Gay marriage react good news for Romney in Georgia — but women voters a problem
A new Gallup Poll says a slight majority (54 percent) of American adults continues to say that same-sex relations are morally acceptable:
Public acceptance of gay/lesbian relations as morally acceptable grew slowly but steadily from 38% in 2002 to 56% in 2011 and is now holding at the majority level….
The 63% now saying gay relations should be legal nearly matches the record-high 64% of a year ago, which came after a long-term increase in support for legality from 32% in 1986.
That’s hardly the case in Georgia. A Landmark/RosettaStone poll of 600 likely voters, commissioned by Channel 2 Action News and released as the weekend began, shows that President Barack Obama’s personal endorsement of gay marriage is likely to harden support for presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney in Georgia.
Read the cross tabs here. The automated poll has an MOE of +/- 4 percent. A summary:
– Romney leads Obama, 51 to 40 percent in Georgia. Support largely falls along racial lines, with 80 percent of African-Americans — a level low enough to be worth a question or two — expressing support for Obama and 70 percent of white voters backing Romney.
– But among women voters, Romney’s lead shrinks to 47 to 44 percent – a statistical tie.
– 59 percent would oppose changing Georgia law (and presumably, the state constitution) to permit gay marriage. A plurality of black voters (41 percent) legalization, and a strong majority (71 percent) of white voters would oppose it.
– 55 percent of Obama supporters would favor legalizing gay marriage, and 88 percent of Mitt Romney supporters oppose it.
– 53 percent say they would be less likely to support Obama because of his endorsement of marriage equality; 29 percent said it would make them more likely. But here’s the figure singled out by Landmark’s Mark Rountree:
When voters who are undecided in the presidential election are isolated, 64 percent of these undecided voters say they are “less” likely to vote for Obama because of the issue, while just 8 percent are “more” likely.
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The Washington Times reports that House Republicans are quietly working with the campaign of presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney to fashion a unified approach to health care:
Hill Republicans said coordinating with Mr. Romney, who is the party’s presumptive presidential nominee, boosts the chances that the two sides can avoid clashing over one of the big issues of the fall campaign but it ups the chances that the House GOP will miss its self-imposed June deadline for rolling out its alternative to Mr. Obama’s blueprint.
“From the policy perspective, we can do all these great things, but if [Mr. Romney‘s] not on the same page with us, then that’s a recipe for political disaster,” Rep. Phil Gingrey, Georgia Republican and a medical doctor who sponsored the medical-malpractice reform the House passed in March, [said]. “So, clearly, there has to be some coordination on all of that.”
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As you can see by the sketchy invitation on the right, many details are to be worked for President Barack Obama’s June 26 visit to Atlanta. Word of the visit came over the weekend.
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The Forsyth News reports that the founder of a local tea party organization has announced that he’ll challenge state Sen. Jack Murphy, R-Cumming, in the July 31 primary:
“I didn’t like the things I saw and heard and I decided that I could do a better job and … represent the citizens of this county better,” Steve Voshall said….
“[Murphy] was in the position on the Banking and Financial Institutions Committee to have helped the [bank failure] situation and instead that didn’t happen,” he said. “I think the people in this county are seeing through that now,” he said.
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Andre Walker of Georgia Unfiltered has posted his legal reply to state Democratic political director Rashad Richey, who has sued Walker and another blogger for libel. It’s clear that Walker intends to argue that Richey is a public figure subject to comment and criticism.
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The AJC’s Politifact Georgia today takes a look at this statement made by Vice President Joe Biden when he was in Atlanta last week: “When we took office, let me remind you, there was virtually no international pressure on Iran.”
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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Rafe Hollister
May 14th, 2012
10:19 am
Be interesting to see how few Dem candidates show up to brace our dear leader, Barry Oblamer at his fund raising events. Obviously, he has no chance in Georgia, and is just here to collect the loot.
Look before I leap...
May 14th, 2012
10:25 am
GA’s attitude on gay marriage is irrelevant.
The only thing is whether Obama loses GA by 5 percentage points or 10 percentage points.
GA is simply not in play for Democrats for the general election.
The issue is whether this affects OH, IN, VA, NC and FL significantly.
However, I don’t see this as a major issue. The issue will still be the economy.
Any gay related issues have already been factored into current polling due to the repeal of DADT.
Oblama
May 14th, 2012
10:28 am
Oblama wants to make this election about anything but the economy, jobs and this alarming Fed debt. The Dems are all smoke and mirrors. It’s not going to work. Out of work voters are ticked off and they are not going to take it any more. Oblama’s big government socialism isn’t what voters want and he will find out in the upcoming election. Just say no to OblamaNomics.
Look before I leap...
May 14th, 2012
10:30 am
What’s interesting in the Gallup poll is that 56% of people don’t have a problem with homosexuality from a moral perspective, yet 63% approve of legalizing gay relationships.
