Georgia’s illegal immigration count: 440,000 in 2011
Georgia’s illegal immigration population as of January 2011 stood at 440,000 souls, according to a just-issued U.S. Department of Homeland Security.
Last year, the DHS put Georgia’s “unauthorized immigrant population” — the agency’s term — at 460,000. Which would mean a decrease of 20,000, or 4 percent. Except that the agency now says the 2010 figure was off, and is not worthy of use. Presumably, that’s why the chart below doesn’t include anything from last year.
The nation as a whole has 11.5 million “unauthorized” immigrants, according to the annual estimate. That’s slightly lower than the 11.6 million judged to be in the country the previous year.
This latest report stays away from causation. And because the numbers are drawn from the U.S. census count, they don’t measure any impact from HB 87, the bill passed last spring by the Legislature giving law enforcement authorities greater responsibility for checking stopped individuals for proof of citizenship.
Here’s the chart:
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Jakey
March 23rd, 2012
1:52 pm
Look like 220,000 to me. Am I misreading it?
Jakey
March 23rd, 2012
1:52 pm
Take that back, misread the chart. Sorry!
Centrist
March 23rd, 2012
1:57 pm
Good.
The legislation is obviously working. Too bad many of the ILLEGALS simply moved to other states – but then maybe they will learn to discourage it, too.
Centrist
March 23rd, 2012
2:02 pm
Anyone notice that Georgia had the biggest jump of ILLEGAL influx in the 11 years – it DOUBLED?
Ric
March 23rd, 2012
2:13 pm
This measure was taken in January 2011, before HB 87 was passed. Can’t credit HB 87 with this.
findog
March 23rd, 2012
2:18 pm
you want cheap: chicken, carpet, housing; you have to have cheap labor
tony
March 23rd, 2012
2:19 pm
” HOT PLATE “
Centrist
March 23rd, 2012
2:28 pm
HB 87 was being debated for a long time before it passed, and there were newspaper articles about how ILLEGALS saw the handwriting on the wall and started reacting accordingly. E-verify was optional and being used and the Kennesaw University case of an ILLEGAL facing deportation got a lot of attention. Georgia was one of the few states that reversed the trend. Enforcement and the fear of it was the reason.
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
2:32 pm
So that means 20,000 people less spending money into the economy and paying sales tax, property tax and yes those who were property owners had to let their houses go and contributed to GA moving to 4th in the nation in foreclosures. ALL negatives for the state economic picture…..if that is what they mean by HB 87 working!!!
Centrist
March 23rd, 2012
2:32 pm
If you want higher taxes, deficits, debt, crime, classes held back by non/poor English speaking students in exchange for a little cheaper labor – move to a state that tolerates ILLEGAL immigration.
Senior Citizen Kane
March 23rd, 2012
2:37 pm
No, Voice, it means 20,000 fewer people sapping public services without paying their fair share of taxes.
Centrist
March 23rd, 2012
2:40 pm
Take a stroll into an emergency room, Social Security office, welfare office, Goodwill/Salvation Army, community health or other services center and notice the Latin ethnicity that is largely soaking up your tax dollars, increasing debt, and charity. They also use our roads (without liability insurance) and other infrastructure to a MUCH greater degree than paying sales tax from their unreported income.
Ernesto
March 23rd, 2012
2:43 pm
I wonder where’s the chart of how many legal immigrants workers have left the State since 2010… And even with all those immigrants leaving the state we still have over 9% unemployment rate…
Real Estate Guy
March 23rd, 2012
2:44 pm
The reason why many illegals have moved from GA is because of the loss of jobs in the home building and costruction industries. The tradesmen laborers picked up and moved to follow the jobs back to Texas. Unfortunately they left behind their girlfriends with their brand new downloaded American citizens and their other buddies, the drug dealers. So to sum up, the working men contributing to our economy have left and the moochers and criminals are the ones that have stayed.
God
March 23rd, 2012
2:48 pm
I don’t believe in these labels, illegal/legal, your all God’s children. No status, no borders. All human. Namaste!
elroy
March 23rd, 2012
2:49 pm
only a start. get them all out.
Jakey speaks without thinking.
March 23rd, 2012
2:53 pm
I don’t know if he/she/it is illegal or not, but we need people are who don’t make simplistic mistakes in this country.
DannyX
March 23rd, 2012
2:55 pm
Looks like “Centrist” @ 1:57 got caught in another lie.
Proud Latino-American worker
March 23rd, 2012
2:55 pm
Great news. Adios illegal aliens. As an immigrant, I think the goal should be to have and enforce immigration laws as strict as Mexico.
For the geniuses here who can only see lost income for shady employers, why don’t you just admit that you are cowards and would bend over for open borders if you could make a buck, not get called names and could let someone else live in the barrios these “victims” create. What most Georgians see here is success and proof that we must do more to guard OUR country. Most Hispanics don’t approve of illegal immigration, but the AJC will never make that a story.
Does anyone else note that Arizona’s illegal population zoomed downward too? Hmmm, maybe the law really does work?
Hooray for Georgia! VIVA!
bronco
March 23rd, 2012
2:59 pm
If they know how many there are, they must know where they are and they are illegal, why haven’t they addressed the situation.
DannyX
March 23rd, 2012
3:01 pm
“I don’t believe in these labels, illegal/legal, your all God’s children. No status, no borders. All human. Namaste!”
Hey God, is it true that Mary and Joseph were illegal immigrants?
Smelling good
March 23rd, 2012
3:03 pm
I wish the work and the amigos would come back. I am getting tired of this manual labor. Maybe congress could give the banks some more money then they could loan it to us???
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
3:06 pm
So many ignorant people posting here….undocumented workers CAN NOT collect SS, yet the SS administration collect about 7 Billion annually in unmatch contributions to the SS, so these people may be helping you grandma get they full benefits. You may complaint about them using healthcare and education but they also pay into the system, they do not collect unemployment, welfare, food stamps and other benefits exclusive to US citizens so it balances out. Yet the money spent into the economy thru the multiplier effect of every dollar spent does amount to economic growth or contraction. Where are ALL the georgians that DO NOT want to work the fields and is costing the state 250 Million a year in agricultural losses. Come on folks get a job in there fields… get off unemployment and food stamps!!!
Grandma
March 23rd, 2012
3:09 pm
Get real. We are not saying you are a legal/illegal PERSON…you are a legal/illegal IMMIGRANT. An illegal immigrant is breaking our laws right from the git-go, and we do NOT need more lawbreakers.
horse
March 23rd, 2012
3:10 pm
Can we get rid of the bigots next?
Hands Up
March 23rd, 2012
3:11 pm
You’re right. We don’t need no stinkin’ scofflaws. We have enough of our own to deal with without having to take other countries’ criminals. If you don’t like HB 87 or the fact that we don’t want you here, then you need to go back to your wonderful country that you left. Instead of leaving, why don’t you stay put, and work to make your own country BETTER?
