Southern Baptist leader: Jesus wouldn’t like health care panels

On C-SPAN this morning, Richard Land, president of that arm of the Southern Baptist Convention that concerns itself with national issue, was asked by a caller to justify his opposition to President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul.

Said Land:

”I don’t think Jesus would support the rationing panels that are in place for Obamacare. I’m getting letters every day – every day – from people who are already being rationed care since the new head of Medicare came in. They’re being told if they have terminal conditions, they can’t get treatment for other diseases.

“Even Mr. Obama said that perhaps it wasn’t the best allocation of resources to give his grandmother, who was dying of cancer, a hip replacement. So I guess she can hobble around in terrible pain with a bad hip while she was dying of cancer. I don’t think that’s very Christian, ma’am.”

The president’s grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, died of cancer at age 86 in 2008, two days before her grandson’s election victory. Following her diagnosis, she had a hip replaced. Months later, in a New York Times magazine article, Obama wondered out loud whether high-cost operations for the terminally ill could be justified as “sustainable” public policy:

”I don’t know how much that hip replacement cost. I would have paid out of pocket for that hip replacement just because she’s my grandmother. Whether, sort of in the aggregate, society making those decisions to give my grandmother, or everybody else’s aging grandparents or parents, a hip replacement when they’re terminally ill is a sustainable model, is a very difficult question. If somebody told me that my grandmother couldn’t have a hip replacement and she had to lie there in misery in the waning days of her life — that would be pretty upsetting.”

The problem, the president continued, is that not everyone can pay for a hip replacement out-of-pocket:

“… So that’s where I think you just get into some very difficult moral issues. But that’s also a huge driver of cost, right?

“I mean, the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here.”

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On the same topic, Attorney General Sam Olens said Monday that Republicans need to have their ducks in a row if and when the U.S. Supreme Court issues its ruling on the new health care law. From the Augusta Chronicle:

“Let’s assume we win the case. The Republican Party better have a bill that’s immediately filed to improve health care in this country or it will be detrimental in the November election.”

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The Athens Banner-Herald reports that prominent Democrats, including Mayor Nancy Denson, are funneling money to Regina Quick, who’s mounting a GOP primary challenge to state Rep. Doug McKillip.

McKillip, a former Democrat, sponsored this year’s aggressive anti-abortion bill, which shortens the period during which a woman can seek to end her pregnancy. From the newspaper:

Denson gave Quick $500 on Feb. 22, according a campaign finance disclosure filed last week with the Georgia Government Transparency and Campaign Finance Commission….
McKillip angered Democrats by switching parties in 2010 and other elected officials by pushing a controversial Athens-Clarke Commission redistricting plan.

Republican former mayor and Athens Area Chamber of Commerce President Doc Eldridge, who has publicly feuded with McKillip over redistricting, and Democratic former state Sen. Doug Haines also contributed to Quick’s campaign, as did a number of her fellow lawyers and some Republican activists.

During the same C-SPAN session, Land also suggested that likely GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney could name U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio as his running mate, as a means of “pivoting” on the illegal immigration issue — and proposing a comprehensive reform package.

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The New York Times this morning dissects the false Internet rumor about an indictment that, 10 days ago, sent South Carolina’s governor scrambling:

It took only two minutes. An unfounded report on a little-known blog claiming that Gov. Nikki R. Haley was about to be indicted rocketed from South Carolina political circles into national circulation, along the way becoming the latest lesson in the perils of an instantaneous news culture.

The item’s rapid journey from hearsay to mainstream journalism, largely via Twitter, forced Ms. Haley to rush to defend herself against a false rumor. And it left news organizations facing a new round of questions about accountability and standards in the fast and loose “retweets do not imply endorsement” ethos of today’s political journalism.

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The AJC’s Politifact Georgia this morning takes a look at state Agriculture Commissioner Gary Black’s defense of “lean, finely textured beef” – pejoratively known as “pink slime.”