7% of folks think it should be legally recognized but don’t think it’s moral.
I don’t know whether to be encouraged by that or scared.
Faeloe
May 14th, 2012
10:30 am
It’s interesting that Obama chose to embrace the Liberal base instead of the African American base. The African American community does not embrace homosexuality. It is well documented in many African American coming out biographies that the family as well as the community abhorred this type of behavior.
I suppose Mr. Obama is more worried about the Liberals in California when he makes endorsements like this.
honested
May 14th, 2012
10:34 am
Now if Georgia voters will accept that the ’50s are over and move FORWARD.
The one clear fact about the past, it’s gone!
Lee Smith
May 14th, 2012
10:35 am
Obama is on the “Down-Lo” I love it. Romney will appreciate it too!!
Frankie
May 14th, 2012
10:36 am
How is it that people can speak for the ENTIRE African American COMMUNUTY and haven’t spoken to a single black person or even know any to speak to them abuot their thoughts or what we embrace…
Lee Smith
May 14th, 2012
10:38 am
Frankie….Al Sharpton does a pretty good job at that haha.
Nope
May 14th, 2012
10:38 am
I do not understand how anyone in the African American community can favor the elimintation of rights for an oppressed group of people. Do they not know that the Bible has been used as the basis for discrimination against THEM? Now they are doing the same to others.
Lee Smith
May 14th, 2012
10:42 am
Obama offered Jeremiah Wright to shut up for $150000. I wonder why?
Faeloe
May 14th, 2012
10:42 am
Nope,
The one main factor is religion over common bonds.
The African American community is majority Baptist. If you think they are preaching homosexual equality from the pulpit then you dont know Baptists very well.
Granted the Baptist Coalition of the South banned Romney over his Mormonism so Obama might just consider the whole area a wash.
UGA 1999
May 14th, 2012
10:43 am
Obama just lost a ton of votes
Wesley T.
May 14th, 2012
10:49 am
It’s funny how contradictory the GOP criticism to Obama on gay marriage has been:
Claim #1–This was a political blunder that will cost him votes.
Claim #2–He only did this because he’s a political opportunist looking for votes.
Um, you can’t have it both ways folks.
David
May 14th, 2012
11:01 am
It won’t matter in Georgia because of it’s become a den for the socially conservative extremists and under-educated who tend to vote against their better interests.
Skipper
May 14th, 2012
11:02 am
It will come back to haunt him. Folks out in public will say anything not to be seen as politically incorrect. However, in the voting booth quite the opposite can occur. Look at North Carolina: several polls had the vote neck-and neck. After the voting, however, it was a butt-whoopin’. The line has to be drawn somewhere, folks! Everybody that cannot do WHATEVER they want claims to be a discriminated-against-group! Next, the Left-handed one-eyed Ethiopian co-pilots group will want special recognition!
UGA 1999
May 14th, 2012
11:03 am
Romney 2012 has already won the election.
Faeloe
May 14th, 2012
11:04 am
Wesley,
I know its hard to grasp but if you gain votes from one side you generally lose votes from the other.
Political Science 101.
Faeloe
May 14th, 2012
11:07 am
Respect the views of the side opposite of yours and a person becomes a conservative extremist? Isnt that the pot calling the kettle black?
double
May 14th, 2012
11:10 am
Obama says it’s the states call to approve/not approve gay marriage.As for his personal thinking ok.
Look before I leap...
May 14th, 2012
11:14 am
Obama can mitigate the effect of endorsing gay marriage by stating that while he personally believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman (which he has already stated), his personal beliefs take a back seat to what is fair for all citizens of the United States.
Actually the whole silly issue can be resolved quite simply.
Acknowledge that there is a civil and a religious component to marriage.
Right now, whether you get married in a church or a hot air balloon, you still have to get a marriage license and certificate from a state agency.
Let the churches recognize or refuse to recognize same sex marriages as they see fit.
This will force the naysayers to defend banning same sex marriage by defining how society in general is harmed to the point where it outweighs the right of all US citizens to being treated equally in the eyes of the law completely outside the context of religion.
Class of '98
May 14th, 2012
11:16 am
Remember Jim, someone’s “opinion” on how they feel about gay marriage when recieving a pollster phone call is often different from the moral convictions they ultimately vote on in the booth.
The “slight” majority found by this Gallup poll always turns into a landslide whenever it is voted on.
Yes, there is a silent majority.
Look before I leap...
May 14th, 2012
11:26 am
“I know its hard to grasp but if you gain votes from one side you generally lose votes from the other.
Political Science 101″
Maybe in 5th grade son.
In higher learning institutions they talk about the independents and the undecideds. Which is where most elections are won or lost.
Folks who would have voted for Obama but are turned off by his support for gay marriage are NOT gonna vote for Romney. They may stay home though.
In the same vein, folks who lean conservative who have issues with Romney’s Mormonism are not going to pull a lever for Obama. They will likely stay home as well.
