Kasim Reed and his same-sex marriage dilemma

Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed at a January jobs forum at the White House. Astrid Riecken/Getty Images News

Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed at a January jobs forum at the White House. Astrid Riecken/Getty Images News

One month has now passed since President Barack Obama endorsed same-sex marriage.

In doing so, Obama delighted the LGBT community and shook cultural conservatives in the GOP out of their post-primary stupor. All predictable – and perhaps even intentional.

But collateral damage has resulted, too. The president’s evolution on a central tenet of gay rights has condemned Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed, one of his strongest supporters, to an interesting re-election bid in 2013.

One day after Obama’s announcement, the mayor – in a written statement – declared his respect for the president decision, reviewed his past support for gay and lesbian causes, and announced that he was “still wrestling with my own personal beliefs on the issue of marriage.”

Reed hasn’t publicly addressed the matter since. This despite a good deal of prodding, including a Facebook page with the title “Mayor Reed, It’s Time to ‘Evolve’ on Marriage Equality,” which now has 4,250 members. More on this later.

Nor could the mayor of Atlanta – though he is perhaps its best hope in the immediate future – find any solace in the Georgia Democratic party. “It’s simply wrong to prevent couples who are in loving, committed relationships, from marrying,” declared state Chairman Michael Berlon.

Though Reed himself may not want to draw attention to his silence on same-sex marriage, one reason comes immediately to mind. The mayor of Atlanta has become a prominent surrogate for Obama – and it does not do to advertise one’s differences with the candidate one is boosting. Ask Newark, N.J., Mayor Cory Booker.

Obama has made his play when it comes to gay marriage, and it has become Reed’s job not to get in the way.

Longer term, anyone who has watched Reed’s rise – from the state House to the Senate to the mayor’s office – can see that the man has at least one statewide race in him. Perhaps for governor, perhaps for U.S. Senate.

Minds are quickly changing on gay marriage. Obama’s endorsement has changed even more. But it may take some time for the president’s influence to filter into certain areas of south or north Georgia.

In the meantime, Reed will seek re-election next year as mayor of a city where victory lies in striking a balance between a sometimes culturally conservative African-American base and an increasingly powerful gay community.

“You can count on LGBT voters not only to vote, but also to actively support candidates for all levels of office,” said Atlanta political strategist Beth Schapiro, who estimates that 15 percent of the city’s voters are lesbian, gay, transgendered or bisexual. And Obama’s endorsement has raised expectations.

“I think [marriage equality] poses a challenge for the mayor, because it’s not going to go away. His overall record on LGBT rights is very good, but marriage has become a defining issue for many,” she said. “This is a major test for his considerable political skills.”

Which brings us to that Facebook page, started by high school teacher Charlie Stadtlander. In the 2009 race for mayor, Stadtlander was a supporter of Reed’s top rival, Mary Norwood – who lost a runoff by only 715 votes.

Stadtlander said he supported Norwood solely because of her endorsement of gay marriage. Reed, then and now, supported civil unions.

Stadtlander is even more impatient now. “I know that the mayor is in the minority of elected officials in Atlanta. I can’t think of one Democratic elected official in Atlanta that has this position,” Stadtlander said. “This is an anti-gay position in 2012.”

He said he would seek a meeting with the mayor this week. If unsatisfied, Stadtlander intends to organize a protest at City Hall.

Stadtlander believes Reed’s opposition to marriage equality could encourage a formidable opponent. But such a candidate would have to attempt – like Norwood and former Atlanta city council president Lisa Borders three years ago – to unite Republican Buckhead with a strong inclination toward gay rights. And that combination might be harder to glue together in 2013.

Not everyone is attempting to box in the mayor of Atlanta. “We certainly are hopeful that Mayor Reed will come around, that he’ll realize that this is about a civil marriage license, not a religious ceremony,” said Jeff Graham, executive director of Georgia Equality, the most influential gay rights organization in the state.

That said, Graham added, Reed’s evolution “isn’t an issue that we’re actively working on.”

Given that the state Capitol is in the hands of Republicans, Reed’s support for same-sex marriage “would be symbolic at best,” he said.

Georgia Equality intends to focus on more achievable goals – such as legislation to prevent job discrimination, bullying in schools, or funding for HIV medication. All of which will require support from a broad coalition, in the Capitol and elsewhere.

