Water pistols to be banned during RNC in Tampa — but not real ones

From the Associated Press:

TAMPA, Fla. — Florida Gov. Rick Scott has rejected a request from the Tampa mayor to prohibit the carrying of guns in downtown during the Republican National Convention this summer because it would infringe upon “sacred constitutional traditions,” according to a letter released Wednesday.

Concerned about the politically charged atmosphere on the streets outside the convention hall, Mayor Bob Buckhorn wrote to Scott Tuesday asking for an executive order that would temporarily override state laws allowing people with concealed weapons permits to transport firearms downtown.

The Republican governor fired off a letter to Buckhorn later Tuesday, denying the request in no uncertain terms. Scott said banning firearms in downtown Tampa would infringe on citizens’ constitutionally protected rights to legally arm themselves.

Scott wrote that while he shared Buckhorn’s concern about violent anti-government protests and other civil unrest, “it is unclear how disarming law-abiding citizens would better protect them from the dangers and threats posed by those who would flout the law.”

“It is at just such times that the constitutional right to self-defense is most precious and must be protected from government overreach,” Scott wrote. “I am confident the many federal, state and local law enforcement agencies focused on the RNC will fully protect Floridians and visitors, without the need to resort to sweeping infringements on our most sacred constitutional traditions.”

Buckhorn, a Democrat, told reporters Wednesday he was disappointed but not surprised.

“I believe that there is no reason to have a concealed firearm in downtown Tampa that week,” Buckhorn said in a statement. “And, to be clear, I am far less concerned with those who have concealed weapons permits than the ones who may somehow acquire a weapon and use it to create mayhem … These are extenuating circumstances and should be treated as such.”

Scott, who was elected with tea party support and endorsed by the National Rifle Association, has been clear about his stand against any gun-control efforts. One of the bills he signed into law after this year’s legislative session prevents doctors from asking patients about gun ownership. Doctors had urged a veto, contending that it would violate the doctor-patient relationship.

For the convention, Tampa city leaders have already proposed a host of banned items (lumber, hatchets, gas masks, chains and “super soaker” water cannons) — but they are prevented from outlawing concealed guns. Buckhorn had said the state law has made the city “look silly,” particularly because officials can ban water guns but not real ones.

Tampa wants to ban those items within a wide “Event Zone,” which includes a protest area with portable toilets, water, a stage and a microphone for protesters. Outside that area, people will be allowed to march down an official parade route as long as they have a permit. The exact location of the protest zones and security perimeter will be decided later.

Members of a group called the Coalition to March on the RNC said they plan to speak out against the limitations at a Tampa City Council meeting Thursday.

The guns issue is more complicated in Charlotte, host city for the Democratic National Convention. The city in January adopted an ordinance allowing it to set up “extraordinary event zones” — designated areas where people won’t be allowed to carry backpacks and other items.

The city wanted to ban guns in those zones. State law, though, allows people to carry concealed weapons — unless they’re at a parade or protest. That makes it unclear exactly where and when people are allowed to carry guns.

The Republicans will gather for the nominating convention at the Tampa Bay Times Forum in Tampa Aug. 27-30, and the Democrats will follow a week later at Charlotte’s Time Warner Cable Arena. The Secret Service has banned civilians from carrying guns inside the arenas.

The federal government has given $50 million each to Charlotte and Tampa to help them pay for new security-related equipment, training and officer salaries.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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42 comments Add your comment

Marlboro Man

May 2nd, 2012
3:11 pm

Handguns are for scared people to feel better. Hope it works for them.

DLink

May 2nd, 2012
3:26 pm

A guy cruises thru a stop sign, and gets pulled over by a local policeman. He hands the cop his driver’s license, insurance verification, plus his concealed carry permit. “Okay, Mr. Smith,” the cop says, “I see your CCW permit. Are you carrying today?” “Yes, I am.” “Well then, better tell me what you got.”
Smith says, “Well, I got a .357 revolver in my inside coat pocket. There’s a 9mm semi-auto in the glove box. And, I’ve got a .22 magnum derringer in my right boot.” “Okay,” the cop says. “Anything else?”
“Yeah, back in the trunk, there’s an AR15 and a shotgun. That’s about it.” “Mr. Smith, are you on your way to or from a gun range…?” “Nope.” “Well then, what are you afraid of…?” “Not a dam thing…”

wendy

May 2nd, 2012
3:42 pm

guns are for goons.

td

May 2nd, 2012
3:53 pm

DLink

May 2nd, 2012
3:26 pm

And the good news is that Mr. Smith will not be a victim of crime on his way home.

Curtis Rivers

May 2nd, 2012
3:55 pm

I think the GOP should mount a huge golden gun in the convention and hold morning and evening prayers to worship the gun-god.

td

May 2nd, 2012
3:55 pm

wendy

May 2nd, 2012
3:42 pm

guns are for goons.