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172 comments Add your comment

Jerome Horwitz

April 10th, 2012
9:41 am

Jesus doesn’t like those who bear false witness either………

This is a good point for discussion on the future of medical care in this country. With scarce resourses is ti a godd decision to provide certain medical services to the treminally ill. On one hand you can’t compain about high costs if you don’t want to review certain treatments. Just a cruel fact of life. You can’t have everything.

Nice to have the ear of the Lord

April 10th, 2012
9:42 am

Have to love the Southern Baptists, they know what Jesus would or wouldn’t like. I don’t think he would like guns, but what do I know I don’t have his ear like the good ole Southern Baptists.

Aaron Burr V Mexico

April 10th, 2012
9:52 am

I can think of a whole lot of other things Jesus probably wouldn’t like too…many of which he ACTUALLY talked about.

Mixing politics and religion.
Hypocrites.
Lying.
Obsessing over tiny tiny tiny little stupid things while ignoring the suffering.
Using his name to say ‘medical panels’ are bad, while failing to preach against your demonic congregation that wants to cut care for the poor
Racists
Adulterers
Glorifying hate

The list goes on and on. The so called “Christians” of the South are anything but.

deegee

April 10th, 2012
9:54 am

Aren’t high doses of morphine prescribed for people with terminal cancer? Wouldn’t morphine dull the pain of a bad hip? I am all for hip replacements for healthy people; but, how does someone who is terminally ill heal from hip replacement surgery?

My mother was recently diagnosed with a defect in her heart. The doctor told her that the only way to fix it was with heart surgery. He said he wouldn’t do it on someone in their 80’s. What’s wrong with that?

Centrist

April 10th, 2012
10:05 am

Journalism is an old fashioned word that no longer fits liberal bias, creative editing, and reporting of unfounded rumors.

On a subject not yet mentioned here, but touched upon by Olens concerning Republicans – the “Buffet rule” is scheduled for a Senate vote later this month and will probably be filibustered. If implemented, it would impose a 30 percent federal tax rate on annual income over $1 million. Proponents argue that the rule should be passed in the interest of fairness, while opponents note it will barely dent deficits/debt. Both sides are correct – but self interested Republicans are making a HUGE mistake in giving this campaign issue to Democrats. Self interested Democrats can get a free ride in voting for this plan which they know will not pass. Note that almost or maybe all U.S. Senators would be hit by this “fairness” tax. Watch for those Senators up for re-election to vote for it as long as they know others not up for re-election will cover for them, voting against it.

Ashley Dawson

April 10th, 2012
10:05 am

Why in the world would anybody take their marching orders from these Baptist hypocrites or that man in Rome who wears the funny hat. There is a lot of things Jesus wouldn’t be happy about, starting with organized religion and the malfeasance that goes on behind the walls of these so-call churches and religious institution.

findog

April 10th, 2012
10:06 am

Why would anyone follow what this bozo says?
Jesus would prefer that the GOP raise taxes to pay for medical care for the old and poor; since he knows they will never cut defense to allow for other functions of government to be fully funded.
Jesus would probably prefer for Christian’s to stick to his teaching instead of trying to align him with one political party over the other…

GaBlue

April 10th, 2012
10:06 am

Jesus probably would not have asked for an insurance card and co-pay up front before healing the sick either.

deegee

April 10th, 2012
10:09 am

You can buy a decent meat grinder for home use for about $50.00. If you want to avoid pink slime, buy a chuck roast and grind it yourself. It’s not that difficult.

Maybe the whole pink slime issue will force parents to think twice about feeding meat that is full of steroids, antibiotics and ecoli to their children. And you thought that diarrhea you had was just a little tummy virus. Think about it.

Aaron Burr V Mexico

April 10th, 2012
10:11 am

@Not Centrist – Much like the word Centrist apparently since just about anyone can claim to use it, no matter how far to the right they are.