Attitudes are changing, even in Georgia, Graham said. But for the time being, “marriage equality is not an issue that we’re going to hold candidates to,” he said.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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65 comments Add your comment

Dave

June 8th, 2012
6:24 pm

I’m a getting older, white, straight guy with possibly enough money to get by, that in my mind thinks I’m rational and middle of the road. That last part is subject to dispute seeing as I think our President and Atlanta’s Mayor are full of it. I happen to think that the Bill of Rights means something and am not interested in the President or the Mayor evolving when it comes to discrimination. I’m happy that they are and I understand in a political system there really aren’t any rights until you get a consensus that there are rights. But, I think the time is now for gay folks. Kasim, my friend quicken the pace, if any official can accept “other” and not get damned for it, I’d think it would be the Mayor of the City of Atlanta. And if you can’t, and go down in flames, so to speak, in the next election, wouldn’t it be a good thing to go down, so to speak for a good cause?

Dave

June 8th, 2012
6:34 pm

And were this one of the sports blogs, First!

Kris

June 8th, 2012
7:16 pm

Mr. Jim Galloway. do you take request on stories?

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td

June 8th, 2012
7:35 pm

“can see that the man has at least one statewide race in him. Perhaps for governor, perhaps for U.S. Senate”

He will never be elected to a statewide office in this state. Better stay mayor for two terms and be happy. .

Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?.....

June 8th, 2012
8:05 pm

Kasim Reed is in quite the pickle seeing as though he is a black mayor who leads a city with a strong gay population who increasingly will not accept no for an answer on the issue of gay marriage and a still strong (though not nearly as strong as it used to be) black population who isn’t all that enamored with the idea of gay marriage or gay anything for that matter.

Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?.....

June 8th, 2012
8:13 pm

td

June 8th, 2012
7:35 pm

“He will never be elected to a statewide office in this state. Better stay mayor for two terms and be happy. .”

You’re right. With the State of Georgia becoming increasingly more politically conservative by the day, outside of the five-county urban core of Metro Atlanta, the Democrat Party might as well be, for all intents and purposes, non-existent in statewide politics for the time being.

Outside of I-285 it has gotten so bad that the mere utterance of the word “Democrat” in public is considered a highly-offensive slur and a very nasty and contemptuous insult.

Dave

June 8th, 2012
8:59 pm

And worse, someone who includes Democrat in their online name at 8:13 talks like Fox – “Democrat Party.” Go to the Georgia Secretary of State site and find out the name of the Georgia party that isn’t the GOP. It includes “ic.”

OTP

June 8th, 2012
9:02 pm

Will the last… “…Outside of I-285 it has gotten so bad that the mere utterance of the word “Democrat” in public is considered a highly-offensive slur and a very nasty and contemptuous insult.

Have I got news for you! One need not go outside 285 to have it considered a highly offensive slur.

Virginia

June 8th, 2012
9:19 pm

Thanks Dave,
You summed it up well. There are plenty of us older, straight, married and yes CHRISTIAN folks who agree with marriage equality. Gay people can’t possibly screw up the sanctity of marriage any more than many of our famous celebrities and politicians.

JP

June 8th, 2012
9:37 pm

The more interesting dynamic isn’t the gay marriage question. I’m not convinced there’s a constitutional basis for excluding gays from marrying. It’s interesting that so many black “leaders,” particularly ministers, seem so cavalier about letting this slide within the Democrat/ic Party. It would seem the god you have before who bestow “blessings” today is far more important than the God you profess to serve for blessings in Heaven.

Centrist

June 8th, 2012
9:54 pm

jgalloway blogged “But it may take some time for the president’s influence to filter into certain areas of south or north Georgia.” I guess that only leaves ITP Atlanta. Also, hilarious that jgalloway’s leftist wishful thinking “can see that the man has at least one statewide race in him. Perhaps for governor, perhaps for U.S. Senate.” Reality is not his strong suit (bridge card game term).

Greg

June 8th, 2012
10:31 pm

Dave and Virginia,
“Civil rights” exists to ensure equal protection of citizens in their participation in society. Until government bestows such rights through legistation or executive decree we exist with our “human rights” as expressed from enlightenment philosophy in our Declaration of Independence and Constitution. Marriage, traditionally a religious sacrament, is also recognized also as a legal entity in common law. The over 4,000 year practice of marriage has been recognized as a union of man and woman. Other type of relationships between consenting adults have existing legal provisions. For government to intrude upon the religious sacrament of marriage is in violation of the free practice of religion. To redefine marriage opens to the door to all kinds of possibilities. Should we end the “tyrrany of monogamy” by allowing state recognition of polygamy?