Well you just keep on thinking that way and when you are a victim of crime and the police are not there to do anything but to take your statement then please do not go whining to anyone else about your problems.

td

May 2nd, 2012
3:57 pm

Curtis Rivers

May 2nd, 2012
3:55 pm

Yes, and the DNC should mount a big government welfare check outside their convention so that they can worship at the feet of the government bureaucrats that they depend on for subsistence.

david c

May 2nd, 2012
3:57 pm

“A guy cruises thru a stop sign” is the best set up for this so called joke. He DAM sure wasn’t afraid of any laws. Was it Nuge the Pedophile?

Big Brother

May 2nd, 2012
4:07 pm

Call for a cop, call for a pizza and call for an Ambulance. Take bets on who will arrive first.

BIg Hat

May 2nd, 2012
4:12 pm

When super soakers are outlawed, only ….oh, you’ve heard this one?

Aaron Burr V Mexico

May 2nd, 2012
4:15 pm

@Wendy – I understand a natural desire to avoid guns, but what if you had a rampaging mob of psychotic frothing Republicans attacking you? Totally Disgusting is right in that the police cannot teleport.

Imagine what the Republicans are likely to do when Obama wins in 2012. There might not be riots, but I can see them driving around in their pick ups looking to shoot anyone that they think might vote for Obama.

Sounds crazy? Maybe.

And yet the SPLC is still around and thriving. Republicans all defended the cops for not investigating Zimmerman and neoconfederatists still insist the civil war was about ‘economics.’

Protect yourself. Arm yourself. Watch for psychopaths.

Jerome Horwitz

May 2nd, 2012
4:26 pm

Hopefully “Mr. Smith” is paying close attention. Because all the weapons in the world won’t help if the scum is pointing one in his face first. Used to work in a fast food joint where the manager packed a small pistol. We all had to laugh becuase before he could pull that gun out he would have been shot. All for someone else’s money.

Auntie Christ

May 2nd, 2012
4:39 pm

s td says: Yes, and the DNC should mount a big government welfare check outside their convention so that they can worship at the feet of the government bureaucrats that they depend on for subsistence.

I believe you’re mistaken, all the wall street bankers and hedge fund managers that your repub friends bailed out with TARP will be going to Tampa. They’ll be there with all the other ‘job creators’ to petition for their government check and further tax cuts.

Aaron Burr V Mexico

May 2nd, 2012
4:40 pm

@Auntie Christ – Totally Disgusting’s job with his local tea party group (probably his second business he touts so much) depends on ignoring any and all facts.

Democrats need to stop believing Republicans are capable of reason, but your statement is, of course correct.

honested

May 2nd, 2012
4:44 pm

Is there some wrong-wing dog whistle device I don’t know about?
Something that alerts a tiny, misguided segment of the population that it is time to step up and ‘defend the history of ignorance perpetuated by the ‘conserrrrrrvative movement’?

I just wondered because it seems there is always a stupid response immediately available regardless of the question.

As for guns in Tampa, the Police don’t want to be burdened with all the calls accidental, self-inflicted gunshot wounds from the delegates.

Auntie Christ

May 2nd, 2012
4:51 pm

s td also says: And the good news is that Mr. Smith will not be a victim of crime on his way home.

How true. Unfortunately it’s the rest of us who have to worry that this bundle of paranoid neuroses might be having a bad day, ala the movie “Falling Down.”

honested

May 2nd, 2012
4:58 pm

Aaron B (at 4:15),

On election night in 2008 I happened to be at business meeting that included similar businesspeople from around the country. Among the crowd was a woman from a neighboring state who had always made the first thing anyone who met her know about her was her ‘faith’. Hearing about it was always enough to make one walk away. Anyhow, on Election night 2008 she was animated, her face distorted, sobbing uncontrollably. She had been on the phone with her ladies club all evening and they were all similarly disturbed as they had been “praying for days and they could not believe ‘jesus’ would abandon them and allow America to elect a (n-word) President”.

It is a safe bet her crowd won’t take the re-Election any better, nor will a lot of the warped minority.
So, preparation might well be a good thing!

Michael #1

May 2nd, 2012
4:58 pm

Best to be armed when in Tampa. Never know when I am going to need my AK-47.

Ernest T. Bass

May 2nd, 2012
5:01 pm

If guns made you safer America would be the safest place on Earth.

It isn’t. Countries that ban handguns are much much safer.

honested

May 2nd, 2012
5:02 pm

Michael #1,

I prefer the MAC10-45.
More mobile.

td

May 2nd, 2012
5:09 pm

Aron,

Where were you yesterday? I drove all around Atlanta looking for an OWS protest so I could make fun of you and there were none to be found. I guess you and your friend smoked up all your weed ahead of time and did not have the energy to get out of the basement.

td

May 2nd, 2012
5:10 pm

honested

May 2nd, 2012
4:58 pm

I am calling BS. There is no way a good Christian white woman would be out in Dekalb county after dark on election day in 2008.

honested

May 2nd, 2012
5:19 pm

td,

That dog whistle thingy must really work.

