Of gays, lesbians and an electric fence in North Carolina
Below is a clip of the anti-gay sermon by the Rev. Charles Worley of Providence Road Baptist Church in Maiden, N.C., that’s whipping around the Internet via YouTube:
Look, it doesn’t matter what you think of gay marriage or Barack Obama. Should it ever come to pass, the inside of the Reverend Worley’s electric fence will be the only side to be on. And it’s a sin that anyone should have to say so.
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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SHELBY FRANCIS
May 23rd, 2012
10:12 am
This man preaches hate and calls himself a Christian. That’s probably enough said, but of course I will say more. Why don’t these religious people choose a subject that is mentioned in the 10 Commandments. Another words why not pick hatred for theives, or adulterers, or something like that. As the survey has shown, those who speak the loudest are usually the guilty ones……….Go Rev Worley. You make me pukin’ sick!
Mark
May 23rd, 2012
10:13 am
Oh no! Christians advocating killings and electrocution? I’m stunned!
Patrick
May 23rd, 2012
10:17 am
I think it is funny the Reverend is now the “poster child” for the Southern Baptists. Way to put a face on your “religion” Reverand Worley!
Keep up the good work and keep those camera’s rolling so we can all continue to see you!
Aquagirl
May 23rd, 2012
10:18 am
That was quite a long pause after “can you imagine kissing another man?”
John K
May 23rd, 2012
10:21 am
Ah, he’s preaching the religion of peace, eh?
Richard
May 23rd, 2012
10:21 am
We need Mel Brooks to write a song about the North Carolina version of the Inquisition. What a Show!
Auntie Christ
May 23rd, 2012
10:22 am
I seem to remember a few days ago, a number of the good baptist brethren commenting here took me to task for suggesting that the baptists preached politics from the pulpit. They claimed it just doesn’t happen.
I would criticize this good christian man, but he happened to mention that he knows what god thinks, so he must be on a first name basis with her and converses regularly with her, I don;t want to get on the good reverends bad side and have him telling god to put me in some kind of electrified corral like the gays.
I’m just glad I live in a good christian nation, where people like the good reverend here elect like minded republicans who love America, but hate most Americans.
Tom
May 23rd, 2012
10:22 am
This is the true face of American Christianity, folks.
janet
May 23rd, 2012
10:29 am
Me thinks the preacher doth protest too much.
Auntie Christ
May 23rd, 2012
10:32 am
And it’s risible that the republicans are going to make Jeremiah Wright a campaign issue this year becasue Wright is ‘unAmerican.’ There is only one Jeremiah Wright, but the LARGE majority of republicans attend churches every Sunday where the kind of vitriol spouted by this guy worley, pat roberson, the grahams and others is the norm.
Jack Nasty
May 23rd, 2012
10:36 am
Pastors usually feel like God is speaking THROUGH them to the congregation. I know God is not speaking through this man and his hateful message. I’m AGIN him…
Let's not get carried away
May 23rd, 2012
10:40 am
This is one of the most repugnant things I’ve seen lately. But just because this guy claims he speaks for Christians does not mean, as one person generalized, that “this is the true face of American Christianity.”
Reverend Father Charlie
May 23rd, 2012
10:47 am
There is no vileness that cannot be freely uttered by a man whose name is prefaced with the word Reverend.
Patrick
May 23rd, 2012
10:48 am
Get Real–Revorand Worley. Reverend Worley–Get Real.
You two make a fine looking couple.
zeke
May 23rd, 2012
10:48 am
what a dumb ship this guy is….they can’t reproduce…..what a more on…..
Tom
May 23rd, 2012
10:51 am
Well, Let’s-not-get-carried-away, I’m just speaking the truth in love. The good Rev. Worley hates the sin but loves the sinner.
Get Real
May 23rd, 2012
10:53 am
This man represents “christians” no more than the anti-white, anti-jew Louis Farrakkhan represents all blacks. Im christian and think the idea of 2 men together is truly disgusting (ever seen a gay pride parade? ) Yes i believe they are cursed by God, yes i believe they have crappy lives. It dosent however…. mean that i believe they should be electruicted or put in a fence. To say the majority of christians feel the way of this pastor, is misleading to say the least.
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
10:57 am
get real-you represent christians and I wouldn’t want anything to do with you. Your views make me sick.
Marlboro Man
May 23rd, 2012
10:57 am
A clear reason to revoke non-profit status. Taxes are due.
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
11:01 am
“The good Rev. Worley hates the sin but loves the sinner.”
Yes Tom, the wonderful Rev Worley proved that when he mentioned that a helicopter would drop food inside the concentration camps, a very compassionate gesture. If Rev Worley was truly a hateful person he would have parachuted Get Real down to live with them. I feel the love.
Hate the sin, love the concentration camps, its the new Christian.
Patrick
May 23rd, 2012
11:03 am
” Im christian and think the idea of 2 men together is truly disgusting”
Get Real–I do agree that the idea of you and Reverend Worley together calling themselves Christians IS truly disgusting.
GiGi6
May 23rd, 2012
11:04 am
This guy makes me ILL!! What makes me SICKEST is that I AM a Christian and that man is NO one I would be associated with!! No, the majority Republican Christians are NOT sitting in churches somewhere listening to this garbage!! Don’t judge all Christians by this idiot!! Please also don’t lump this idiot in with sound Christian Preachers!! He does NOT represent me or anyone Christian I know!! And I am a church secretary of a Baptist Church!! NOT THAT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Refugee from the "Sahara of the Bozart" (Thank God and H.L. Mencken We Escaped)
May 23rd, 2012
11:04 am
Dixie is making funny noises as it circles the drain. Jim, this is another video of NC preachers competing with Jawja for the front pages of buffoonery. Sentient beings are fleeing the “Hate States” before it is too late and they find themselves fenced in for real. Just saying…
melshop
May 23rd, 2012
11:07 am
A couple of points: I am a Christian and believe homosexuality is a sin but don’t agree with the tone (and actual words) of this particular sermon. However, being raised a Southern Baptist, I understand this style of preaching better than most. It’s a bit hard to explain, but the style is to go to an extreme to illustrate a point. It doesn’t mean he actually would put up a fence for gays, but he is saying it to demonstrate how much he is opposed to it. His real point is that, if you separate them, they can’t exist beyond a generation because they can’t naturally reproduce. I know many see this and look at what he said and take it at face value because of his actual words, but I am telling you there is a difference. All Christians I know, and my pastor who also preaches against all forms of sin including this one, have the belief that Jesus died so that everyone who confesses their sins and comes to Him may have eternal life. God sent His Son to be the sacrifice for our sins because God loves us – all of us – and the gay person is no exception. God can deliver anyone from ANY sin, although He may allow some to struggle for a lifetime in order to keep them seeking Him. Therefore, the best way for us to win the lost – including homosexuals – to Christ is by showing them God’s love. While I support preaching against sin and providing a bit of clarity on moral issues in American culture, this sermon clearly does not encourage church members to spread the Gospel and love people to Christ.
Tom
May 23rd, 2012
11:07 am
In the spirit of Christian charity, let us all agree that Rev. Worley is No True Scotsman.
Ashley
May 23rd, 2012
11:08 am
@Get Real….you seem to know a lot about gay people…… you probably need to focus more on your spelling and punctuation, instead of making ignorant statements about people who you deem unworthy. Cursed by God you say….please stop drinking the Pat Robertson kool-aid.