3d

June 8th, 2012
10:35 pm

I will acknowledge homosexuals as married couples when the first baby is produced through same sex intercourse.

Better get cracking. That’s a tough nut to crack. (no pun intended)

Get back with me when that happens.

4d

June 8th, 2012
10:50 pm

3d June 8th, 2012 10:35 pm said -

I will acknowledge homosexuals as married couples when the first baby is produced through same sex intercourse.

I think that is where reporters come from.

[...] Kasim Reed and his same-sex marriage dilemma Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed at a January jobs forum at the White House. Astrid Riecken/Getty Images News One month has now passed since President Barack Obama endorsed same-sex marriage. In doing so, Obama delighted the LGBT community and shook cultural … Read more on Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) [...]

Question Man

June 8th, 2012
11:09 pm

Why is this a dilemma for Mayor Reed? Will he support gay marriage soon and be viewed as a leader? Or will Mayor Reed dilly-dally and not support it for awhile, and look political and short-sighted when he finally supports it?.

Representative Ralph Long

June 8th, 2012
11:52 pm

Our mayor is not in a pickle. I supported Mary Norwood over him and have not spoken with him since then and that his shortfall. I also support gay marriage and proudly have gay people in my family, on my street, and in my life that I love. However, I will stand by the Mayor’s side, walk door to door, and do what I have to do for his candidacy if Georgia Equality does not get over its hypocrisy and bigotry towards people who are straight. As I have gone door to door vying for support for my July 31st primary, I have had doors shut in my face by people who were not concerned with issues at all, by people who did not want to hear my platform because I was not gay. Georgia Equality has never sent a survey or called me to hear my views on any public policy issue before endorsing my gay opponent, another Legislator who I respect and love very much. Georgia Equality has failed to educate its constituency on the fact that I supported the renewed hate crimes legislation that was introduced this year as well as the workplace discrimination legislation. Georgia Equality has failed to properly acknowledge that there are gay allies in primary races who will proudly defend the rights of the LGBT community. Georgia Equality has never asked me my beliefs on a single issue or about the fact that I have never voted to discriminate against anyone. I think that is bigotry and I will not let it go until they apologize to me. I have been discriminated against because I was black in this country. I watched Mary Norwood get discriminated against in her Mayoral race because she was white and I am raising the flag on certain political factions within the LBGT community for their bigotry. I have never shied away from tough issues and I will not now, even though this is an election year. In fact, for the betterment of equality, the timing could not be more perfect. No one should be discriminated against regardless of race, color, gender, sexual orientation or religious belief. I cry foul against political groups that would turn the electorate into single-issue, identity voters without talking about actual public policy issues. As a current legislator it is not appropriate to endorse candidates simply because of their sexual orientation. The gay people that I know are concerned about education, jobs, transportation, and other relevant issues in addition to marriage and it is an insult to assume otherwise.

Mayor is too young to be anti-marriage

June 9th, 2012
12:16 am

I am disappointed that the Mayor is standing in the way of social progress. He is young, he is a leader in a progressive city with lots of gay people. He will come around eventually. It’s sad that it’s taking him so long. He does not need to act like an ignorant Republican to have a political future. Attitudes even among the conservatives are changing fast on this issue of LGBT rights. Even Dick Cheney is ahead of Mayor Reed in this case.

Rep. Long, thank you for your service. However, I wish the Republicans had not gerrymandered you into the same district with my hero Simone Bell! She is a great social justice pioneer. I live in this district and will be voting for her. She is an impressive leader on several issues, not just gay issues.

Burroughston Broch

June 9th, 2012
12:17 am

Mayor Reed doesn’t want to run for re-election in 2013; he wants a big job in the 2nd Obama administration as the next rung up the political ladder (just like Shirley Franklin 4 years ago).

Now he has a dilemma – does he fully support LGBT folk or doesn’t he? If he doesn’t and Obama is re-elected, then he might not get the plum DC job. If he does and Obama is not re-elected, then he reduces his chance of keeping the job as Mayor.