I’m glad you feel that way about Dekalb county, it keeps you on your side of the line and out of traffic.

But this was in Nevada.

honested

May 2nd, 2012
5:21 pm

td,

And given why I mentioned her, your attachment of ‘good, xtian and white’ may not be the best set of adjectives for such a misguided, hateful wretch.

come on son

May 2nd, 2012
5:27 pm

Well they are building a gun range up here in the suburbs in between a day care center and a church, it is amazing what fear can produce.

Auntie Christ

May 2nd, 2012
5:31 pm

That says a lot about s td that he considers such a person a good christian.

Auntie Christ

May 2nd, 2012
5:35 pm

and, honested, it serves her right for associating herself with a known notorious socialist who advocates wealth distribution, and says things like ‘blessed are the poor,’ when we all know the poor are shiftless, sorry, welfare queens and kings. She needs to get with the real god, the American dollar.

td

May 2nd, 2012
5:38 pm

Auntie Christ

May 2nd, 2012
5:35 pm

It will sure be nice when we cut off your welfare check and you have to work for that almighty dollar.

Shar

May 2nd, 2012
5:44 pm

Before any politician can vote to expand the places in which guns can be legally carried, they must accept guns in the public places they and their families frequent. Mayor Buckthorn does not get to decide that guns are too dangerous for places he and his cronies will be in Tampa, and our state legislators should not get to decide that guns should be protected at other people’s places of business, study and worship, but not at the State Capitol.

td

May 2nd, 2012
5:49 pm

Shar

May 2nd, 2012
5:44 pm

We agree. The second amendment does not say people can not bear arms at any place.

Now if the politicians want to be serious then they would pass a law that says anyone caught with a gun that is a convicted felon then they should receive the death penalty.

WaitAMinute

May 2nd, 2012
5:49 pm

Stand your ground could be dangerous for republicans as I consider any of them dangerous to me. Tampa here we come.

Atlanta Mom

May 2nd, 2012
6:12 pm

Wow, I hope no one feels threatened. But then that person can stand his/her ground. Could be a real blood bath down there at the RNC.

Auntie Christ

May 2nd, 2012
6:33 pm

s td says: It will sure be nice when we cut off your welfare check and you have to work for that almighty dollar.

I don’t know what gave you the impression I was a oil company executive, or Bain Capital honcho or wall st banker or work in one of those other occupations living on the government teat. Actually, I have a healthy pension from a private company, a Soc Sec check that is due me because I paid for it, and best of all, back in 2005 I invested in that fruit company that some guy named Steve Jobs used to run. So the next time I come through the drive through, show me some respect and try to get my order correct. The last time you put onions on my burger, and I hate onions.

td

May 2nd, 2012
6:56 pm

Auntie Christ

May 2nd, 2012
6:33 pm

Since you are not part of the dumb masses that support Obama then that makes you a true believing plantation owning liberal/progressive/Marxist that wants to fundamentally transform this nation in the a European socialist state. You my friend are much more dangerous then the dumb masses.

Dtruth

May 2nd, 2012
7:04 pm

Auntie Christ, please eat the onions they cover up you boozy breath.

Dtruth

May 2nd, 2012
7:07 pm

your not you. I was typing one handed while covering my nose with the other.

Auntie Christ

May 2nd, 2012
8:07 pm

was typing one handed while covering my nose with the other.

Oh, your wife came in while you were typing huh?

s td, I just told you, I’m rich, and I didn’t need to buy a congressman to get that way or stay that way. You on the other hand live a life of quiet desperation, shrouded in bitterness and full of hate and bigotry. But of course, you’re going to heaven and I’m not, because you’re a good christian.

Auntie Christ

May 2nd, 2012
8:09 pm

And save your insults for tomorrow, I’m outta here

Eli

May 2nd, 2012
9:24 pm

This is a stupid pseudo-issue. Can the GOP do any more to alienate voters that are left of the right?

It is not as if the Secret Service has anything to worry about though…it is not like any of the people attending the RNC will be president any time soon.

Aaron Burr V Mexico

May 3rd, 2012
9:53 am

@TD – Of course you didn’t see me. That’s because I was 3 cars back following you. I saw you run that light by the way.

Just kidding! :) Of course. :)

Newtewt.

May 3rd, 2012
11:48 am

Sarah Palin will think about 2/3 of the GOP delegates will be horny after her, when it’ll be just those packing the biggest heat.

Sister Sarah

May 3rd, 2012
12:50 pm

@Aaron May 2 4:15p

Amen brother! My antennae are up, always!