Kat
March 23rd, 2012
3:17 pm
To the person saying they are God: God said Thou shalt not kill. The Illegal cartel and gang members don’t honor that commandment and neither do the the illegals driving with out a license and under the influence. Sorry that argument doesn’t work. obey the law and come in legally
God
March 23rd, 2012
3:21 pm
Kat,
Judge not, lest ye’ be judged.
God
March 23rd, 2012
3:23 pm
dannyX,
Yes, my son.
We need to triple the amount leaving!!!!
March 23rd, 2012
3:26 pm
We need to TRIPLE that amount leaving…..we need to make Georgia the Deportation Station Capital of the United States!!!! Put them on a train and ship them out to the Mexico Desert….we don’t want nor do we need them here clogging up our schools, emergency rooms, and eating up our tax dollars…..put them on the fastest mode of transportation out of our state as soon as possible.
Scratchin my head
March 23rd, 2012
3:28 pm
Why can’t people understand no means no and illegal means illegal. Even Gump can understand that. Is there anything negotiable in crimially crossing the border? Ask Turkey…N, Korea….Iran…Bhurma…Tailand…how the handle the negotiations.
Speaking of Ignorant
March 23rd, 2012
3:28 pm
“So many ignorant people posting here….undocumented workers CAN NOT collect SS, yet the SS administration collect about 7 Billion annually in unmatch contributions to the SS, so these people may be helping you grandma get they full benefits. You may complaint about them using healthcare and education but they also pay into the system, they do not collect unemployment, welfare, food stamps and other benefits exclusive to US citizens so it balances out. Yet the money spent into the economy thru the multiplier effect of every dollar spent does amount to economic growth or contraction. Where are ALL the georgians that DO NOT want to work the fields and is costing the state 250 Million a year in agricultural losses. Come on folks get a job in there fields… get off unemployment and food stamps!!!”
So Voice, you are OK with companies paying out unmatched SS contributions? And you also believe that the huge drain on our medical care/resources as well as straining our educational budgets to the breaking point is balanced out by them NOT taking welfare or other social programs? You do realize that those programs are funded by our tax dollars, right? Dollars that they do NOT pay into???
I think you’ve helped clear up who is really ignorant here…
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
3:28 pm
Yeah Law breaks you say….. Immigration violations are a misdemeanor much like a speeding ticket. So if that is the case we re all a bunch of law breakers who has not gotten a speeding ticket…you bunch of criminals!!!
PTC Bernie
March 23rd, 2012
3:29 pm
police need to be able to enforce immigration law too. Since when do we pick and choose which laws the police enforce. That’s for the judiciary.
B
Rick in Grayson
March 23rd, 2012
3:30 pm
Another Voice: I am quite sure that you know how adult illegal aliens collect SS payments! If you don’t, think about their children that are “citizens” (this should go to the Supreme Court, the 14th amendment was never intended for this purpose, it was intended to provide US citizenship to slaves and their children).
The vast majority of illegal aliens do not pay into SS or unemployment. These workers participate in the underground economy and work on a cash basis. Those that do have their income reported to the IRS run up the number of dependents claimed so they don’t pay much in federal income tax…and those that do usually get money back from the US government as earned income credits. Their is a bill somewhere in Congress that wanted to stop these types of income tax refunds to those who file with tax id numbers (not SS numbers).
These illegal workers are the ones that are taking jobs that should be done by US workers. Those US citizens who don’t find jobs because of illegal workers only increase the use of the unemployment system. That costs all of us $$$!
The children of illegal aliens are attending K-12 at the expense of local taxpayers. That costs all of us $$$$$$! How does a family of four headed by an illegal alien come anywhere close to paying for K-12 educations? 2 children X $10,000/year = $20,000/year for these children!
Employers of illegal aliens have their labor costs subsidized by local taxpayers. The illegal aliens should be fined and deported for taking jobs from US citizens (they are illegal workers) and the employers should be fined and sent to prison for employing illegal workers.
My wife had a heart condition a couple of years ago and I remember waiting in line at Emory behind 12-14 Hispanics (who didn’t speak English) who were getting free medical care. Yes, a couple of them might have been citizens and/or had insurance, but it would be less than 25% of them. Most of them treating a hospital ER as their “doc-in-the-box”. US citizens get hounded by collectors for unpaid medical bills, the illegal aliens get free care without any strings attached.
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
3:31 pm
People complaint about being Oil dependent, now we are heading for food dependency because US citizens will not work the fields and are offended when other come to earn an honest dollar for an honest day of work…GET REAL!!!
Ric
March 23rd, 2012
3:33 pm
Suddenly everybody’s an expert
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
3:34 pm
Undocumented workers do pay SS taxes they are taken out of their paychecks even as they work with a fake SS. The SS administration is sitting on $100 bilion dollar unmatch contributions and growing by 7-8 billion a year… get the facts!!! And thank them for prolonging the life of the program as much of these workers are young and will pay for many years without a chance of ever getting anything, talk about taxation w/o representation, now where did I hear that before….
Me
March 23rd, 2012
3:35 pm
OMG! If they all leave who will put down the pine straw!
God
March 23rd, 2012
3:36 pm
Once you deport my brown people, prepare for your one-way ticket to…..
Rick in Grayson
March 23rd, 2012
3:37 pm
Another Voice: Like I stated earlier, many illegal workers are independent contractors and get paid in CASH! Those that employ them do not pay SS taxes on them. That would be the responsibility of the illegal workers since they are not EMPLOYEES.
Saul
March 23rd, 2012
3:37 pm
Neighborhood watch is the new Klan in Florida.
Realist
March 23rd, 2012
3:41 pm
Exactly how did they get these figures? I question ANY figures
coming from our Fed. Government especially Homeland Insecurity!
Did they walk up to illegals and ask them if they were illegal?
I got lost briefly in Rome, GA a few years ago and pulled into a gas station for
directions and could not find one person who spoke ENGLISH!! I suspect
we have at least three times as many illegals living in the USA as the
Government reports!!
Rick in Grayson
March 23rd, 2012
3:41 pm
Another Voice: those illegal workers that are paying into SS…they are known as…IDENTITY thieves. They have stolen the identities of US citizens to obtain jobs for which they eligible for.
What is the cost for the US citizens who have had their identities stolen by illegal aliens?
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
3:42 pm
Yes some get paid cash ,other do not….Restaurant Workers, food plant workers, carpet mill workers, these folks are in MANY industries…. where CASH is not king, so they get a paycheck and get taxes taken out like everyone else. Some own cars or houses and pay property taxes like everyone else. They buy things and pay sales taxes like the rest of us….. Some us Tax ID Numbers and pay Income taxes…. So if they use education and healthcare is because they are human and many of their children are US citizens anyway they have the right to an education….
Rick in Grayson
March 23rd, 2012
3:46 pm
Realist: You are correct! The US government (especially Obama) does not want to know the REAL numbers. That would only inflame the anger of US citizens picking up the tab for these illegals.
