Southern Baptist leader: Jesus wouldn’t like health care panels
On C-SPAN this morning, Richard Land, president of that arm of the Southern Baptist Convention that concerns itself with national issue, was asked by a caller to justify his opposition to President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul.
Said Land:
”I don’t think Jesus would support the rationing panels that are in place for Obamacare. I’m getting letters every day – every day – from people who are already being rationed care since the new head of Medicare came in. They’re being told if they have terminal conditions, they can’t get treatment for other diseases.
“Even Mr. Obama said that perhaps it wasn’t the best allocation of resources to give his grandmother, who was dying of cancer, a hip replacement. So I guess she can hobble around in terrible pain with a bad hip while she was dying of cancer. I don’t think that’s very Christian, ma’am.”
The president’s grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, died of cancer at age 86 in 2008, two days before her grandson’s election victory. Following her diagnosis, she had a hip replaced. Months later, in a New York Times magazine article, Obama wondered out loud whether high-cost operations for the terminally ill could be justified as “sustainable” public policy:
”I don’t know how much that hip replacement cost. I would have paid out of pocket for that hip replacement just because she’s my grandmother. Whether, sort of in the aggregate, society making those decisions to give my grandmother, or everybody else’s aging grandparents or parents, a hip replacement when they’re terminally ill is a sustainable model, is a very difficult question. If somebody told me that my grandmother couldn’t have a hip replacement and she had to lie there in misery in the waning days of her life — that would be pretty upsetting.”
The problem, the president continued, is that not everyone can pay for a hip replacement out-of-pocket:
“… So that’s where I think you just get into some very difficult moral issues. But that’s also a huge driver of cost, right?
“I mean, the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here.”
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On the same topic, Attorney General Sam Olens said Monday that Republicans need to have their ducks in a row if and when the U.S. Supreme Court issues its ruling on the new health care law. From the Augusta Chronicle:
“Let’s assume we win the case. The Republican Party better have a bill that’s immediately filed to improve health care in this country or it will be detrimental in the November election.”
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The Athens Banner-Herald reports that prominent Democrats, including Mayor Nancy Denson, are funneling money to Regina Quick, who’s mounting a GOP primary challenge to state Rep. Doug McKillip.
McKillip, a former Democrat, sponsored this year’s aggressive anti-abortion bill, which shortens the period during which a woman can seek to end her pregnancy. From the newspaper:
Denson gave Quick $500 on Feb. 22, according a campaign finance disclosure filed last week with the Georgia Government Transparency and Campaign Finance Commission….
McKillip angered Democrats by switching parties in 2010 and other elected officials by pushing a controversial Athens-Clarke Commission redistricting plan.Republican former mayor and Athens Area Chamber of Commerce President Doc Eldridge, who has publicly feuded with McKillip over redistricting, and Democratic former state Sen. Doug Haines also contributed to Quick’s campaign, as did a number of her fellow lawyers and some Republican activists.
During the same C-SPAN session, Land also suggested that likely GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney could name U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio as his running mate, as a means of “pivoting” on the illegal immigration issue — and proposing a comprehensive reform package.
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The New York Times this morning dissects the false Internet rumor about an indictment that, 10 days ago, sent South Carolina’s governor scrambling:
It took only two minutes. An unfounded report on a little-known blog claiming that Gov. Nikki R. Haley was about to be indicted rocketed from South Carolina political circles into national circulation, along the way becoming the latest lesson in the perils of an instantaneous news culture.
The item’s rapid journey from hearsay to mainstream journalism, largely via Twitter, forced Ms. Haley to rush to defend herself against a false rumor. And it left news organizations facing a new round of questions about accountability and standards in the fast and loose “retweets do not imply endorsement” ethos of today’s political journalism.
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The AJC’s Politifact Georgia this morning takes a look at state Agriculture Commissioner Gary Black’s defense of “lean, finely textured beef” – pejoratively known as “pink slime.”
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Jerome Horwitz
April 10th, 2012
9:41 am
Jesus doesn’t like those who bear false witness either………
This is a good point for discussion on the future of medical care in this country. With scarce resourses is ti a godd decision to provide certain medical services to the treminally ill. On one hand you can’t compain about high costs if you don’t want to review certain treatments. Just a cruel fact of life. You can’t have everything.
Nice to have the ear of the Lord
April 10th, 2012
9:42 am
Have to love the Southern Baptists, they know what Jesus would or wouldn’t like. I don’t think he would like guns, but what do I know I don’t have his ear like the good ole Southern Baptists.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
9:52 am
I can think of a whole lot of other things Jesus probably wouldn’t like too…many of which he ACTUALLY talked about.
Mixing politics and religion.
Hypocrites.
Lying.
Obsessing over tiny tiny tiny little stupid things while ignoring the suffering.
Using his name to say ‘medical panels’ are bad, while failing to preach against your demonic congregation that wants to cut care for the poor
Racists
Adulterers
Glorifying hate
The list goes on and on. The so called “Christians” of the South are anything but.
deegee
April 10th, 2012
9:54 am
Aren’t high doses of morphine prescribed for people with terminal cancer? Wouldn’t morphine dull the pain of a bad hip? I am all for hip replacements for healthy people; but, how does someone who is terminally ill heal from hip replacement surgery?
My mother was recently diagnosed with a defect in her heart. The doctor told her that the only way to fix it was with heart surgery. He said he wouldn’t do it on someone in their 80’s. What’s wrong with that?
Centrist
April 10th, 2012
10:05 am
Journalism is an old fashioned word that no longer fits liberal bias, creative editing, and reporting of unfounded rumors.
On a subject not yet mentioned here, but touched upon by Olens concerning Republicans – the “Buffet rule” is scheduled for a Senate vote later this month and will probably be filibustered. If implemented, it would impose a 30 percent federal tax rate on annual income over $1 million. Proponents argue that the rule should be passed in the interest of fairness, while opponents note it will barely dent deficits/debt. Both sides are correct – but self interested Republicans are making a HUGE mistake in giving this campaign issue to Democrats. Self interested Democrats can get a free ride in voting for this plan which they know will not pass. Note that almost or maybe all U.S. Senators would be hit by this “fairness” tax. Watch for those Senators up for re-election to vote for it as long as they know others not up for re-election will cover for them, voting against it.
Ashley Dawson
April 10th, 2012
10:05 am
Why in the world would anybody take their marching orders from these Baptist hypocrites or that man in Rome who wears the funny hat. There is a lot of things Jesus wouldn’t be happy about, starting with organized religion and the malfeasance that goes on behind the walls of these so-call churches and religious institution.
findog
April 10th, 2012
10:06 am
Why would anyone follow what this bozo says?
Jesus would prefer that the GOP raise taxes to pay for medical care for the old and poor; since he knows they will never cut defense to allow for other functions of government to be fully funded.
Jesus would probably prefer for Christian’s to stick to his teaching instead of trying to align him with one political party over the other…
GaBlue
April 10th, 2012
10:06 am
Jesus probably would not have asked for an insurance card and co-pay up front before healing the sick either.
deegee
April 10th, 2012
10:09 am
You can buy a decent meat grinder for home use for about $50.00. If you want to avoid pink slime, buy a chuck roast and grind it yourself. It’s not that difficult.
Maybe the whole pink slime issue will force parents to think twice about feeding meat that is full of steroids, antibiotics and ecoli to their children. And you thought that diarrhea you had was just a little tummy virus. Think about it.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
10:11 am
@Not Centrist – Much like the word Centrist apparently since just about anyone can claim to use it, no matter how far to the right they are.
Your point re: Buffet Rule is a good one, and I agree with you but you fail to comprehend how utterly and totally incompetent the democrats actually are. They have barely managed to get their head out of their symbol long enough to get that preaching 99 vs 1 is a good idea, but actual facts or pointing out of Republican inconsistencies is MEAN.