Jeff
May 23rd, 2012
11:09 am
Auntie Christ: Please, don’t bring Billy Graham into this mess. I’m reading through Jonathan Merritt’s new book “A Faith of Our Own: Following Jesus Beyond the Culture Wars”, and based on Merritt’s experience with the man that he shared in Chapter 2, I’m utterly convinced that Rev Billy Graham would be absolutely aghast at this man. Can’t speak for Franklin, but then, Franklin isn’t held in NEAR the regard his father is.
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
11:10 am
melshop-not hard to explain at all. I know hate and homophobia when I see it. You do too but have been brainwashed by your “pastor” to think otherwise. You are no better than get real for condoning this.
double
May 23rd, 2012
11:11 am
Adultery/homosexuality both abominations.Adultery just pays a higher tithe so in human eyes not as serious sin.
Patrick
May 23rd, 2012
11:11 am
Melshop–way to stick up for the Reverand.
” It’s a bit hard to explain, but the style is to go to an extreme to illustrate a point. It doesn’t mean he actually would put up a fence for gays, but he is saying it to demonstrate how much he is opposed to it”
There was this German guy who used word like this to illustrate a similar point a while back. Why don’t you Google it and see how that turned out.
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
11:12 am
@Get Real:
AIDS is God’s curse upon gays?
You do realize that 90% of the world’s AIDS cases occur in heterosexuals?
God has really bad aim if he meant AIDS to be a plague upon homosexuals.
But don’t let facts get in the way of your hate or your so-called Christian thinking.
I think Jesus would be ashamed of you.
Jeff
May 23rd, 2012
11:13 am
And for those trying to paint all American Christians the color of the idiot above, I give you this, published the day after this idiot preached that extremely disturbing and theologically and morally incorrect sermon: (Distillation of some of Merritt’s points in the book I mentioned above) http://www.relevantmagazine.com/god/church/features/29244-7-ways-the-church-should-change-its-political-tune
Frankie
May 23rd, 2012
11:17 am
being gay is a sin….right
killing is a sin…right
adultery is a sin….right
there are a ton of sins that we christians, non-christians, jews, catholic, muslims, hindu, buddist, etc. commit everyday.
should these sinners also be sectioned off and allowed to die off.
apparently, this preacher believes that gays/lesbians are born this way…some are some aren’t. what happens to the ones that change after they are born…wouldn’t they be on the side of the fence with the non-gay/lesbian sinners…
the long pause of the preacher imagining he was kissing another man…
I am willing to bet that sooner or later (SOONER), we will read that this preacher was found out to have a male lover…..or being on the down low…kissing a man between his legs….what a fool….
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
11:17 am
@melshop:
“His real point is that, if you separate them, they can’t exist beyond a generation because they can’t naturally reproduce”
Has anyone in your narrow-minded constituency ever considered the fact that 99.999999% of the gay people who have ever walked the face of the earth, did so as a result of heterosexual coupling?
Native Atlantan
May 23rd, 2012
11:22 am
We would die off in a generation? Seriously? How do this folks think most of us got here? I’m not the son of 2 men or 2 women — I am the son of my mother and father; deeply religious parents who still loved me and my partner of 25 years. What happens to the next generation of gays — do they get dropped in the camp as well?
Good Lord — the ignorance is thick.
double
May 23rd, 2012
11:23 am
And Eve was the mother of all.Bible don’t say Adam father of all.
GaBlue
May 23rd, 2012
11:25 am
I think it should be illegal for Baptist preachers to marry or adopt children.
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
11:26 am
@double
“And Eve was the mother of all.Bible don’t say Adam father of all.”
I’m still trying to figure out where Cain and Abel’s wives came from.
That one has always given me the heebie jeebies.
sheepdawg
May 23rd, 2012
11:27 am
blathering idiot
Inis Magrath
May 23rd, 2012
11:28 am
This proves that it is a LIE when these preachers types say, “Hate the sin but love the sinner.”
Forcing people into a concentration camp until they “die off” is not how anyone would show love.
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
11:31 am
I am envisioning a paid public service announcement from Bob Barker:
“…and don’t forget to spay or nueter your local Baptists”
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
11:31 am
I am a firm believer in ALL churches losing their tax free status.
sheepdawg
May 23rd, 2012
11:32 am
american taliban at work, no different from what the muslems preach
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
11:32 am
And I would love to hear Michelle Bachman’s take on this. We know her husband can pray away the gay (except for himself apparently).
Twinkletoes
May 23rd, 2012
11:33 am
For all of you who think gay/lesbian folks are sinners: do you believe that everyone w/blue eyes is a mutant? No, of course not, so your sinning analogy is just as valid as that crazy belief. I don’t know of ANYONE who is g/l/b/t who suddenly decides to be g/l/b/t. Who, in their right mind, would choose to be vilified by society, called a sinner by those who claim to be christian (what on earth happened to love thy neighbor as you love yourself?) or beaten to death/murdered for being who you are? Being g/l/b/t is just as much a birth condition as blue or brown eyes are. Gay/lesbian folks are everywhere in our society whether you can identify them or not!!! And it’s WAY past time that all humans were given equal rights!
Rockerbabe
May 23rd, 2012
11:33 am
His attitude towards the lord’s children is very sad and disturbing to say the least. He should turn in his credentials [assuming he has any] as a preacher of Christ’s teachings, because his comments are anything but Christ-like.
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
11:33 am
The sad thing is, I suspect collections are up 20% in this yahoo’s church.
Rockerbabe
May 23rd, 2012
11:35 am
the cat: ditto. no self-respecting church should accept a government subsidy of any kind.
Rockerbabe
May 23rd, 2012
11:36 am
Inis Magrath: concentration camps are unamerican and not Christ-like at all.
Marie
May 23rd, 2012
11:36 am
Replace “Lesbians, Queers and Homosexuals” with the word “Jew” and who does this guy sound like. Heil Worley! He and his ilk are the reason I am no longer a Christian. To paraphrase Ghandi: “I like your Christ, it is your Christians I do no like for they are nothing like your Christ.”
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
11:37 am
And for all those who decry being painted with the same brush as the lunatic preacher, your protestations would carry much more weight if you DEMANDED that the SBC leadership issue a clear and loud denouncement of the buffoon in NC.
bubba bob
May 23rd, 2012
11:37 am
Why is this article listed in the Politics section and not under Entertainment?
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
11:38 am
Look before I leap-excellent point!
Bobby
May 23rd, 2012
11:39 am
I love his supposition that if all gay men and lesbians could be rounded up and put into a fence that they would die off because they can’t reproduce. He apparently is not aware that gays come from heterosexual parents and would simply replenish themselves in due time.
Bobby
May 23rd, 2012
11:40 am
Where is our good friend TD who insists that churches don’t preach politics from their pulpit. He seems amazingly absent.
massachusetts thug
May 23rd, 2012
11:40 am
why is this posting here at all? oh wait, no one would read galloway otherwise…
Twinkletoes
May 23rd, 2012
11:40 am
I don’t consider his words as just sad. I consider them horrifying as well as untruthful. His variety of preaching is the BIG reason I have nothing to do w/religion! I treat others as I want to be treated and that is with respect and courtesy!
Don Abernethy
May 23rd, 2012
11:44 am
This church does not represent Baptist churches. The media continues to try to keep the gay subject in the lime light in hopes of switching Christians to their pro gay side. The Bible is VERY clear on this subject. Homosexuality is a sin because GOD says it is a sin. We will love the gays but hate their sin just as God hates their sin. We will NEVER compromise God’s Word no matter what the cost..
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
11:47 am
Don Abernethy-picking and choosing which parts of the bible to take liberally is deceitful. shall we go ahead and stone you now or after lunch?
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
11:48 am
take literally of course
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
11:50 am
“The Bible is VERY clear on this subject.”