Why do they want to stop Alabama from counting the number of illegal aliens (or their parents) attending Alabama schools? Counting them does not stop them from obtaining the Supreme Court ordered “education”. They don’t want US citizens to know the TRUTH, because we wouldn’t be able to handle the TRUTH. The cost of illegal immigration to the US taxpayers, those taxpayers that are providing a safety net to the poor and uneducated of other nations!
Michael Sims
March 23rd, 2012
3:46 pm
I have several Illegal friends. One thing that strikes me odd. One in particular uses someone else Social Security Number to work. How did that happen? I have two others that work for a major restaurant chain. The Managers know they are illegal. Again, how that happen? Granted these guys love their jobs, they work hard, and believe me their low income jobs is much better than where they came from, but somehow the paperwork gets bypassed. It’s a complicated situation for everyone.
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
3:46 pm
You can try to criminalize, demonize and de -humanize these folks to excuse what WE ALL know this is pure racism. These same arguments were used against Italian, Irish, Polish immigrants in the past and some against African Americans….so what’s new we live in GA and we do not care to learn our lesson in racism. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it must be a duck!!!
Neighborhood Watch Needs to Come to Georgia
March 23rd, 2012
3:47 pm
Maybe we can invite some of those Florida Neighborhood Watch people to come to Georgia and WATCH some of these ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!!! Right on out of our state!
Rick in Grayson
March 23rd, 2012
3:47 pm
Voice: What do you want to say to all those Americans that have had their identities stolen and the lives turned upside down. Those that couldn’t get mortgages because their identities/credit have been stolen.
soul man
March 23rd, 2012
3:48 pm
I don’t see black or white, only shades of grey.
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
3:49 pm
All these business owners Invite these folks to work here….but at the same time like the good republicans they are they love bashing them for being here Illegally, after they made them some money. They do not want to reform the immigration system because things are going good with the status quo. They make money and get to hate on them at the same time…..
Rick in Grayson
March 23rd, 2012
3:49 pm
Voice: the Italians, Polish… came into this country through the FRONT door….LEGALLY! Those here now are here illegally.
State that you understand this or I will assume that you don’t.
I am a Racist and a Bigot
March 23rd, 2012
3:50 pm
I admit I am a Racist and Bigot – but I don’t like nor want Illegal Immigrants here – and I don’t see anything wrong with the POLICE profiling them, asking them for documentation and then holding them for ICE when they can’t prove they are here legally. Quack Quack Quack!!!!!
Centrist
March 23rd, 2012
3:51 pm
Most ILLEGAL immigrants (not “undocumented”) don’t work for businesses that withhold federal, state, or FICA taxes.
But they DO get SSI and WIC payments from Social Security offices that have signs posted all around in both English and Spanish explaining their “rights”. They are in most government subsidy offices, get government subsidized housing – their networking of the overlapping government agencies and freebies is alive and well. Liberals are willing to ignore this is exchange for their ILLEGAL Democratic votes.
In addition to the welfare, SSI, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF – 60 months), WIC, housing, taxpayer supported free hospital care, schooling with free breakfast and lunch, and crime – according to the U.S. Treasury Department, illegal aliens are bilking the federal government for billions because they are filing fraudulent returns. Buying these undocumented Democrat votes and ignoring deportation laws is hurting us badly.
The Treasury reported that the Internal Revenue Service coughed up $4.2 billion in child tax credits for illegal aliens in 2010 rocketed from $924 million in 2005.
ILLEGALS are fraudulently using the Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC), which was created to give more money to taxpayers who cannot claim a full tax credit for children.
Because all wages, even those earned illegally, are taxed, but since illegals cannot get valid Social Security numbers, the government needs a way to track their income and collect what is due. It does so using individual taxpayer identification numbers (ITINs), which, again, are for those taxpayers who cannot obtain a valid Social Security card. The refund credit can be claimed even even if no income tax was withheld or paid, up to $1,000 per child. An estimated additional $1.8 billion was going to illegals via the Earned Income Tax Credit, for which they are also ineligible because it can be claimed only by taxpayers with Social Security numbers.
Rick in Grayson
March 23rd, 2012
3:52 pm
Voice: If you are such an advocate for illegal aliens, are you bringing some into your own home to live and be care for?
Or is this something that you want your fellow (if that is true…maybe you are an illegal alien yourself) US citizens to do?
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
3:54 pm
You tell yourself that… that ALL Europeans came here illegally. I think your ancestors are not telling you the truth. Back then who ever did not get in thru Ellis Island came illegally the US had Immigration quotas back then. You think those folks were about to go back to Europe. Please inform yourself before you post some thing well you know what…. not here to insult anyone!!!
God
March 23rd, 2012
3:55 pm
rick,
God doesn’t believe in labeling. Your all my children.
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
3:57 pm
You do not speak for all USC Rick not for me, just because I choose not to buy into idiocy, nativism or ignorance does not make me any less american that you.
curious
March 23rd, 2012
3:58 pm
Is it still illegal in Georgia to commit adultery or sodomy?
We may have to build more prisons.
Rick in Grayson
March 23rd, 2012
3:59 pm
Voice: I don’t know who you think is being insulting. My post about previous immigrants were that they came in through the FRONT door.
Yes, maybe some did sneak in illegally 100 years ago. It was wrong/illegal then and it still is. It is time that we put a stop to it! Haven’t you noticed that the US government is running record deficits?
Do we have the money to provide “safety” nets for the poor and uneducated citizens of other foreign countries. Those that come into our country illegally and use the “welfare” system that we have developed to help our own poor and uneducated.
Shouldn’t we put the needs of US citizens and legal residents before those of foreign nationals in our country illegally?
patriot
March 23rd, 2012
4:00 pm
The melting pot needs a multitude of flavor.
Realist
March 23rd, 2012
4:00 pm
Another Voice seems to be OK with breaking the law. Calling people
who want to uphold the law and make people come here LEGALLY racist
is demagogery. All of our ancestors immigrated here LEGALLY! They
didn’t break into the country. You don’t have a sound argument for this
behavior so you call anyone who disagrees with you racist.
Rick in Grayson
March 23rd, 2012
4:05 pm
Voice: Please define the actions/beliefs you find behind the following statement:
… just because I choose not to buy into idiocy, nativism or ignorance does not make me any less american that you.
idiocy =
nativism =
ignorance =
I understand these terms, how do you apply them to what we are talking about here?
How is anyone who wants immigrants to enter legally:
(1) an idiot
(2) a nativist
(3) ignorant
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
4:05 pm
Well Rick perhaps you that there is a little thing called supply and demand that applies to many thing in economics one of those is called Labor. When the US needs labor and our Immigration laws do not match the labor needs there is an Imbalance that the market place correct called Illegal Immigration. The only reason these folks came here illegally is because in today’s immigration system there is no way for low skill workers to come here LEGALLY. Just ask the GA farmers….yet when they can make 10 times more in the GA fields that they could back home where they mostly face extreme poverty, they will choose to put food on the table even if it means to live here illegally. The math is simple…..
gandhi
March 23rd, 2012
4:06 pm
I call for a redneck peace summit in Gatlinburg, ya’ll need to calm down.