GaBlue
April 10th, 2012
10:14 am
Doug McKillip made the mistake of enlisting in the War on Women. He’s proud to wear an officer’s uniform and take orders from self-appointed judges who, though they lack medical degrees, have decided that they are qualified and justified to make medical decisions for women they’ve never met.
Doug McKillip will realize his mistake.
deegee
April 10th, 2012
10:24 am
Paul Ryan was making the talk show rounds this morning. I listened to him defend his budget plan. He keeps saying that the elimination of “some” tax credits and deductions will compensate for the big reduction in tax rates for the wealthy. He skated over the measly cuts in the Defense budget.
The fundamental problem is that we just witnessed one of the most egregious money grabs in modern times. The wealthy bankers prospered while their clients were thrown out of their homes. The economy was wrecked by the same people that Paul Ryan believes will “raise the boat” for everyone. The middle class is still stuck on the boat in some rocky water. People aren’t buying the old aspirational tax policy argument any more.
Wally
April 10th, 2012
10:32 am
Jesus would def open up a can of whoop-arse on BlueCross/BlueShield if he ever had to talk to their customer service dept.
GET REAL
April 10th, 2012
10:38 am
Didn’t these rationing panels exist at Medicare during the Bush administration? In fact, didn’t they exist in every prior administration — Democrat and Republican — before? Are the current “panelists” less Christian or less Godly than panelists who made these decisions under Republican administrations? Why all this sudden concern by Southern Baptists about rationing of healthcare? Could it be because Obama happens to be Black and a Democrat? If Mitt Romney is elected our next President will he cut these panels from Medicare’s day-to-day operations? Did he cut these same kind of panels that surely exist under the healthcare plan he crerated for the Commonwealth of Massachusettes?
Becky
April 10th, 2012
10:40 am
Jesus is very unhappy about Baptists and their cringeworthy teaching. She told me so herself.
In all seriousness, the Baptist leaders have forced more folks away from their “religion” than anyone else.
Becky
April 10th, 2012
10:41 am
Please provide an address for campaign donations for Ms. Quick.
Wallis T. Coper
April 10th, 2012
10:42 am
he wood be a memmer of the tea party, an wood not allow oboma an his puppits to redisbute all the wite peoples welth
Becky
April 10th, 2012
10:45 am
wallis-if you were truly illiterate you would have misspelled tea party
Becky
April 10th, 2012
10:50 am
I would encourage the Santorum family to provide a copy of the check they wrote for their daughter’s recent hospital stay. She obviously has a pre-existing condition so I doubt she has health insurance, perhaps her father’s insurance is paying for her?
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
10:52 am
http://vote-ga.org/intro.aspx?state=ga&id=gaquickreginam
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
10:54 am
Here is the address listed for her so far: Georgia Republican Party
706.543.9925
1515 S. Lumpkin Street #222
Athens, GA 30605
I would suggest calling Nancy Denson (http://www.nancydensonformayor.com/) Quick does not yet seem to have a site.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
10:54 am
Note: That address seems to be the local GOP party office.
Becky
April 10th, 2012
10:58 am
Thanks for the address.
The simple fact that Land was on c-span putting forth his agenda is ample proof there is no separation of church and state and his church should lose its tax exempt status.
honested
April 10th, 2012
11:07 am
McKillip thought he was on the path to be governor, I mean in the last dozen years, all one needed to do was display incompetence and flip parties and voila’, higher office beckons.
honested
April 10th, 2012
11:10 am
Becky,
How did we get to a point where any ‘business’ that happens to express a few homilies on Sunday and still somehow be exempt from taxation as well as regulation?
Wallis T. Coper
April 10th, 2012
11:12 am
TO BECKY: i am not illerate, gradated 1961, an before you was borned, me must sport sara palen an the tea party to take are contry back
Becky
April 10th, 2012
11:12 am
honested-I’m not sure but if I start preaching at my home more than I do already, can it become tax exempt?
Becky
April 10th, 2012
11:14 am
wallis-you obviously went to a state school, maybe UGA?
zeke
April 10th, 2012
11:16 am
judging by land’s girth and dress, this guy wouldn’t know rationing if it bit him in the arse….what a huckster
Becky
April 10th, 2012
11:17 am
Why would a tax exempt entity expect police and fire coverage, the road to their building paved and maintained, electrical wiring from street to building? Us taxpayers are paying for this! Why aren’t the tea partiers calling them out on this?
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will crush the heads of the perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions
April 10th, 2012
11:22 am
I agree with Richard Land. It’s not very Christian to tell a child of God Almighty or, for that matter, a child of the devil that they can’t get treatment for other diseases because of a terminal illness. In other words, the supporters of Obamacare believe treatment for other diseases is a waste of money because you are dying anyway.
As for Obama “nem”, I don’t pay any attention to that confused bunch e.g. in addition to Obamacare, an insignificant black group of Obama supporters wants war in America. Let me remind you that they don’t produce guns, ammunitions, medicine, bandages, hospitals, or any of the necessities of war or life in general. Either this bunch works for the dark side of the CIA or they are begging to be housed at The United States Penitentiary, Administrative Maximum Facility ADX or Supermax.
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ wouldn’t support the rationing death panels that are in place for Obamacare or the stupidity of war suggested by Obama “nem.” If I remember correctly, Jesus said the thief is among us to steal, kill, and destroy but he came to give us life and that we would have it more abundantly.
Amen?
Wallis T. Coper
April 10th, 2012
11:23 am
well no it, was in newton alabama, an was a good school were kids was not waring pants down an smoking crack on wellfare
GaBlue
April 10th, 2012
11:25 am
Becky @ 11:17,
AMEN! I no longer support organized religion, but I have no problem with others worshiping as they choose. However, these churches, especially the big ones, are in every practical sense corporations that avail themselves of the advantages of our government. They should pay their fair share, and then they won’t have to pretend to be non-partisan!
Wallis T. Coper
April 10th, 2012
11:30 am
TO GA BLUE: do you mean the black church must pay too, or he will stay on wellfare?? you can mark, my words things or not in, the rite deretion with this contry, an everone an blacks to must pay fare share an get off the wellfare, amen?
jed
April 10th, 2012
11:32 am
jesus would’ve self-insured and stuck the govt. with the bill.
W.T. Sherman IV
April 10th, 2012
11:33 am
Bring the good old bugle, boys, we’ll sing another song
Sing it with a spirit that will start the world along
Sing it as we used to sing it, 50,000 strong[5]
While we were marching through Georgia.
Hurrah! Hurrah! we bring the jubilee![6]
Hurrah! Hurrah! the flag that makes you free!
So we sang the chorus from Atlanta to the sea
While we were marching through Georgia.
How the darkeys shouted when they heard the joyful sound
How the turkeys gobbled which our commissary found
How the sweet potatoes even started from the ground
While we were marching through Georgia.
Yes and there were Union men who wept with joyful tears,
When they saw the honored flag they had not seen for years;
Hardly could they be restrained from breaking forth in cheers,
While we were marching through Georgia.
“Sherman’s dashing Yankee boys will never reach the coast!”
So the saucy rebels said and ’twas a handsome boast
Had they not forgot, alas! to reckon with the Host
While we were marching through Georgia.
So we made a thoroughfare for freedom and her train,
Sixty miles in latitude, three hundred to the main;
Treason fled before us, for resistance was in vain
While we were marching through Georgia.
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will crush the heads of the perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions
April 10th, 2012
11:39 am
To Obama “nem”: Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was the model revolutionary. He was able to produce a culture to challenge the example of the wicked and perverted. If you are able to feed, clothe, shelter, employ, and educate black people etc, it is the perfect example of a revolutionary.
The example presented in the media of what a revolutionary is i.e. guns blazing, bombs dropping, etc is a perversion absent of enemies threatening the model example.
Amen?
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
11:42 am
Every day I see the behavior of the people in this state, I think a little more that Sherman had the right idea.