And 65% of the world’s population think the bible is a mixture of fairy tale, revisionist history and general hogwash.
It’s nice to be in the majority once in a while.
Patrick
May 23rd, 2012
11:53 am
Don A.–Would “loving the gays” include allowing marriage equality when it comes to things like income tax, Social Security, hospital visitation, etc.?
You could still hate the sin if you want, just don’t punish the sinner. You can just let god make that call.
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
11:55 am
It appears that Rev Worley has had some spiritual growth!
He said this in 1978…”"Forty years ago [gay people] would’ve hung, bless God, from a white oak tree!”
Now he just wants to round up the “queers” and put them in concentration camps.
PMC
May 23rd, 2012
11:56 am
I guess I missed the part of the New Testament where Jesus demonizes groups of people.
Patrick
May 23rd, 2012
11:57 am
DannyX–I good point. Baby steps, right?
GiGi6
May 23rd, 2012
11:57 am
For those of you that are saying that all Christians believe like Worley, it is fairly obvious that you have not visited any church at all or you would know that this man is in the minority! I think it is pretty narrow minded to believe all Christians agree with him as much as all white males are like Timothy McVeigh. Funny how many of you seem to know so much about what “we” believe yet when someone tries to tell you they are a Christian and do not agree with that man, you say something rude and basically call them liars. You want people to open their minds about you……maybe you could start at home. I love people….period……I am not judging them or their decisions!! I have sins in my own life, who am I to judge another? I may or may not agree with homosexuality but that doesn’t matter……I love everyone for WHO they are not WHAT they are!!
Lynn
May 23rd, 2012
12:02 pm
It’s way past time for Christians to stand up and voice their opposition to hate, persecution, and general ugliness…such as the filth this so-called reverend preaches. I don’t believe that most Christians believe what this joker believes. However, if Christians want to be thought of as something other than hate-mongers, they really need to denounce this sort of thing loudly and frequently.
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
12:04 pm
@GiGi
I will ask you a question, did you reach out to the SBC by email or phone and demand that they publicly denounce Worley’s sermon?
If not, then you are part of the problem.
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
12:06 pm
“The Bible is VERY clear on this subject.”
Don, Jesus was even clearer about divorce. How about this Don,
The Bible is VERY clear on this subject. Divorce is a sin because GOD says it is a sin. We will love the divorced but hate their sin just as God hates their sin. We will NEVER compromise God’s Word no matter what the cost..
Divorce is a CHOICE! Jesus said divorce is only allowed in the case of infidelity. Over 50% of all Christian marriages end in divorce. That means there is an awful lot of adultery going on in Christian marriages. Those that divorce without adultery are equally defying the Bible. There are also rules for remarriage that are now completely ignored by the church.
Has anyone ever used the “love the sinner, hate the sin” line on a divorced family member or friend? A lot of married couples say their vows in a church which includes “until death do us part.”
Gays should fear the Bible when Christians start to fear it.
Sluggo
May 23rd, 2012
12:15 pm
No need to travel to N.C., we have the same hate fueled rhetoric here in our own state.
Shorter University needs to recruit Rev. Worley pronto. Sadly, he fits their new agenda.
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
12:16 pm
sluggo-you are right! I had forgotten about the shameful debacle at Shorter. It used to be a good school now just a distant memory.
MyPatootie
May 23rd, 2012
12:16 pm
This is somewhat similar to what I have been saying, just lots more cruel. I was thinking since maybe all the Northeastern states(plus CA and Iowa) have gone for gays marrying, they could all be cordoned off in that area by a fence separating them from the rest of the country. Somewhat like what was done in the leprosy colonies years ago. CA doesn’t matter as they will soon fall into the Pacific when the next earthquake comes along, and Iowa will repeal it next election. They have already kicked the 3 judges off the bench who rammed it down their throats. Maybe all gays and lesbians, etc. could move to the Northeast, and we will all be happy. I know one thing, it will NEVER EVER happen in the South! That’s a guarantee!
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
May 23rd, 2012
12:17 pm
These christianists think if they put a cross on their hatred, thuggishness, and ignorance they can promulgate any filth and stupidity they want. They don’t even get taxed for it.
And, let’s face it – virtually all evangelicals are guilty of versions of this “reverend”s” “thinking” – evangelical Protestants and Catholics think they are superior to the rest of us because they can (mis)quote the supposed divine revelations in the 4000-year-old ramblings of desert goat-herders to justify their primitive, willful stupidity and self-loathing.
Tommy
May 23rd, 2012
12:20 pm
Putting aside the narrow-minded hate this man spews for a moment, I do hope everyone sees the ignorant fallacy in his “strategy”. If you put all the lesbians in one pen, and all the gay men in another, they’ll die off and the world will be rid of ‘them’ because…why exactly? Does he think gay people come from gay people? Most of the gay people I know are the children of straight parents. That’s how that biology works, Preacher Man.
But of course, you’re a little behind, after all your planet is only 6000 years old, rather than millions like the one the rest of us live on.
Jerome Horwitz
May 23rd, 2012
12:21 pm
Let’s revisit something posted earlier on another blog.
Don – Since the Bible said it and homosexuality is wrong I guess you stay from BBQ and the seafood buffet because the Bible says don’t eat either.
honested
May 23rd, 2012
12:26 pm
Does this help to explain to everyone why our founding document (the Constitution, not the bible) prevents comingling of governance and superstition?
We don’t want our laws constructed by people who have to consult with their imaginary friend.
Otherwise, clowns like this decide who gets to die!
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
12:29 pm
“I know one thing, it will NEVER EVER happen in the South! That’s a guarantee!”
Pretty sure the same was said about desegregation, blacks having the right to vote and interracial marriage.
The one thing about ignorance and hate, while pervasive and chronic, it is not inevitable.
Carole
May 23rd, 2012
12:29 pm
melshop
I know many see this and look at what he said and take it at face value because of his actual words, but I am telling you there is a difference.
++++++++
What you described/tried to explain is EXACTLY what was done to Rev. Jeremiah Wright. I agree with you that he probably gave this over-the-top example to his congregation because he believed they would undestand exactly what he was saying. Problem is, to the outside world there is no filter and everything said is taken at face value.
kimster
May 23rd, 2012
12:29 pm
This is made to order for George Carlin. I wish here was still around!
TBone
May 23rd, 2012
12:30 pm
The only difference between a believer and a non-believer is that the believer knows he struggles with sin and needs redemption whereas the non-believer is too proud to admit he is a sinner. Bash away now if it makes you feel better about yourself.
J Throckmorton Malcontent
May 23rd, 2012
12:30 pm
According to the polls, we’re only a handful of ballots away from handing the Reverend and his pals the reins of power again. Here comes the future, wrapped in the Flag, carrying the Cross, and paid for by your friendly neighborhood multinational Too Big To Fail Corp.
Carole
May 23rd, 2012
12:35 pm
Get Real
I’ve also seen people with AID. Some so weak they could hardly move. I didn’t see their flesh falling off of their bodies. By the way, if this is God’s wrath on gays, how come there are babies who are born infected. I had a friend who contracted it from her new husband. She wasn’t gay.
Try thinking for yourself sometimes instead of simply repeating assinine thoughts from other people.
The Truth
May 23rd, 2012
12:37 pm
Anyone want to bet that Rev. Charles Worley of Providence Road Baptist Church in Maiden, N.C. is a Republican?
honested
May 23rd, 2012
12:38 pm
J Throckmorton…..
You identify the most terrifying potential disaster!