In a way, this may be a pretty interesting political calculation from the Obama camp. They are getting the issue of religion into the conversation through the backdoor. The folks who strongly object to the gay issues based on religious beliefs are going to have confront their discomfort with Romney’s Mormonism. This may not be about attracting votes to the Obama side, but depressing enthusiasm for Romney.
Weetamoe
May 14th, 2012
11:51 am
I don’t care who comprises the wedding party, but I do care that the president of the US is the most divisive ever to hold the office.. Either his *Dreams of…* book was on the NYT best seller list because supporters bought pallet loads and never read it or the majority who purchased it are illiterate, because now that more of us are actually reading it, we discover that the content offers irrefutable proof that Obama is virulent racist.
GaBlue
May 14th, 2012
11:58 am
ATTENTION STRAIGHT LADIES:
Really and truly, it’s better that gay men love and marry each other, than to pretend to love, and actually marry, you. Seriously. How many people brought up in an intolerant religious atmosphere (Faeloe @ 10:30) choose to keep their standing in their communities and neighborhoods and families by playing a role they cannot sustain?
Want to see what an UNHAPPY WOMAN looks like? Look at the face of the wife who gets no lovin’, because her husband is just pretending, because everyone is brainwashed into thinking being gay is the worst thing in the world.
Look into her eyes. Is it worth it?
Jack in Sandy Springs
May 14th, 2012
12:12 pm
Romney is so out of touch, just listen to the language he uses, he is stuck in the 50’s. “Hijinks” and “scare the dickens” are two of his latest expressions. The guy is not normal – he doesn’t cuss, drink alcohol or caffeinated beverages, eat chocolate, and belittles military service. He clearly views women as subservient and is a leader in a church that far from mainstream. His views on foreign policy are out of date (Russia our #1 adversary, really MItt?) and show he is poorly informed about the world.
Sister Sarah
May 14th, 2012
12:28 pm
I will just put it this way. When someone has been made to drink from a separate water fountain, enter and dine in the back of restaurants, denied hotel accomodations, the right to vote, equal access to employment/ education, economic opportunity and all of that because they are gay, THEN tell me how they are “oppressed”. Until then, spare me all that yang about this being a civil rights issue. The only issue is that they want to have licensed marriage. I’m sure the ONLY competing argument of one time interracial marriage challenges would come up, but then again it goes to the heart of whether being gay is a choice or not. I happen to believe it is, simply because of the way people swing in an out of sexuality. You are born with the color of your skin. I’m sure the advocates will now toss the “hatred” and “homophobic” thing around now. Go right ahead. I don’t fear or hate gays. Just do not embrace the lifestyle choice – my prerogative.
WOW
May 14th, 2012
12:28 pm
Anyone that’s vote will be decided by this issue was already going to vote against Obama.
Censored
May 14th, 2012
12:40 pm
Men voters are an EQUAL problem for Obama, but not reported by the liberal media.
Galloway and I had an interesting exchange this morning when I first posted the above – he didn’t care for it, and censored it. Had to change my ISP address to get past him for a while. I can’t use my normal screen name (you know who I am) today.
I agree that the gay marriage issue is not important enough to sway many votes. Voters already knew Obama is an incumbent liberal, and Romney is a moderate.
honested
May 14th, 2012
12:47 pm
WOW
And that’s the truth!
DannyX
May 14th, 2012
12:52 pm
“Until then, spare me all that yang about this being a civil rights issue.”
Blacks do not own “civil rights” just because of the horrible treatment they received in this country. Civil rights are not a contest. Gays have their own issues. I for one will speak up for blacks, gays, hispanics, jews, women, Muslims, Christians, red heads, whites, fat people, heck even Republicans on issues of civil rights. Civil rights are not a commodity.
Joesph Lowery has it right. Yes blacks have had it bad, and despite the fact that he has his own personal issues with gays he thinks they deserve the same rights and respect as everyone else.
Al Sharpton said “We are glad that President Obama has joined Dr. Joseph Lowery, Dr. Julian Bond and so many others in full embrace of equality for gay and lesbian individuals in our country. We also welcome the civil debate on this issue that will surely spring. And we encourage all individuals to keep all issues of import to our communities in mind in the days ahead, and we seek to secure equal justice, opportunity and dignity for all God’s children.”
Yes so “many others,” including John Lewis and the late Coretta Scott King.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
May 14th, 2012
12:56 pm
And once again the Republicans go for the stupider argument.
Dirty Dawg
May 14th, 2012
1:00 pm
WOW’s right, this won’t mean a tinker’s damn about the ultimate outcome in Georgia…after all this state has been a lost cause for, seemingly, forever but certainly since ‘we/they’ allowed the ‘02 election to be stolen, a good man and a fine Senator to be ’swiftboated’ by Chambliss and an effective, hard-working, progressive Governer replaced by an idiot peckerwood like Sonny Perdue. I won’t call you folks names because no single ‘label’ suffices…just know that ‘we’ know that you’re driven by greed and bigotry regardless of the ‘minority’ in question and that your greatest fear is that once ‘you’ become a minority that those in the majority will treat you the way you’ve treated them…and as one that has been in the ‘majority’ for all these years, count me among those that are afraid that your bigotry and greed will, in the end, get us all.