Step 1) Congress accepts seccession vote from Georgia from before the civil war by simple majority.
As a price of victory devolve Georgia to permanent protectorate/federal territory status.
2) Federal election confirming that they want to seceed.
3) Exempt Blue areas as Federal protectorates (like Atlanta)
4) Let Georgia become its own nation.
5) Wait for ANY georgia politician to pull a Perry (”They’d better behave or we’ll show them our guns!”)
6) Declare this a terrorist threat.
7) Declare war on Georgia.
9) Place all Republicans in reservations. They will be forced to marched to these. Andrew Jackson had the right idea, just the wrong people.
10) Supply the Republicans plenty of heroin and alcohol. Randomly take their land if anything remotely useful is found on it and move them to somewhere worse.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
11:44 am
How’s that for ‘Framing’ moderates? Makes income tax seem pretty tame by comparison really.
Neo Conservatives are going to be the end of us
April 10th, 2012
11:44 am
So the Southern Baptist leader who has taken over the GOP wants us to spend unlimited amounts of money on health care (for hip replacements for the dying) while using the power of the federal government to order other churches/denominations not to conduct same sex weddings.
And this is defined as freedom how? The Republican Party has ironically lost is soul to a nutty preacher.
jed
April 10th, 2012
11:44 am
10) somewhere worse would be Florida…
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
11:50 am
Personally I’d say Wyoming, but Florida does lend itself to possibilities….
Marlboro Man
April 10th, 2012
11:52 am
Jesus had no fear in death, can’t say that about most Americans or health care would have little market to pillage.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
11:54 am
@Marlboro – Nothing wrong with not fearing death.
Encouraging people to accept death so the rich can have lower taxes is pretty demonic however.
Talk about “Screwtape Letters….”
Not saying YOU are saying that…only that is what Republicans might say.
Marlboro Man
April 10th, 2012
12:01 pm
ABVM – One thing you are right about is that is NOT what I am saying.
Shar
April 10th, 2012
12:08 pm
I wonder if Land’s position would be changed if the SBC did indeed have to pay the taxes that fund medical treatments like hip replacements for the terminally ill. Seems as though Jesus would tell him it’s not terribly Christian to hoard all his organization’s money and not help to soothe the ill (even if you can’t heal them).
I also wonder what the insurance coverage for such treatments are in the SBC’s own insurance policy……
Hypocrisy is a two way street
April 10th, 2012
12:13 pm
All these folks on thisw blog criticizing Preacher Richard Landfor telling what he thinks Jesus’ attitude would be on rationing health care and then giving their own opinions about what position Jesus would take? What a bunch of hypocrites! They are trying to speak for Jesus on an issue just like Land? Wonder what Jesus would think about that? Hope He doesn’t comment as it could be rough! I am sure some of you know it alls will tell me. My opinion? Run all the money changers on both sides out of the Temple!
Jimmy Carter Jones
April 10th, 2012
12:25 pm
Jim Gallaway is a hack for the democratic party.
Obama Supporter
April 10th, 2012
12:27 pm
Obama is the greatest president ever…as long as he and I share the same skin color…he can do no wrong.
Tax payer
April 10th, 2012
12:29 pm
The earned income tax credit is for DEAD BEAT DEMOCRATS!
Bernie
April 10th, 2012
12:30 pm
Jesus would say to the Southern Baptist Leader ” I Never knew YOU”. So how could you possibly know or even possibly quote me on ANY Subject!
td
April 10th, 2012
12:35 pm
Attention: Georgia has grown 6 million people in forty years! Where is everybody coming from? Majority republican districts up north! There is a great deal of greatness up north (Hence, New York City)!!! It is a whole different world! Needless to say many northerners are not familiar with the culture of the South. They are good people who vote republican! The following link is the reason why everybody came down here! Spread the good word!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNMjiELp47E
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
12:36 pm
@Tax Payer – Sooner or later, there will be a new constitutional convention in this country, and when there is, I intend to do everything in my power to help create a hard resistant block, like slavery was for the South, that will insist that they will only support ratification if all of the Libertarian dirt (replace that with something the filter won’t accept) bags and Republican demons get an extra 10% taxes, written into the constitution.
honested
April 10th, 2012
12:36 pm
tax payer,
So what is the ‘Oil Depletion Allowance’ for?
td
April 10th, 2012
12:37 pm
I see the vile religious hating left is out in full force today. It is a good thing that your kind represents less then 10% of this nation because it means your opinions do not count and are meaningless. I will say a special prayer that God will convict your souls to come and find out Lord and Savior.
Becky
April 10th, 2012
12:38 pm
The good news is the republican party now consists of old white men. 50 and up, they won’t live forever and with some luck will die with their mistresses using viagra.
The ultimate way to go!
honested
April 10th, 2012
12:39 pm
Bernie,
It the whole jeebus thing was real, it would be nice if he followed up his speech to land with a little marionette dance over an open fire.
Bernie
April 10th, 2012
12:39 pm
I wonder what Jesus would say about Southern Baptists and their flock supporting A Mormon clergyman like Mitt Romney for President over a true Christian? Would he not say, “I have given you a true christian as a leader, why would you go and follow in the ways of a FALSE TEACHER?
Becky
April 10th, 2012
12:39 pm
td-SHE and I were talking just this morning and funny thing-your name never came up.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
12:39 pm
@TD2 @TD1 – Good! We won’t let them back in when Georgia secedes. And look at how awesome the legislature is today!
At some point, 40 years ago, maybe they did get some sense…and held it for about 20 years, then the dixie crats followed by the Republicans became just plain stupid and incapable of doing anything…so all the gains from the 80’s and 90’s are falling apart.
Hooray! Let it rot I say.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
12:40 pm
@TD1 – I don’t hate religion. I just hate demons.
Demons in Christian suits.
Dan the man
April 10th, 2012
12:40 pm
td
April 10th, 2012
12:35 pm
Td, I wonder why those Tom Murphy videos do not have a higher view count! He is a legend!!!
Is It Fair?
April 10th, 2012
12:41 pm
In today’s edition of The Wall Street Journal, the editorial page contained a lead opinion entitled, “Obama’s Revenue Soup.” In the article it noted: “As President Obama told Charlie Gibson of ABC News in 2008 (04/16/2008), whether or not a higher capital-gains tax raises more revenue is irrelevant to him. He wants a higher rate as a matter of ‘fairness.’” (*)
Check it out for yourself:
http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/23137.html
(The actual video for this session with Charlie has been “temporarily removed”…(???hmmmm, I wonder why?)
(*) For the uninitiated, “fairness” has morphed into the 2012 American lexicon as a euphemism for “redistribution of wealth, ala Barack Hussein Obama.”
Bernie
April 10th, 2012
12:42 pm
honested @ 12:39 pm – Not to worry my friend the fire is already warming up for you, watching you dance will be truly an eye opener for you.
honested
April 10th, 2012
12:42 pm
td,
When you are going through your daily ritual of talking to yourself, please don’t waste your breath bringing my name up.
td
April 10th, 2012
12:44 pm
Dan the man
April 10th, 2012
12:40 pm
Dan the man! Greetings my friend! Those videos were posted to youtube recently by the University of West Georgia. They also do not show up when you type his name. Instead, one gets redirected to a musician’s homepage. Try typing in Tom Murphy and Georgia. I am hoping we can make Georgia a prosperous and healthy community again with the help of the more affluent northerners that have moved down here. Every walk of life must participate in politics so that society can achieve its goals!!
GaBlue
April 10th, 2012
12:45 pm
Hypocrisy is a two way street
April 10th, 2012
12:13 pm
All these folks on thisw blog criticizing Preacher Richard Landfor telling what he thinks Jesus’ attitude would be on rationing health care and then giving their own opinions about what position Jesus would take? What a bunch of hypocrites!
