On hiding politicians who violate ethics laws
Updated at 11:10 p.m.: This was just posted by my AJC colleague James Salzer:
A couple of years ago they changed the name of the Georgia Ethics Commission to the Government Transparency Commission. Tonight the Senate passed a last-minute amendment that allows the “transparency” commission to seal the records in some cases against politicians and delay reporting some violations. Nothing like the 40th day – and night – of a session at the Georgia Capitol
Find the largesse in HB 875, a fishing license bill.
Updated at 10:07p.m.: In very volatile speech, state Sen. Steve Thompson, D-Marietta, all but accused House Majority Leader Larry O’Neal, R-Bonaire, of collusion with banks to block a bill – SB 448 – that would free some developers in Georgia of making good on loan guarantees that are sold by banks to other lenders.
A compromise was eventually reached, contained in SB 129. But not before Thompson had his say. “I hope they pay for it one day. Because they’re fixing to ruin some people who built our state,” Thompson said. “I haven’t called a name. if you can’t figure it out, come see me.”
Thompson noted that the House majority leader – i.e., O’Neal – was on the board of directors of a major bank in Georgia. He also raised O’Neal’s role in the passage of a tax exemption passed for his client, then Gov. Sonny Perdue a few years ago.
We have no way of getting in touch with O’Neal as we write this, but invite comments from him or his friends.
Updated at 7:45 p.m.: The House Rules Committee just stripped out the sections of SB 469 that would ban demonstrations at or near private dwellings, in order to permit the bill to come to a vote tonight.
The remaining portion of the bill requires unionized employees to renew annually permission to deduct dues from their paychecks. The bill exempts educators, law enforcement and – with yet another amendment – firefighters. Debate will be limited to one hour, but passage is likely.
Union forces here aren’t pleased, but say the remaining provisions of SB 469 are likely to be moot, since they run afoul of federal requirements.
The Georgia Chamber of Commerce sends this, from spokeswoman Joselyn Baker:
“Based on our work with legal experts and the US Chamber, we believe that the other two provisions you refer to – workplace notice and paycheck protection – will be legally upheld if challenged.”
The anti-protest provision of SB 469 originally included only union activities – but nonetheless resulted in an odd alliance of labor organizations and tea party forces. “Sometimes the good guys win,” said Debbie Dooley of Atlanta Tea Party Patriots.
Updated at 7:10 p.m.: Here’s what we’re told is the deal intended resolve the passage of HB 954, the bill to shorten the period during which a woman can seek an abortion:
The House will agree to the Senate amendments protecting doctors against civil suits, and offering an exemption for “medically futile” pregnancies. But yet another amendment would require that before a fetus is declared non-viable, a woman would have to seek out a second opinion.
Original:Two pieces of hot legislation just got a last chance in the final hours of this legislative session.
SB 469, the bill that now bans all protests at private dwellings, has been recommitted to the House Rules Committee, which gathers at 7 p.m.
More important, HB 954, the bill to shorten the period during which a woman can seek an abortion, is now going to a House-Senate conference committee. House conferees are Doug McKillip, R-Athens, the bill’s sponsor; House Appropriations Chairman Terry England, R-Auburn; and Donna Sheldon, R-Dacula.
Both bills will likely be racing against a settlement on HB 347, the bill that will determine how Georgia repays the federal government $780 million borrowed for unemployment benefits.
When that bill passes, the Legislature will be in a mood to go home.
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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187 comments Add your comment
quake
March 29th, 2012
6:52 pm
I’m in the mood for them to go home right now.
bronson
March 29th, 2012
7:01 pm
It is astounding that these people are actually elected in the 21st century in a U.S. state. It would be more understandable if they were in Afghanistan, where the Taliban’s style of rule is expected.
True Conservative
March 29th, 2012
7:16 pm
Right on the money, Bronson!
td
March 29th, 2012
7:31 pm
Waste of time because any abortion is still murder. It does not matter if it is at 20 weeks or right before the child comes out of the womb. We either believe that all human life has inalienable rights or none of us do.
ByteMe
March 29th, 2012
7:41 pm
We either believe that all human life has inalienable rights or none of us do.
Nonsense. Let us know when you consider an acorn an oak tree.
What a waste of taxpayer resources to defend a stupid law that SCOTUS will slap it down as an overreach. Legislators playing OB/GYNs without a license.
Ashley Dawson
March 29th, 2012
7:50 pm
Nice to see that these idiots think babysitting a female womb is more important than the lousy Georgia economy, the pathetic educational system and horrible infrastructure in this state. Glad to see they have their priorities straight.
Tom
March 29th, 2012
7:54 pm
Would the second opinion have to be that of an aging male legislator?
Bennie
March 29th, 2012
8:02 pm
How about a seedling…is that an oak tree? What a silly mindles analogy to try to fob off as an actual thought. You have been in your own liberal monoculture hothouse for far too long. Only a mouth breathing moron would pass off a child as an acorn as though such a stupid thought were persuasive or even relevant.
Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?.....
March 29th, 2012
8:04 pm
I am personally not all that fond of abortion likely would not lose much sleep at night if it were completely outlawed.
Seeing as though the virtually the only abortions that take place after 20 weeks are for medically-necessary procedures, passage of HB 954 with exceptions for medically-futile pregnancies, pregnancies with complications that threaten the health and life of the mother and exceptions for rape and incest is more than acceptable, though I fully agree that passage of an anti-abortion bill should be far from the first priority in the Legislature.
I also understand that this is an election year and promoting a pro-life plank is a very important issue on the right side of the political spectrum in Republican primaries, especially those in districts and localities dominated by definitively conservative interests.
td
March 29th, 2012
8:12 pm
ByteMe
March 29th, 2012
7:41 pm
I will bet you right now that the law will not even be challenged. NOW, planned parenthood and the left are scared to death to bring an abortion issue before this particular court.
Bridgette Raitz
March 29th, 2012
8:18 pm
It takes two OB’s to decide if a pregnancy is non-viable? Are they planning to let the state of GA pay for the second opinion, along with the legal bill to defend a law sure to be challenged and overturned?
I think we should recall or certainly not re-elect representatives who care less about improving conditions for all Georgians, rather than pleasing far right zealots. Have the number of abortions performed between 20-26 weeks skyrocketed? Compare it to the priorities of jobs, Ga education. Vote them out
td
March 29th, 2012
8:24 pm
Bridgette Raitz
March 29th, 2012
8:18 pm
Since you read these blogs on the AJC and not the actual legislation in the Georgia Legislature then it is easy to see how you can think there was no bills addressing infrastructure and education. As far as the economy goes, unemployment is dropping and the governor has brought several large corporations into Atlanta. BTW: The government does not create jobs!!!!
Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?.....
March 29th, 2012
8:32 pm
Bridgette Raitz
March 29th, 2012
8:18 pm
“Have the number of abortions performed between 20-26 weeks skyrocketed?”
No, they have not.
But the Republicans who dominate and rule the Georgia General Assembly are under increasing political pressure from pro-life forces who are increasingly unhappy that the Legislature has not passed any anti-abortion bills since 2005.
Liberals and moderates can say what they want about legislative action on abortion, but Georgia is a state dominated by the Republican Party for whom abortion matters are a very big deal for a solid 60% of the party. Georgia is a culturally conservative state overall and restricting and outlawing abortion will always be an issue at one time or another.
CC23
March 29th, 2012
8:40 pm
@ td “BTW: The government does not create jobs!!!!”