Your point re: Buffet Rule is a good one, and I agree with you but you fail to comprehend how utterly and totally incompetent the democrats actually are. They have barely managed to get their head out of their symbol long enough to get that preaching 99 vs 1 is a good idea, but actual facts or pointing out of Republican inconsistencies is MEAN.

GaBlue

April 10th, 2012
10:14 am

Doug McKillip made the mistake of enlisting in the War on Women. He’s proud to wear an officer’s uniform and take orders from self-appointed judges who, though they lack medical degrees, have decided that they are qualified and justified to make medical decisions for women they’ve never met.

Doug McKillip will realize his mistake.

deegee

April 10th, 2012
10:24 am

Paul Ryan was making the talk show rounds this morning. I listened to him defend his budget plan. He keeps saying that the elimination of “some” tax credits and deductions will compensate for the big reduction in tax rates for the wealthy. He skated over the measly cuts in the Defense budget.

The fundamental problem is that we just witnessed one of the most egregious money grabs in modern times. The wealthy bankers prospered while their clients were thrown out of their homes. The economy was wrecked by the same people that Paul Ryan believes will “raise the boat” for everyone. The middle class is still stuck on the boat in some rocky water. People aren’t buying the old aspirational tax policy argument any more.

Wally

April 10th, 2012
10:32 am

Jesus would def open up a can of whoop-arse on BlueCross/BlueShield if he ever had to talk to their customer service dept.

GET REAL

April 10th, 2012
10:38 am

Didn’t these rationing panels exist at Medicare during the Bush administration? In fact, didn’t they exist in every prior administration — Democrat and Republican — before? Are the current “panelists” less Christian or less Godly than panelists who made these decisions under Republican administrations? Why all this sudden concern by Southern Baptists about rationing of healthcare? Could it be because Obama happens to be Black and a Democrat? If Mitt Romney is elected our next President will he cut these panels from Medicare’s day-to-day operations? Did he cut these same kind of panels that surely exist under the healthcare plan he crerated for the Commonwealth of Massachusettes?

Becky

April 10th, 2012
10:40 am

Jesus is very unhappy about Baptists and their cringeworthy teaching. She told me so herself.

In all seriousness, the Baptist leaders have forced more folks away from their “religion” than anyone else.

Becky

April 10th, 2012
10:41 am

Please provide an address for campaign donations for Ms. Quick.

Wallis T. Coper

April 10th, 2012
10:42 am

he wood be a memmer of the tea party, an wood not allow oboma an his puppits to redisbute all the wite peoples welth

Becky

April 10th, 2012
10:45 am

wallis-if you were truly illiterate you would have misspelled tea party

Becky

April 10th, 2012
10:50 am

I would encourage the Santorum family to provide a copy of the check they wrote for their daughter’s recent hospital stay. She obviously has a pre-existing condition so I doubt she has health insurance, perhaps her father’s insurance is paying for her?

Aaron Burr V Mexico

April 10th, 2012
10:52 am

Aaron Burr V Mexico

April 10th, 2012
10:54 am

Here is the address listed for her so far: Georgia Republican Party
706.543.9925
1515 S. Lumpkin Street #222
Athens, GA 30605

I would suggest calling Nancy Denson (http://www.nancydensonformayor.com/) Quick does not yet seem to have a site.

Aaron Burr V Mexico

April 10th, 2012
10:54 am

Note: That address seems to be the local GOP party office.

Becky

April 10th, 2012
10:58 am

Thanks for the address.

The simple fact that Land was on c-span putting forth his agenda is ample proof there is no separation of church and state and his church should lose its tax exempt status.

honested

April 10th, 2012
11:07 am

McKillip thought he was on the path to be governor, I mean in the last dozen years, all one needed to do was display incompetence and flip parties and voila’, higher office beckons.

honested

April 10th, 2012
11:10 am

Becky,

How did we get to a point where any ‘business’ that happens to express a few homilies on Sunday and still somehow be exempt from taxation as well as regulation?