As for contributing to Obama…sure, it won’t matter in Georgia but it might someplace else and in enough states that your ‘party’ will fail to win any damn thing…frankly it’s the only hope for true ‘equality’ in the country where that’s, equality, is the first of those things that we, supposedly, hold as ’self-evident’.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
May 14th, 2012
1:05 pm
Here is what I do know. When you can intimidate a major metropolitican newspaper to the point that they make commenting on a certain subject that shall not be named in any way due to the settings of the comment forum because they are afraid of being targeted, the origin of such an attack should be able to be attacked by the public at large.
Such is the folly of our system.
Interesting experiment: One of the stories mentioned above is locked at a word level from being mentioned in any way. Words you’d normally never associate. Try it. You’ll be amazed.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
May 14th, 2012
1:09 pm
AJC = American Journalistic Cowards
Americans Just Can’t
Amazingly Jerkish Commentfilters
Aaron Burr V Mexico
May 14th, 2012
1:10 pm
http://www.freejokes.ca/JokeTopic/Cowards.html
Jack
May 14th, 2012
1:10 pm
Black folks are going to vote for Obama regardless of what he says or believes: his support of gay marriage ain’t gonna change nothing.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
May 14th, 2012
1:13 pm
I’d say substitute “Jim” with “Robin” every time you hear it here, but something tells me it isn’t really Jim’s fault in this instance.
Instead we’ll blame Pointy Haired Boss X who thinks he knows how to run a newspaper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZwuTo7zKM8
clyde
May 14th, 2012
1:22 pm
Strangely enough I’m not morally opposed to gay marriage,I’m just opposed to it on the grounds that it looks stupid.
BADA BING
May 14th, 2012
1:28 pm
I heard that the White House is going to be repainted in Eggshell, maybe Ecru.
East Lake Ira
May 14th, 2012
1:32 pm
How many Great-Grandmothers does Mittens have?
I had four.
One of his Great-Grandfathers had five wives so…
Is Ann the only wife?
How can we really know?
Newt Limbaugh
May 14th, 2012
1:33 pm
How dare Obama declare war on marriage. We stand for the sanctity of marriage. One man, one woman, one time. No exceptions!
Look before I leap...
May 14th, 2012
1:40 pm
@Sister Sarah
You hold a pretty provincial attitude when it comes to the term civil rights.
I don’t think you are a hater or homophobic, I think you are ignorant when it comes homosexuality.
There is considerable science to back up the claim that there is a genetic component to being gay.
That there is a spectrum to sexual preference is part of human nature. Just as some people can take or leave strawberry ice cream while others abhor and yet others crave means there are rarely absolutes when it comes to being human.
Gays have been denied housing, jobs and access to medical care for decades. They have been beaten and killed for simply being gay. So spare me the back of the bus history lesson.
When a society can suppress the most basic rights of a segment of its citizens simply because they are uncomfortable with how they prefer to live their lives and that preference in no way impinges upon the rights of others, then that society cannot in good conscience consider itself a just and fair and free society.
Look before I leap...
May 14th, 2012
1:42 pm
“Strangely enough I’m not morally opposed to gay marriage,I’m just opposed to it on the grounds that it looks stupid.”
No more stupid than a 50 year old woman making her 5th trip down the aisle wearing white.
Or a 70 year dude with a 24 year old bride.
Sister Sarah
May 14th, 2012
1:47 pm
@Danny X
You are absolutely correct, civil rights is NOT a “contest”. That is exactly this entire gay agenda need not be loosely linked to or equated to the “civil rights” sought by Blacks, which were simply to be accepted as human and as such have basic HUMAN rights..This particular issue is a single issue – government sanctioned same sex marriage. It just appears that we try to blur the lines to advance the agenda, and it just isn’t the same. Gays and the gay agenda are extremely powerful and influential in this country. They flourish educationally, financially and professionally on the whole. Commit a crime against a gay person, see what happens. Conversely, commit a crime against a Black person, see what happens. Hey, be with whom you desire. I am all for civil unions, domestic partnerships and the like. I also think though that they should be tweaked so that they are more comprehensive. Hardly “oppressed” though, that’s all I’m saying.
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will crush the heads of the perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions
May 14th, 2012
1:54 pm
Jim Galloway, please say it aint so. Is Obama visiting Atlanta again? It should be evident by now that the “man” has too much perverted negative energy e.g. anti-God, anti Constitution, anti-American, abortion, integration, gay marriage, etc under the guise of progress. And because of it, he should stay the hell out of Georgia.