BTW: The government is the largest employer in the United States. In fact, the US Dept of Defense alone is the single largest employer in the world.
td
March 29th, 2012
8:43 pm
CC23
March 29th, 2012
8:40 pm
OK then I guess you will agree that we should cut off welfare to people and build some more F-22’s.
CC23
March 29th, 2012
8:52 pm
Not sure what your point is…. I was simply noting it is factually untrue that the largest employer in the world doesn’t create jobs.
Bridgette Raitz
March 29th, 2012
9:26 pm
td My point was that the legislature had other more pressing priorities than what they are currently spending so much time arguing. Seems to be a national problem for the GOP as well. If this amended version of HB 954 passes, ti will cost Georgia millions to defend it in court before it is overturned. Money well spent? I doubt the majority of voters, including moderate Republicans, would agree.
John
March 29th, 2012
9:30 pm
ByteMe – that acorn becomes an oak tree when something fertilizes it and it splits cells; Becomes a seedling – then a sapling. Ultimately it matures into an oak tree.
So – tell me- when does it become an oak tree??
Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?.....
March 29th, 2012
9:37 pm
Bridgette Raitz
March 29th, 2012
9:26 pm
“td My point was that the legislature had other more pressing priorities than what they are currently spending so much time arguing. Seems to be a national problem for the GOP as well. If this amended version of HB 954 passes, ti will cost Georgia millions to defend it in court before it is overturned. Money well spent? I doubt the majority of voters, including moderate Republicans, would agree.”
No, it is very definitely NOT money well spent as the Georgia Legislature doesn’t seem to know the definition of “money well spent”, except when it comes to being a jobs program for lawyers, who seem to get a lot of work off of the Georgia General Assembly these days.
Could it be that in addition to the Legislature being dominated by lawyers, that lawyers and high-profile law firms are amongst those that can be counted amongst the ranks of lobbyists that woo legislators with tens-of-thousands of dollars in money and gifts every session?
Could that be the reason why we see so-much legislation that is likely to be challenged in federal court?
No way!
Bridgette Raitz
March 29th, 2012
9:41 pm
Could be……and thank you for the civil comment.
td
March 29th, 2012
9:44 pm
Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?…..
March 29th, 2012
9:37 pm
We have had approximately 1,0000,0000 souls lost in the Iraq and Afghanistan war. Many of these were little babies! Yet I will suck off the legislators and war mongols that condone this behavior by our troops. I will support Sgt. Bales, but I cannot support a woman making a personal decision! It is murder!
Cutty
March 29th, 2012
9:45 pm
Ga GOP= Pro-Life until you’re born!
Bill
March 29th, 2012
9:45 pm
Td. Do us all a favor and go hang yourself!
Real Athens
March 29th, 2012
9:56 pm
TD:
Government created Nathan Deal’s job.
ld
March 29th, 2012
9:57 pm
second opinion?
Religious nuts are trying to price the poor out of the abortion option–
yet they don’t want to pay the medical bills of the poor –
nor do they way to help with the costs of raising a baby–
and, if she’s single, they’ll condemn her on ‘moral’ for having it.
The word I would like to use to describe these “lawmakers” would be censored.
ld
March 29th, 2012
10:01 pm
Someone check the fine print and see if the doctors that decide the fetus is not viable must be male chauvinist pigs — apologies to pigs.
Buckhead Boy
March 29th, 2012
10:05 pm
td: “war mongols”
Is that a Mongolian warmonger or a Mongoloid warrior?
bronson
March 29th, 2012
10:12 pm
The politicians, democrats or republicans, aren’t really concerned about any issue beyond the lining of their own pockets. Remember Deal was a democrat until the republicans figured out the right buttons to push, and he no choice, if he wanted to keep a place at the feed trough. They are all confidence men who play the citizens like a fiddle. The last thing they want is an educated and informed electorate, and so far, they are right on target.
Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?.....
March 29th, 2012
10:15 pm
td
March 29th, 2012
9:44 pm
As undesirable as the practice of abortion may be, there are still circumstances where it unfortunately is still necessary, especially in cases of difficult and medically-futile pregnancies that pose a threat to the life of the mother.
I understand that your convictions make the practice unacceptable to you personally and I very much respect that of you and the pro-life movement, that you are willing to fight for your convictions, sometime to the death.
But as undesirable of a practice or procedure as abortion may be, there’s no way that an argument could be reasonably made that a woman should be forced to carry to term a baby that will either risk her life, jeopardize her ability to have future pregnancies that may not be as problematic or that she knows will be born either dead or will die shortly after it is born from fatal and sometimes painful birth defects.
That just sounds like a bridge too far in an ongoing debate that many Americans of moderate political philosophy and independent political affiliation frankly feel very uncomfortable with constantly having.
An ongoing debate that most Americans, even those who don’t like the practice of abortion, frankly don’t want to have over-and-over-and-over-and-over again as no one wants to constantly have a conversation about a situation that is so tragic for anyone and everyone that finds themselves in it.
Hmmmm
March 29th, 2012
10:19 pm
Larry O’Neal has “friends?” Who admits they have are a friend of O’Neal? Who in their sane, moral, ethical mind has Larry O’Neal as a “friend?”
Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?.....
March 29th, 2012
10:21 pm
House Bill 954 is nothing more than a cynical ploy by the Legislature to turnout the conservative base of the Republican Party for incumbents in the primaries while creating more work for their peers in the legal field who will benefit greatly from the career opportunities that will be created if and when this legislation is likely challenged in federal court.
bronson
March 29th, 2012
10:25 pm
Does anyone believe that the politicians give a hoot about this issue? All they are doing is pacifying their easily deceived base with nonsensical legislation, while they get down to the real business of being wined and dined by the lobbyists, who are robbing us all blind.
td
March 29th, 2012
10:36 pm
Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?…..
March 29th, 2012
10:15 pm
First, Your response is to an individual that is stealing my ID. (coward).
As to the points of your argument: I am not advocating a woman carry to term a dead human being. As far as the mother’s life is in danger then I could possible go a long with it as long as it can be proven that the mother would actually die without terminating the human being. IMHO: Any other abortion is pure murder.
How can we as a nation state that all human being are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights of life and liberty and then turn around and say a mother can chose without due process to kill a unborn human beings? We are either a nation that believes in life or no one should ever be convicted of taking another human beings life.
td
March 29th, 2012
10:42 pm
To all of you claiming that HB 954 would be challenged in the courts if passed need a reality check. NOW, Planned parenthood and the ACLU have already said that they are so scared to further erode Roe v Wade with the current configuration of the SCOTUS that they will not bring any cases on abortion to preserve what is the current state of precedents. If you do not believe me then go look for a story Rachel Maddows (MSNBC) did a few months ago on he TV show.
td
March 29th, 2012
10:45 pm
Bill
March 29th, 2012
9:45 pm
Td. Do us all a favor and go hang yourself!
Not until I drive people like you absolutely insane.
Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?.....
March 29th, 2012
10:54 pm
td
March 29th, 2012
10:42 pm
I don’t know if the people that say that HB 954 would be challenged are necessarily meaning that it would just be either Planned Parenthood or the ACLU that would challenge it as it might be a private citizen that challenges it with legal action.
Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?.....
March 29th, 2012
11:03 pm
Let’s also not kid ourselves here when it comes to legislation specifically designed to be challenged in the courts.
The Georgia Legislature is a “lawmaking body” (I use that term lightly) that is dominated by lawyers who are constantly being lobbied (lobbied, as in wined-and-dined) by even more powerful lawyers who represent very powerful interests that vary from major corporations to powerful mega law firms.