*********************
I don’t accept money for my opinions on what Jesus would think, nor do I collect money for a tax-exempt organization by doing so. Pastor Land sets himself as some sort of authority (isn’t that SPECIAL….), and in so doing, invites criticism. On the other hand, I actually work for a living, pay taxes, and say what I want — without imagining that anyone gives a rat’s patootie what that opinion entails.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
12:45 pm
@Bernie – He’d probably say “D’MaA B’G,iHaNoA, AeNaA K’aD’uO AeSHaD’aR OMaLaAK,eA Sherman D’MaKHaM D’SHiAD,aA?!?! OaED,aK’iYL LK,aA?!?”
honested
April 10th, 2012
12:45 pm
is it fair,
Yes I do wish the President had been quicker on his feet and said “Now Charlie, you know that entire line of BS about reducing rates increases revenues is a full out lie and I won’t even acknowledge it.”
Gibson would have been left speechless and the President would have had a pre-canned video talking point forever.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
12:47 pm
@IsItFair – Well the alternative is just selling you and those like you into slavery since you think taxation is theft.
With the wonders of modern technology, cybernetically installed cortex bombs would be installed in the skulls of all Republicans, causing their heads to actually explode as soon as they mention certain words, like “Patriotism” “I am not a hypocrite”, “Tax is theft”.
They would still have free speech, but the rest of us would have Free Silence finally.
How’s that for framing?
Dear God
April 10th, 2012
12:49 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swy_BXFbnpo&feature=relmfu
Td, I found this one to be the most fascinating!
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
12:53 pm
How do you know a Republican is Demonically possessed?
Their lips move.
Bernie
April 10th, 2012
12:56 pm
Jesus would probably respond to Mr Land with ” Where is your PLAN for Healthcare of the children,the old, the poor and the infirmed? You embark on saying many things attributed to me, but yet you and your followers are not walking in the path that you preach and claim so self righteously. You Sir, and your flock have choosen to support a EXTREMELY Wealthy False Teacher over my SON as your Leader.
“I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” – Matt
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
12:58 pm
@Bernie – Good one! Better than mine actually.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
1:07 pm
@TD1 – Oh and 10% of America is Atheist, but only 30% are Demonic Christian. That’s a 2 to 1 ratio for the mob and pitch forks once the ‘moderates’ wake up and realize that the Republicans cannot be reasoned with, cannot be compromised, and Will. Not. Stop. until all of us are serfs or dead.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
1:09 pm
Wasn’t it a third part that was cast out of the host of heaven?
What was the lowest percentage that supported Bush the Torturer?
Hmmm….about…1/3rd….
td
April 10th, 2012
1:10 pm
Becky
April 10th, 2012
12:38 pm
The even better news is while you 20 something continues to grow, get good jobs and have families will become more conservative as they grow older. If you knew anything about history then you would know that most of those peace niks and anti war protesters of the 60’s grew up and now most of them are voting for GWB, McCain and will be voting for Romney. It is only the real loons that never made a life for themselves or the ones that got rich, without God and are trying to save themselves, are the senior leftest today.
Bernie
April 10th, 2012
1:12 pm
“The Southern Baptist Convention is expected to increase the $7.3 billion fund’s asset base (Pensions & Investments magazine ranks it as one of the nation’s 125 largest relglious organizations.”
I am sure Jesus would not be talking or sharing anything with any Leader that have amassed so much money and wealth, while so many Women and children and the poor suffer like they do in the world.
Maybe, RICHARD LAND was a bit confused and was quoting his many conversations with THE FATHER OF LIES.
td
April 10th, 2012
1:14 pm
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
1:07 pm
You must be one of those young ones also. Idealism is great when you are young but one day you will come to realize that you can not save the world. When you have children you will realize what it takes to raise a family and you will want to leave them in a better place and realize all the harms of society and you too will become a conservative.
honested
April 10th, 2012
1:16 pm
td,
Your narrow minded homilies are guaranteed to provide a laugh!
Especially for those of us who never gave up, as you appear to have gracelessly done.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
1:32 pm
@TD1 – I don’t reveal personal details about my identity to demons. That’s as stupid as leaving a lock of your hair or some of your skin near a voodoo caster.
But I will say this. I *WAS* conservative. I looked around and saw the hypocrisy and was literally left for dead. I understand that you can’t reason with conservatives, because they believe they are right.
You can’t reform them, because they are always martyrs in their own mind.
The world will be a better place when, and only when, no one is allowed to deny reality in their ideology, which means that no one is allowed to use their wealth to blind the masses, no one is allowed to lie and get away with it, no one is allowed to claim that society benefits from tax exempt status from organizations that do the work of evil, and no one is allowed to claim that their ancestors weren’t slaving monsters instead of ‘economic victims of the war of northern agression.”
In short, when every southerner who thinks that the confederacy was ‘cool’ and likes to put the stars and bars on their car, or skin or any other such thing is prevented from reproducing.
Given that we’ve had to put up with you constantly threatening the country for more than 200 years, I’m not holding my breath on that happening any time soon.
td
April 10th, 2012
1:32 pm
honested
April 10th, 2012
1:16 pm
Not giving up but coming to the realization that some people do are not willing or refuse to take responsibility for their own actions. Kind of like dealing with a drug addict. Until the person hits rock bottom and takes responsibility for their actions then you are wasting you time begging them to change.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
1:33 pm
(and no, I don’t believe in voodoo, unless holding up a mirror in the face of a faithless demonic christian will make them scream and run away….and believe me, I’ve seen it. They think you’re casting a spell on them. Its hilarious. So much for their ‘faith’ in God.)
Centrist
April 10th, 2012
1:36 pm
@ Is It Fair?
We have a sharply progressive income tax system – except when it comes to capital gains. For taxpayers making over a million a year, most of their incomes are not wages, but capital gains. They pay at a LOWER rate than the little people. As an example, corporate executives get qualified stock options (and often have the strike prices lowered to keep them in the money) which are taxed at the much lower capital gains rates.
No this is NOT “fair”. The wealthy (including every U.S. Senator) have purposely given/taken campaign contributions to continue this egregious scheme to “legally” avoid paying at the same marginal tax rates as say a doctor married to an accountant.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
1:38 pm
@TD1 – Talk of ‘responsibility for their own actions’ is amusing coming from Demons. I think they honestly think they champion self reliance, much like they champion christianity, charity, honesty, decency.
Everyone else, even ‘moderates’ can see them for what they really are of course. If Republicans really cared about self reliance, they would purge their party of law breakers, adulterers, thieves and ghouls.
Why, I remember Christ himself saying, “Blessed are the self reliant, for they shall get there’s and the poor, meek, hungry and humble ain’t gettin nothin.”
Oh wait, that’s the SATANIC bible. Hmm…..
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
1:39 pm
@Not Centrist – Correct.
Big Hat
April 10th, 2012
1:41 pm
Rich folks get all the health care they want, poor people get sick and die. What’s wrong with that? That’s the way it’s always been because that’s the way it should be.
When Jesus returns, he will become President and CEO of HCA, merge it with HealthSouth, UnitedHealth Group, WellPoint, Kaiser, Aetna, Humana, Cigna, Coventry and BC/BS to make sure that only corporations get healthcare, because corporations are the same as people and have more money.
Remember, when death panels are outlawed, only outlaws will have death panels.
Bernie
April 10th, 2012
1:41 pm
If I were a member of the Southern Baptist Convention, I would be on bended knee this very moment praying for forgiveness for such Blaspheny being spoken by such an arrgorant MAN leading so many without any Faith or direction.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
1:43 pm
McCarthy had the right idea. I used to hate him but I think we need to revive HUAAC.
“Are you or have you ever been a member of the Republican, Libertarian or Tea Party? Do you know others who have been? Name names!”
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
1:44 pm
How’s that framin goin ‘moderates’?