According to Hosea Williams, Rudolf Giuliani and other mayors chased “intelligent” blacks etc out of New York City and the north in general to the Peach State and the south specifically. As a result, everything decent in the south has continued to go downhill under the banner of progress.
Obama should go to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Egypt, or perhaps of his place of birth, Kenya with that negative energy. If my memory serves me correctly, the last man who decided to entertain it continues to reap what he sowed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X6pFg0Lf4s&feature=related
Amen?
Sister Sarah
May 14th, 2012
1:57 pm
@LBiL
“Gays have been denied housing, jobs and access to medical care for decades. They have been beaten and killed for simply being gay. So spare me the back of the bus history lesson.”
So have Irish, and Italians, etc. Jewish, Black, duh. Your point??? And I say that because if you are attempting to use THAT to support an argument for same sex marriage, you deep six the entire argument. Please explain to me how ANY of the above are corrected by legalizing same sex marriage? Not only that but does someone walk into an emergency room or job interview wearing a sign or their forehead saying “I’m gay”?? I mean,,, I get it. There is an agenda to be pushed. I just like to cut through the bs. Finally, I can tell you there is a psychology associated with it as well, and I can detail MANY conversations had with family members and other associates regarding this thing, and what helped to influence their choices of lifestyle. Let’s not pretend.
Look before I leap...
May 14th, 2012
2:00 pm
“Conversely, commit a crime against a Black person,”
Hogwash.
Trayvon Martin
Rodney King
James Craig Anderson
Emmit Till
James Byrd
It does not get ignored.
What is sad to me is that black on black crime does seem to rate much lower on the national newsworthy scale.
Look before I leap...
May 14th, 2012
2:06 pm
“So have Irish, and Italians, etc. Jewish, Black, duh. Your point???”
Total deflection and yet you make my point for me.
We cannot deny basic rights to ANYONE based on prejudice.
The Irish, Italian and Jews have never had their marriage rights restricted by law in this country.
Blacks were not free to marry outside their race in all 50 states until 1967.
Now if you want to argue that marriage is a not a fundamental right in this country, at least have the intellectual honesty to say so.
Look before I leap...
May 14th, 2012
2:10 pm
“Finally, I can tell you there is a psychology associated with it as well, and I can detail MANY conversations had with family members and other associates regarding this thing”
And I can cite just as many anecdotal conversations with friends and family where they state they have always known they were gay and living a heterosexual lifestyle was never an option.
Your evidence lack meaning and weight.
Aquagirl
May 14th, 2012
2:11 pm
civil rights is NOT a “contest”. That is exactly this entire gay agenda need not be loosely linked to or equated to the “civil rights” sought by Blacks, which were simply to be accepted as human and as such have basic HUMAN rights.
The term “civil rights” does not belong to the descendants of slaves in this country. It applies to anyone seeking equal treatment under the law. That’s what gay people are doing. If they are comparing it to anyone else’s struggle for equal rights, the normal response would be empathy and support, not searching for your bigger victim card and crying “waaaahhhhhh…we copyrighted the term Civil Rights!”
If you are under 45 and African American, you have experienced more equal treatment under the law than gay people. So please quit acting like a dog hovering over the civil rights bone. It’s not yours by inheritance or any other measure.
Listen Up!
May 14th, 2012
2:34 pm
I think most people see marriage solely as a religious institution. At a time in history, that is all it was for African Americans because we could not legally get married. The reality is, marriage is sometime religious and spiritual, but all the time legal. You can marry in the biggest cathedral on the planet, but if you don’t send the license to the clerks office, it is not legally recognized. We don’t disallow atheist the opportunity to get married. It is recognized by any and everyone who comes in contact with them. There is no difference here. Same sex couples want the legal recognition of their union. The religious or spiritual aspect is not for us to decide!
Dandy Don Merry Dith
May 14th, 2012
2:50 pm
what’s the big freakin deal? Seriously people, how are gays getting married hurting “society”? Who ever thought and/or believes that marriage is a moral/religious issue?
Marriage is NOT a religious issue – it’s a legal contract. If marriage was a “religious issue” then you could just go to your local preacher/pastor and get a divorce; instead of going through the courts.
A Ghast
May 14th, 2012
2:51 pm
Results are based on telephone interviews conducted May 3-5, 2012 with a random sample of –1,024—adults, aged 18+, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia.
For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the margin of error is ±4 percentage points.
For results based on the sample of –534—national adults in Form A and –490—national adults in Form B, the maximum margins of sampling error are ±5 percentage points.
Interviews are conducted with respondents on landline telephones and cellular phones, with interviews conducted in Spanish for respondents who are primarily Spanish-speaking. Each sample includes a minimum quota of 400 cell phone respondents and 600 landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas among landline respondents by region. Landline numbers are chosen at random among listed telephone numbers, cell phone numbers are selected using random-digit dial methods. Landline respondents are chosen at random within each household on the basis of which member had the most recent birthday.