A lot of legislation that comes out of this body is often written poorly with the intent to end up in a court somewhere where there will be work created for their peers in the law field.
td
March 29th, 2012
11:05 pm
Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?…..
March 29th, 2012
10:54 pm
I hope it does get challenged and sent all the way to the SCOTUS. I think it is time for Roe to be overturned and sent back to the legislatures to decide the issue. The court never should have legislated from the bench in the first place.
td
March 29th, 2012
11:08 pm
Will the last Democrat in Georgia please turn off the lights?…..
March 29th, 2012
11:03 pm
I totally agree with you on your statement. Why else would attorneys spend a lot of money to get a job that makes them work for three to for months a year for $19,000 and give up 3 months worth of billable hours.
Leader of the free world
March 29th, 2012
11:27 pm
Has anyone else read this article? These comments have nothing to do with the article! Oh my! We are being duped!
Tom
March 30th, 2012
12:11 am
The fishing bill (HB 875) in which the amendment was added allowing certain ethics violations to be sealed or delayed was defeated 143-25 (or something close to that)
RTLGA
March 30th, 2012
1:14 am
Please know the abortion bill, HB 954, was never dead. I can’t believe you fell for that Jim, you’ve been around long enough to know better.
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March 30th, 2012
2:38 am
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March 30th, 2012
2:39 am
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stranger in a strange land
March 30th, 2012
4:15 am
Td you are still a complete idiot. Typical of this miserable retrograde state.
zeke
March 30th, 2012
4:22 am
let’s hear it for scotus, the clowns that gave us citizens united; td please follow your mentor newt into oblivion.
Bobby
March 30th, 2012
5:50 am
Once again we have the modern day Ku Klux Klan, known as the Georgia Republican party trying to tell women what to do with their bodies and letting men sow their oats with no consequences.
Bobby
March 30th, 2012
5:51 am
Let us hope that TD has no sons to propogate his hate and bigotry on God’s earth.
rawmilkdrinker
March 30th, 2012
6:38 am
A question for those argue that government doesn’t create jobs. Who besides the government buys nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers, fighter jets, B1 bombers and spy satelites?
Ronnie Raygun
March 30th, 2012
6:47 am
When will these idiot Cons pass a “stand your ground” law in Georgia? These bribed and paid for conservative legislators make me feel threatened every time they are in session.
catlady
March 30th, 2012
6:50 am
Any word on when our “legislators” are going to take up the IMPORTANT problems Georgians have?
IF I did my job so poorly, I’d be fired.
Jenn
March 30th, 2012
7:06 am
To those who say government doesn’t create jobs: I believe there was a Buy American bill that went nowhere, but would have required the state to buy American and buy in-state goods whenever possible.
The session could have also focused on eliminating tax breaks to companies that then turn around and outsource jobs abroad.
There’s a lot legislators can do to create or protect jobs. It’s just so hard when they’re soooo busy serving the interests of Georgia’s corporate lobbyists, there’s not enough time to serve the people of Georgia. Whoopsies!
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March 30th, 2012
7:36 am
[...] at the Senate rope line before the two convened with a state trooper for a prayer meeting. Senator Steve Thompson (D-Marietta) suggested House Majority Leader Larry O’Neal was working with bank…, the developers v. bankers bill, and that O’Neal’s service on a bank board presented a [...]
honested
March 30th, 2012
8:04 am
Another legislative session, another set of laws that will either be defeated in court or be viewed as so backwards and egregious that our state will be too embarrassed to enforce them.
This is the 10th session under rethug control, and no improvement in the lives of Georgians yet.
Capitol Idea
March 30th, 2012
8:07 am
Republicans need to get busy re-writing the science textbooks as well given that they don’t need scientific studies and facts in making their determinations.
Truthbe
March 30th, 2012
8:34 am
All these lying dishonest politicans should be tarred and feathered and thrown out of office with all their pensions and retirement benifits taken away. You can start with the liar-in chief Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, Luger, Hillary Clinton. Hey democrat supporters how about that scam “obamacare”. Remember when the liar-in chief said that obamacare would save us money and cut the cost? NOW the dishonest idiots at the CBO say that obamacare will cost and EXTRA 1.7 TRILLION DOLLARS
td
March 30th, 2012
8:42 am
honested
March 30th, 2012
8:04 am
And you have known for 10 years that the state will not improve and go backwards but you still chose to stay. What does this say about you?
Truthbe
March 30th, 2012
8:47 am
The entire Democrat Party (sorry excuse me I met the new socialist party) are a bunch of perverted liars with an agenda that will “transform” America into a third world Country. And all you Obama supporters should be ashame of yourselves. Yes even you African Americans. This President wants to give away 7 Alaskan Islands loaded with Oil to Russia, give American First Defense Missles Codes to Russia, gave Billions and Billions of taxpayers dollars to the Muslim Brotherhood,PLO,Hamas,and Hezbullah. Obama and HIllary gave this money to them thru the State Department, also Obama and HIllary signed behind your backs a UN Small Arms Treaty that takes away your Second Amendment legal gun owning rights. All this without Congressional vote or support. Obama is breaking the LAW according to the U.S Constitution. Impeach the traitor Obama and Hillary and throw them in jail.
Ben
March 30th, 2012
9:01 am
Truthbe, you are insane. Like, certifiable. I’m horrified of what happened yesterday and what the Republican leadership have tried to pull.
At least we get to watch all the conservative lose their minds when Obama wins a 2nd term.
Thank God the rest of the country is more rational than our backwater state.
Shameful.
bronson
March 30th, 2012
9:07 am
@truthbe
Don’t forget his cooperation with extraterrestrials and the role he plays in alien abductions.
td
March 30th, 2012
9:17 am
Why can you libs just not admit that Obama is a European Socialist and he wants to take this nation to their form of government?
GaBlue
March 30th, 2012
9:18 am
Question:
Why do Republican men hate women?
Just curious. Is it a mother thing? Did their Mommies give them aggressive enemas when they were children? (I heard this is not uncommon in Texas.) Can anyone shed light on this irrational hatred?
td
March 30th, 2012
9:19 am
Truthbe
March 30th, 2012
8:47 am
Amen brother. You will never convince the African Americans of this because they are blind and the White socialist already know it and are in full agreement with the plan.
Shar
March 30th, 2012
9:20 am
Well, another appalling session of the Georgia State Legislature. These paid-for corporate shills skittered around the huge issues of educational failure and budgetary collapse and went for the throat of whatever group didn’t pay them enough to leave them alone. I used to work with a group that prided itself on getting the unemployment tax reduced multiple times, assuring legislators that there was far too much money just sitting in the fund and that corporations didn’t need to put in more. Now, who pays for those giveaways? Not the corporations that got the breaks, but the unemployed who were assured that the money would be there. Women now have to carry fetuses they don’t want, that are a danger to their own health, that arise from sex that is forced on them or that are malformed – and who made this call? Rich white old men, who demand that women go for second opinions even as they ignore the advice of doctors trying to explain the effects of the legislation on their patients. As for education, this bunch of self-obsessed company boys and girls have introduced a constitutional amendment calling for state-run charter schools, paid for with public money, that will be under the complete control of themselves – not education professionals, not parents or taxpayers, just legislators from other districts than those where the schools are placed, thereby circumventing any accountability. The legislators, deprived of getting their corporate friends’ hands in the property tax cookie jar, will now be able to fix that by awarding sweetheart contracts on school real estate, curriculum, providers and charter management companies, shoving them down local throats while sanctimoniously claiming “choice” and “for the children”.