Wallis T. Coper

April 10th, 2012
11:12 am

TO BECKY: i am not illerate, gradated 1961, an before you was borned, me must sport sara palen an the tea party to take are contry back

Becky

April 10th, 2012
11:12 am

honested-I’m not sure but if I start preaching at my home more than I do already, can it become tax exempt?

Becky

April 10th, 2012
11:14 am

wallis-you obviously went to a state school, maybe UGA?

zeke

April 10th, 2012
11:16 am

judging by land’s girth and dress, this guy wouldn’t know rationing if it bit him in the arse….what a huckster

Becky

April 10th, 2012
11:17 am

Why would a tax exempt entity expect police and fire coverage, the road to their building paved and maintained, electrical wiring from street to building? Us taxpayers are paying for this! Why aren’t the tea partiers calling them out on this?

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will crush the heads of the perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions

April 10th, 2012
11:22 am

I agree with Richard Land. It’s not very Christian to tell a child of God Almighty or, for that matter, a child of the devil that they can’t get treatment for other diseases because of a terminal illness. In other words, the supporters of Obamacare believe treatment for other diseases is a waste of money because you are dying anyway.

As for Obama “nem”, I don’t pay any attention to that confused bunch e.g. in addition to Obamacare, an insignificant black group of Obama supporters wants war in America. Let me remind you that they don’t produce guns, ammunitions, medicine, bandages, hospitals, or any of the necessities of war or life in general. Either this bunch works for the dark side of the CIA or they are begging to be housed at The United States Penitentiary, Administrative Maximum Facility ADX or Supermax.

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ wouldn’t support the rationing death panels that are in place for Obamacare or the stupidity of war suggested by Obama “nem.” If I remember correctly, Jesus said the thief is among us to steal, kill, and destroy but he came to give us life and that we would have it more abundantly.

Amen?

Wallis T. Coper

April 10th, 2012
11:23 am

well no it, was in newton alabama, an was a good school were kids was not waring pants down an smoking crack on wellfare

GaBlue

April 10th, 2012
11:25 am

Becky @ 11:17,

AMEN! I no longer support organized religion, but I have no problem with others worshiping as they choose. However, these churches, especially the big ones, are in every practical sense corporations that avail themselves of the advantages of our government. They should pay their fair share, and then they won’t have to pretend to be non-partisan!

Wallis T. Coper

April 10th, 2012
11:30 am

TO GA BLUE: do you mean the black church must pay too, or he will stay on wellfare?? you can mark, my words things or not in, the rite deretion with this contry, an everone an blacks to must pay fare share an get off the wellfare, amen?

jed

April 10th, 2012
11:32 am

jesus would’ve self-insured and stuck the govt. with the bill.

W.T. Sherman IV

April 10th, 2012
11:33 am

Bring the good old bugle, boys, we’ll sing another song
Sing it with a spirit that will start the world along
Sing it as we used to sing it, 50,000 strong[5]
While we were marching through Georgia.

Hurrah! Hurrah! we bring the jubilee![6]
Hurrah! Hurrah! the flag that makes you free!
So we sang the chorus from Atlanta to the sea
While we were marching through Georgia.

How the darkeys shouted when they heard the joyful sound
How the turkeys gobbled which our commissary found
How the sweet potatoes even started from the ground
While we were marching through Georgia.

Yes and there were Union men who wept with joyful tears,
When they saw the honored flag they had not seen for years;
Hardly could they be restrained from breaking forth in cheers,
While we were marching through Georgia.

“Sherman’s dashing Yankee boys will never reach the coast!”
So the saucy rebels said and ’twas a handsome boast
Had they not forgot, alas! to reckon with the Host
While we were marching through Georgia.

So we made a thoroughfare for freedom and her train,
Sixty miles in latitude, three hundred to the main;
Treason fled before us, for resistance was in vain
While we were marching through Georgia.