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
12:39 pm
The Truth-of course he is a repulican. The more horrifying part for me is hearing the congregation agreeing with him.
jconservative
May 23rd, 2012
12:40 pm
Since he is preaching against gays to his congregation, he obviously believes he has a problem with gays in his congregation.
td
May 23rd, 2012
12:41 pm
Bobby
May 23rd, 2012
11:40 am
Where is our good friend TD who insists that churches don’t preach politics from their pulpit. He seems amazingly absent.
Where is the politics? Homosexuality and I think he also mention “baby killing” are moral issues and are perfectly acceptable topics for any church. He said our President supports gay marriage. Is this a political statement? He said if someone asked him who he was going to vote for he said it would not be for someone that supports gay lovers and killing babies. That statement is close to being over the line but it was his views and not the churches views so it is not political. Might I add that those should be the views for any Christian that is walking into the voting booth. You can not hold up being Christian at the same time you support the legalization of sin.
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
12:41 pm
Rick Santorum would have been one agreeing with him. Has he come out yet?
PB
May 23rd, 2012
12:41 pm
Carole,
Why would we not take what this preacher said at “face value”? He said what he said. No sense trying to justify stupid comments by him. If he was tryring to make a point by going “over the top”, his point is lost in his ignorance and mean-ness. Wow, I am amazed that people would defend this guy…
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
12:43 pm
td-to clarify please. You condone what he says?
Mark
May 23rd, 2012
12:45 pm
@ Get Real
May 23rd, 2012
10:45 am
Every seen someone dying of AIDS? I have, i was once a cable man in Atlanta and while working a apt complex off of North Druid hills rd i did a job for 5 black men. Only they were 5 black transvestites wearing high heels, dresses, and makeup. When i first approaced they were peeling the skin off of each others faces/ bodies on the front pourch because AIDS makes your skin fall off. Needless to say, the apt was disgusting as well. AIDS truly is Gods curse to gays, after that day i was convinced.
I’m am convinced that this is the most ignorant statement of the day!
td
May 23rd, 2012
12:45 pm
The Truth
May 23rd, 2012
12:37 pm
Anyone want to bet that Rev. Charles Worley of Providence Road Baptist Church in Maiden, N.C. is a Republican?
I know I am not to question anyones faith but it is hard for me to fathom how anyone can call themself a Christian and a democrat. The two views about the world do not mix.
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
12:48 pm
td-is a mormon a christian?
td
May 23rd, 2012
12:49 pm
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
12:43 pm
td-to clarify please. You condone what he says?
What part? The part about homosexuality is a sin? Yes. The part about we as a nation should not condom the behavior? Yes. That we should fence them off so that they would die and not spread their behavior to others? No. I would much rather deport all socialist before I went after Homosexuals. What they do behind closed doors is between themselves and God.
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
12:50 pm
td-are you saying there are no gay republicans?
Gene
May 23rd, 2012
12:52 pm
Anyone who has been around them when they think they’re talking to one of “their own” knows that any Baptist to says he “loves the sin but hates the sinner” is lying.
td
May 23rd, 2012
12:53 pm
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
12:48 pm
td-is a mormon a christian?
Do not know and really do not care (but remember that protestants left the Catholic church because they thought they were not Christian enough) .
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
12:54 pm
“I know I am not to question anyones faith but it is hard for me to fathom how anyone can call themself a Christian and a democrat. The two views about the world do not mix.”
Yes, because everyone knows Jesus loved the rich and hated the poor, just like Republicans.
Big Hat
May 23rd, 2012
12:55 pm
More evidence that America 2013 is just Germany 1933.
td
May 23rd, 2012
12:55 pm
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
12:50 pm
td-are you saying there are no gay republicans?
I am sure they many and they are welcome as long as they do not try to change the platform to allow gay marriage or to accept abortion.
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
12:58 pm
“I am sure they many and they are welcome as long as they do not try to change the platform to allow gay marriage or to accept abortion.”
You mean like most churches changed the platform on divorce???
Divorce is a CHOICE!
td
May 23rd, 2012
12:59 pm
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
12:54 pm
“Yes, because everyone knows Jesus loved the rich and hated the poor, just like Republicans.”
Total BS and you know it. There are just as many rich Dems as there are Rich Republicans.
Yes I am sure Jesus would support a party that believes it is the governments role to take care of the poor and to enable the poor to not take any responsibility for their own actions. WRONG.
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2012
12:59 pm
Now that’s funny! This guy was a hoot!! If the Baptist church or any church for that matter, (Catholic, Methodist, etc.); are so worried about homosexuals why don’t they get those in-the-closet-preachers and/or priests out of their churches?!!
This whole thing is just one big crazy lie! They’ll follow someone who’s a child abuser/pedophile/pederast, allow them to stand in their pulpit and “preach/teach the word of Christ”, and afterwards molest their children!
Just one big crazy lie!!
NetBanker
May 23rd, 2012
1:00 pm
Let’s all hope the media continues to focus on this church because the sheeple just love to hate gays and it distracts them from the real problems like our economy is horrible, we’re spending at a rate far higher than they did/do in Greece and that country is financially circling the drain, unemployment rates are falling even though there is little hiring because the labor participation rate is also dropping (i.e. more people are just giving up), and we’re still shoveling money to OPEC as fast as we can. Do you think we can have him preach against abortion once this media storm dies down to continue distracting voters from real issues?
td
May 23rd, 2012
1:01 pm
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
12:58 pm
What did the churches change on the issue of divorce?
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
1:01 pm
“Yes I am sure Jesus would support a party that believes it is the governments role to take care of the poor and to enable the poor to not take any responsibility for their own actions. WRONG”
You need to read your Bible td!!!
The Truth
May 23rd, 2012
1:01 pm
td
I know I am not to question anyones faith but it is hard for me to fathom how anyone can call themself a Christian and a democrat. The two views about the world do not mix.
Well we know that you’re a hypocrite and a false Christian because you’re a Republican. You know the type… the ones that accuse others of sinning, but are caught trying to have homosexual sex in airport mensrooms, the ones that are against adultery, but are caught with prostitutes like David Vitter. You know the type, the ones that call women sluts, but are so addicted to OxyContin that they become borderline deaf because of their drug addiction. You know the type… the ones that start wars that kill innocent women and children because of phony ‘weapons of mass destruction’. How anyone can call themself a Christian and a Republican is beyond comprehension. Either that, or they’re a liar and a hypocrite. You decide…
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
1:01 pm
@td
“Where is the politics?”
The entire statement is rife with politics. That you choose not to see it, does not make it any less so.
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
1:02 pm
“What did the churches change on the issue of divorce?”
Plenty. You need to read your Bible td!
td
May 23rd, 2012
1:03 pm
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2012
12:59 pm
BS. Name a church that practices what you are saying?
LawDawg
May 23rd, 2012
1:03 pm
As we all know, Jesus Christ, like conservative Christians was in favor of making sure the rich paid a lower marginal tax rate than under Clinton and just constantly talked about how much he hated gay people and people who disagreed with him.
Why? What version of the Bible have you been reading? King James was a pro-sodomite socialist, as we all know.
Mark
May 23rd, 2012
1:03 pm
@ The Truth
May 23rd, 2012
1:01 pm
Very well said!
td
May 23rd, 2012
1:05 pm
Look before I leap…
May 23rd, 2012
1:01 pm
So preaching about morals and values should not be done from the pulpit? Talking about how our leaders feel about morals and values should not be talked about from the pulpit? If you think this then what is allowed to be talked about from the pulpit?
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
1:05 pm
td-is a mormon a christian?
Do not know and really do not care
So you are going to vote for someone who may or may not be a Christian?