Meanwhile, they gutted any attempt to cut down on the incessant payoffs they enjoy or the effort to improve “transparency” and Georgia’s dead-last ranking on legislative openness.
A disgusting, worthless bunch of parasites, almost all of whom are now on their way to various lobbyist-paid resorts to recover from the strain of stuffing all that money into their own pockets, leaving wreckage behind that will have to be cleaned up through the judicial process.
td
March 30th, 2012
9:24 am
GaBlue
March 30th, 2012
9:18 am
The better question is why do women that do not have a good conservative man want the government to take care of them? Why can they not take care of themselves? These Democratic women (single mothers with children) are the same people that are the vast majority of the poor, they are the ones that raise the vast majority of children that do not complete HS and the vast majority of children that end up in prison. Why can they not see that what they are doing is ruining the nation?
Michael #1
March 30th, 2012
9:24 am
TD, has your Dr checked you for paranoi lately? If not you might want to set up an appoitment. Can you spell Westly Woods?
td
March 30th, 2012
9:27 am
Shar
March 30th, 2012
9:20 am
You could not be farther from the truth if you tried.
SteveSwimmer
March 30th, 2012
9:28 am
Speaking of ethics: Thanks to Rep. Paul Broun and his ilk, here, in Georgia we placed number 50 in ethics. Lowest in education; but, very proudly number 1 in incarceration rates.
After assessing transparency, accountability and anti-corruption mechanisms in all 50 states, the investigation by the Center for Public Integrity, Global Integrity and Public Radio International (PRI) decided the state of Georgia came in number 50, dead last for our entire Great Nation.
In Georgia, we were, for eons, majority staunch “yeller dog” Democrats, and no Republican representation was wanted. That is, until…, uh-oh: here come the Negroes.
Oh yes, then, ethics be damned, the White majority sent their “yeller dog” to the pound; and, with a giant whooshing sound found themselves new born Republicans.
Georgia is the long time home and major incubator for many of the most avid racists in the world. To this day the Georgia constituency knows full well our politics, while mostly hidden in polite company, is rife with racism.
Certainly, it does not take a PhD in Logic to plainly see: Georgia racists are all Republicans; and, Republicans who are not racists are in bed with the racists. Small wonder Georgia is dead last in ethics.
Today, our Republican majority, headed by our Gov. Nathan Deal, commands the largest prison (per capita) population in the world with over 1000 incarcerations per 100,000 people living here (by comparison, Minnesota imprisons 300 per 100,000).
With racists firmly in control, young Black males are 6 times more likely to be Georgia state prisoners than their White counter part. Yet, we all know: the Black kids are simply not that bad. How ethical is that?
Today, soaring incarceration costs have the budget cutter politicos saying: Well golly gee…, after all, we now realize we really don’t need to put all these non-violent people behind bars, we can use drug rehab programs for most of those now incarcerated and save oodles of money.
Good idea? What do you think? Of course, no such thinking was permitted audience until, ethics out the window, Gov. Nathan Deal’s family controlled major rehab interests.
Yes, there can be no question we have serious ethical problems; and, when it comes to the likes of Gov. Deal, Rep. Broun and their fellow travelers: well…, small wonder Georgia is dead last when it comes to ethics.
Shar
March 30th, 2012
9:28 am
GABlue, Republican men don’t hate women. They like them – just ask Glenn Richardson. They just like them in special ways. They like to tie them up, make all their decisions for them, cause them pain, put their lives in danger, interfere with their access to true medical information, threaten their children with bad education and child care, keep in place any and all workplace discrimination (because they really don’t need to make as much money as men anyway) and make sure they can’t protest any of this by restricting access to information on what they are doing and to the protest process itself.
Because they know what is best for women, even if women don’t think so.
td
March 30th, 2012
9:30 am
Michael #1
March 30th, 2012
9:24 am
What did I say that was not an accurate statement? Show me where I am wrong in my analysis or are you so intellectually deficient that all you can do is bash another person when they present the truth.
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
9:32 am
Jim, are you referring to Obama or Clinton in your message?
deegee
March 30th, 2012
9:32 am
“As far as the economy goes, unemployment is dropping and the governor has brought several large corporations into Atlanta. BTW: The government does not create jobs!!!!”
So what are you saying, td? The governor did or did not bring jobs to Georgia? If the answer is that he did, would you like to take a stab at what the jobs cost the taxpayers of Georgia? How much in tax incentives did private industry receive in order to locate in Georgia? After all, private innerprize is just fabulous in playing “The Price is Right” when dealing with goober pea governors.
Shar
March 30th, 2012
9:32 am
@td – You really cannot have it both ways, you know.
If you don’t want women raising children they cannot care for, you cannot force them to have those children. If you force them to have the children, you have to take the consequences of supporting those same kids.
What you really want is for women not to have sex outside of marriage, and then only when they want to procreate. But even you are not wacky enough to say so.
DannyX
March 30th, 2012
9:34 am
“Government Transparency Commission” Ha, ha,ha.
What a joke. Looks like the legislature gave the middle finger to the Tea Party. First they refused to strengthen ethics laws, then they weaken them.
Fear not Georgia, our state lawmakers are not resting with the worst in the country ethics title, they are going to extend their lead.
The next thing that needs to be tackled is the outdated “Government Transparency Commission” name.
td
March 30th, 2012
9:37 am
Shar
March 30th, 2012
9:28 am
If you really think conservative women do not control their conservative households then you are just plain delusional. Maybe the problem is liberal women are not strong enough to run a household?
td
March 30th, 2012
9:42 am
Shar
March 30th, 2012
9:32 am
Wrong again. I personally think you women are stupid for giving the milk away. Did you ever think when you give something away for free then all you are doing is setting yourself up for failure?
deegee
March 30th, 2012
9:42 am
The sad thing is that td has plenty of company in his or her bigoted world of libs vs cons. I’m sure that wherever td hangs, there are plenty of “amens” in the chorus of bigotry.
td
March 30th, 2012
9:43 am
Above should read giving the milk away for free.
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
9:44 am
deegee…”bigoted world”?? You mean like Shaprton and Jackson? Very nice.
td
March 30th, 2012
9:46 am
deegee
March 30th, 2012
9:42 am
It is now “bigotry” to speak the truth. To make statements about the logic consequences of peoples actions.
GaBlue
March 30th, 2012
9:47 am
Shar,
Yes, I am fully aware of that “special” way in which Republican men “love” women. (Ewwww, and totally creepy!) But that’s not love. It’s a different kind of hate.
td,
You could not be farther from the truth if you tried.
Shar
March 30th, 2012
9:48 am
td, the Southern Baptist Convention, powerhouse of the “conservative household” you espouse, adopted a requirement that wives in such households recognize their husbands as their ‘lords’, and that they submit to those husbands in all things.
You, in your bigoted duplicity, actually have the nerve to speak of “giving the milk away.” Yet in this very string you say that rape and incest, forms of sexual aggression that are forced upon an unwilling woman, should not be cause to terminate a pregnancy.
You really cannot have it both ways.
deegee
March 30th, 2012
9:49 am
No, Shar. td has already told us that young studs that are sowing their oats are always going to have a group of young milk maidens that will freely give away the milk. That is where the young studs should look to relieve some sexual pressure. That’s just the way of the world, and praise the Lord for free milk!
td
March 30th, 2012
9:49 am
GaBlue
March 30th, 2012
9:47 am
What did I say that was not true?
Tom
March 30th, 2012
9:49 am
Anyone know where we will be able to go to see these “saved” babies?