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
4:06 pm
I did not say you were those things but your arguments may fit there as they say if the shoe fits wear it!!!
Bud
March 23rd, 2012
4:08 pm
Jesus is illegal.
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
4:10 pm
Before the civil right it was legal to discriminate against african american that was “the law” back then….It was a very stupid law but never the less the law. For all of those sticklers for the law….. Immigration violations are misdemeanors much like a speeding tickets they are not crimes. In a misdemeanor you pay a fine and society tells you that your bad behivor is forgiven…. just go to traffic court!!
Rick in Grayson
March 23rd, 2012
4:12 pm
Voice: yes, I understand supply and demand. That would apply to a “fair” economy where “fair” wages are paid by employers. Those that employ cheap labor pass the TRUE cost of they labor onto their fellow taxpayers.
We pay for the healthcare, education, infrastructure that is not being paid for by workers who depress a “fair” labor market. Farmers would have plently of workers if they paid a “fair” wage. A “fair” wage is a wage that will motivate workers to take those jobs.
Farmers today only want to exploit illegal workers and that comes at an enormous cost to fellow taxpayers.
If a farmer can not harvest their crops and make a profit, then they don’t have a good business model. They need to move their farm to a country with a lower wage rate.
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
4:15 pm
Now you have a bleeding heart for farm workers….your argument falls flat when you match it against what the farmers are trying to do to recruit US workers. They could not even get probationers to take the jobs. There is competition in the market place, if you are an American, speak English have a better education level than these folks and you are getting out worked by them something is wrong with you and you need to get your act together. Not saying you Rick personally….
Realist
March 23rd, 2012
4:21 pm
The Federal Government could eliminate all of this problem by
allowing work visas for people who come here from places like
Mexico when their work is needed and there aren’t Americans
available to do the job. California in fact had such a program
back in the 1940s I believe. This way everyone would be legal and
no one would be abused. Instead of calling people racist why
not lobby the Feds to implement such a program. There’s a job
for Homeland Insecurity!!!!
Centrist
March 23rd, 2012
4:23 pm
The vast majority of the electorate and their representatives have started to address the PROBLEM of ILLEGAL immigration in Georgia. The federal government has been shirking its duty, but even that is slowly changing. It will change more, just like photo ID voting laws. Liberals oppose photo ID to vote because it robs ILLEGAL immigrants the right to vote for them.
Rick in Grayson
March 23rd, 2012
4:24 pm
Voice: what I am saying is that the farmers need to keep raising their wages until enough LEGAL workers take the jobs to harvest their crops. They can raise the rates to $40.00/hour if need be to get workers. If they can’t make a profit, then we need to purchase those food products from another country until wage rates equally and those food products can again be grown here in the US.
Don’t have local taxpayers shelling out money to pay for heathcare and education for illegal aliens employed cheaply by farmers (any employer).
I would hope that you believe in the “rule of law”. The US doesn’t seem to want to enforce the “rule of law” anymore. Anything goes, anyone can enter the country and soon it will be just like any other poor, uneducated country.
Providing taxpayer resources to foreign nationals in the US legally sound great to you and other, but at some point the money will run out. In fact, it already has run out. We will see in the next 15 years just how many seniors will be able to put food on the table in their retirement years. It won’t be pretty…but we will have provided for foreign nationals with our tax dollars.
ld
March 23rd, 2012
4:26 pm
Most of these illegals are from across our southern border?
Either the USA needs to get control over the illegal immigration problem
or
begin talks w/Mexico about a MERGER of the two nations.
Whatever else federal officials do–specifically including each and every member of Congress–they should invite the illegals to go home. But…
Employers like that the illegals will work for less.
Polititions fear alienating the employer class and/or the Hispanic voters.
America’s business and political leadership: Greedy. Cowardly.
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
4:27 pm
Centrist get REAL Illegal voting bars anyone from ever regularizing thei Immigration status in the US. Now let’s think about this if you are in the US illegally and you have a glimmer of hope that politicians will some day fix the problem and allow you to be legal, would you vote!!!! Most of these folsk never voted in their country they will not vote here…..you got to know things before you post. Just saying other wise it does not help you look smart
Rick in Grayson
March 23rd, 2012
4:29 pm
Realist: I agree with the work visas as do many others. We do have to solve the problem of providing for US citizens who are able to work but prefer to collect their welfare checks. We have to plug the “holes” before we add any more water to the ship or it will surely sink.
We also will have to deal with providing US citizenship to those foreign nationals working on visas who would deliver children into the US. I don’t think we need to encourage any more anchor babies.
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
4:30 pm
Well Rick if you want to tell farmers how to make a profit and run their business fine by me. But I recommend you to read the report from the GA Agriculture commissioner, wages is not the issue here. The US workers do not want to do these jobs….. the immigrants do and do it well that is their gig they are farm workers. So you can increase wages we will all pay more for food, that does not mean that US workers will rush to these jobs, look at the 9% GA unemployment and GA Ag industry still losing millions of dollars and no US workers.
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
4:32 pm
Now you are for giving them visas Rick that is giving them legal status you know.. since you are so against them. You may want to rethink that one…..
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
4:35 pm
Anchor baby is a derogatory term they are US citizens just like you as long as the 14th amendment of the US constitution remains in it’s current form, and they can not help their parent until they are 21 years old so…. if you have small children as most Immigrants do your wait illegally is some 2 odd years before you can start the process that it will take another few years more before you can be legal, I m sure they are all going for that……..
ld
March 23rd, 2012
4:35 pm
I am registered as an independent voter. I consider myself a progressive but not a “liberal”–I’m far too ‘politically incorrect’ for that. I’m FOR a national photo ID law–but then I’m NOT a criminal and I don’t live in daily fear of hell or terror with regard to anything involving the number 666.
If we cannot get a national photo ID law, then there at least needs to be a requirement that everyone must have a photo ID for receiving any and all kinds of income or benefit from gov’t–preferably both federal and state. If the US Congress is too cowardly and/or greedy to pass one, hopefully the states–state by state–eventually will. Otherwise, we need a new Constitutional Congress.
This is both a economic issue and a national security issue.
Rick in Grayson
March 23rd, 2012
4:36 pm
Voice: are you aware that Mexico requires all voters to show a government photo id before voting? I read recently that many Mexican citizens have a strong propensity for voting (something that I would not have guessed).
Makes you wonder why the federal government under Obama (US attorney – Eric Holder) is informing several states (South Carolina…maybe Texas) that they cannot require a government photo id. Mexico does it! It is a constitutional REQUIREMENT that you be a US citizen to vote in a federal/state election.