LawDawg
May 23rd, 2012
1:06 pm
The funny thing is, when was the last time you heard someone like James Dobson or Ted Haggard speak on FoxNews about how important helping the poor is. I am pretty sure Jesus talked a lot more about that than abortion and gay sex. Then again, Jesus Christ has very, very little to do with contemporary Christianity.
Darwin
May 23rd, 2012
1:07 pm
I remember back in the early 60s with the Johnson and Goldwater election. I was very young then and my parents were Goldwater supporters. A young woman told me that Goldwater wanted to put a fence around the US to protect is from outsiders. It sounded so outlandish. Funny how things turned out.
LawDawg
May 23rd, 2012
1:07 pm
Mormons are Christians in the exact same way Muslims are Christians. They believe in Jesus Christ, but in a modified version.
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
1:07 pm
Luke 6:20-21 ‘Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.’
Has been revised, the New Republican Bible says…”Blessed are you who are rich, for yours is the kingdom of God.”
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
1:10 pm
@td
I did not say anything about what should or should not be preached from a pulpit.
I simply pointed out the fallacy that you consistently maintain as fact, that churches and preachers do not engage in politics.
Your comment about Christians and democrats highlights that most effectively.
zeke
May 23rd, 2012
1:10 pm
as someone said before, how many people choose to be gay? they choose to come out of closet, but the ones i have known well enough did not choose to be gay. i think it is genetics, but maybe nurture has something to do with it too. but if we take them at their word and agree they did not choose to be gay, then what? again, as some said previously, who in their right mind would choose to be in a group villified and ridiculed? and all this trouble and travail in the world because someone ate an apple?i believe there is our creator and i try to follow the golden rule, but i am amazed at many of our fellow human beings…of course they are probably amazed at me too.
Jack
May 23rd, 2012
1:14 pm
I suppose Rev Worley and Rev Wright are good buddies. However…
td
May 23rd, 2012
1:15 pm
The Truth
May 23rd, 2012
1:01 pm
I sin daily and fall short of the glory of God. Anyone that tells you otherwise is just a big liar.
The difference is that I know this and try as hard as I can to not sin and then when I do I ask for forgiveness. I know that one day I will have to answer for everyone of my sins and want to minimize the disappointment God will have in my actions.
The real question is will you try to minimize the disappointment or will you stand before God one day and be proud of your behavior?
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
1:15 pm
Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, “You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.” When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.
Has been revised, the New Republican Bible says…”"You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to a job creator, and you will have oatmeal in heaven; then stay away from our glorious churches. For our rich need gold, and diamonds, Tiffany’s credit cards, and car elevators.”
GiGi6
May 23rd, 2012
1:17 pm
@Look before…..
As of matter of fact no I haven’t contacted SBC but that is a wonderful idea! I think I will do just that! However, to say that because I haven’t already then I am part of the problem is stretching it a bit. I haven’t done it because I have been so angry with what he said that I didn’t think about contacting anyone like that. However, I did share it with my Pastor and told him how sick I am over this mans words and how my heart breaks for those that believe that ALL Christians are like that because then they miss the REAL story of my Jesus! I’m not one that makes those kinds of calls to the SBC, but Thank You for making the suggestion! Really!! See, we CAN learn from each other. Christians are still people, they make mistakes and they say some really STUPID things, and many are misguided. Trust me, they WILL stand before God one day and I would hate to be them when God asks them why they are using HIS name in relation to such hatred! (it WON’T be pretty!)
slk
May 23rd, 2012
1:20 pm
The Creator, God…………………is the ONLY JUDGE.
not a human.
What a relief.
Worley…..as anyone else will have to answer to God alone.
td
May 23rd, 2012
1:21 pm
Look before I leap…
May 23rd, 2012
1:05 pm
I vote for someone that may or may not be a question every time I vote.
massachusetts thug
May 23rd, 2012
1:25 pm
look before i leap: So you are going to vote for someone who may or may not be a Christian?
yes. That’s why I’m voting for President Obama.
NetBanker
May 23rd, 2012
1:26 pm
“You can not hold up being Christian at the same time you support the legalization of sin” Interesting perspective and how does that reconcile with the Jesus admonishion to “render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar’s” given that The Consitution with it’s guarantees of freedom and equality are in the civil sphere (i.e. Ceasar’s realm) rather than the church (”render unto God that which is God’s”)? Gay marriage isn’t about forcing religious institutions to marry gay couples, but about legal equality since gays can already have religious ceremonies. I also don’t fully understand Republican objections to marriage equality since the route taken has been laws and consitutional amendments regulating personal, private behaviors which is in direct opposition of their belief in less government and sets precedents for targeting specific minority groups with legal restrictions…watch out fringe Christians…the majority could be gunning for you NEXT.
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
1:26 pm
The call for the isolation and extinction of a segment of society that does not share one’s view of how the world should be has a name in modern history, Naziism. In more recent times it is known as the Islamic state.
Jerome Horwitz
May 23rd, 2012
1:26 pm
Maybe the electric fence should go around Worley’s parsonage and we could helicopter food into him.
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
1:27 pm
Luke 14:12-14 He said also to the one who had invited him, “When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, in case they may invite you in return, and you would be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you, for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.”
Has been revised, theNew Republican version… He said also to the one who had invited him, “When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite the evil poor who seek government handouts, you will never get repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the rich, the privileged, and the white. And you will be blessed, because they can repay you, for you will be repaid by a private equity firm. Do not dine with the stinking poor.”
Anon
May 23rd, 2012
1:29 pm
@melshop… your quote “His real point is that, if you separate them, they can’t exist beyond a generation because they can’t naturally reproduce. “…. so you are saying that Homosexuals can naturally reproduce outside of the concentration camps your reverand is proposing ? Did it ever occur to you that you are heaping ignorance on top of ignorance and hate?
zeke
May 23rd, 2012
1:31 pm
if charlie sheen can come back many times, wouldn’t it be nice to have Jesus come back just for points of clarification?
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
1:38 pm
“wouldn’t it be nice to have Jesus come back just for points of clarification?”
A talking, burning bush on CNN would do far more to convert the wicked than the good Rev Worley.
Instead we get tomatoes with rosaries and potato chips that look like Jesus.
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
1:42 pm
I am thinking that God is looking down and saying:
“I gave these guys free will and what did they do? Went right our and invented religion!
D’oh!”
GiGi6
May 23rd, 2012
1:46 pm
@thebob.bob
Julia
May 23rd, 2012
1:49 pm
Wasn’t it Gandhi who said something to the effect ‘I like your Christ just fine, it is your Christians i have the problem with”
What a compassionate person you are, Get Real. *snark*
NetBanker
May 23rd, 2012
1:51 pm
Why is there still discussion as to whether homosexuality is a choice or genetic? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation
While we can’t point to a sexual orientation gene there are enough studies and evidence (see the link above which mentions numerous ones) to provide that the genetics and physical brain structures of homosexuals are different than heterosexuals. While God and The Bible don’t cover genetics is it fair to declar homosexuality a sin if one is born that way? If yes, how do you reconcile that with God being infallible and all humans are his reflection? Either God intended people to be gay or He isn’t perfect.
Personally I think God intended people to be gay and the real test is how the heterosexuals treat them by living up to the directs of the golden rule and to love others as you love yourself.
sweet
May 23rd, 2012
1:53 pm
My take: Jesus is awesome, christianity is vile.
von
May 23rd, 2012
1:56 pm
Oh look, Jim’s at his “Let’s make everyone hate religions and by religion I mean Christians” antics again! Seriously, with everything going on and THIS is what you chose to roll with? You yourself made it known it’s going viral, the amount of writing you’ve done yourself here is minimal compared to your usual drivel, and most people don’t take this seriously so rabble-rousing can be your only possible motivation here. I am a Christian, I am a republican, and I have ZERO problem with gays, or gays getting married. There are many more out there like me. How about putting some effort into your next one Jimbo? At least your other idiotic editorials had more than a paragraph or two. You should be ashamed to have even put this out there and the AJC should as well.