Shar
March 30th, 2012
9:50 am
GaBlue, I cannot imagine why you’d think that special Republican love is creepy. It’s worked in places like Afghanistan for centuries, and you can just see how happy and advanced women are there. Their leaders promise that they are!
GaBlue
March 30th, 2012
9:50 am
td @ 9:42,
Thank you for admitting that what some people consider love is nothing but a transaction for you. That took a lot of courage!
Shar
March 30th, 2012
9:51 am
deegee, I believe the expression is ‘praise the lord and pass the ammunition.”
deegee
March 30th, 2012
9:52 am
td, there is nothing logical about your statements. They are your opinions. You have your opinions, I have my opinions. My opinion is that you are a narrow minded bigot.
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
9:52 am
deegee….provide a reason why you say TD is a bigot. That is a strong word just to throw out.
td
March 30th, 2012
9:53 am
Shar
March 30th, 2012
9:48 am
Show me in the Southern Baptist teachings that the man is the “lord” over the woman? You are making things up again because you can not prove it.
I could explain the theory of how a man should act to become the head of the household and what they actually means but I am sure you could not grasp the concepts.
GaBlue
March 30th, 2012
9:55 am
td asks: “Maybe the problem is liberal women are not strong enough to run a household?”
What time does your gig at The Punch Line start tonight? I want to get my tickets before they’re sold out! HAHAHAHA!
deegee
March 30th, 2012
9:58 am
Here’s your proof, UGA1999. td is making a bigoted comment about women and their political party affiliation.
“These Democratic women (single mothers with children) are the same people that are the vast majority of the poor, they are the ones that raise the vast majority of children that do not complete HS and the vast majority of children that end up in prison.”
td
March 30th, 2012
9:58 am
GaBlue
March 30th, 2012
9:50 am
Yes, I get drunk at a bar, buy a few drinks and tell you how beautiful you are and then after a couple hours of close dancing and some kissing you decide you are in “love” and take me home to give the milk away.
If you think that is love then you are a lost soul.
GaBlue
March 30th, 2012
9:58 am
td explains: “I personally think you women are stupid for giving the milk away. Did you ever think when you give something away for free then all you are doing is setting yourself up for failure?”
Question:
How much do you pay for “milk,” td? Please enlighten the ladies here, so we know how much we should be charging! Would you also include the entire pricing menu? Whole vs. skim, etc.
GaBlue
March 30th, 2012
10:02 am
td @ 9:58,
Ah, so THAT’s who you are! Thanks for the warning! Yeah, just to be clear: I’m one of the many who said, “NO THANKS, CREEP. TAKE A HIKE.”
But once again, thanks for sharing the personal details of your sick, (likely diseased) personal life with us. I think a breakthrough is near!
td
March 30th, 2012
10:04 am
deegee
March 30th, 2012
9:58 am
Is it or is it not true that the majority of single women are democratic voters? Is it or is it not true that the majority of poor people in this country are single women with children? Is it or is it not true that the vast majority of people that drop out of school is from a single parent household? Is it or is it not true that the majority of people in prison come from a single parent household?
Are these or are these not factually accurate statements?
The truth hurts sometimes but it is still the truth and does not mean that the messenger is a bigot.
Shar
March 30th, 2012
10:04 am
@td: and I quote: “Former SBC President Bailey Smith made some revealing statements when he told wives to be submissive to their husbands “just as if he were God.” Smith added that when a wife fails to meet the sexual needs of her husband, she is partly to blame if he is unfaithful to her. “
deegee
March 30th, 2012
10:06 am
LMFAO, td is such a creep. Nothing like some drunken redneck in a bar breathing their stinking beer breath in someone’s face, then sobering up and going to church on Sunday, still basking in the afterglow and praising the Lord for free milk.
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
10:06 am
Shar….your point?
td
March 30th, 2012
10:12 am
GaBlue
March 30th, 2012
9:58 am
I have been a happily married person for many years. I contribute my income to the family. I contribute my time and effort to make sure our children are being raised to be good God fearing, well educated productive members of society that understand what true (agape) love is. As part of our commitment to one another and our family my spouse and I have a healthy and complete marriage.
I took a lot of hard work and sacrifice to get to this point.
GaBlue
March 30th, 2012
10:13 am
deegee @ 10:06: “…. still basking in the afterglow and praising the Lord for free milk.”
HAHAHAHAHA! Priceless!
DannyX
March 30th, 2012
10:13 am
“provide a reason why you say TD is a bigot.”
Just count the times td called Sandra Fluke a “slut.” A woman he knew nothing about. td totally misrepresented her comments, and took pride in copying Limbaugh as much as he could, judging her with the “slut” label.
One of several from td,
March 3, @10:08am
td
“If I was her daddy I would call her home and ask her what was going through her mind when she went before Congress and told the world she was a “slut”?”
zeke
March 30th, 2012
10:13 am
how is it these windbag legislators can pass ethics related legislation for others but cannot pass it for themselves? and not nearly as complicated or controverial?
deegee
March 30th, 2012
10:15 am
td, your logic fails when you assign political party affiliation to single mothers and assume that they are single mothers by choice. There are single mothers that adopt children, single mothers that are widowed and divorced, and there are single mothers that produce children out of wedlock. They are all very different demographics, and you have no way of knowing if they vote or how they vote. Additionally, you are making a bigoted statement when you claim that single mothers are deficient in their parenting.
td
March 30th, 2012
10:17 am
deegee
March 30th, 2012
10:06 am
I see you are a typical lib and can not debate intellectually challenging points on a philosophical basis but would rather take things out of context to bash a person. You do know the saying that a mind is a terrible thing to waste. It appears that this saying was meant for you.
td
March 30th, 2012
10:20 am
DannyX
March 30th, 2012
10:13 am
And your point is what? Would you not love your daughter enough to call her out when she is admitting to the world that she has been acting in an immoral fashion? If not then you are a horrible parent.
Shar
March 30th, 2012
10:20 am
@UGA, read the thread.
@Zeke, very good point. These legislators are far too sure of their electoral safety, and they have become convinced that they are beyond accountability. The Democrats thought so, too, and found out differently.
GaBlue
March 30th, 2012
10:20 am
td,
It’s too late. You’ve already admitted right here, in this public place, in front of God and Jim Galloway, that you view women as wh-o-res when you admonished the “liberal” women of the world for not charging enough.
To show you how special you are, I’ll put this in perspective: The War on Women begins with you. It might not end with you, but it’s ON. All of you misogynistic troglodytes will be exposed for exactly what you are, and no amount of churchy talk will save your hateful, wh-o-ring behinds.
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
10:23 am
Shar….I did. Just wondering what your point is?
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
10:24 am
Funny how no one is mentioning the fact that not a single democrat voted to approve Obama’s budget.
td
March 30th, 2012
10:25 am
deegee
March 30th, 2012
10:15 am
I am not assigning a political party to all single women. I am stating a fact that the majority of single women with children are Democrats. That is factually accurate. It is also a fact that the majority of HS dropouts and the majority of people in prison come from households headed by single women. Those are facts. Where did I say all single women are bad parents? You made that leap not me.
td
March 30th, 2012
10:31 am
GaBlue
March 30th, 2012
10:20 am
You are partially correct in your statement. When any women give the milk away without commitment (free) then you are repeating what my mother told me. She is not worth bringing home for me to meet and not worth you marrying because that woman is a “w-h-ore”.
Yes, my good God fearing, Southern Baptist conservative mother.