Two can play the crazy game. You just don’t recognize it any more because one side are servants of satan and the other side is Barney Fife.
td
April 10th, 2012
1:47 pm
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
1:32 pm
So in your mind it is evil to want people to take responsibility for their own actions? You think it is good and caring to enable people to continue a cycle of self destruction by not getting an education, by producing children when they can not take care of them and by not willing to do the necessary work to get ahead?
Have you ever been in a DFCS office and looked into the eyes of a generational welfare recipient? I worked in a DFCS office many years ago and to see the hopelessness in the eyes of generational welfare recipient would make you stomach turn. This is pure evil. It literally drives the life out of good people and turns them into slaves of the government. Have you ever looked in the eyes of a child whose parent in a drug addict and has been deprived of the care they deserve? If you have not experienced this then you my friend do not know what you are talking about and your eyes are still shut.
Please go ahead and tell me some more BS about how more government programs are the answer.
Last Lawyer Standing
April 10th, 2012
1:47 pm
As a well past middle-aged Republican, a conserative and a lawyer defending health care providers when sued, I have seen first hand how the unrealistic expectations of families in keeping a dying or brain dead relative alive contributes to the wasting of limited resources. A single relative who is unwilling to remove their brain dead 85 year old mother from life support for more than a year cost all of us over $1 million. Finally, God called her home, her unconscious suffering ended and the family’s guilt was assauged. This is one example of hundreds that one lawyer can cite where hundreds of thousands of dollars were spent for care that was obviously useless and actually cruel to the objective observer.
I do not know what the solution is, but if society wishes to continue to provide major medical treatment for people who have no quality of life, or no brain function just because one individual has the power to use these limited resources for their selfish feelings, then we must all must be willing to sacrifice greatly for the the right of the indvidual to make that choice. A choice easily made by the individual who has to pay nothing, as Medicare and Medicad will pay. Hospitals and other providers have to write-off what is not paid and it almost never costs the family a single dime. Perhaps making individuals and families financially responsible for such expenditures would be a good change in public policy. Individual financial responsibility for individual decisions. Of course it will never happen where the biggest entitlement generation is concerned.
td
April 10th, 2012
1:51 pm
Centrist
April 10th, 2012
1:36 pm
Is it not true that most of the money put into investments (that are taxed at 15%) where at one time taxed at a higher rate when it was earned for working?
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
1:51 pm
@TD1 – No, it is evil to throw a four year old out into the dead of winter and say, “Catch yourself a bear and make a shelter kid.”
Welfare queens are only a legend in your own mind.
Privatizing schools to corporations and the Religion industry (as compared to actual religion) will only create a cycle of ignorance that created you.
I find the number of jobs you’ve done rather large and vast TD. What’s the matter, can’t hold a job?
Government programs are the answer when they’re not neutered by senators from the south. The stimulus didn’t work because of forced compromise, with the south. Social security has problems, because of compromises needed with senators…from the south.
The ACA is insurance garbage instead of single payer…because of senators from the south.
Government programs work in every developed country in the world, especially europe. Yeah, I know you’ll say, “look at their debt programs” to which I reply they were victims of American sabotage from Goldman Sachs and the like…able to do whatever they want in this country thanks to deregulation demanded….BY THE SOUTH.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
1:53 pm
@Last Lawyer Standing – It isn’t entitlements. Its earned benefits.
The individual should indeed have a choice, but that also means a choice of living or dying, and also the choice to work where they want, not live in economic serfdom to ‘rich’ people who break the law or get wealth to which they have not earned.
Bernie
April 10th, 2012
2:02 pm
Surely JESUS would say to Richard Land and his Covention church members, are you willing to give up your 7.3 BILLION U.S. DOLLARS in assets and investments, give it to the poor and needy and come follow me?
After Fits of LAUGHTER and a lot of heming and hawing, we know what that answer will be…..”Are you KIDDING ME?” how am I to get paid? would be his response surely.
As for the members, they will follow him blindly to to depths of PIT, as their leaders have chosen for them so faithfully. Jesus in turn, will say to them all. ” I never knew you”.
Tom
April 10th, 2012
2:02 pm
Jesus would be ticked that he couldn’t get ChickFilA on Sunday.
Aquagirl
April 10th, 2012
2:03 pm
It isn’t entitlements. Its earned benefits.
Call them whatever you want, but if you pay $100,000 in medicare taxes and then consume $1 million worth of care, something’s gotta give.
honested
April 10th, 2012
2:04 pm
last lawyer,…….
We have a point of agreement.
Now how much does it cost to:
Charge everyone to repeatedly repair the damage done by addiction to one sport or another (skiing, running, tennis, football, baseball etc.)?
Charge everyone for the repeated use of emergency facilities for reviving the hopelessly addicted children of the wealthy?
Charge everyone for repairing the ravages of poor nutrition and excess consumption of products not properly defined as ‘food’ for humans.
These are also staggering costs.
Centrist
April 10th, 2012
2:06 pm
td posted “Centrist, is it not true that most of the money put into investments (that are taxed at 15%) where at one time taxed at a higher rate when it was earned for working?”
No. My example of senior management being “granted’ qualified stock options in lieu of salary to avoid income taxes in favor of lower capital gains shows it. It should not matter in future tax years if income is derived from salary or capital gains – it should be taxed at the appropriate INCOME tax rate – at least for millionaire/billionaires (Buffet rule).
The top .02% of incomes (300,000 Americans – one out of every 500 taxpayers) make more than a million a year. They are a fiercely protected class comprised of inherited wealth, successful entrepreneurial corporations, senior Fortune 500 management, Wall Street brokers, politicians, entertainment and sports stars who have set up trusts and corporations to take advantage of this huge loophole.
td
April 10th, 2012
2:06 pm
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
1:51 pm
Thank you for admitting that you are a socialist philosophically.
“Welfare queens are only a legend in your own mind”
Now that statement just proves that you are young (probably from a upper middle class family) and have very little life experience.
Becky
April 10th, 2012
2:07 pm
Santorum suspends his campaign, did he run out of cash? Did Romney turn him down for VP?
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
2:09 pm
@Aquagirl – Yes. I agree. Hopefully the something that gives is:
1) Single Payer, thus reducing health costs to levels seen in other countries.
2) The delusion moderates have that the Republican Party are human beings instead of demon agents bent on creating human suffering to allow such a system to be created.
I am not holding my breath for either, which leaves
3) Social Darwinism where Timmy the 4 year old is told he can’t get his appendix out because the government should only be used for the military and tax breaks for the rich.
Becky
April 10th, 2012
2:09 pm
td-you just hate everyone that is not exactly like you. Old, white, racist, bigoted, etc. etc. Baptist, apparently can’t hold a job………
honested
April 10th, 2012
2:11 pm
centrist,
Thanks!
What an odd day, we agree!
However the ‘it has already been taxed’ shibboleth is one of the greatest lies in conservative theology.
A more accurate depiction is ‘taxes have already been avoided once. If I really have to pay, it should be at a lower rate because, dagnabit I’m SPECIAL!’.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
2:11 pm
@TD – I am whatever conservatives are most NOT, so technically I’m a commie mutant mormon anarchist traitor socialist marxist maoist jingoist ninja turtle but that will change as needed to bring the most fear and agitation to contards as possible.
And you’re quite clearly a Gen X’r. Or a boomer. The most selfish generation.
I am, in fact, neither Boomer, Gen Xr or Millenial but I will be quite pleased when the millenials say, “You know what…we should agree with the Republicans and not fund their retirement….no social security for anyone who donated or voted Republican.”
td
April 10th, 2012
2:13 pm
Centrist
April 10th, 2012
2:06 pm
The problem you are talking about could be corrected with legislation and making corporations pay salaries to employees instead of stock options or counting the stock options as earned income. The Buffet rule hurts small businesses more then it hurts the rich. 80% of individual tax returns of over $1 million are from small businesses filing as an individual. Do not throw out the job producing machine of the country just in the name of “fairness”.
