Tampa mayor to press governor for ban on concealed firearms at RNC protests

A good piece on the conflict between security and GOP support for gun rights from the Tampa Bay News:

TAMPA — Frustrated by a Florida law that blocks all local regulation of guns, Mayor Bob Buckhorn expects to reach out to Gov. Rick Scott for help keeping concealed firearms away from protests during the Republican National Convention.

The 2011 state law pre-empts the ability of cities and counties to pass any laws regulating firearms or ammunition.

So while Tampa plans to ban a wide range of weapons (clubs, switchblades, Mace) and things that could be used as weapons (chains, glass bottles, water pistols) outside the convention, it cannot prohibit guns carried with a concealed weapons permit.

Buckhorn anticipates sending Scott a letter soon asking the state to explore a way to suspend the law temporarily during the Aug. 27–30 convention. He hopes that would create a way to ban concealed weapons inside the city’s proposed “Clean Zone,” which covers downtown and surrounding areas.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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Aaron Burr V Mexico

April 20th, 2012
2:20 pm

As a citizen I protest. I need the right to protect myself from Southerners AND Republicans, and I should be able to wear a concealed pistol to do so.

Remember, if you out law guns, only reality deviants will carry guns.

Centrist

April 20th, 2012
2:27 pm

If I were a delegate, I’d want a carry permit and be armed to defend myself going in and out of the Convention where there is bound to be some threatening protestors.

But the Democrats seem to really get them.

The Snark

April 20th, 2012
2:28 pm

Sounds reasonable to me. Republicans make sure that anyone can carry any gun to any place at any time and under any conditions — except their own convention.

Aaron Burr V Mexico: Dude, I told you to stay away from the brown acid.

Becky

April 20th, 2012
2:28 pm

This entire situation would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad. Sometimes one does get what one asks for. Soembody plan on going rogue?

Becky

April 20th, 2012
2:29 pm

Forgot to add-this is all Obama’s fault.

The Snark

April 20th, 2012
2:32 pm

Centrist: What a great idea! Hundreds of heavily armed people that intensely dislike each other, all crowded together in a confined space. One accidental jostling, one snarky comment, one misunderstood movement, one momentary loss of self-control — BAMMO! — hundreds of innocent bystanders with gunshot wounds! Fantastic! Small price to pay for the once-in-a-lifetime chance to get the drop on a burglar.

Centrist

April 20th, 2012
2:33 pm

Ah, Becky – you are confused. The term is “Bush’s fault”.

Aaron Burr V Mexico

April 20th, 2012
2:36 pm

@the Snark – It wasn’t acid dude. It was spending too long talking to Republicans….its more of a trip than acid ever could be.

And, by the way, that IS a great idea. Just keep the innocent bystanders out…otherwise, let nature take its course.

@Strawman – Parrots aint got nothin on you.

Centrist

April 20th, 2012
2:39 pm

@ The Snark – Inside Conventions it is pretty collegial. Unlike here, politics is debated civilly. You’d be very surprised at how many people are armed at PTA, Rotary, COC, Commissioner, church, and other meetings – along within shops, banks, bars and restaurants. I like knowing that those who have been properly vetted are carrying in case some crack-head armed robber is lurking about.

Becky

April 20th, 2012
2:40 pm

Not Really Centrist, We know Bush would be packing.

Becky

April 20th, 2012
2:42 pm

I can picture Calista going rogue and pulling Ann’s hair and then we would have a reason to pull out the heat. My oh My. Where do I get a ticket to go convention watching?

Big Hat

April 20th, 2012
2:42 pm

When everyone has a gun, we won’t need cops. Think of the savings to local governments. Then cops would have to get real jobs like the rest of us and actually work for a living.

jd

April 20th, 2012
2:45 pm

I agree with Big Hat. Think of the money Tampa will save by not having to pay for security. The local host committee should tell the RNC they are removing security from the budget. A perfect way to demonstrate that the NRA strategy for individual security is superior to the age old government policy of policing! Surely the Republicans believe in what they preach!

Centrist

April 20th, 2012
2:48 pm

@ Big Hat – What a stupid statement. Most police are highly trained to PROTECT citizens by laying their lives on the line for little pay. They deal with the scum of society so you don’t have to.

Becky

April 20th, 2012
2:49 pm

And since Noot will be amongst his admirers he should have no problems in letting go of his security detail saving taxpayers $40k/day.

Becky

April 20th, 2012
2:49 pm

Centrist-got a dictionary? Look up sarcasm dude.

pss

April 20th, 2012
2:51 pm

So the R’s in Florida are OK with folks carrying guns essentially anywhere, except where they may be in danger?

Aaron Burr V Mexico

April 20th, 2012
2:56 pm

@Strawman – Speaking as someone who knows the scum of society as firsthand experience since 1855.

GaBlue

April 20th, 2012
2:57 pm

Nah. They need to preserve state law, here. If there happens to be a small woman standing outside the convention, holding up a sign they don’t particularly like, instead of having to go to the trouble of yanking the sign from her hand, throwing her to the ground, and STOMPING ON HER HEAD (like the good Republicans in Kentucky did outside a Rand Paul rally), they can just SHOOT her, and it’s legal!