Why they don’t CHECK this citizenship requirement before allowing someone to vote is beyond me. They do check that drivers have drivers licenses
…oh well, you can get away with a driver license or insurance if you are an illegal alien.
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
4:36 pm
Baby turns 21 you can ask for your parents, then go for the process another 10years= legal. Good strategy!!
jconservative
March 23rd, 2012
4:38 pm
The market is driving the increase in the number from 2000 to 2011 and the apparent reduction from 2009 to 2011 (per other sources). There is a demand for illegal labor. As long as there is a demand, that demand will be filled. American capitalism.
The last 5 US presidents have not been very tough on illegals because illegals drive a portion of the US economy. And that portion of the economy are major contributors to political parties.
Congress has failed to get a handle on illegals because each party base will not allow a compromise.
This will get handled only when the base of the two parties allow a compromise.
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
4:38 pm
Rick we are talking the US not MEXICO your argument has no bearing here…..at ALL. As I said before illegal voting bars anyone from Immigration status. These people care more about that than anything else. Not sure if you know but living in GA illegally isn’t exactly a walk in the park…..
Rick in Grayson
March 23rd, 2012
4:44 pm
Voice: my intent on the voting issue is that immigration/citizenship status is not checked when voting in many (primarily Democratic) states. If no one is checking, how will anyone be “caught” voting illegally. Illegal aliens can vote under any name because we don’t have a real SS number/birth certificate/legal name changes to identify them.
The can be Jose Gonzales and vote as Romero Silva and no one would be the wiser. They would not jeopardize their immigration status because we can’t IDENTIFY them as anyone. That is the problem, they are here illegally, they are “undocumented”, they have no “identities”.
mambo
March 23rd, 2012
4:46 pm
Hey Jim they’re not “unauthorized”, they’re” illegal criminals”. It’s amazing how easy it is to get rid of them when they can’t get work. Good riddance!!
ld
March 23rd, 2012
4:48 pm
I suspect the reluctance to address the illegal immigration problem–especially on the GOP side of the aisle–stems from the same motivations that Reagan had in firing the air traffic controllers–the desire to break the unions and keep labor as cheap as possible and, therefore, profits as high as possible.
There is nothing wrong with having a guest worker program that is beneficial to agriculture–
but that has become a phoney argument; illegals now activly seeking the construction jobs that were once a living wage for families and, because those jobs increased in better summer weather, were ONCE UPON A TIME summer jobs for teen boys.
NOW, illegals keep wages and make insurance claims less likely–substantially decrease the cost of hiring an employee unless and until something tragic happens. “Getting caught” has little or no adverse effect. In fact, it has been rumored that employers sometimes quietly turn in some of their own less productive employees.
As long as illegals can find jobs and housing, they’ll keep coming. As long as the people that SHOULD be making certain our borders are secure are too cowardly or greedy to do so, they’ll keep coming. I cannot shake the feeling that this is a time bomb just waiting to explode.
DannyX
March 23rd, 2012
4:48 pm
“Hey Jim they’re not “unauthorized”, they’re” illegal criminals””
Um, no they are Christian immigrants from the south.
Another Voice
March 23rd, 2012
4:56 pm
Rick if they vote they can never be legal…..what part of that is hard for you to understand. They will never take that risk….ALL they want is to be here legally!!!
ld
March 23rd, 2012
4:57 pm
It was once unlawful to slap a man on the back in Georgia. Not sure if it still is.
Those that have a soft spot for the illegals should at least be willing to join a call to register all of them–
If there is a law they must go get a Visitors photo ID or be jailed at some tent camp in the Arizona desert, then at least we could begin to get a more precise measure of the scope of the problem.
Rick in Grayson
March 23rd, 2012
4:57 pm
ld: yes, it is unfortunate that illegal aliens have taken fast food, construction, waiter/waitree…jobs that teens once did as a first job. Our teens are not learning job skills like being on time, working hard, etc.
Illegal aliens have also decimated US citizens who used to run small construction businesses. Hard to compete with illegal workers who will get food from food banks, live 10 to a home. I would also say they do work hard…harder that most US citizens at those jobs (this is a generalization).
How about the illegal workers that got hurt (one died) contructing a feature at the Atlanta Botanical Garders a couple of years ago. That “big” construction company didn’t suffer much for hiring illegal workers although they did get sued by some of those same workers or their families.
Unfortuately, we need to find a way to make US citizens do some kind of work for their welfare checks. Get a government check and they can still work in the underground economy…fleecing the US government (that would be US!).
ld
March 23rd, 2012
4:57 pm
no habla
ld
March 23rd, 2012
4:58 pm
Rick, we’re not disagreeing.
Julie
March 23rd, 2012
4:59 pm
It appears that Arizona’s laws regarding illegal aliens are working. Other states should follow their lead
ld
March 23rd, 2012
5:01 pm
I have to present my photo ID in Georgia when I vote; I have no problem with that.
You should know, though, that the poll workers do not look at the photo ID’s very closely.
The GSP made a mistake on mine that COULD have disqualified me from voting on Super Tuesday if anyone had noticed it. I did vote legally–where I’ve voted since I turned 18–put given the changed and inaccurate info on the face of my driver’s license, I probably should have at least been questioned.
Rick in Grayson
March 23rd, 2012
5:01 pm
Voice: I think you miss my point. They will not endanger their immigration status because we cannot PROVE that they voted. They don’t have traceable names here in the US and we don’t have their fingerprints or retinal scans.
You would be correct if we collected fingerprints from all those who voted and kept them in a database. Anyone attempting to get legal status could have their fingerprints checked in the database.
I’m not saying that illegal aliens are voting, but I am saying that they could get away with it in states where US citizenship is not verified before a voter is registered to vote and that voter must carry a government issued photo id (fingerprint scan) to verify they are who they say they are.
MyPatootie
March 23rd, 2012
5:04 pm
Unless it has changed about 50% of them would be in Whitfield County(Dalton) from what I saw and then read doing some research. Don’t know why unless it’s the carpet industry. Also would guess that about 25% of those in southern GA are in Colquitt Co. (Moultrie) due to agricultural work. Check out the Mon. and Tues. newspaper there and you will find anywhere from 3-5 arrests for no DL, DUI, etc. from the weekend. In addtion there have been several recent incidents of people there finding out their SSN had been used on income tax filings. Hmmmmm, wonder who could be doing that?
Rick in Grayson
March 23rd, 2012
5:07 pm
Julie: Arizona has a great law and it appears to be working. It would have worked better if the ACLU did not gut the law of it’s best enforcement clauses.
I believe the Supreme Court will be taking up the Arizona law before the next election. I hope they find in favor of the American people who have been betrayed by their politicans and place the interests of illegal aliens before those of US citizens and legal residents!
fire eater
March 23rd, 2012
5:12 pm
The campaign against illegal aliens by Georgia and other Red States is producing tangible good results. By further ramping up the pressure on illegals, even more will depart. Perhaps they will go to Kalifornia and other Blue states to further burden their social services and criminal justice systems. Maybe they will vote in even more radical Democrats. To all liberals there, ENJOY!