CBGB
May 23rd, 2012
1:56 pm
I am gay and I know that there are PLENTY of awesome churches that do not judge, do not hate, do not discriminate against and abuse gay people. This “preacher” is not one of those Christians. He represents a teeny tiny minority of so-called Christians who use religion to bash others and distort the Bible to fit their narrow agenda of hatred.. When this man stands before God at the end of his days, I hope he is prepared for the outcome. And if you support this man and his agenda of violence, then you are not a true Christian. And to those churches who work hard to lift people up and respect people no matter who they love, I thank you.
The Truth
May 23rd, 2012
1:56 pm
td
May 23rd, 2012
1:15 pm
The real question is will you try to minimize the disappointment or will you stand before God one day and be proud of your behavior?
I will be proud of my behavior because I don’t have the same ill-conceived concepts that you have of God’s judgement.
The real question is will you try to minimize your hypocricy or will you stand before God one day and be proud to call yourself a Republican OR a Christian. You can’t be both.
GiGi6
May 23rd, 2012
1:58 pm
oops….computer stuck! ANYWAY…..Why is it that you have to believe someone like that and I have to defend my beliefs? MANY preachers and teachers have stepped forward and said good things remaining respectful and I bet you laughed at them. You CHOOSE who you believe and it is, I suppose, more fun to believe the extremist than the TRUTH of any religion. Surely you are more intelligent than that! I don’t believe every single thing even my Pastor tells me. Not because I think he is wrong but because I have a personal relationship with God. I just ask God to lead me in the way HE wants me to go…..not Worley or Wright or any man. I beg of you to not believe that all SBC are extremist…..I for one am NOT! I just love my Lord…..I hate no one…..not even that idiot! I don’t care for him, but I don’t hate him!! (whoever suggested he (worley) be put in the fence with food dropped to him…..good idea!)
zeke
May 23rd, 2012
2:01 pm
von, then why do republicans use it as wedge issue? in fairness, don’t think romney is using it directly, but he probably does not mind it.
sid
May 23rd, 2012
2:01 pm
jesus was gay. he had 12 boyfriend’s.
clyde
May 23rd, 2012
2:12 pm
Someone needs to get a net and harvest the Rev Charlie.
Bobby
May 23rd, 2012
2:22 pm
@TD: I’m a Christian, socialist and homosexual, who served voluntarily in the U.S. Marine Corps during the Vietnam Era. If anyone is leaving the country, pack your bags. Thank you.
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
2:24 pm
Bobby-thank you for your service to our country. And thank you for speaking up to a narrow minded a$$
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
2:28 pm
von-I will ask the same question of you asked of someone else. Have you called or emailed the SBC to express your indignation of this?
Independent voter
May 23rd, 2012
2:35 pm
This pastor need to be charge with Hate Crime…He think just like the republican.
Elizabeth
May 23rd, 2012
2:48 pm
My daughter is a Lesbian, and I am a Christian and the wife of a Methodist minister. Who struggle with this fact every day. I totally disagree with the stance of Rev. Worley.
However… for “Auntie Christ”– you need to remember that there ARE verses in the Bible that condemn homosexuality. Preaching on these verses is NOT preaching politics. Ministers can use any Bible verse they wish. His interpretation may be in question but the fact that this isssue is mentioned in the Bible means that he is NOT straying outside of his realm when he preaches on this subject. If the two overlap, too bad. I might want to tell the politicians to stay out of the realm of religion.
Just wow.
May 23rd, 2012
2:50 pm
More proof that religion, like every other mythology, has no place in modern society. At one time they served to keep the ignorant masses in line, but we have evolved past that type of control ever being effective.
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
2:52 pm
Elizabeth-do you struggle with being married to a “minister” or with being a Christian?
And here you go picking and choosing which bible verses to interpret. how many congregants in your church are divorced, committed adultery, eat bbq and shrimp?
Shame on you.
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
2:54 pm
Just wow-actually religion is still keeping the ignorant masses in line as evidenced by some posters here. Truly frightening.
td
May 23rd, 2012
3:01 pm
It is evident from the post on this blog a lone that it is not Christians that are filled with hate It is the secular humanist that are so full of hate and disdain for religion and Christians that if you breath real hard then you can smell the vile venom they have been spewing.
the cat
May 23rd, 2012
3:14 pm
td-so you are okay with what Worley said? All I need to know about you.
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2012
3:19 pm
td: DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2012
12:59 pm
BS. Name a church that practices what you are saying
New Birth Missionary Baptist (The Good Bishop Eddie Long)
ANY Catholic Church
The Cathedral At Chapel Hill (The Rev. Earl Paulk)
Need any more? I’d be MORE than happy to school you.
td
May 23rd, 2012
3:24 pm
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2012
3:19 pm
Did not the Catholic church spend 3 or 4 years rooting out anyone that messed with children? The other two churches you mentioned are not affiliated with any denomination so I can not speak of what they did or did not do.
Pamela
May 23rd, 2012
3:26 pm
I think that if ANY pastor/priest or what ever tell his or her congregation who they should vote for NEED to pay taxes period! That goes for those small churches too! I am against same-sex marriage, but because President Obama supports it isn’t a reason for me to NOT support him. OBAMA 2012!
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
3:28 pm
@td
Now that’s pretty funny td.
Instead of coming out and denouncing Worley for his decidedly un-American views, you choose to play the Christian persecution card.
Perhaps if the Christian right got out of the hate/condemnation game, those who disagree with them would be less inclined to return the sentiment.
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
3:29 pm
What’s Rev Haggard up to these days?
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2012
3:32 pm
td: Did not the Catholic church spend 3 or 4 years rooting out anyone that messed with children?
Then they have FAILED and need to start over. Recently, as in since last year, there have been more allegations, (Ireland), of priests messing with children.
The other two churches you mentioned are not affiliated with any denomination so I can not speak of what they did or did not do.
One is affiliated with the Baptist the other was affiliated with the Church Of God.
td
May 23rd, 2012
3:32 pm
Pamela
May 23rd, 2012
3:26 pm
You must be an African American woman. You will sacrifice all your morals and values and Obama could do nothing to persuade you from voting for him again. Being black trumps any and all other values in your mind. The SNL skit a month or so ago pegged you 100%.
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
3:35 pm
“Did not the Catholic church spend 3 or 4 years rooting out anyone that messed with children?”
After playing musical parishes with pedophile priests for centuries, do you REALLY believe the Catholic church has rid itself of these animals?
The Catholic church only started to address the problem when billions of dollars started flowing out the diocese doors due to the civil lawsuits. Until that happened, they were quite content to look the other way.
What did I miss?
May 23rd, 2012
3:36 pm
td @ 3:26 –
Oops, there’s that Christian love showing itself again. Must be a different version of the Bible from what I’ve read…
td
May 23rd, 2012
3:36 pm
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2012
3:32 pm
So by following your rules then since the former democratic governor of IL was a corrupt then all Democrats in IL are corrupt?
td
May 23rd, 2012
3:39 pm
What did I miss?
May 23rd, 2012
3:36 pm
td @ 3:26 –
Oops, there’s that Christian love showing itself again. Must be a different version of the Bible from what I’ve read…
So in your interpretation of the bible, Christians are not suppose to say anything that could be conceived as questioning their morals and values?