Samples are weighted by gender, age, race, Hispanic ethnicity, education, region, adults in the household, and phone status (cell phone only/landline only/both, having an unlisted landline number, and being cell phone mostly). Demographic weighting targets are based on the March 2011 Current Population Survey figures for the age 18+ non-institutionalized population living in U.S. telephone households. All reported margins of sampling error include the computed design effects for weighting and sample design.
In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.
Dandy Don Merry Dith
May 14th, 2012
2:54 pm
If you are under 45 and African American, you have experienced more equal treatment under the law than gay people. So please quit acting like a dog hovering over the civil rights bone. It’s not yours by inheritance or any other measure
AG – until everyone is treated equally, (as is our right given to us by our constitution which states “We hold these truths to be self evident that ALL men are created equal”), then NO ONE HAS CIVIL RIGHTS. Think about it — yesterday/today it’s blacks, today it’s gays, today it’s women, tomorrow it’ll be little old men with big noses. It’ll never end – it’s just change its stripes.
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will crush the heads of the perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions
May 14th, 2012
2:54 pm
Listen up everyone. If we accept the notion that men can marry men and women marry women, then we should stomach the notion of men marrying boys and women marrying girls. The perversion is exactly the same.
Be careful with your response. A trap has been set for you.
Amen?
Libertarian
May 14th, 2012
2:59 pm
Vote Libertarian and get government out of the marriage business period.Marriage is a contract pure and simple just like prostitution. Governments only role is to enforce the terms of the contract such as a prenuptial agreement. Marriage licenses are just plain nonsense as they are simply a way for government to plunder more of our money to waste on failed social programs. We should seperate marriage and state!
Aaron Burr V Mexico
May 14th, 2012
3:00 pm
First of all Ghasty, I made my saving throw at your feeble confusion spell [http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/ghoul.htm]
Second, when posting the details of a poll, you might want to post THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IE THE RESULTS! LOL
Typical contard, so busy to copy and paste that he didn’t even check to see what the result was when he did it.
Which of course tells ME that A Ghast actually meant to say that the majority by a 95% margin support Gay Civil Rights.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
May 14th, 2012
3:02 pm
@Our Name Is a Dreary Sound Unto The Lord For It Is Long And Makes People Snore –
I made my check traps roll that your friend Ghast set up.
I’ll take your trap and reverse it.
If we accept the notion that people without empathy should be able to vote, then we should abolish the laws that keep murders and rapists in prison. The perversion is exactly the same.
Be careful in your response. I THINK I AM SUPER CLEVER. HINT HINT HINT. I AM TRYING TO TRICK YOU. HINT.
Duh?
Aquagirl
May 14th, 2012
3:09 pm
Typical contard, so busy to copy and paste that he didn’t even check to see what the result was when he did it.
lol. Teh Interwebz: making dumb people dumber, one cut ‘n paste at a time.
Look before I leap...
May 14th, 2012
3:21 pm
OLAS
Yeah then we can marry pigs and stuffed animals and our bongs.
That argument is tired and well-debunked and not worthy of discussion – which come to think of it, is probably why you posted it in the first place.
Trap my *ss.
But thanks for the laugh, even obvious stupidity has its place in the world of humor (think WWE).
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will crush the heads of the perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions
May 14th, 2012
3:22 pm
That’s a good example of avoiding a response… Instead of reversing what I said, you perverted it just like criminals do. Not one sane person has said that people without empathy should not be allowed to vote? How stupid can you be?
On the other hand, the vast majority of people said that men should not be allowed to marry men and women should not be allowed to marry women.
Comparing apples to horses and oranges to water is a good way to avoid responding.
Amen?
Look before I leap...
May 14th, 2012
3:27 pm
@OLAS
2 words son, “consenting adult”.
Ball is in your court sir.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
May 14th, 2012
3:34 pm
Our Opinion Of Ourself Is Lofty And We Must Question Who Is The Servant of the Devil
Fine. Here is a response. Your question is contarded. You are contarded. Your entire philosophy is contarded. Only a contard would argue something so dumb. Only a contard doesn’t understand the age of a citizens consent, and only a contard would deliberately answer a question specifically set up to be a trap.
You are contardedly contarded contard who wants to marry and spawn more contards.
*I* am a criminal for having different views than you contard? Well then I might as well go full out criminal. Post your address so I can sent it to my criminal buddies and send them to ‘tax’ you. Or just report you to the IRS which you’ve probably cheated 9 ways to sunday.
On the other hand, the ‘vast majority’ of people says that men can’t marry men? This ‘vast majority’ is, in fact, a minority contard, but even if we accepted your magical contard reality in which contards constituted the majority population of the land, it would still be wrong to give people without empathy the right to vote because they are monsters.
So if I’m a criminal, you’re a monster contard.