The best indictment of post-1965 immigration to the US has been penned by the conservative champion, Patrick J. Buchanan. It is “Suicide of a Superpower”…it’s publication brought Pat’s removal from MSNBC at the same time it hired Al Sharpton. “Not fit for a national dialogue” intoned the media masters at NSNBC. “Hate” and “bigotry” screeched the Thought Police at ADL and the human blights “activists” now busy raising riots in Florida.
Real conservatives must read and ponder Pat’s book.
ld
March 23rd, 2012
5:12 pm
Rick
We are probably remembering reading about the same “tragic” incident–
why I wrote unless something “tragic” happens.
My point is, the Justice Department —
not just some trial lawyer via the civil court —
should have made certain this construction company FELT the adverse consequences of hiring an illegal.
Until there are serious financial and criminal consequences for hiring illegals and/or for housing them, they will come.
I have no problem w/creating the guest worker program for agriculture and /or other even some other industries –provided the illegals would not be citizens and not entitled to the massive entitlements of “the great society” because the illegally crossed the border unable to work.
There needs to be a PUSH for laws requiring these illegals to have a VISITOR PHOTO ID or be put in prison camps while the rest of the issues are decided.
We cannot solve the problems associated with illegal immigration until we clearly identify the problem and, equally importantly, KNOW THE FULL SCOPE OF THE PROBLEM.
These problems include harm to the illegals as well. How many children are not on milk cartons because their parents are afraid to report them missing? How many people are the victims of unreported crimes because they are afraid to call the police?
That the members of Congress refuse to deal with this issue in a practical way is enough reason to replace ALL of them.
ld
March 23rd, 2012
5:15 pm
Illegals also ‘feed’ the total UNDERGROUND economy–an economy that is not taxed, forcing those of us operating within the legal economy to be taxed more.
Centrist
March 23rd, 2012
5:15 pm
No sense in debating this any further. Another Voice is the minority of the minority. Georgia’s anti-ILLEGAL immigration law is popular and working as it was designed.
ld
March 23rd, 2012
5:21 pm
Bullsh*t.
While I do not know that Pat Buchanan and I agree on much–
he is a religious zealot; I believe in individual liberty.
(Religion, as law/government, (a/k/a theocracy) is tyranny–NOT freedom)–
on thisone point we might well agree:
We DESPARATELY NEED a “national dialogue” on this illegal immigration issue w/much candor and w/o the “pollitical correctness” that infests the political class and the talking heads.
As I recall, Newt, while politickin’, said that if the illegals are members of their church community and had been for a while–decade or so–then we couldn’t send them home. In my view, this just makes them career criminals.
I get that they want a better life; they should not start it w/an illegal act.
Ken Dreger
March 23rd, 2012
5:25 pm
The term undocumented immigrants is purposely incorrect in order to sway the public in favor of special interest groups and only clouds the reality of the situation… The term illegal alien is broader and more accurate because it includes undocumented aliens and nonimmigrant visa overstayers. …the term illegal alien, being broader in scope, is the accurate term to use. In that immigrant connotes legality, the term illegal immigrant is really an oxymoron.
To clarify, an alien is any person who is not a citizen or national of the United States. An immigrant is an alien admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident.
An illegal alien is someone who enters the United States without immigration inspection or without an appropriate visa authorizing entry.
The term illegal immigrant is often used interchangeably with illegal alien. However, the correct term for a person entering the United States unlawfully is illegal alien.
The politically-correct phrase undocumented immigrant has no legal basis – it is simply a term used by those who support open borders as an attempt to reframe terminology used in the immigration debate.
A permanent resident alien is an alien lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residency. Permanent residents are also sometimes referred to as immigrants. Note that the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) broadly defines an immigrant as any alien in the United States, except one legally admitted under specific nonimmigrant categories (INA section 101(a)(15)).
Only legal permanent residents may reside permanently in the United States. The Department of State issues visas for this purpose. Other agencies can adjust one’s immigration status to permanent resident alien.
If you continue to use Illegal Immigrant why not use the term Undocumented Pharmacists for drug dealers, or Undocumented asset managers for a thief?
You see, it is only the media who tries to be politically correct when it reality nobody can, something will offend someone at sometime, so let’s just tell it like it is and be truthful about it.
People who overstay visa, sneak over ANY countries borders without documentation ARE “ILLEGAL ALIENS” PERIOD.
ld
March 23rd, 2012
5:28 pm
The amount of gang grafitti in Hall County increased along with the illegal population drawn to the chicken plants.
The moneyed owner/investor/employer class (for whose benefit Ronald Reagan gave the “first” wave of illegal immigrants from Mexico) DO NOT pass the savings on to the consumers–evidence the rise in prices along w/the rise in illegals over the last decade+. They have enjoyed an increase in profit.
ld
March 23rd, 2012
5:34 pm
Ken
Sounds like you, too, find extreme political correctness irksome. Pity the few that try to dish a blunt dose of reality too often get shouted down.
I don’t know how many of the illegal immigrants are just agricultural workers or construction workers and/or how many might be illegal pharmacists or illegal arm’s dealers or even human slave traffickers–that’s part of the problem.
Until the full scope of the problem is fully identified, Congress cannot even convincingly pretend to make informed decisions
Ted
March 23rd, 2012
5:38 pm
The ignorance of the pro-illegal immigration comments are always depressing, but they’ll eventually change their tune. They just need to keep banging the drum for open borders and “there’s not such thing as illegal” and all that nonsense until one day they wake up and see their neighborhood is looking like mine here in Southern California. “Danny X” seems to think the concept of higher taxes, schools and emergencies overrun with illegals who don’t pay into the system, etc., is a “lie.” Danny, my friend, move out to my neighborhood – a nice middle-class neighborhood 20 years ago – for six months and then tell me that illegal immigration is not a problem.
ld
March 23rd, 2012
5:44 pm
Illegal imigrants want the benefits of citizenship w/o the responsibility. Many send money they, as citizens, might otherwise pay in tax “home” to Mexico.
This dual citizenship issue needs to be looked at as well. How many of these people vote in BOTH countries? and where are their true loyalities?
I also understand that PR is set to vote later this year on whether or no to become the 51st state. These people need to accept the responsibilities of citizenship if they want to keep the benefits of citizenship.
The US Congress and Mexican authorities need to decide–is there or is there not a border between the US and Mexico; if we are one undivided nation, then the part south of the Rio Grand needs to accept responsibilities of citizenship those north must bear and be subject to US law. However,
I doubt they actually will be willing to do that–Mexico, whether as an underground and coordinated effort or just happenstance, seems to be well on their way to annexing parts of the US, especially in the in the southwest.
Spank me sideways
March 23rd, 2012
5:55 pm
Field Director for Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Atlanta
Field Skinner
One appoints her with her Obama buddies to handle our immigration problems in Georgia. We live in a society where thugs and associates are given federal positions to jail the people that do our tough labor. Tough stance on those that do the toughest jobs.