Centrist
April 10th, 2012
2:13 pm
Santorum has suspended his campaign instead of still being in the race and losing his home state. This guy is finished in politics – he waited waaay too long to drop out. He will not have a job to further his political ambitions, was a soundly defeated incumbent Senator, and will have many more qualified Governors and Congresspeople vying for future nominations.
td
April 10th, 2012
2:16 pm
Becky
April 10th, 2012
2:09 pm
You too will grow up one day honey. Hang in their and you will see the light.
honested
April 10th, 2012
2:17 pm
I guess Sans-scrotum now qualifies for a tidy Sunday morning spot on faux.
Becky
April 10th, 2012
2:17 pm
Bye bye Rick-go home and take care of your dysfuntional family and for pete’s sake put a condom on or let your wife take birth control. I don’t want to pay more for your next child born to an old lady.
Aquagirl
April 10th, 2012
2:18 pm
Single Payer, thus reducing health costs to levels seen in other countries.
What? You want government healthcare for younger people, not just the elderly who use far more resources for end of life care? OMG SOSHALISM. Timmy’s mom can remove that appendix with her pedicure kit. Kids are tough.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
2:18 pm
@TD1 – You too will die one day son. And I REALLY wish I could be there at your tribunal. “But I told them to be self reliant!” will be hilarious to the angels called as witness while the dead children point their fingers.
I know. I know. “Name one dead child.”
No. Actually. You made your bed. If you’re so self confident in your ideology, research it yourself.
Becky
April 10th, 2012
2:18 pm
td-I am probably older than you, a whole lot wiser and actually know how to spell.
there their they’re learn the difference. You just continue to embarass yourself.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
2:20 pm
@Aquagirl – I think there are many solutions, all of them are better than the one we have now.
I admit I like the more socialist the better mainly because it pisses off conservatives, in fact the UK makes them go apoplectic the most so that’s second on my list after just rounded up rich people and using their organs to keep welfare queens alive.
Centrist
April 10th, 2012
2:20 pm
Only income above a million would be taxed at higher rates under the Buffet rule. Legislation could shield small businesses, or they could incorporate/ sub chapter S with taxable salaries well below the $1 million threshold if avoiding paying higher rates above that is their goal. Small business taxation is a straw dog argument to shield those making millions/billions per year.
Becky
April 10th, 2012
2:20 pm
Right on time, Nikki Haley of SC says there is no War on Women. Must be hoping to get the VP nod, too bad she is the wrong color.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
2:22 pm
@Becky – Maybe she’s not a woman? You know some of those operations are quite skilled these days…
I mean no disrespect to LGBT folks, but there is, after all, nothing more hypocritical than a closeted Republican….
td
April 10th, 2012
2:23 pm
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
2:11 pm
I am sure you are from this new narcissistic college grads entering the work force. You all think you should be making $100,000 a year right out of college, have a vacation every six weeks and be a manager within a year. If you do not get it then you go home and whine to your mother that my boss is making me work on a weekend or late on a Friday night and it is just so unfair. You think you know more then you boss and get angry when your boss tells you that you are wrong and to do the work the way they want you to do it. Yes, I know who you are and have fired several of your type over the past few years.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
2:24 pm
@TD – Ah such a lovely power of deduction you have there TD.
Does that scare you more? Because if you want me to be then by all means, I’m 22 and a member of occupy.
Seriously. Which generation scares you more? That’s what I am.
Becky
April 10th, 2012
2:25 pm
td-the only thing you have ever fired is your charcoal grill. Give it a break.
then than those keep learning
td
April 10th, 2012
2:26 pm
Becky
April 10th, 2012
2:18 pm
td-I am probably older than you,
Then you must be African American because there are very few older white women that are as radical as you are.
honested
April 10th, 2012
2:27 pm
td,
Yet another talk radio inspired lie parroted by somebody who apparently doesn’t know better.
The ‘Buffett Rule’ does not hurt ’small business’ more, since the pass-through income for ‘S’ Corps has already been drastically reduced through expenses before it ever hits the small business owner as ‘income’.
It sounds good on the radio but it is still crap.
Big Hat
April 10th, 2012
2:29 pm
There’s no war on women, just sluts and prostitutes.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
2:29 pm
@TD – Re: Becky.
Oh there are plenty of younger white women who make me look positively ‘moderate’. You see, when you try to tell them how their organs should be run it rather upsets them.
You know, my fellow 22 year olds. That you’ve fired lots of.
From your mother’s basement.
Becky
April 10th, 2012
2:30 pm
td-you could not be more wrong. Remember- we women remember and we vote and will vote your sorry cons out of office in November and re-elect President Obama. Better learn how to deal with it or start packing bub.
gm
April 10th, 2012
2:32 pm
Good old conservative Southern Bapt, I guess Jessus would love Newt who cheated on 2 wifes and had 30 page ethic violations yet these people supported him, this is why younger generations dont take relgion leaders serious any more .
td
April 10th, 2012
2:32 pm
honested
April 10th, 2012
2:27 pm
I own two companies and neither is a Sub chapter S. I do not hold any inventory or have to have a great deal of capital outlay to depreciate so it is better to have each company a LLC and file taxes as an individual.
Becky
April 10th, 2012
2:34 pm
td-your “companies” must never turn a profit with you on here 24 hours a day. As you have no inventory, not sure but you must be a lawn mower specialist, you know the person cutting my grass?
td
April 10th, 2012
2:35 pm
Becky
April 10th, 2012
2:30 pm
Back on that fake war on women that Obama is attempting to sell. Most smart women sees right through the bull and it will not effect their vote.
honested
April 10th, 2012
2:35 pm
td,
So unless your gross is HUGE the ‘Buffett Rule’ wouldn’t mean diddly to you.
Centrist
April 10th, 2012
2:36 pm
td – There are many incorrigible partisans, name callers, and outright nuts here (from end to end of the political spectrum, but mostly endemic liberals on an AJC website). Responding to their posts only encourages more of the same. Suggest you ignore them and debate/ agree with the few remaining thinking posters who use logic, facts, and reason instead of biased opinion and rudeness.
honested
April 10th, 2012
2:37 pm
Any ladies present?
It has been suggested there is no ‘War on Women’.
So just go back to the kitchen and do exactly what your hubby says…….
Wouldn’t want you to get confused and try to think for yourselves.
Aquagirl
April 10th, 2012
2:39 pm
I worked in a DFCS office many years ago and to see the hopelessness in the eyes of generational welfare recipient would make you stomach turn. This is pure evil. It literally drives the life out of good people and turns them into slaves of the government.
That’s right td, they want your braaaaaaaaaaaains.
Becky
April 10th, 2012
2:39 pm
And Centrist contines talking about himself. If we couldn’t bash td for his antiquated opinions this place would not be worth coming to on a daily basis now would it?
the fake war on women is going to bite the cons in the rear.
Shar
April 10th, 2012
2:44 pm
@Last Lawyer: This is indeed the crux of the medical crisis we are dealing with. With better than 80% of lifetime medical expenditures incurred in the last 18 months of life, we are spending vast resources where they can do the least good in terms of restoring health.
More public money is wasted on self-inflicted damage from substance abuse (including DUI) and unhealthy lifestyle habits such as obesity and smoking. In addition, we pay for the health care of those who do not pay into the system.
It makes for a very difficult policy conundrum. It will become increasingly difficult to persuade taxpayers that our money is being wisely spent on people who cannot or will not guard their own health but we are not socially capable of tolerating large numbers of languishing sick people, and allowing contagious diseases to remain untreated would be a national threat.
Republican hysteria about “death panels” aside, it seems to me that fiscal sanity starts with the individual. People who have knowingly ignored health issues in favor of self-indulgence (excessive drinkers, the obese, smokers, etc) should not qualify for full coverage for maladies stemming from those problems. Medical interventions for terminal patients should likewise not be fully covered; those who really feel that a hip replacement will be worth the cost should be asked to bear some of it. Those who have chosen not to buy insurance should receive treatment but have wages or benefits garnisheed and be required to buy insurance to guard the rest of us from having to pay their bills. Illegal immigrants needing health care should receive it only in their country of origin and only for a specific period of time, and be ineligible for any future care here.