I agree with Centrist and others – Mayor Reed doesn’t have any chance of winning a statewide race, particularly with the Georgia Democratic Party self-destructing. They don’t need any help from the Republicans.

Ruth Jordan

June 9th, 2012
1:04 am

@Mayor is too young, out of curiosity, what are the several issues Rep. Bell has led on? I can’t recall her standing up for anything other than gay issues.

UGA alum '03

June 9th, 2012
3:01 am

Who cares what the mayor thinks about gay marriage? He has ZERO power to decide this issue. If you care about the issue, take it up with the governor or state legislature, who actually have some power. Or take it up with Georgia citizens, who could vote on the issue in a future referendum.

Buckhead Boy

June 9th, 2012
3:04 am

Will …, I can remember a time when few could conceive of a Republican running statewide, and the same class of people who now would consider “Democrat” being a slur as then having the same attitude toward “Republican”. I suppose that the more things change, they stay the same.

UGA alum '03

June 9th, 2012
3:07 am

Hey, while we’re at it, let’s demand the mayor take a stand on proposals to solve the Greek debt crisis. Ooh ooh, Mr. Mayor, where do you stand on Mars colonization? And which side do you take on all the other issues that you HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.

Weetamoe

June 9th, 2012
6:28 am

Reed is a democrat, not a democratic; Obama is a democrat, not a democratic. Many republicans are democratic and many democrats are not democratic at all. Correct language usage is not a slur and every little Jo and Josefine knows that.

Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?.....

June 9th, 2012
6:33 am

Mayor is too young to be anti-marriage

June 9th, 2012
12:16 am

“I am disappointed that the Mayor is standing in the way of social progress. He is young, he is a leader in a progressive city with lots of gay people. He will come around eventually. It’s sad that it’s taking him so long. He does not need to act like an ignorant Republican to have a political future.”

Mayor Reed does not need to act like an ignorant Republican to have a political future?

Are you kidding me? This is hard-core red-state Georgia, the Center of the Republican Universe, a state that is arguably the most Republican state in the Union.

Not only does Kasim need to act like an “ignorant” Republican to have a political future, he needs to BECOME an “ignorant” Republican to have a political future.

In case you haven’t noticed, politicians with the letter (D) after their names are virtually extinct outside of Fulton and DeKalb counties these days.

Ga Values

June 9th, 2012
6:36 am

I see no reason why Reed can’t be elected Governor after all he is as big a crook as Deal.

Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?.....

June 9th, 2012
6:51 am

Buckhead Boy

June 9th, 2012
3:04 am

I remember that time, too, when just the mere mention of the word “Republican” was considered a hilarious joke in which people just could not stop laughing uncontrollably when they heard it.

Unfortunately, since taking control of state government, Republicans have become even more of an outrageous joke while governing, it’s just that instead of the joke being funny, instead it’s increasingly been on us.

What was the point of the Republicans trying to take control of the place if all that they were going to do was rob, raid and pillage the place down to the last bread crumb before burning it down to the ground?

Wait a minute. I think that I just answered my own question…

The Daily Yall

June 9th, 2012
7:14 am

In a free country people don’t need a license from the government to get married, build a house, open a business, or go fishing. Nor do they have to pay the government to live on their land in their house, or drive their car or boat. With that said, I always find it interesting when people claim a majority support gay marriage, but every time it’s on the ballot, the measure fails big. The truth is not quite 4% of the population is gay, but you would never know it based on the amount of noise coming from the gay community. If gays want equal rights, they shoild focus on freedom and liberty, which does not come from government, and the rest will take care of itself.

DannyX

June 9th, 2012
8:23 am

“…I always find it interesting when people claim a majority support gay marriage, but every time it’s on the ballot, the measure fails big.”

Keep repeating that as often as you can for the next 4 months, after November you won’t be able to make that claim anymore.

Pamela

June 9th, 2012
9:15 am

Mayor Reed does NOT have to support the ’so called’ same sex marriage. It really isn’t a marriage anyway! GOD is no where in the presence of these sinful things period! Even if Mayor Reed does not support it does not make him a bad choice for Atlanta’s Mayor! I’m so sick and tired of gay people forcing their sin on everyone else. Think about it…’so called’ gay marriages do not last long at all! Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman period. This is totally disgusting! God does not recognize it as a marriage and neither do I or many other people in this world.