Spank me sideways
March 23rd, 2012
5:56 pm
*Felicia
Istabul
March 23rd, 2012
6:07 pm
Spank me sideways
Don’t sweat it pal. The civilized man has parted ways with tackling corruption. He stands by dirt bags and thugs.
Not Blind
March 23rd, 2012
6:11 pm
How ironic, on the AJC homepage the article just above this article is about illegal aliens in Smyrna with multiple handguns, assault rifles, counterfeit money, drugs, etc. There are FAR more of these types of illegal aliens than the liberals want to admit. Doesn’t matter, let them all in.
Going Right
March 23rd, 2012
6:25 pm
Another Voice @ 3:08pm;
So many ignorant people posting here
If I can point out one “ignorant person” who is posting on this blog, will you not post any other “ignorant posts?”
Bud
March 23rd, 2012
6:25 pm
The children of God can live wherever they find themselves in/on this World. The word illegal doesn’t exist in the eyes of the Lord.
Americano
March 23rd, 2012
6:27 pm
Deport Christians 4 a better America!
Metro Mensa Man
March 23rd, 2012
6:35 pm
Ken Dreger:
In an otherwise good post, I would only take issue with one small statement that I cannot agree with, to wit:
“…the term illegal immigrant is really an oxymoron.”
My father and mother were “immigrants” from Ireland in the 30’s. Just so happen they were legal but that makes no difference; not all immigrants are illegal, ergo the statement about “illegal immigrants” being an oxymoron doesn’t fit.
Church of the painful Truth
March 23rd, 2012
6:37 pm
All (illegals,white,black and any other color) are invited to our service this Sunday.We are having a message on Hoodies,ponchos and wool vest. Our minister will be wearing a hoodie over a wool vest and our choir will be wearing ponchos while singing “We shall overcome someday” Ya’ll come,you hear!!! P.S. We wiil be receiving a LOVE OFFERING.Show me the Money!!!
20/20
March 23rd, 2012
6:42 pm
Only those who are not Americans would not capitalize the “A” in America unless, of course, they are socialist Democrats in which case they can’t even spell it correctly. For them, you see, it’s AMERIKA – all caps of course to further blur their vapid intellect.
td
March 23rd, 2012
6:51 pm
We are either a nation of laws or we are not. If people are here illegally then they need to go back to their country and get into the back of the line and wait their turn until they can come here legally.
snellville
March 23rd, 2012
6:54 pm
Polite golf clap to the use of the word, ergo.
randy
March 23rd, 2012
7:04 pm
I welcome Christians to the Southernland wherever they may come from. Jesus was illegal when they stoned him.
Laurie
March 23rd, 2012
7:05 pm
Dear BATS, how did those India programmer and support group work out for you? Signed, a citizen of the United States.
Positive mind
March 23rd, 2012
7:11 pm
It does not matter who you are. Both black people and white people are being barbaric and directing their own problems towards a minority. I know one too many business owners who are putting drugs in our youth’s pockets. Their is only one way to think according to these so-called conservatives. Conservatism is not hatred. It is fiscal responsibility. These so-called illegals are not draining the system. The system is already drained.
Gene Ralno
March 23rd, 2012
7:21 pm
Hey Voice, would you open the borders to every nation or just to Mexico? If you don’t answer this question, everyone here will assume it’s you who is the racist. If you’re a citizen, and I have doubts, why don’t you stand with your countrymen in lieu of your friends and relatives from Mexico?
randy
March 23rd, 2012
7:26 pm
gene,
mi casa, su casa
DLink
March 23rd, 2012
7:40 pm
Illegal immigrants basically fulfill a “slavery” function, for the most part, in the U.S. today. Sure, 10% fulfill jobs anyone might be interested in… To be honest, not terribly interested in anyone’s immigration status. ANYBODIES.
It’s a BS “talking point”, like “birth control”, or “death penalty”. Any new laws on immigration will be used to abuse. I don’t much care for any of it. Find a way to tax them to pay for their stay. They’re here for a reason, someone needs them. Maybe not you, or I. Someone does, or they wouldn’t be here.
You wanna kill this issue, let me tell you how to do it. Find a way to enforce all workers rights on immigrants and put them on a level playing field with Americans. All the pay, workman’s comp, tax illegals as we tax ourselves. Problem solved. Hold businesses hiring illegals accountable.
Don’t take their illegal workers away, enforce a level playing field. Make them pay to play here in the U.S. Like being on parole, you get one shot. ANYTHING illegal, go home. Notice, that’s kinda the way it is now. Except for the business part, which has to play strictly by the rules. Which, in the U.S. means, using as many people as possible to make myself the most money possible for yourself.
I wonder how many so called “Entitlement” programs have kept a business going by providing for the health of the people making them the money. Legal, or Illegal. I’m just saying, someone has to pay for what businesses are not, anymore. BALANCE THE BUDGET.
The rest is sniveling ideology.
Hard Workers
March 23rd, 2012
7:52 pm
This class warfare is simply the antics of the republican party. It is not this way for an accident.
Jay
March 23rd, 2012
7:57 pm
Rick in grayson…Most of all the identity/credit was stolen by Americans, what’s your point? Now all you repubs want to blame Pres.Obama. Anything that happen in this country you want to blame our President…Racism in Georgia…Guest what , the Demographics are changing in Georgia, in time you will be the minority….We are all created equal…
Ugly American
March 23rd, 2012
8:21 pm
These figures from the Census actually are probably off by quite a bit. When the Census was done in 2010 Spanish language media was telling illegal aliens not to fill out the forms because they would be used to locate and deport them.
Every law made with the intent of trying to get a good estimate of how many unregistered foreign nationals are here without permission has been fought tooth and nail by Mexico. The simple fact is that if we don’t know, they can say it is any number they think people might believe. It is in Obama’s interest and Latin America’s that we don’t know the truth.
If the true number of illegal foreign nationals was ever known two things are certain;
(1) There would be a lot more of them than our government says there are.
(2) There are not as many as pro-illegal alien groups and their countries want us to think there are.
The real figure is probably around twenty to twenty-five million, most from Latin America. Where do you think all the tremendous growth in the Latino population has come from? Anchor babies and illegal aliens.
Peter in NC
March 23rd, 2012
8:40 pm
Wow, so much to absorb.
As with saying there is 20,000 less people paying sales tax and such. That only means that 20,000 jobs are available to Americans now that otherwise might not have a choice. Many of those here illegally are paid under the table anyway, so there is no SS or other taxes taken out of a ‘check’. Also, that means the system can save from all the paying out of benefits to Americans in various forms while they were not working.
Anyway,
Also, since they are breaking the laws with forged and stolen id in many cases, their children are being brought up in a criminal state of mind and learn to get around, break, and disobey laws. I do know that if someone was trespassing on my land, I would run them off or call the police, but we are not supposed to do anything about it?