While these may seem cruel, it is past time that individuals were required to take responsibility for their own health spending. Those who pay insurance currently pay for those who do not through cost-shifting, taxation and direct subsidy, as well as paying for their own care. This cannot continue.
honested
April 10th, 2012
2:49 pm
Shar,
Truth.
Or we could move to a civilized central payer system (like France or England) and immediately free up 40% of every dollar currently consumed by the for-profit ‘health care insurers’ and put those dollars to the purpose intended.
It is hard to blame the patients while the parasites are in place far in advance of the patients.
Bernie
April 10th, 2012
2:51 pm
Mullah Rick has finally realized that running for President is not as easy as he thought it would be. The message from the people of Pennsylvania was Rick “Get out or get Embarrassed” by the loss of your own home state. Getting out now allows him some crediability for a future run …again.
td
April 10th, 2012
2:53 pm
honested
April 10th, 2012
2:35 pm
td,
So unless your gross is HUGE the ‘Buffett Rule’ wouldn’t mean diddly to you.
Agree that I do not reach the threshold but hope to one day and do not want to be penalized.
td
April 10th, 2012
2:54 pm
Centrist
April 10th, 2012
2:36 pm
I know but I feel like it is fun some days making them look like fools.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
2:56 pm
@TD – That’s right, the war on women is ‘fake’ when Scott the Idiot repeals Equal Pay for Women.
That’s not even about contraception or ‘religious freedom’ but just generic hatred for women.
No ‘war on women’ indeed.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
2:57 pm
@Becky – Actually I just enjoy insulting Republicans. It would be worth it to me to insult them generically, but I do admit that insulting them by name is more fun.
Centrist
April 10th, 2012
2:57 pm
@ td – Famous (and accurate) quote from George Bernard Shaw: “I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.”
td
April 10th, 2012
2:58 pm
honested
April 10th, 2012
2:37 pm
Any ladies present?
It has been suggested there is no ‘War on Women’.
So just go back to the kitchen and do exactly what your hubby says…….
Wouldn’t want you to get confused and try to think for yourselves.
I am sure you run your household by telling your wife to shut up and get in the kitchen. There is not a family in this country that still has relationships like these and you know it.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
2:58 pm
@Not Centrist – The very fact that you consider yourself ‘centrist’ or ‘thinking’ really proves how far gone down the Tea Hole you really are….
honested
April 10th, 2012
2:58 pm
td,
Somebody hit the gong.
You have identified the ‘holy grail’ of ‘conserrrrrrvative’ misunderstanding’
“I hope to one day and I don’t want to be penalized”.
Or, stated in another fashion, “Dem massa’s can afford it but dey shouldn’t be ‘penalized’ cause deys too important to pay for things”.
td
April 10th, 2012
3:00 pm
Centrist
April 10th, 2012
2:57 pm
LOL, so true. Sometimes the pig gets fat and sassy and has to be slapped around a little and put back in their place.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
3:07 pm
@TD and Centrist – How was that ALEC free lunch you guys got a while ago?
So Not Centrist comes on here, and says he LIKES the Buffet rule and TD doesn’t and that makes Not Centrist MODERATE. Wow.
You know, I read about that in “Ender’s Game” and that book is nearly 40 years old now folks. The Locke/Demonsthenese thing you two have going on is rather pathetic.
Also rather ironic, from a literary perspective, that the two biggest current advocates for the rich are using ‘pigs’ in their anologies…you know…Some Pigs are More Equal Than Others.
The communists said they were defending the people.
The republicans say they’re defending the free market.
Its all the same mechanism to let the vast majority of people suffer. Red is the new/old Red.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
3:11 pm
How about Total Dice (only it isn’t dice…replace it with the first swear word you think of) and Not Straw Man.
They fight. They fight. They fight and fight and fight.
Then they share and share, and share and share and share
The TD and Straw Man Shoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow!
Shar
April 10th, 2012
3:14 pm
@honested: A fair point, and I am among those who believe that a single-payer system would be far better than what we have. However, I am skeptical about that 40% figure – theoretical savings tend to be greatly overstated. Plus, the current level of spending would not be affected, and it really has to be. Shifting at least a part of the fiscal responsibility back to the patient for the kinds of care I mentioned would at least force a more rational approach to health care decisions than the situation referred to by Last Lawyer. And that situation is typical of late-in-life care.
@td: I think of myself as a moderate and I have never registered with a political party. I vote more often for Democrats or Independents than for Republicans, but not by a wide margin. However, the recent attacks by members of the Republican establishment on individual women and on issues that apply exclusively to women have truly made me feel targeted and threatened, as well as showing that Republican policy regards me, my sisters, my daughters and my friends as expendable and utterly unimportant. If you cannot understand that the spectacle of an all-male panel being called by the Republicans to solicit expert testimony on issues relating to women’s access to contraception is offensive, you are not thinking.
Mitch McConnell just claimed again that the Republicans are not waging a war on women and that the five female Republican senators would be “the first to agree.” That is not what they have publicly stated. Lisa Murkowski, speaking to an Alaskan Chamber of Commerce luncheon last weekend, said “It makes no sense to make this attack on women. If you don’t feel this is an attack, you need to go home and talk to your wife and your daughters.”
No, the war on women is not “fake”, despite the best efforts of the male Republican establishment to put words in their female colleagues’ mouths (and that effort is just another example of their chauvinism.) We care that Republicans have mandated invasive vaginal exams for women choosing abortion. We care that men are being handed the power to decide our access to contraception. We care that one party did everything they could to block equal wage legislation while cutting family social programs. We care that the Republican leadership and the nominees for President did not forcefully renounce the sexualized hate speech directed at a woman who disagreed with the male position by the party agent provacateur, Limbaugh.
Trying to tell us that it is “fake”, that we are wrong to feel threatened, is just more proof of Republican insensitivity and another attempt to marginalize us. Either learn to listen to women or accept that your party has and will continue to repel them.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
3:16 pm
@Shar – If you don’t shift some of the responsibility to the individual, studies show they act like idiots. As long as you don’t do it for preventative care that is. Good idea.
Centrist
April 10th, 2012
3:22 pm
O.K. td, you slap them, I’ll continue to ignore them. I only read known offenders’ posts when you copy and reply to them – otherwise when I see the screen name, I skip over them. Makes reading this blog pretty fast. On this page besides your posts, I’ve only read Big Hat, gm, Shar, and Bernie.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
3:25 pm
@Straw man – He says he doesn’t read, but he’s secretly TD2….and TD.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
3:31 pm
“I am not paying attention to you. Lalalalalala, fingers in my ears. I am moderate. I am the Center. I am the Sun King. I am the Pillars of the Earth. NOT looking at you. LALALALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU!”
td
April 10th, 2012
3:40 pm
Shar
April 10th, 2012
3:14 pm
You are misinformed about the entire debate and have bought into the set up liberal spin.
The entire debate was about the government forcing a religious institution into doing something that is against their own religious tenants. You know separation of church and state. I am not a Catholic but it is in there beliefs that we should not be using contraceptives and for the Federal government to mandate that they provide for such things in their coverage is totally unconstitutional. BTW: there has been a case filed and the courts will say the same thing I just said. It is the left that contrived the fake hearing to hear Fluke’s testimony and Rush made a mistake to even comment on it.
There has not been a Republican candidate offer any legislation that would take contraceptives away and you women that think so are being played like a fiddle by the left. Does this make you feel like a fool.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
3:52 pm
@TD1 – That, my friend, is the single biggest load of @#$@#$ I’ve ever seen you say.
Seriously.
This is NOT about Freedom of religion and only a contard would think that. Do you seriously think women are that stupid?