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
3:39 pm
td, what are your sins?
Mind if we judge your morals?
td
May 23rd, 2012
3:41 pm
Look before I leap…
May 23rd, 2012
3:35 pm
You should have started that statement with “IMO” because you have no facts to back up your statement.
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
3:43 pm
“Christians are not suppose to say anything that could be conceived as questioning their morals and values?”
Christians are not supposed to be in the business of judging others, period.
But many of them seemed to have missed that memo.
td
May 23rd, 2012
3:44 pm
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
3:39 pm
td, what are your sins?
Mind if we judge your morals?
My sins are between me and God and none of your business. If you see me committing a sin and you are a Christian then you are allowed to point that sin out to me and I would have no right to be angry with you for pointing it out.
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2012
3:44 pm
So by following your rules then since the former democratic governor of IL was a corrupt then all Democrats in IL are corrupt?
Honestly td, you must’ve had to do some stretches and limber up before you took that LEAP to justify your position!
What does “All Men Are Created Equal – US Declaration of Independence” and “Illinois Governor is a lying cheat” have to do with one another?
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
3:44 pm
@td
What statement did I make that you feel lacks substance?
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
3:45 pm
“You will sacrifice all your morals and values and Obama could do nothing to persuade you from voting for him again.”
But of course you still get to vote for white Mormon Mitt Romney, don’t you td?
(Btw, here you go again td, you attack people for bringing race into a discussion but have no problem doing it yourself.)
td
May 23rd, 2012
3:46 pm
Look before I leap…
May 23rd, 2012
3:43 pm
Judging and pointing out sins are a huge difference. To Judge means you can take action against and I have not seen many Christians taking personal action against people they believe are sinning, Now it is a Christians duty to point out sin when they see it.
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
3:47 pm
“My sins are between me and God and none of your business.”
You are big hypocrite. What are your sins td? You like to judge people, it’s time for us to judge you, Jesus says so.
td
May 23rd, 2012
3:49 pm
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2012
3:44 pm
Talk about stretching.
“What does “All Men Are Created Equal – US Declaration of Independence” ”
What does homosexuality is a sin have to do with all men are created equal?
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
3:53 pm
“What does homosexuality is a sin have to do with all men are created equal?”
I don’t know, but according to some of my gay friends, all men are NOT created equal.
cp
May 23rd, 2012
3:54 pm
Tax ALL churches. This free ride has got to stop.
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
3:54 pm
“What does homosexuality is a sin have to do with all men are created equal?”
What are your sins td?
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
3:59 pm
“To Judge means you can take action against and I have not seen many Christians taking personal action against people they believe are sinning,”
Are you auditioning for open mic night at The Punchline?
Forget for the moment gay-bashing and bullying, what about the thousands of laws still on the books that criminally proscribe conduct considered offensive to Christians?
Sodomy, fornication, adultery…
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
4:16 pm
“If you see me committing a sin and you are a Christian then you are allowed to point that sin out to me and I would have no right to be angry with you for pointing it out.”
So, a non-Christian has no business pointing out your sins if they witness it?
And if that is so, by what right does a Christian have to go around pointing out the so-called sins of a non-Christian?
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2012
4:29 pm
What does homosexuality is a sin have to do with all men are created equal?
Absolutely NOTHING. One is a biblical belief and the other is part of our US Bill Of Rights.
NetBanker
May 23rd, 2012
4:40 pm
I find opposition to gay marriage in the black comnunity hard to understand because they have lived through overt discrimination and what it means to have laws passed specifically targeting you. That is why it amazes me how quickly they’ll rush to the polls to support laws that discriminate against another minority…which includes other blacks…at the first chance to do so.
I also think Romney is a pragmatist about the whole topic. His religion and being Republican require him to state his position, but I know quite a few Bain employees (a number of whom are gay) who know him personally and don’t see any anti-gay bias. He’s also the only nominee during the debates who stated that while the states have historically defined marriage we need a federal, common understanding because it’s not supportable to have one’s legally married status changing depending on where one is in the country. Can you imagine being married in your home state, not married when you go to visit your parents where they live, and treated as a civil union while on vacation or a business trip?
melshop
May 23rd, 2012
4:43 pm
Carol, You’re right..and I didn’t just Rev. Wright’s comments at face value either. I got what he was saying. What I hate about this video piece is that it is only a part of his sermon so I don’t know what his real message was and the fact that it comes across as hateful – we aren’t going to win anyone over with that tone. For the rest of you, didn’t you read my entire post? I explained his thinking, but didn’t condone it. I stressed that homosexuality is one of many sins and that God loves all of us and sent His Son to forgive all our sins and redeem us. Geez..guess you read only what serves your point of view…kind of like the pot calling the kettle black to me.
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2012
4:44 pm
NetBanker – that’s because some blacks, like td, cling to the parts of the bible that they wish to enforce. However, these same “chritian black people” keep a pedophile like “Bishop” Eddie Long in the pulpit. Justifying it by saying “Only God Knows His Heart”.
They just wish to be duped. Sometimes, religion really IS the opiate of the people.
NetBanker
May 23rd, 2012
5:04 pm
Actually being homosexual or homosexuality isnt’a sin at all…the sex was declared an abomination (from Miriam Webster Dictionary sin: transgression of the law of God
abomination: extreme disgust and hatred : LOATHING).
So if two gays agree never to have sex is there a religious basis to then deny them from marriage equality? I mean the heterosexuals I know who marry hardly have sex once the vows are said.
Does the admonition to “go and sin no more” really apply to abominations? The words in ancient Hebrew and Greek are different for abomination and sin so there is clearly a distinction and Jesus never mentions abominations as I recall…only sins.
melshop
May 23rd, 2012
5:19 pm
NetBanker, I understand your point about abominations vs. sin. However, because God is holy, all sin (including abominations) is viewed as dark before God. The little lie prevents us from entering heaven just as any abomination would. However, Jesus clearly states that He came to forgive all transgressions. If abominations weren’t included, then He wouldn’t be a true Savior, would he, because some wouldn’t be allowed to be saved? When Jesus told the woman to “go and sin no more,” that is a picture of the way our life should be after salvation. If there is no change before and after, then it is probably not real salvation. This is why, when a homosexual is saved, they must repent of their sin and stop doing it. As far as marriage goes, you’ve got two parts: the sacred part and the civil part and the problem with this topic is they tend to get lumped together. God ordains the sacred part, so no, homosexuals cannot marry and consider it acceptable before God. God makes it very clear what marriage is. The civil part becomes a problem because to allow it would not only contribute to an enormous cost and confusion in this country, but would indeed, infringe on the religious rights of those who don’t believe in it for religious reasons. For instance, a Christian employer has a gay employee and, should marriage be legalized, that employer is now forced to provide insurance for the dependent even though he or she disagrees with it. The other big problem is allowing churches to deny wedding ceremonies for a union sanctioned by the government. I suspect lawsuits would come forth quickly on that issue should marriage be given nationwide.
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
5:41 pm
“For instance, a Christian employer has a gay employee and, should marriage be legalized, that employer is now forced to provide insurance for the dependent even though he or she disagrees with it.”
Melshop, your 5:19 has many holes in it. Here’s one, a Christian employer has a Jewish or Muslim employee that gets married in a Mosque or Synagogue, the employer is now forced to give insurance to to the dependent even though he disagrees with it. Lawsuit? LOL.
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
5:48 pm
“For instance, a Christian employer has a gay employee…”
And acts like a Christian and says “Good for you on finding your life mate. May your lives together be blessed with peace and happiness and anything I can do to help, please let me know.”