Saves time and energy, because we know how these misogynistic COWARDS need to conserve their energy.

Aaron Burr V Mexico

April 20th, 2012
3:00 pm

Yes but she could shoot back. Its the thing Dems still need to learn.

Ah well, there are SOME problems with empathy and respecting life etc.

Still, some foes cannot be reasoned with. The sooner dems understand this, the sooner we can get this over and done with. Either civilization will stand, or its beyond thunderdome, but the two realities CANNOT be reconciled.

Georgia, The " New Mississippi "

April 20th, 2012
3:03 pm

Only a person that wanted to be a martyr would protest at the RNC without a gun loaded with defensive ammunition……… take a back up gun too.

Centrist

April 20th, 2012
3:05 pm

Some of my favorite gun expressions:

When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.

An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity.

I may get killed with my own gun, but he’s gonna have to beat me to death with it, cause it’s going to be empty.

You can say ’stop’ or ‘alto’ or use any other word you think will work but I’ve found that a large bore muzzle pointed at someone’s head is pretty much the universal language.

Aaron Burr V Mexico

April 20th, 2012
3:10 pm

Not my best work, but I enjoyed saying it and that’s what counts. :)

Georgia, The " New Mississippi "

April 20th, 2012
3:11 pm

I carry a gun because I am too young to die and too old the take an a$$ whooping.

GaBlue

April 20th, 2012
3:21 pm

Aaron Burr V Mexico @ 3:00.

ROGER THAT, good buddy! I’ve learned my lesson and prepared myself accordingly.

Swinging Stefan

April 20th, 2012
3:23 pm

The regressives are coming to town-I feel sorry for Tampa hookers…..

Becky

April 20th, 2012
3:25 pm

Swinging stefan-are you serious? Actually hooker’s business will increase with the arrival of the holy rollers.

Becky

April 20th, 2012
3:26 pm

IT doesn’t count if you aren’t in your own bed in your own house.

Aaron Burr V Mexico

April 20th, 2012
3:27 pm

@GaBlue – Good for you! When the Redshirts attempt the American Krystalnaucht, you won’t be able to go to the gun store and pick one up. And while they will be (awesomely) crushed, it won’t do you any good to sue them for your burned house if you’re dead.

They are dangerous. They are psychotic. They are organizing. They believe they are right. They ridicule empathy. They are getting more fanatic every passing year. They delight in the harsh treatment of their opponents.

The crazy ones separate themselves from the craziest by calling themselves, ‘Centrists’…

If you don’t protect yourself and your family from the monsters, it will be ever lastingly too late when they swarm.

The police cannot teleport.

There is no greater threat to civilization than the Republican Party. BELIEVE IT.

jconservative

April 20th, 2012
3:32 pm

I do not see the problem. The Republicans selected Tampa as the convention site knowing that this bill was on the books.

The Mayor needs to worry about other stuff.

Aaron Burr V Mexico

April 20th, 2012
3:34 pm

@Jconservative – Like having the Mad Monster Party invade his front doorstep.

The reason violent crime has dropped in florida is because the monsters are EATING the lesser predators…..:)

GaBlue

April 20th, 2012
3:47 pm

Aaron Burr V Mexico @ 3:27,

I concur! Where I live, I’m surrounded, and WELL aware of how truly psychotic they are. Furthermore, I don’t expect my local police department to be overly helpful. To my advantage, I am able to blend in somewhat, at least to those who imagine all “liberals” drive hybrids (nope), wear Birkenstocks (oh heck no!), and tote Starbucks lattes with them everywhere (I brew my own, thanks). I can also quote the bible and compare the local shooting ranges. That at least buys me a little time to get away.

Seriously… they ARE psychotic. Some of the scariest of the rightie freaks can be found in — of all places — grocery stores! ACK! Because I appear approachable and harmless, these social rejects feel comfortable opening up to me about how much they hate the President, how “liberals” have ruined the country (hence, I presume, their ambitions giving way to a career saying, “You can find that on Aisle 9″), and most recently, I had one explain to me that (sweartogod he said this): He loves the Constitution BUT “every amendment after the 10th is a mistake.” Uh….. EXCUSE ME? You know, right after he assured me he “carries.”

I will not be run off, though. I’m standing my ground.

Aaron Burr V Mexico

April 20th, 2012
4:12 pm

@GABlue – I admire you for your courage. I, for one, am making preparations to be elsewhere when the big Enchilada hits.

Weetamoe

April 20th, 2012
4:33 pm

The republicans did not ask for the ban; the mayor did. That small woman who was not stomped by the way, rushed forward holding something. It was never identified as a sign. The security guarding Sen Paul wisely intercepted her. The incident was unlike that in AZ where a mediocre congresswoman who had been stalked by a nut for several years took absolutely no precautions. As a result of her recklessness and arrogance a number of innocent people were killed or wounded.