I guess you do which is why you keep repeating the same contard spin.
Well the poll numbers speak for themselves. The women ain’t buying what you’re selling.
Even Rasmussen.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
3:56 pm
@Shar – When a religion acts like a business, it doesn’t get religious protections any more. Hospitals are not religious institutions, churches are. Yes, they can own churches but the first amendment does not protect everything otherwise I’d start a religion that would let me do a lot of very interesting things.
Republicans know this. The American Council of Catholic Bishops is the most politicized it has ever been in the entire history of the United States. This whole thing is an attempt by Republicans to play the martyr card and say that your catholic boss can impose his beliefs on how you get your insurance, your birth control or whether or not you can have an abortion…which is really just about controlling women.
td
April 10th, 2012
4:00 pm
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
3:52 pm
Well looks liked I have been fooled. I thought you were a little more informed and intelligent and you have just proven me wrong. I guess you did not see the hearings and chose not to educate yourself. I think Centrist is correct when he said some of you are not even worth the effort.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
4:00 pm
@TD1 – Read it and weep. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/10/1082201/-Yup-That-gender-gap-is-real-19-20-points-real
You can fool some of the people all of the time (people like you as mesmerized by your Foxmasters).
You can fool all of the people some of the time (We still live in a democracy…)
But you cannot fool all of the people, all of the time. (There is no war on women.)
Keep on smokin that crack pipe though. You’re gonna get clobbered in every part of the country but the Stupid South.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
4:02 pm
@TD – I saw those ‘hearings’ and I am very much aware of Issa’s refusal to allow Democrats to bring in their witnesses to counter the parade of Bull Santorum they had come before the committee.
And, please TD….just to clarify…I never CARED if I was worth the effort. You are a Republican. Therefore you are a dining room table. Therefore incapable of reason.
I am, I assure you, infinitely more educated than you are…including, more than likely, about your own demonic positions.
td
April 10th, 2012
4:13 pm
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
4:02 pm
@TD – I saw those ‘hearings’ and I am very much aware of Issa’s refusal to allow Democrats to bring in their witnesses to counter the parade of Bull Santorum they had come before the committee
“This is NOT about Freedom of religion and only a contard would think that. Do you seriously think women are that stupid? ”
So you just admitted to telling on big fat lie instead of being stupid. Typical socialist elitist response. When your intelligence is being questions admit to being a liar. That narcissism must be h3ll to deal with on a daily basis. BBBaaaahahahahaha
Shar
April 10th, 2012
4:20 pm
@td: You are not hearing me. I am fully capable of understanding the issues at hand – and I can even spell them correctly.
You do not address forced vaginal ultrasounds, because they are indefensible. You do not address the appalling sight of a Catholic priest invited to sit in an all-male panel to provide expert testimony on women’s access to contraceptives – or the disgusting hypocrisy of erectile drugs arriving at the market with mandatory coverage in insurance plans while women’s contraceptives are still being argued, as Olympia Snowe put it, “in a retro-50’s debate.” You do not address the Republican effort to stop the equal pay legislation while they strip family benefits. Sandra Fluke’s testimony was not allowed by the same Republicans who invited in Catholic priests, so Democratic women had to hold a separate hearing -which you denounce as “fake” and I regard as necessary – to solicit women’s perspective on the issue. Limbaugh’s subsequent vitriolic attack, his three-day rampage against a woman who disagreed with his position, could not have been weakly dismissed (”Rush made a mistake to even comment on it” – is that really all you can say about a direct untrue and hysterical attack on a fellow citizen?) by anyone who respects women or anyone who is interested in their concerns. Would you expect Republicans to be equally milquetoast about, say, flag burners?
Suggesting that I would “feel like a fool” for having real fears of what Republicans would do to my rights given unfettered control of Congress and the Presidency is exactly the kind of arrogance and insensitivity that is fueling women’s feeling of being under attack. I am a long way from a fool, and being called one (particularly by someone who cannot spell) is only more evidence that you neither respect me or have concerns about what is important to me. This is what is driving women away from the Republican Party. You and your party chiefs need to be very sure that this is what you want to have happen, or you need to change your approach very fast and very convincingly.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
4:21 pm
…..Yawn. Seriously?
You’re just going to call me a socialist and then say, “What you said isn’t true. What I said is.”
LOL.
Notice, folks, how he doesn’t say anything about the fact that Issa basically railroaded the farce of these hearings without letting any opposition testimony.
Can you imagine, moderate cows, what the Republicans would do if the Democrats didn’t let them call witnesses?
IOKIYAR.
When Democrats begin to have the balls of Republicans, then we’ll see real results.
I’m not holding my breath.
Is It Fair?
April 10th, 2012
5:17 pm
Centrist @ 1:38pm;
Indeed you’re right, however, I should have – but obviously could not – have copied and pasted the entire Opinion piece. Since I am a subscriber I do get the web edition so it may be interesting to you to read the OP-ED piece in its entirety:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203918304577241513296604128.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
5:19 pm
Because when you think First, Fair and Accurate, you think the WSJ opinion page.
Fair and balanced since Never. Not Even With Hell Freezing.
Is It Fair?
April 10th, 2012
5:22 pm
Is It Fair? (#11)
…that those of us who took out responsible mortgages and pay them each month (on time) have to see their tax dollars used to subsidize those who acted recklessly, greedily and sometimes deceitfully in taking out mortgages they now cannot afford to repay?
Is It Fair?
April 10th, 2012
5:25 pm
ABVM: Suppose you enlighten me and suggest a “fair and balanced” media. BSNBC? CNN? The Ed Show? Bill Mahar? The New York Slimes? Washington Post? yeah…all solidly in the tank for your Savior. WSJ is one of the few that will at least print the “other side of the story”. sport.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 10th, 2012
5:33 pm
@ITF – People who let War Criminals get away are not ‘my savior.’
Re: Mortgages – I am 100% in favor of prosecuting every government official and businessman who let them get away with it, those involved in the settlement that let them get away with it and those that failed to prosecute it.
Re: Media. MSNBC is corporate garbage. Maddow is fairly enlightened, the rest have their moments but are still sometimes nice to Republicans.
Bill Maher is an entertainer but has useful points of information. He really attacks Republicans which makes him somewhat useful.
The New York Times helped start the Iraq War, is helping to go after Wikileaks and are generally the holes of the symbol of democrats. No, they are totally corporate sell outs.
The Washington Post gets it right sometimes but has an awful lot of contards on staff.
Here is a hint: The more you like it, the less likely it is to be meaningful.
ld
April 10th, 2012
6:25 pm
For the terminally ill, unless there is a cure or the patient is willing to take part in a test of a possible cure, then the priority should be keeping the patient pain free–not inflicting more pain with major surgeries, including replacing body parts.
It is astounding to me that the party that professes to be so “religious” cannot “In God…Trust” when it comes to medicine, especially when they near the end of their lives–but maybe that is fear of h3ll.
Aaron Burr V. Mexico
April 10th, 2012
7:49 pm
@LD – They do. Seriously. Look at their posts. They are actually seriously hurt and quietly enraged at the mockery they receive…especially since, quite frankly, lacking empathy their humor is just awful, and on some level beneath the repeated layers of denial, they know it too.
Tom
April 10th, 2012
8:25 pm
What we need to do is Get America back to GOD, and get a Christian that loves Jesus to run our country.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
April 11th, 2012
9:43 am
@Tom – Because that’s not Obama right?
You can tell a lot about a person based on their God.
Yeah, there is only supposed to be one God, but everyone seems to have their own vision of what He is.
But given the fact that a Republican God basically hates the poor, hates compassion and favors the rich; you have to reinterpret any common sense reading of the Bible so much that basically only the lucky could hope to use it for salvation.
And what does it say about a God that requires you to just basically get a lucky guess on your salvation? Predestination?
I have no use for such a God.
My God is Jesus. Not Monty Haul.