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
5:53 pm
Uh oh…more bad news for the right wing haters…
“Strong public support for same-sex marriage exceeds strong opposition by a significant margin for the first time in ABC News/Washington Post polls, and African-Americans have moved more in favor, perhaps taking their lead from Barack Obama on the issue.
Overall, 53 percent of Americans say gay marriage should be legal, steady the past year but up from 36 percent in just 2006. Thirty-nine percent “strongly” support it, while 32 percent are strongly opposed – the first time strong sentiment has tilted positive. Six years ago, by contrast, strong views on the issue were negative by a broad 27-point margin….”
http://news.yahoo.com/strong-support-gay-marriage-now-exceeds-strong-opposition-040227742–abc-news-politics.html
jeffrey
May 23rd, 2012
6:13 pm
Is this what we should call the Christian Taliban? Is there anyone who can cite the difference between the beliefs of this buzzard and those of the Afghan Taliban or the German Nazis? The only one I can think of is they have yet to round me up and put me in a concentration camp…….but I am waiting.
honested
May 23rd, 2012
6:16 pm
Look before…….
Now it will really get weird.
Once the sunday preachers and teevee preachers realize they no longer control the voters or the process they will go ballistic.
I sure am glad where my freedom from religion is ensconced in the Constitution!
honested
May 23rd, 2012
6:18 pm
I just had an epiphany.
For those who feel that something beyond reality has instructed and approved their superiority to any given group, I suggest you request an audience with said something beyond reality in which we can all watch and be enlightened.
Once you have made the request, you can all sit quietly and wait for a response from that something beyond reality……..and concurrently leave everyone else alone.
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
6:23 pm
@honested
I am wondering if anyone has checked to see if Pat Robertson’s head has exploded.
melshop
May 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm
@Lookbefore, even mainstream media believe something is weird with those stats because in EVERY state where the issue has come to a vote, it has been defeated by wide margins usually something like 65% to 35%. That was even true in California, which is known for left-wing politics. So, I am not sure how accurate those polls are. It could be the way the question is formed, where they polled etc.
DannyX, Jewish and Muslim people marrying in their house of faith wouldn’t be against any Christian beliefs so I am not sure what your point is in the comparison. My point is that the current atmosphere in this country is that Christians are the only ones allowed to be offended, mocked, or be the subject of intolerance. We must walk on political eggshells for everyone else.
honested
May 23rd, 2012
6:44 pm
melshop,
Lets have some referenda criminalizing religious interference in statecraft.
I thing the results of such a vote would terrify you.
And to your final point, xtians are just ONE of the superstitions that need to accept they are not in charge.
DannyX
May 23rd, 2012
7:03 pm
“My point is that the current atmosphere in this country is that Christians are the only ones allowed to be offended, mocked, or be the subject of intolerance.”
Right, because the subject of this blog was not about a Baptist minister preaching about putting all gays inside an electrified fence. You poor mistreated person.
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
7:23 pm
@should…
Do you have ANY citations to back up any of the stats you quoted?
I can tell you for a fact that the CDC data does not support your conclusions.
Look before I leap...
May 23rd, 2012
7:33 pm
@melshop
“those stats because in EVERY state where the issue has come to a vote, it has been defeated..”
Except for the 6 states and the District of Columbia that have legalized same sex marriage.
Also, it is not clear that you read the entire article which explained that the poll results have shifted dramatically since 2006. Since many of the laws you refer to were passed prior to or around this period, the number of and margins of defeat is not surprising.
Were these votes held today, I suspect the results would be significantly different if not in reversal, then certainly in margin.
melshop
May 23rd, 2012
7:38 pm
honested, are you saying that we, as Christians, do not have the same right as all Americans to express and act on our viewpoints? If so, you have absolutely no idea about the ideals this country was founded upon. And, did you know, it was BAPTISTS that first developed the idea of “separation of church and state?” And that is what Thomas Jefferson was referring to in his letter to Baptists, which was to comfort them amid rumors of the results of a federalist government. It was never intended to silence us as citizens. And to the church haters, are you aware that the Civil Rights movement was born out of a church – Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta? And, are you aware that it was churches all over the South (not all Black either) that sponsored voter registration drives in that ugly part of our history? And, are any of you aware that it was a Christian (William Wilberforce) who started the abolition movement in England? And that it was largely Christians who hid Jews in Nazi Germany? And that it is evangelical Christians who are Israel’s strongest supporters today?
DannyX – I am well aware of what this blog is about. However, what I find the most disdain for is how those opposing the Christian view preach tolerance and love for all when – out of their same mouths – say that Christians are ignorant, should not be allowed to worship, shouldn’t be allowed to live, reproduce etc. I’ve seen it way too many times on similar postings. The most hateful speech comes from either those actively seeking acceptance for a homosexual lifestyle or from atheists. The same would never be allowed regarding other faiths, homosexuals or anyone else.
A couple of other points I haven’t address. Yes, there is a genetic propensity for homosexuality. But there is also a genetic propensity for alcoholism, drug addition, obesity and a number of other things. We, as a society, have no problem finding fault with those things (even though they may only affect the person involved at the time) and we, as a society, have no problem discouraging those behaviors stemming from that genetic propensity. We, as a society, seem to think that people can overcome those problems although it may be difficult. Sexual issues like homosexuality is no different.
The question is whether we, as a society, have determined whether putting a government stamp of approval on homosexuality will have any adverse effect on us as a society. Like it or not, we are created with an inescapable dependence on each other and the actions of one do affect the whole of society so this question becomes very important.
Christians, and I suspect others who aren’t of a particular faith, seem to think according to the voting records that allowing gays to marry would hurt society as a whole. Their reasoning may be based on a religious belief or a political one. It really doesn’t matter which for personal beliefs are an American right and every American have the right to express those beliefs in the voting booth.
melshop
May 23rd, 2012
9:03 pm
@look…5 states didn’t pass legislation out of VOTER approval. It was legislative approval and signed by the governor. In D.C. it was the city council that approved it. In Iowa, it was a court decision that got it. This issue has been defeated in every state where it was put on the ballot..and many of those were in the past two to three years…not way back in 2005 or 2006, although there was frenzy to get a law on the books in several states then. N.C. was last month (61% to 39%). Maine voters repealed the 2009 law legalizing gay marriage in March (53% to 47%). California prop 8 (52% to 48%) was 2008. Florida passed a measure banning it in 2008 (62% to 38%). Arizona was in 2008 with a ban passing (56% to 44%) Here are some articles suggesting that you are wrong about what the public wants.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/05/florida-poll-quarter-of-voters-less-inclined-to-back-124311.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/03/maine-gay-marriage-vote-e_n_344688.html
Mike
May 23rd, 2012
10:00 pm
Well said, well said.
Kenneth Koehn
May 23rd, 2012
11:33 pm
Same old hate and bigotry from the devil.
Kenneth Koehn
May 23rd, 2012
11:34 pm
Same old hate and bigotry from preachers of hate
zeke
May 24th, 2012
7:22 am
melshop, you would not know genetic propensity if it bit you in the ….
Carole
May 24th, 2012
1:05 pm
PB
Why would we not take what this preacher said at “face value”? He said what he said. No sense trying to justify stupid comments by him. If he was tryring to make a point by going “over the top”, his point is lost in his ignorance and mean-ness. Wow, I am amazed that people would defend this guy…
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I am by no means defending this guy. But having grown up in a Pentecostal church (we considered Baptists heathens) I have some experience with methodology. This was not intended for Youtube. It was intended for those whom he knew would give a rousing amen. Who would walk out of there proudly and tell others how their Pastor stands on the Word of God even when it’s not popular…