If someone broke into my house to steal, I’m suppose to feed them? Am I supposed to ask them if they have enough or need more and show them where the valuables are kept before I show them out? Or am I supposed to get the guest room ready? Well, that is how we are treating illegal aliens.
I’m not one to judge, but I do know, that because everything has been broken for so long, it is going to be a tough ride to get back on track and a very bumpy ride.
Ellis Island
March 23rd, 2012
9:14 pm
Immigration isn’t the problem — illegal immigration is the problem. Irish and Polish immigrants stopped at the border for inspection.
td
March 23rd, 2012
10:05 pm
Ellis Island
March 23rd, 2012
9:14 pm
Amen. My wife spent a year in Indonesia on a small island in quarantine before she was allowed to come into the country. She waited her turn in the back of the line. I is time for the rest of the illegals to do the same.
WhiteDude
March 23rd, 2012
10:33 pm
Asia for Asians, Africa for Africans, White countries for everyone?
Everybody
says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will
be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY
into White countries.
The Netherlands and Belgium are more
crowded than Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve
this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote
assimilating unquote with them.
Everybody says the final
solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY White
countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-Whites.
What
if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be
solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into
EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries? How long would it
take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am
talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem? And how long
would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho
black man wouldn’t object to this?
But if I tell that obvious
truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the White
race, Liberals and respectable conservatives will just say that I’m a
naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.
Ignorant Armchair Economist
March 23rd, 2012
10:35 pm
Doesn’t matter who wins the economic argument as economics seems irrelevant when we’re discussing 3% or less of the US population. The issue is too complex to rely on one, or four or five proofs to make one’s case.
The real issue is how do we humanely solve a problem. Emotional arguments historically produce inferior results, as do good intentions. When the problem is rooted in competition for basic resources, we should resist the natural tendency to “go caveman” or moralistic. Each of us who made an entry tonight should start over. Deconstruct your reasoning with an eye toward the solution. Accept that you could be wrong and sure that you might be. If we all do this we will find the way.
WhiteDude
March 23rd, 2012
10:49 pm
Asia for Asians, Africa for Africans, White countries for everyone?
Everybody
says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will.
be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY.
into White countries.
The Netherlands and Belgium are more.
crowded than Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve.
this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote.
assimilating unquote with them.
Everybody says the final.
solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY White.
countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-Whites.
What
if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be.
solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into.
EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries? How long would it.
take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am
talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem? And how long.
would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho.
black man wouldn’t object to this?
But if I tell that obvious.
truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the White.
race, Liberals and respectable conservatives will just say that I’m a.
naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.
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The Future
March 23rd, 2012
11:01 pm
Reality check, anybody that is smart and succesful knows the importance of the hispanic work force.
The people who complain and nag are simply failures, unhappy and want someone to blame for there frustations. Wake up people! Work and leave others alone and forget about all those percentages and numbers. There are enough US born kids with Mexican blood that will have voice and will be able to vote in the very near future, and that’s that folks! Yallll should treat them nice.
ZzzzzZzzzz......
March 23rd, 2012
11:07 pm
Yawn and whatever.
Rick in Grayson
March 24th, 2012
5:21 am
We need to encourage our Congressional representatives to pass the E-Verify bill to mandate checking of immigration status for all employees of all employers. US citizens need to take back jobs currently performed by illegal aliens. Here is an excerpt from NumbersUSA!
Minority voters support E-Verify because illegal immigration hurts mostly those Americans who can least afford it, unskilled and low- skilled workers. If the president and Congress wish to help these workers, the Legal Workforce Act is the clear road to do so. When the Chipotle fast-food company was audited and hundreds of its illegal workers were fired, American citizens lined up for blocks the next day for a chance at those jobs.
But not all illegal immigrants are unskilled or low-skilled labor or from Latin American countries. In fact, 40 percent of illegal immigrants are visa overstays from European, Asian, and other countries many of whom take high-end jobs from Americans. E-Verify also would return those high-skilled jobs to American workers.
Rick in Grayson
March 24th, 2012
5:24 am
Support the passage of a mandatory E-Verify bill in all states. Excerpt from NumbersUSA article:
Without the ability to obtain a job in the United States, most illegal immigrants will self- deport, as evidenced by the number of illegal immigrants who have self-deported during the building industry downturn.
E-Verify simply matches a person’s name, Social Security number, and birthdate against Social Security Administration and Department of Homeland Security databases. Its accuracy rate is far superior to that of the I-9 forms, that are currently used to check eligibility, it lowers costs for employers, and its race-neutral.
U.S. Citizernship and Immigration Services data from 2010 show that 98.3 percent of employees were confirmed as work-authorized instantly or within 24 hours using E-Verify. A 2009 report from the research firm Westat found that that those eligible to work are immediately confirmed 99.5 percent of the time.
We know the bill would open millions of jobs for American workers. It would lessen the need to keep extending unemployment benefits. It’s also politically popular.
DfwDude
March 24th, 2012
9:10 am
Here’s to ya Voice. (not a complement)
People complaint about being Oil dependent, now we are heading for food dependency because US citizens will not work the fields and are offended when other come to earn an honest dollar for an honest day of work…GET REAL!!!
Voice..If I needed a job and all I could find is field work…then field work is what i’d do to put food on the table for my family,a roof over their heads and clothes on their back!
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You can try to criminalize, demonize and de -humanize these folks to excuse what WE ALL know this is pure racism.
Voice, It is NOT racists to want the laws of the land to be followed and enforced!
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Immigration violations are misdemeanors much like a speeding tickets they are not crimes.
Voice,If a deported illegal alien returns back into the US,then it becomes a felony!
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Anchor baby is a derogatory term
Voice,no anchor baby is a term to describe how/why illegals sneak into the US to birth the child to reap the benefits from being born a citizen.
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ALL they want is to be here legally!!!
Voice,All immigrants want to be in the US legally…There are some who do it the correct way and deserve it. Then there are those who come here illegally and believe they have right to make demands,then they expect to be granted amnesty like a get out of jail card.
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Anne Mitchell
March 24th, 2012
9:23 am
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304537904577277242682364690.html
‘Californias’ Greek Tragedy’ from the Wall Street Journal
Parents shun ESL-majority schools
http://www.petaluma360.com/article/20120318/ARTICLES/120319609/0/PT07?p=1&tc=pg
Another Voice
March 24th, 2012
5:25 pm
NumbersUSA is a restrictionist group that has been associated with many hate groups.
Ole Guy
March 24th, 2012
5:34 pm
There is absolutely nothing racist nor biggot-bound in wanting everyone, with whom you “share the sidewalks” of life in these-here United States, being here legally. The arguements are many; they have all been documented, discussed to death and re-discussed. The reason this stuff continues is all-too-painfully apparent…governmental laxity, ineptitude, and an obvious attitude of pandering to the economic interists of cheap labor availability.