And comparing apples to penguins and water to seventeen impossible things before breakfast is your stock and trade contard.
Contard.
Duh?
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will crush the heads of the perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions
May 14th, 2012
3:42 pm
As perverted as Aaron Burr V Mexico is, he refused to respond to me thereby avoiding the trap. But Look before…fell headlong into it.
If states are perverted enough to allow men to marry men and women marry women, they are perverted enough to allow men to marry boys and women to marry girls.
If two words is the impediment to supporting this perversion, simply have the general assembly pass legislation to define consenting adults as persons reaching puberty not younger than 11 years old. And with a nod and a wink we have consenting adults.
Amen?
Carole
May 14th, 2012
3:46 pm
Rafe Hollister
Be interesting to see how few Dem candidates show up to brace our dear leader, Barry Oblamer at his fund raising events. Obviously, he has no chance in Georgia, and is just here to collect the loot
+++++++
It sure will be. Let’s see last month people lined the street for all three of the stops he made. I guess he did so poorly then that he had to make a second round–NOT.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
May 14th, 2012
3:49 pm
Our Name Is Stupid And We Thinks We Are Clever, We Serves Our Master Sauron, Gollup
Someone read a sunday school lesson and thinks he’s an Apostle.
And I fell headlong into it after avoiding it to show how much of a hypocritical contard you are.
First of all, you try to side step MY point by using the word ‘perverted’ but your basis of pervesion is THE BIBLE whereas mine is THE CONSTITUTION.
Second of all, disgusting contard, your logic is circular. You are supporting your argument by saying ‘If you are arguing X, then they will do Y as well because I said so.’ which is a typically contarded response.
And, guess what contard, technically the legislature CAN legally declare the age of consent as 11, but we, as a society, decided that having fully mature brains (ie biology ie the demon science) at the age of 18 and 21 (for alchohol) is somehow the magic number to determine the age of consent.
Now is this arbitrary? Sure it is. That we allow biological age but still don’t test for a lack of empathy (or ‘demonic taint’ in your lingo) is indeed a perversion of that which is good.
People like you should not be allowed to vote, but as a society, we still allow it. So mote it be.
Can society say that 11 year olds can be consenting adults?
Sure they can.
Now, are they likely to DO SO contard? No.
Are you listening to this contard? No.
But are you showing that you are not a thinking being capable of having a discussion? Yes!
Is this a civil conversation of the kind that ‘Centrism’ likes to have? No.
I am indeed a name caller.
Because emotional memory LASTS. Lofty intellectual argument flies over the head of most people.
Because most Slines are only barely more intelligent than you.
Duh?
Aaron Burr V Mexico
May 14th, 2012
3:52 pm
@Carole Tourettes – I think we can honestly say that anyone with an IQ higher than Our Lord And Sayer would be wise to avoid this state As Much as Possible.
Obama coming here less is a statement of his intelligence, not against.
Sister Sarah
May 14th, 2012
3:54 pm
I don’t engage in deflection, sorry. I said what I said specifically to shoot holes in your argument, and that is that the issue of gay marriage solves the problem of being of supposedly being denied a job or housing because of one’s sexuality. When you go into a job interiew you go in as an INDIVIDUAL, not with your marriage partner (homo OR hetero for that matter). Sure you can cite those individuals who make that claim. So can I. The point is….with some it IS a CONSCIOUS CHOICE and along with that comes the dilemma. We can debate this until blue in the face. Won’t change the facts or history. Hey, it’s YOUR battle. Fight it. It’s just my job to ensure my children know that a mans butt is not intended for another man’s sexual appendage to be in it, nor is a woman’s pelvic area intended to be sexed by another woman’s. THAT’S all there is to it – against YOUR “agenda”. No religious basis (because I am not very religious), that’s just Biology, since we like to talk “Science” so much. You play your position, I play mine. Deuces.
Carole
May 14th, 2012
4:00 pm
It’s really interesting because the tables are turned fromt he 2004 election. I remember some of my “Christian” friends going on and on about voting for GWB because of a stance against same-sex marriage. They were all for not allowing it to happen. I told them then as I am telling people now–I’m not voting for a Pastor of the United States, I’m voting for a President.
The POTUS made it clear that this was his personal opinion. He has also said that this is an issue that should be dealt with at the state level. Although Repub presidential candidates go on and on about how horrible abortion is, not ONE has ever used the power of his office to change Roe v Wade. I don’t expect President Obama to make any moves towards changing law about gays marrying either.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
May 14th, 2012
4:03 pm
@Sister Palin – Well said. You are entitled, until we decide to take it away, to vote whatever selfish warped and hurtful things you wish and teach your children such as well.
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will crush the heads of the perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions
May 14th, 2012
4:03 pm
Check it out for yourself.…V Mexico said, Can society say that 11 year olds can be consenting Adults? Sure they can. Now, are they likely to do so? No
My response to the perversion of …V Mexico is can society say that women can marry women and men can marry men? Sure they can. Now are they likely to do so? No.