Speak the Truth

June 9th, 2012
9:17 am

I’m really a sick person! Please just ignore my blogs. I’m a confused person! I need help!

DannyX

June 9th, 2012
10:22 am

“Think about it…’so called’ gay marriages do not last long at all!”

Exactly. How dare gay people for wanting to compete with straights when it comes to divorce!!! Us straight Christians are the divorce champions!!!! Over 50% of all our “Until death do us part” straight Christian marriages end in divorce!!! If gays think they will swear a lifetime of marriage in a church before God only to break their vows like we do they are crazy!!!! Straights are the only ones that are allowed to do that!!!!

Jesus hates STRAIGHT divorce, he said so. What gives gays the right to ignore Jesus the way us straight Christians do????? Adultery is our sin!!!

Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman, then divorce, then remarriage for that man with another woman, and remarriage for that woman with a different man, then more divorce and more marriage.

Shar

June 9th, 2012
10:34 am

Greg wrote, “Marriage, traditionally a religious sacrament, is also recognized also as a legal entity in common law.” It is recognized in statute as well, in everything from tax policy to family law to benefits and end of life/inheiritance issues. Once marriage crosses over the line from religious tradition to civil statute, it must apply to all of those to whom the overall statute applies.

There is no rationale reason to exclude same sex couples from the rights and responsibilities of a committed relationship that is recognized by the state. 3d seems to object on the basis of reproduction, but in that case is it also fair to exclude infertile men and women from marriage, or those who choose not to have children? That, too, was a “religious sacrament”, and the inability to produce children is still regarded as a legitimate reason to renounce or even kill women (men, of course, are never seen as being at fault) who fail to conceive. Most of us have rejected such interpretations of religion, as did Jesus himself when he reached out to the most despised with grace.

Pamela, if you are tired of “gay people forcing their sin on everyone else”, just think of how tired many of us are with judgemental, self-righteous “Christians” trying their best to impose their interpretation of the Bible in the public arena. There is no basis for your statement that gay marriages “do not last long at all!”, nor is there any civil reason in your post for denying your gay fellow Americans the rights that you take for granted.

Marriage is a legal entity binding two people into one legal corpus. If you don’t want to hold a same sex celebration in your church, you don’t have to. But you cannot deny a basic civil right to people who are just as much citizens as you are.

td

June 9th, 2012
10:36 am

The act of homosexuality is an abomination and should be condemned by not only the church but also by the government. The act is against all natures law and we should not sanction or approve of it in any manner.

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Mark M.

June 9th, 2012
11:03 am

As a hard-right conservative, let me admit one thing: I am not worried about having gays and lesbians ‘marry.’ Personally, I am not in favor of this but if that is to be let it be and leave them alone. We’re not talking about people who are plotting to overthrow our government, become terrorists, avoid military duty or harm me (or us) in any way that I know of, so back off and let them go about their lives.

This country has severe problems that must be addressed and corrected; gay marriage ain’t one of them—not even in the top 50 problems.

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Edward

June 9th, 2012
11:40 am

In states where same-gender marriage is legal, divorce is considerably less common than in the “bible belt” states where same-gender relationships are still discriminated against. The “bible-belt” has the highest divorce rate in the nation. And yet, their own much-quoted bible even states that remarriage after divorce is considered adultery, which is punishable by death. I don’t hear you people screaming for that action, do I? Nothing but a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites here in the South.

Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?.....

June 9th, 2012
11:59 am

Edward

June 9th, 2012
11:40 am

“And yet, their own much-quoted bible even states that remarriage after divorce is considered adultery, which is punishable by death.”

That punishment only applies to those whom are not saved…In other words that only applies to all social Liberals.

Chuck

June 9th, 2012
12:12 pm

I hope the mayor follows Obama and the NAACP and evolves on this issue. Remember Atlanta: The City too busy to hate? As for Pamela, I’m not interested in what she, her church, or her god think. Equality always wins over hate, ignorance, and discrimination. And fortunately, we do have separation of church and state in this county.

DannyX

June 9th, 2012
12:18 pm

“That punishment only applies to those whom are not saved”

LOL!!!

Corey

June 9th, 2012
12:35 pm

To gay or not to gay. That’s one horse that has long since left the barn. I would summize that that horse is galloping freely about the country side. I believe it was that Anita Bryant woman who left the barn door open.

