57 pm
Uh, “A Conservative Voice,” where did you get this very wrong information? Where is the data to prove this one-third mess? Everything I have said can be verified by those who are literate and can read the t-splost plan without tunnel vision. Disagreeing with t-splost is one thing; blatant spreading of lies about t-splost is just wrong.
Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?.....
June 30th, 2012
2:06 pm
Proud Voter = T-SPLOST Sock Puppet
Highway halcyon
June 30th, 2012
2:08 pm
The people who like to pound away at GDOT are going to flip next Friday when the agency awards a $63,000,000 contract to repave I-285. Why? They only got ONE bid–from a joint venture of the state’s two largest contractors. Kosher? Smelly? Who am I to say? You decide.
Auntie Christ
June 30th, 2012
2:09 pm
lester mad ax says: “How about a tax on big rims, gold grills, hot fish and chicken wings to pay for MARTA?
You left water melon out of your racist stereotype. you’re slipping. Here’s a better idea, tax stupidity. Your contribution alone would be enough to fund t-splost.
LMAO
June 30th, 2012
2:09 pm
On the otherside of the issue regarding race. Stop worrying about what blacks are doing in Unincorporated South Fulton and Atlanta. Start being concerned about your Asian (Indians included) neighbors. They are your competition and taking over your schools, buying up homes and land. Look at the top 10% of your schools, more than half are decendants of Asian ancestry.
trailboss
June 30th, 2012
2:10 pm
I’m sick of people in government saying how Black people if fact I’m voting NO I don’t care about the transit problem. I’m still P O how MARTA bill tricked us.I don’t mind paying my fair share but man we are paying right now for A contractor all the way from Chicago to write me two parking ticket in one day down town, As far as I’m concern you can take mine out of the eighty dollars for my last visit down town. I will say this with all of the money they’re taking from contractors under the table I’m voting no for them eighty dollars.
Auntie Christ
June 30th, 2012
2:20 pm
lamo said: Start being concerned about your Asian (Indians included) neighbors. They are your competition and taking over your schools, buying up homes and land.
Gosh, I remember my ancestor Tecumseh telling me the same thing, except he said it would be white people who would take over the homes, land etc. How times have changed (or not).
Kris
June 30th, 2012
2:27 pm
IF these so called government officials are so DEAD (brain dead GOP ) against and have their panties in a wad because the passing of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), They are calling it a tax…THEN WHAT IS t-apLOST….A tax. A TAX just like the GA400 troll its for ever and ever.
Vote the GOP OUT and their tax
OBAMA 2012