Centrist

April 20th, 2012
4:34 pm

@ GaBlue – I rarely discuss religion or politics with friends, neighbors, or acquaintances. Little good can come from it – neither of us is going to change our minds, but somebody’s nose may come out of joint. If somebody starts, I usually get real quiet and/or try to change the subject. Once in a while we might have a discussion about a single issue, or share predictions – but I hate those longer discussions.

This anonymous sounding board is better.

td

April 20th, 2012
4:58 pm

Aaron Burr V Mexico

April 20th, 2012
3:00 pm

Yes but she could shoot back. Its the thing Dems still need to learn.

Ah well, there are SOME problems with empathy and respecting life etc.

Dems respecting life? What a joke coming from the party that is responsible for the murder of 6 million unborn children since 1973.

td

April 20th, 2012
5:10 pm

I see we are having a delusional hate fest this afternoon. The only proof of which side of the political spectrum is radical, angry and will take the law into their own hands is to compare what has happened in Tea Party protest and OWS protest. Rest my case.

Centrist

April 20th, 2012
5:27 pm

td posted “I see we are having a delusional hate fest this afternoon.”

If you skip over and don’t read the posts from the known partisan name callers, it goes fast and easy. I still don’t understand why you engage them.

GaBlue

April 20th, 2012
5:29 pm

Weetamoe,

Thanks for identifying yourself as an advocate of violence against women. Would it be too much to ask to request a real name or photo, so we could avoid you at all costs?

td

April 20th, 2012
5:38 pm

Centrist

April 20th, 2012
5:27 pm

“I still don’t understand why you engage them.”

First and foremost I engage them because I believe in debate and the free exchange of ideas.

Second: I really think it is important to have people think about their philosophy and the differences are really demonstrated best when you take on an extremist.

Last: It is just so much fun to know that you make them so angry on the other side of the monitor that they may stroke out.

deegee

April 20th, 2012
5:44 pm

Did Weetamoe just blame the violent attack on Gabby Giffords and the innocent bystanders on Gabby Giffords? That was harsh, and delusional.

Aaron Burr V. Mexico

April 20th, 2012
5:45 pm

@Total Doormat – You’re criticizing me about respecting live?

From the Psychopath Party? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA! Seriously.

Get a new joke book. Yours is overdue from the library from 1824.

See, your problem is that there is more to a human being than a clump of cells. And you don’t get to defend children when you insist on killing them with everything you believe in. Republicans make Baby Jesus cry. Seriously.

How much profit is there in maintaining hotel chains for the homeless anyway?

@Strawman – Because he likes to feel like he’s a manly man. “Exchanging ideas” with vacuum is a bit like saying Republicans have values. Or Military Intelligence.

And its true, he makes me so angry. Really. I’m scowling as I sit here and giggle at ta wittle doormat.

Because I wipe the floor with him.

Aaron Burr V. Mexico

April 20th, 2012
5:46 pm

@Strawman – Oh…and we both know you’re reading every single post. Don’t worry (wink) I won’t tell if you won’t. (wink wink wink) ;)

deegee

April 20th, 2012
5:47 pm

Such sweet irony, Republicans advocating for gun control, but only for 4 days when a whole bunch of them are going to be in the same place at the same time.

lou1011

April 20th, 2012
6:02 pm

Nothing’s changed here A Black thug assaulted a guy on the streets, who defended himself.One less Black thug in this world..thank you Zimmerman!

Dave

April 20th, 2012
6:04 pm

Weetamoe, wow, just wow. As to the main point, I expect Mitt Romney to come out immediately and forcefully demanding that the squirrelly folks down the street from his coronation (and for that matter inside the building) be allowed to carry, that’s the NRA way and he’s a life member; or, did I miss something? Should I start holding my breath now?

Centrist

April 20th, 2012
6:07 pm

td posted “Last: It is just so much fun to know that you make them so angry on the other side of the monitor that they may stroke out.”

Funny. But if you ignore reading their vitriol, they won’t get under your skin. But I have to admit I went to bed laughing last night over Galloway’s irritation of being called out for his bias.

“Look” has not been here today – he is not that far to the left, and a good debater who makes me think. “GaBlue” is an admitted liberal and sometimes gets partisan putting words in others’ mouths, but he is polite, we actually sometimes agree and some of his points are valid. There are others, too – but I have learned mostly which screen names to read and which to skip (a few on the far right). Once in a while I get fooled, but learn by enough repetition. You have a lot more patience suffering fools than I.

td

April 20th, 2012
6:12 pm

Aaron Burr V. Mexico

April 20th, 2012
5:45 pm

“Because I wipe the floor with him”

Only in you grandiose, narcissistic, OWS, American hating, under 30 mind.

td

April 20th, 2012
6:16 pm

deegee

April 20th, 2012
5:47 pm

The mayor is a Democrat and made this statement for political gain.

td

April 20th, 2012
6:19 pm

Centrist

April 20th, 2012
6:07 pm

“GaBlue” hates me because I refused to allow the uneducated to keep thinking their direct vote will be counted for Obama here is Georgia. She will not address me.