Y’all feel me?
Amen?
Look before I leap...
May 14th, 2012
4:03 pm
@Sister Sarah
If you are not deflecting, then you are being intentionally obtuse.
Correct me if I am wrong:
Your argument against gay marriage is that homosexuality is a choice and goes against human biology?
Look before I leap...
May 14th, 2012
4:06 pm
“Sure they can. Now are they likely to do so? No.”
The results of the national Gallup poll do not support this assertion.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
May 14th, 2012
4:09 pm
@Our Mind Is Scrambled By Our Really Long Name And By the Way We Are Totally Racist
Paul said that it is best to teach in the language of the person to whom you speak but if you are so caught up in being right and clever word play that you’re not listening, are you serving God or Satan?
I said what I said. What I said is right.
Society is unlikely to move the age of consent that low.
Society has the power to do whatever it wants unless God is going to send Angels with Machine Guns to enforce the law.
That does not make what society does RIGHT, it just means it CAN.
It is not RIGHT for the age of consent to be 11 because 11 year olds are dumb.
It is not RIGHT that you are allowed to vote, because you are dumb.
But society does not always do what is right.
Ya’all feel him up?
Duh?
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will crush the heads of the perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions
May 14th, 2012
4:10 pm
We already have several states, 11, supporting this perversion, gay marriage.
I willing to bet if the right amount pressure is applied, many states will support men marrying boys and women marrying girls.
Amen?
Aaron Burr V Mexico
May 14th, 2012
4:10 pm
@Look Before You Meep – Were you paying attention contard?
I said society is not likely to make the age of consent 11.
I did not say society is not likely to enact Gay Marriage.
The latter WILL happen.
The former WON’T happen.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
May 14th, 2012
4:13 pm
@Our Lord And Savior Smites Those Without Good In Their Hearts Who Have So Little Faith in Their Name That They Do Not Trust Him To Teach Others By Example And Instead Use The Sword Wow You Are Still Reading? By The Way Notice The Black Minions Part At The End Of My Name I Am A Total Racist And I Wear Linen On Weekends On My Head
I’m willing to disagree there contard. And I’m willing you can’t even find a brietbart or fox news shred of proof to say otherwise.
Duh?
Dandy Don Merry Dith
May 14th, 2012
4:54 pm
You need to know your history Man With Long Name – the age of consent in America was at one time as low as 9 and today is as high as 17:
The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example, Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams. Sir Edward Coke (England, 17th century) “made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband’s estate was 9 even though her husband be only four years old.”[4]
In the United States, by the 1880s, most states set the age of consent at 10–12, and in one state, Delaware, the age of consent was only 7. A New York Times article states that it was still aged 7 in Delaware in 1895.[7] Female reformers and advocates of social purity initiated a campaign in 1885 to petition legislators to raise the legal age of consent to at least 16, with the ultimate goal to raise the age to 18. The campaign was successful, with almost all states raised the age of consent to 16–18 by 1920.
See what you learn when you read? Fear is nothing more than stupidity dressed as a cheap hookER.
Aquagirl
May 14th, 2012
4:56 pm
It’s just my job to ensure my children know that a mans butt is not intended for another man’s sexual appendage to be in it, nor is a woman’s pelvic area intended to be sexed by another woman’s.
Yeah, that so totally works, ask Sadie Fields.
Kids are not pizzas, you don’t get what you order. You get what’s handed to you. The black church and community have invested endless effort in disseminating a message like yours. The result is a community ravaged by AIDS. Congratulations. Mission accomplished.
Bigotry and hate have consequences.
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will crush the heads of the perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions
May 14th, 2012
7:57 pm
Check out post 4:54pm. In no uncertain terms, he is saying that it’s normal or acceptable in his eyes for a man to marry a 7 year old girl and presumably for a man to marry a 7 year old boy because it was done 2 hundred or so years ago.
And post 4:56pm is saying that because African Americans have not supported man boy and woman girl dalliances etc in the past, it equates to bigotry and hatred which has caused AIDS to ravish our community.
Jim Galloway, you know that’s nothing but uncut perversion and the height of insanity.
Amen?
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will crush the heads of the perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions
May 14th, 2012
8:14 pm
I’m sorry Jim Galloway. But it brings out the worst in me when perverts attempt to push their perversion on other adults and our children understand the guise of progressiveness and intellectualism.
Amen?
Frankie
May 15th, 2012
1:07 pm
yeah it is amazing to me that the catholic church even dared to open its mouth, talkig about morality…when will the morality police arrest all those involved in molesting catholic alter boys….
I guess being a morman is cool…even the reivsed edition of mormanism…
As far as Newt….he better not say a word with his wife and girl friend living in the ssame house at the same time…alla …hell you can even have jon edwards…he is following in your republican footsteps…..lol