DannyX
March 30th, 2012
10:31 am
Funny how Republicans aren’t mentioning the fact that the Dow is up almost 8%, the S&P 500 is up nearly 12% and the Nasdaq has gained a whopping 19% since New Year’s Day.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
March 30th, 2012
10:35 am
I’d almost blame Morph for TD’s statements, except they mirror his posting style and philosophy…
Which makes me feel ashamed to even attempt to reason with him.
It.
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
10:37 am
DannyX….and?
Aaron Burr V Mexico
March 30th, 2012
10:38 am
@UGA 1999 – Didn’t the university of georgia teach you to do your OWN homework? To pull a Reagan, THERE YOU GO AGAIN asking someone to do your thinking/research for you.
liberalefty
March 30th, 2012
10:39 am
ANDREW BREITBART must be burning in hell right now…life is better with that lying bigot dead
zeke
March 30th, 2012
10:40 am
God fearing? kinda says it all doesn’t it.
liberalefty
March 30th, 2012
10:41 am
td
BRISTOL PALIN is a republican and single mother…remember when the repubs paraded her pregnant axx AROUND like being an unwed teen was something to be proud of…lol…
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
10:42 am
Aaron….You keep using the term “ashamed to even attempt to reason”. Is that because you cannot?
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
10:42 am
Liberal…Him and Martin are probably sharing a smoke. HAHA.
td
March 30th, 2012
10:43 am
Shar
March 30th, 2012
10:04 am
@td: and I quote: “Former SBC President Bailey Smith made some revealing statements when he told wives to be submissive to their husbands “just as if he were God.” Smith added that when a wife fails to meet the sexual needs of her husband, she is partly to blame if he is unfaithful to her. “
You are taking thinks out of context again and not telling the whole truth. What are the conditions that must happen before a woman submits to her husband?
Submit: To freely give.
The condition: The husband is to love his wife the same as Jesus loves his church.
The Greek word for love in the sentence above is agape (the highest form of love in the Greek language and it means unconditional or self sacrificing love).
In other words if a man has an unconditional self sacrificing love for his wife (which also shows he is right with God) then and only then should his wife use her free will and submit to her husband.
This is what we
deegee
March 30th, 2012
10:44 am
td, you can’t say with certainty that the majority of single women with children are Democrats. You can say with certainty that states with rising divorce rates have seen a decline in support for Democrats among men and a marked rise in such support among women. Additionally, such gender shifts seem largely limited to middle-income voters.
I will agree that single, teenage mothers tend to have poorer parenting skills, and therefore less success in raising their children. When you string a lot of statements about single mothers together without making that distinction, you are making the leap, not me.
deegee
March 30th, 2012
10:44 am
What did Jesus say about people that wear their religion on their sleeve?
Aaron Burr V Mexico
March 30th, 2012
10:45 am
Why in the world would the devil want to have Breitbart dressing up in a skirt with lipstick like Bugs Bunny, trying to expose the devil to the devil for all the devilish things he does?
I’m pretty sure he’s been consigned to wander the earth as a shade and watch his minions try to be Mini hims and fail miserably….
Aaron Burr V Mexico
March 30th, 2012
10:46 am
@Deegee – “One day, Napoleon will put buttons on their uniform to stop them from wiping their noses with it. Until they invent the tshirt and then we’re all screwed.”
deegee
March 30th, 2012
10:48 am
You can tell when you’re talking to an ersatz genius when their only retort to your argument is “So, what’s your point?”
Aaron Burr V Mexico
March 30th, 2012
10:49 am
@UGA 1999 – You are a conservatard. Conservatards attack science, which involves an objective measure of reality using rational methods and accepting reality as it is, rather than pretending it is what you want it to be. Thus, if you are a reality denier, anything I say to you will be filtered in a manner subject to your own whims and prejudices, which affect any human being, but distorted to such a degree that I could say virtually anything, and you’d be naturally inclined to oppose it, even if it was something from your own side that you didn’t know was Republican doctrine.
Ergo, I might as well say whatever I want, since mocking inanimate objects can be fun if you’re into that kind of thing.
Ergo, for example, proving my ability to reason to a Dining Room Table.
Lulz.
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
10:49 am
deegee….Because you never have one.
DannyX
March 30th, 2012
10:51 am
“BRISTOL PALIN is a republican and single mother…remember when the repubs paraded her pregnant axx AROUND like being an unwed teen was something to be proud of…lol…”
So true liberalefty!
td, is Bristol Palin a slut? What derogatory word do you have for her?
Aaron Burr V Mexico
March 30th, 2012
10:51 am
@UGA – As per the telephone comment, ‘Yo momma has my point.’
deegee
March 30th, 2012
10:52 am
LOL! UGA 1999, How did you know I was talking about you? Anywho…there you go again. LOL!
liberalefty
March 30th, 2012
10:52 am
ANDREW BREITBART was a slimey racist …i bet he was thinking about the LIES HE TOLD ON SHIRLEY SHERROD as he was gasping for his last breathe
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
10:52 am
Aaron…”conservatard”? HAHA resort to name calling now. I guess libtard is appropriate here as well? What did I deny? What science am I disputing? Come on I am waiting!
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
10:53 am
Aaron….Momma insults now? HAHAHAHA THIS IS GREAT. Welcome to 3rd grade!
Aaron Burr V Mexico
March 30th, 2012
10:54 am
“name calling now”…unlike Moderate Cows, I do have a memory longer than 10 minutes Table, and you started name calling aeons before I started insulting you. Contard is derived from the monicker libtard, so yes, feel free.
Oh and THIS should be rich, do you deny AGW?
Aaron Burr V Mexico
March 30th, 2012
10:54 am
You couldn’t pass 3rd grade UGA 1999. It has science as one of its subjects.
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
10:55 am
Aaron….”Moderate Cows” that is great! Who did I name call? Quote me…go ahead.
liberalefty
March 30th, 2012
10:55 am
BRISTOL PALIN was the poster child for AMERICAS TEENS…whatajoke…the pious H0 and her hillbilly clan
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
10:56 am
Aaron…What did I say against Science? Actually have I have MBA. That means I must have passed third grade! You?
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
10:56 am
liberal brings up Bristol Palin! HAHA WE WIN!
Aaron Burr V Mexico
March 30th, 2012
10:56 am
@UGA – I played that game with TD and he lost. But it amuses me. I’ll just wait and show you up the next time you do it. Again, I’m not doing research for a table.
liberalefty
March 30th, 2012
10:56 am
td
do u think BRISTOL PALIN is a slut like u think SANDRA FLUKE is?
liberalefty
March 30th, 2012
10:57 am
uga
what did u win?..lol
Aaron Burr V Mexico
March 30th, 2012
10:58 am
UGA – I said passing science NOW. There are many degenerate mental diseases that reduce one’s mental capacity. Since you might not know what AGW is, I’ll spell it out….do you believe in Anthrogenenic Global Warming?
Are PEOPLE making the planet warmer?
liberalefty
March 30th, 2012
10:59 am
uga
what did u win?..a free pass into the UGA football players lockeroom, so u can gaze at the muscley black men u admire so much?
DannyX
March 30th, 2012
10:59 am
Sandra Fluke should go on Dancing With The Stars.
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
11:00 am
Aaron…..NO!
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
11:00 am
Liberal….you would like that wouldnt you?
Aaron Burr V Mexico
March 30th, 2012
11:02 am
UGA 1999 – Hooray! Anti Science.
Table. Q.E.D.
td
March 30th, 2012
11:09 am
deegee
March 30th, 2012
10:44 am
td, you can’t say with certainty that the majority of single women with children are Democrats.