Auntie Christ

June 9th, 2012
12:37 pm

td says: “The act of homosexuality is an abomination and should be condemned by not only the church but also by the government. The act is against all natures law and we should not sanction or approve of it in any manner.”

Since Christ said absolutely nothing about homosexuality, I see you are looking to the old testament, as so many of you do, to justify your bigotry. If you are going to quote Leviticus, then let’s hear your words of wisdom on the people who are having bacon for breakfast, who are having lobster tonight. Do you advocate stoning all the adulterers out there, the ones who divorced and remarried? You remember Christ don’t you, from whence the word christian derives, He said divorcees who remarry are adulterers, and Leviticus says we stone adulterers.
As for marriage being a ’sacred’ institution, it was for centuries essentially a business transaction between families, with daughters as chattel, traded and bartered like cows, in arranged marriages.

J.G.

June 9th, 2012
12:46 pm

The whole argument about same-sex marriage is silly. Marriage is not up to the government at all, and the government on whatever level should be put completely out of the equation.

Obama bringing the issue up was mainly designed to keep the news channels and their followers focused on an inessential so that no discussion of the collapsing economy, the lost wars, the new wars getting ready to start, etc. etc. would derail his efforts to remain president.

Corey

June 9th, 2012
12:47 pm

My black brothers and sisters no other group spends as much time in church praising the lord and whooping it for Jesus than we do. No other group has as many churches in their community per population than we do. Yet our community is in shambles and imorality has become the status quo. Something surely isn’t working. We seriously need to stop sticking our heads in the religious sand, open our eyes and face reality. Let’s welcome enlightenment, science, logic and reason into our lives and stop letting reverand this and bishop that do our thinking. They enrich themselves from our gullibility and ignorance. God has already deliverd us to the promise land. America is the greatest nation in the history of the planet when it comes to freedoms and opportunities. Wake up, people.

Imminent Questions?

June 9th, 2012
1:47 pm

1) Is it possible for people to disagree on both sides of the issue
without personal attacks on their character?

2) How might the U.S. Supreme Court deal with the issue of
the Full Faith and Credit Clause in Article IV of the U.S.
Constitution (States strictly defining marriage against
states expanding marriage to gay couples)?

3) If the definition of marriage is expanded, how do states
logically limit the future definition of alternative marriage
arrangements by consenting adults?

4) Will the tax exempt status of a religious organization
(church, temple mosque etc.- 501 (C) (3)) be taken
away if they do not perform the marriage ceremony?

5) What is the appropriate constitutional balance between
matters of religious faith ,and the rights of individuals in
the U.S. Constitution?

Jesus Christ crushes perverted NWO, DBMs

June 9th, 2012
2:12 pm

Jim said that …Mayor Reed will seek re-election next year as mayor of a city where victory lies in striking a balance between a sometimes culturally conservative African-American base and an increasingly powerful gay community…

But we say that Americans and especially Integrationist African Americans should understand the qualitative difference between the Godless New World Order and the Jesus Christ centered old order.

The perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions no longer regard whether we are right or wrong on moral issues. Their primary concern is whether or not a group of people has authentic power on earth e.g. separate but equal, land, corporations, banks, businesses, farms, hospitals, colleges, etc.

As a result of the integrationist philosophy espoused by African American leaders and their devilish black minions, the gays have separate but equal authentic power and the pitiful liberal but sometimes culturally conservative African-Americans do not.

Amen?

Jesus Christ crushes perverted NWO, DBMs

June 9th, 2012
2:42 pm

If the masses of African Americans in the United States and elsewhere don’t have enough sense to demand that their black leaders support the concept of separate but equal institutions, then gays, criminals, and the godless should continue to use their power for the purpose of perverting, mis-educating, confusing, and imprisoning them etc.

Amen?

Tom

June 9th, 2012
3:05 pm

The real tragedy here is that we continue to spend so much time, rhetoric, and energy on an issue that will be a non-issue within the next decade or so. All of these “marriage amendments” and laws banning same-sex marriage will go the way of those prohibiting interracial marriage in the late 60’s.Those who have actual understanding of The Constitution understand this. Even the author of DOMA has come to understand this.

Continuing to harp on this issue plays into the hands of the extreme left.