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will crush the heads of the perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions

April 10th, 2012
11:39 am

To Obama “nem”: Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was the model revolutionary. He was able to produce a culture to challenge the example of the wicked and perverted. If you are able to feed, clothe, shelter, employ, and educate black people etc, it is the perfect example of a revolutionary.

The example presented in the media of what a revolutionary is i.e. guns blazing, bombs dropping, etc is a perversion absent of enemies threatening the model example.

Amen?

Aaron Burr V Mexico

April 10th, 2012
11:42 am

Every day I see the behavior of the people in this state, I think a little more that Sherman had the right idea.

Step 1) Congress accepts seccession vote from Georgia from before the civil war by simple majority.
2) Federal election confirming that they want to seceed.
3) Exempt Blue areas as Federal protectorates (like Atlanta)
4) Let Georgia become its own nation.
5) Wait for ANY georgia politician to pull a Perry (”They’d better behave or we’ll show them our guns!”)
6) Declare this a terrorist threat.
7) Declare war on Georgia.
8) As a price of victory devolve Georgia to permanent protectorate/federal territory status.
9) Place all Republicans in reservations. They will be forced to marched to these. Andrew Jackson had the right idea, just the wrong people.
10) Supply the Republicans plenty of heroin and alcohol. Randomly take their land if anything remotely useful is found on it and move them to somewhere worse.

Aaron Burr V Mexico

April 10th, 2012
11:44 am

How’s that for ‘Framing’ moderates? Makes income tax seem pretty tame by comparison really.

Neo Conservatives are going to be the end of us

April 10th, 2012
11:44 am

So the Southern Baptist leader who has taken over the GOP wants us to spend unlimited amounts of money on health care (for hip replacements for the dying) while using the power of the federal government to order other churches/denominations not to conduct same sex weddings.

And this is defined as freedom how? The Republican Party has ironically lost is soul to a nutty preacher.

jed

April 10th, 2012
11:44 am

10) somewhere worse would be Florida…

Aaron Burr V Mexico

April 10th, 2012
11:50 am

Personally I’d say Wyoming, but Florida does lend itself to possibilities….

Marlboro Man

April 10th, 2012
11:52 am

Jesus had no fear in death, can’t say that about most Americans or health care would have little market to pillage.

Aaron Burr V Mexico

April 10th, 2012
11:54 am

@Marlboro – Nothing wrong with not fearing death.

Encouraging people to accept death so the rich can have lower taxes is pretty demonic however.

Talk about “Screwtape Letters….”

Not saying YOU are saying that…only that is what Republicans might say.

Marlboro Man

April 10th, 2012
12:01 pm

ABVM – One thing you are right about is that is NOT what I am saying.

Shar

April 10th, 2012
12:08 pm

I wonder if Land’s position would be changed if the SBC did indeed have to pay the taxes that fund medical treatments like hip replacements for the terminally ill. Seems as though Jesus would tell him it’s not terribly Christian to hoard all his organization’s money and not help to soothe the ill (even if you can’t heal them).

I also wonder what the insurance coverage for such treatments are in the SBC’s own insurance policy……

Hypocrisy is a two way street

April 10th, 2012
12:13 pm

All these folks on thisw blog criticizing Preacher Richard Landfor telling what he thinks Jesus’ attitude would be on rationing health care and then giving their own opinions about what position Jesus would take? What a bunch of hypocrites! They are trying to speak for Jesus on an issue just like Land? Wonder what Jesus would think about that? Hope He doesn’t comment as it could be rough! I am sure some of you know it alls will tell me. My opinion? Run all the money changers on both sides out of the Temple!

Jimmy Carter Jones

April 10th, 2012
12:25 pm

Jim Gallaway is a hack for the democratic party.

Obama Supporter

April 10th, 2012
12:27 pm

Obama is the greatest president ever…as long as he and I share the same skin color…he can do no wrong.

Tax payer

April 10th, 2012
12:29 pm

The earned income tax credit is for DEAD BEAT DEMOCRATS!