I do not say it the polling agencies do.
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
11:13 am
Aaron…Care for me to provide you with posts from all of the “scientist” that agree with me.
Did humans cause the “Ice Age”? Oh, is it “global warming” or are you calling it “climate change” now?
Aaron Burr V Mexico
March 30th, 2012
11:14 am
@UGA – I am, literally, so sick of talking to tables about this particular subject that, no, I am not going to swap your idiot data for real data.
You either believe in science or you don’t.
You don’t.
td
March 30th, 2012
11:14 am
iberalefty
March 30th, 2012
10:56 am
td
do u think BRISTOL PALIN is a slut like u think SANDRA FLUKE is?
Did Bristol Palin testify before congress that she needed the government to pay $1000 per year for her birth control so she could have all the sex she needs on campus?
liberalefty
March 30th, 2012
11:15 am
TD
do u think BRISTOL PALIN is a slut like u think FLUKE is?
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
11:16 am
Aaron….HAHAHA YOU BROUGHT IT UP!!! HAHAHA
liberalefty
March 30th, 2012
11:17 am
td
answer the question…do u think BRISTOL is a slut or not…and do u think parading around her pregnancy was good for AMERICAS’ teen girls
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
11:22 am
liberalefty….I will answer your quesiton. No, she is not a slut but she is confused by her sexual decisions. But she is not asking the gubament to pay for his mistake.
GaBlue
March 30th, 2012
11:22 am
liberallefty,
td won’t answer that because the truth is, all women are wh-o-res to him. By his own admission, he prefers the wh-o-res with the highest prices.
GaBlue
March 30th, 2012
11:24 am
UGA 1999,
If Briston Palin is “confused by her sexual decisions,” then she should move to Georgia, where men can make those decisions for her. The Georgia General Assembly puts making decisions for women a higher priority than anything else before them. Aren’t the women of Georgia LUCKY to be so “loved?”
Aaron Burr V Mexico
March 30th, 2012
11:31 am
@UGA1999 – I did, but, you asked why I called contards anti science.
liberalefty
March 30th, 2012
11:37 am
uga
so a woman who screws and gets pregnant isnt a slut but if she speaks in congress to get acess to birth control shes a slut? and what was BRISTOL confused about while she was screwing around?
liberalefty
March 30th, 2012
11:38 am
who raised BRISTOL to be so permissive?
liberalefty
March 30th, 2012
11:41 am
the more religious this country was the more racist/sexist/homophobic it was…why do repubs long for these days of hate like its a LEAVE IT TO BEAVER sitcom..
liberalefty
March 30th, 2012
11:42 am
i bet the OBAMA daughters wont be an unwed mother like BRISTOL IS…they have better parents
liberalefty
March 30th, 2012
11:43 am
ANDREW BTEITBART the lying racist piece of feces death must have made SHIRLEY SHERRODS day..
liberalefty
March 30th, 2012
11:44 am
i meant “BREITBART.”..
Shar
March 30th, 2012
12:03 pm
td, the definition of “submit”, according to Merriam Webster (the verb without an object attached, as in “I submit this paper..”) is definitely not “to freely give.” It is “to yield oneself to the power or authority of another: to submit to a conqueror; to allow oneself to be subjected to some kind of treatment: to submit to chemotherapy; or to defer to another’s judgment, opinion, decision, etc.: I submit to your superior judgment.
The posture of the Southern Baptist Convention is directly opposed to your contention that “If you really think conservative women do not control their conservative households then you are just plain delusional.” Apparently, the SBC has decreed that wives who don’t “give away the milk” are to blame for their “Gods” going off and finding another submissive woman who will.
The bottom line here is whether women have to submit to others in general, particularly in regards to their reproductive choices. According to your line of reasoning, women should not have sex without demanding guarantees or payment of some kind, and they should not have sex without wanting to become pregnant. However, if one of the guarantees they seek is contraception, they are sluts. If married women do not want to have sex, they are to blame for the promiscuity of their husbands. If women are made to have sex without their consent, either with a knife at their throats or the threat of infidelity, they must be forced to carry any resulting fetus to term whether they want to or not. Their doctors may not provide any women with their best medical advice; it must go through a filter of the “superior judgement” of people like Dan Becker. After they deliver this child, they are unfit Democrats who are ruining this country.
td. even you must see how offensive, infantilizing and dangerous this position is. Your religious beliefs have no place in my private discussions with my husband or my doctor, any more than I should walk into your examination room and decide for you whether you are a good enough person to deserve specific treatments. The Legislature, in pursuit of money from people like Dan Becker who has no interest in or respect for me as a person but is obsessed with controlling my reproductive and sexual decisions, has made sweeping decisions backed by the force of law that take those personal powers away from me and make me “submit”. It is all the more gallling that the people who made these decisions will never be faced with the decision themselves.
You can believe all you want that a fetus has more rights than an adult woman. You can decide that the possibility of “fetal pain” is worth inflicting the very real pain of pregnancy, labor and delivery on that adult woman. I don’t believe those things, and I have just as much right to my belief as you have to yours. I take very strong objection to you, Dan Becker and the Georgia Legislature banding together to use the political and legal system to force your beliefs on me.
liberalefty
March 30th, 2012
12:09 pm
i wish the rightwingers would keep their hate{religion} to themselves..
td
March 30th, 2012
12:36 pm
Shar
March 30th, 2012
12:03 pm
“You can believe all you want that a fetus has more rights than an adult woman. ”
Equal rights not more rights. In other words by the statement above you feel that a woman is given a special right to determine life or death over another human being?
“controlling my reproductive and sexual decisions”
If you believe that controlling means the protection of other human life then yes for reproductive. Where has any piece of legislation wanted to control your “sexual decisions”? Where is your personal responsibility in your decision making? So you think it is your right to choose to have unprotected sex and if the consequences of that choice is you conceive a human being then you can choose to murder that human life if it may inconvenience the direction you want to take with your life. In reverse of that you can choose to have the child (over the objections of the father) and then force the father to pay for that choice? Now talk about a double standard.
“I don’t believe those things, and I have just as much right to my belief as you have to yours”
You sure do have the right to believe in any manner that you want too and I will defend that right with my life if I need too. You also have to follow the law and it is my right and belief that the law allowing people to murder another human being and have no consequences for those actions is wrong. I shall take my belief in this principal and spend my money and time to help protect these lives.
honested
March 30th, 2012
12:38 pm
Keep that outrage in focus folks, because this is an election year.
Time to turn out the incompetent toadys and squeezed tea baggers.
New faces are the only way to start next session without a slew of anti-Citizen ALEC specimen bills and change government of, for and by the DOLLAR.
honested
March 30th, 2012
12:41 pm
No, fetuses do not (and should not) have rights, and there is no justification whatsoever for letting religious lunatics invent such ‘rights’.
Until it is born, a fetus is essentially a parasite, entirely dependent upon it’s host and potentially fatal to the life of the host. The RIGHTS remain with the HOST. Such is the natural order and such should remain forever the law.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
March 30th, 2012
12:55 pm
So let me get this straight?
Passing laws and regulations takes away the rights of business owners, but unions should be illegal because when they form agreements to leverage their true market value (as compared to an owner dominated and tilted marketplace).
But its not slavery when a fetus with ‘equal rights’ automatically makes any woman subject to all kinds of restrictions about her physical activities, especially when she MIGHT be pregnant.
I now think an effort should be made by science to forcibly impregnate men and force them to carry fetuses to term. We’ll see if fetuses have ‘equal rights’ then in Republican eyes.
bronson
March 30th, 2012
12:59 pm
@honested
Based on the things like the documented lack of integrity of the officials we elect, to having the highest state ranking in per capita lottery sales, Georgians are at or near the bottom of the list for cognitive abilities. Attempting to reason with citizens like td is an exercise in futility.
Shar
March 30th, 2012
1:06 pm
TD, you can have your beliefs. That is entirely separate from translating them into laws that you can then force on me.
You don’t care whether the woman freely chooses to have sex or not. The only relevant thing to you is that she gets pregnant. Then your belief system trumps her right of self-determination, her decisions about her own health and welfare, and even her doctor’s right and responsibility to give her the best medical advice and care.
Of course, once she has this unwanted baby she’s ruining the nation.
If the Taliban were to be given the power to decide your medical access and life choices, you would object. Their belief system is not yours, and their usurpation of a legal system to force them on you would be abhorrent to you.
You do indeed give a fetus rights over a woman when you support laws that force a woman to host one, to endanger her life and health to do so. You assume that my “personal responsibility in decision-making” will not include serious soul-searching and reflection on what is best for myself, my partner/spouse, any existing children we may have as well as the child itself when you lambaste me for wanting to make my own decisions; however, you only focus on one element of a situation and push the rest aside as trivial “inconveniences”.
You diminish women by assuming that we, the child-rearers and nurturers, make such decisions cavalierly (and where is your proof that we do?) You place yourself in judgement, believing that any considerations we might weigh in making a decision to terminate a pregnancy are irrelevant, that your absolutism is the only “right” way. You brush aside the issue of whether a woman has freely consented to sex just as you ignore the fact that pregnancy is dangerous, neither of which considerations will ever affect you personally.
I have faced a pregnancy that, had I not miscarried, would have spread cancer throughout my body and likely ended in my death. Dangerous pregnancies happen, often (as was my case) to women already mothers who must balance raising an existing child with the possibility of making that child plus the new one orphans. Women must choose between raising a healthy child and bearing a deeply flawed one, thus draining the resources available to the first. Women who have sex against their will must decide whether to risk their health and life to bear a child with potentially questionable hereditory characteristics who will be a lifelong reminder of abuse.
Where, exactly, do you fit into these considerations? Why, precisely, do you find them trivial? By what right does the Legislature insert themselves so deeply into the privacy of these women’s lives?
deegee
March 30th, 2012
1:16 pm
Explain how 16 year old high school kids are confused about their sexual decisions? Was it Bristol or her teenage heart throb, Levi Johnston that was confused? Were they both confused? When I was 16 I remember being confused about a lot of things but sexual decisions weren’t confusing. Let me see, should I sneak around my parents and have sex with my boyfriend or go to the movies???? I’m so confused!?!?!?!?
td
March 30th, 2012
1:30 pm
Shar
March 30th, 2012
1:06 pm
You are making arguments for small set asides. If the woman’s life is in danger (real danger of dying) then she should have the right to self preservation. As far as rape, What type of rape are talking about? Some states think if a woman is drunk then she can not have consensual sex.
I see you ignored my questions about the father’s right and personal responsibility. Here is another for you: Why do we put women in jail for taking drugs and harming the unborn human being? Why do we charge people for double murder if they kill a pregnant woman? Is it not true that a child can not live on its own until around age two? If the woman is the nurturer of the child (in and out of the womb) and the child can not live on its own after birth, then why should not a woman be able to choose not kill the child until that time?
UGA 1999
March 30th, 2012
1:36 pm
You guys are hilarious. Thank you for the laughs. Sincerely.
zeke
March 30th, 2012
1:45 pm
this submit yourselves to your husbands is a little disturbing….men don’t want children for everytime they have intercourse and often times don’t want to be bothered with contraception so it often falls on the woman…
Aaron Burr V Mexico
March 30th, 2012
1:49 pm
@TD1 – We put them in jail because angry mothers are the most easily exploitable political demographic in the nation (look at Nancy Grace) so angry suburban house wives like to be democrat and republican and the same time. They support abortion rights as long as it affects them, but people that take drugs to harm their fetus are CRIMINALS which is different.
As far as children not being able to survive on their own until they are two, good point there TD re: ’survivability outside the womb’….so then why do Republicans cut programs for young children all the time? Aren’t they supposed to show ’self reliance’?
@UGA Table – The thanks are mutual, my imaginary friend, the thanks are mutual.
Shar
March 30th, 2012
2:35 pm
td, we charge double felonies at the behest of the Right To Life organization – just another little chip on the way to equating a fetus with a person. Same with jailing pregnant women who take drugs. Those are the result of politicization of this issue, only existing to give credence to questions like yours.
You’re right on the requirements of paternity. The most difficult part of the abortion debate, for me, is the case of fathers who want a child and mothers who don’t. In those cases, I would (personal choice) want the father to pay all costs associated with the pregnancy, and then hold the woman harmless once the child is delivered and the father takes custody. In the case of a woman wanting a child and a man not, he would need to pay for part of the pregnancy costs (as he was instrumental in creating the pregnancy) and then he would be able to walk away once delivery was safely passed. With abortion safe, legal and available, women and men need to take responsibility for their actions and make informed choices about parenthood.
In either case, if a child ended up a charge to the public, I would support laws that cut off any future benefits for both parents (not for the child) unless they both provided at least minimal support to lighten the load for the taxpayer.
I do not reference “small set asides” in talking about the decision to bear a child. Only a person who has never, and will never, weigh those considerations would suggest that. Every pregnancy is a life-altering event, and carries those kinds of personal decisions. And rape, td, is rape, whether in or out of marriage, whether drugged or sober, whether by an unknown assailant or a relative. Rape is any time a woman has the choice of sexual contact made for her by another person. Rape can be physically forced but it can be pharmaceutically forced and emotionally forced as well. What about all those SBC women who don’t want to have sex with their husbands but who are branded as worthy of desertion if they don’t? Intimidation is another form of coercion. Either a choice is free or it is not.
Aaron Burr V Mexico
March 30th, 2012
2:56 pm
You know…upon reflection, I like the idea implied in the name “Will the last democrat in Georgia please turn out the light” implying that Republicans have neither the intelligence to maintain electricity on their own, much less that of fire, making them less intelligent than cavemen.
dikran
March 30th, 2012
5:40 pm
Thinking about abortion. Murder? And the several great women I know who have had one. When you come for them, humping your bibles and your stones, you will have to come through me.
Truthbe
March 30th, 2012
9:23 pm
The entire Democrat Party (sorry excuse me I met the new socialist party) are a bunch of perverted liars with an agenda that will “transform” America into a third world Country. And all you Obama supporters should be ashame of yourselves. Yes even you African Americans. This President wants to give away 7 Alaskan Islands loaded with Oil to Russia, give American First Defense Missles Codes to Russia, gave Billions and Billions of taxpayers dollars to the Muslim Brotherhood,PLO,Hamas,and Hezbullah. Obama and HIllary gave this money to them thru the State Department, also Obama and HIllary signed behind your backs a UN Small Arms Treaty that takes away your Second Amendment legal gun owning rights. All this without Congressional vote or support. Obama is breaking the LAW according to the U.S Constitution. Impeach the traitor Obama and Hillary and throw them in jail
Truthbe
March 30th, 2012
9:27 pm
Jim, Please! Where’s the kicked off button for the very ugly comments from Liberalefty? His posts are discusing…………..Lets keep your blogg civil.