A lottery-fueled gambling complex in Norcross?

This just arrived from Greg Bluestein and the Associated Press. Charlotte Nash, the chairman of the Gwinnett County Commission, said she is “intrigued” by the proposal:

A developer is betting that Georgia residents are ready for a gambling facility, and he’s unveiled plans to build a sprawling new complex near Atlanta that he hopes can give a jolt to the state’s economy and infuse the popular HOPE scholarship program with much-needed cash.

Dan O’Leary [said] Tuesday he wants to build a $1 billion entertainment complex near Norcross that includes a towering hotel, a spacious theater and a game floor with 7,500 video lottery machines.

Gambling proposals have emerged in recent years in Georgia and other states hard-hit by the economic downturn. It’s been a tough sell in Georgia, where conservative groups and legislators fear it could erode family values and lead to increases in crime and divorce.

O’Leary said the development could funnel $350 million each year to the struggling college scholarship program.

“Our project will completely solve the HOPE problem and will help Georgia in a huge way. It can start building back up HOPE’s reserves, send more kids to college, send more kids to prekindergarten — and we can do it today,” he said.

It isn’t the first time that O’Leary has rolled the dice on an ambitious gambling project. He had a plan in 2009 to transform Underground Atlanta, the downtown attraction he operates, into a casino with restaurants, shops and a hotel. The project was scuttled amid opposition from then-Gov. Sonny Perdue.

O’Leary said his new project won’t need legislative approval because it involves video terminals already permitted under state law. But it will need the backing of the Georgia Lottery Board, which would regulate the gambling machines, and whose members are appointed by Gov. Nathan Deal.

It’s unclear where Deal stands on the project, but records obtained through the state’s sunshine laws indicate O’Leary met with Deal and his chief-of-staff, Chris Riley, in January.

Deal’s office didn’t immediately comment on the specifics of the proposal. In an earlier interview Tuesday, the governor said that he generally doesn’t think Georgia is “compatible with a casino-type environment.”

“That’s a discussion that we have not had with the lottery board,” he said when asked about his views on video lottery terminals. “I have some concerns about it, obviously. I do not support the casino-type concept. I don’t think that is good for our state. And I’ve also said I do not support other forms of gambling that some have suggested as a revenue measure.”

O’Leary is careful not to call his project a casino and said it wouldn’t expand gambling in Georgia. State law bans Las Vegas-style card games like poker, but the state lottery charter doesn’t specifically outlaw video lottery terminals. The Georgia attorney general’s office said in a March 2010 letter that the terminals are “generally permitted” under state law.

The lottery board didn’t immediately comment. The board’s chairman, James Braswell, has said he believes his agency has the legal authority to add the machines. But he has said it couldn’t do so without a broader discussion with politicians and the public.

The struggles of the HOPE scholarship program give O’Leary an opening to make his case for the machines. Lawmakers made massive cuts to the program and the state’s prekindergarten programs last year, doing away with full scholarships for all but the highest-performing students and slashing 20 days out of the pre-k calendar. Deal said he hopes to restore funding for some of those days.

The scholarship program also no longer pays for books or campus fees, meaning that students must shell out thousands of dollars more each year to attend college in Georgia. Deal has said the cuts were needed to prevent the increasingly popular programs from going bankrupt after demand for the scholarships and pre-k outpaced lottery sales.

The complex would be built on 122 acres O’Leary has a contract to buy from fiber optics manufacturer OFS, which will keep a facility on site. It sits off Interstate 85 and features a rail line that could one day connect to the Doraville MARTA station.

The proposal calls for a top-notch complex that includes stores, restaurants and attractions for gamblers and others, O’Leary said. He projects the development to draw five million visitors each year.

“Our facility will be world class. It will be first class. But it won’t be the glitzy Las Vegas Strip,” he said. “It will have a very posh feel. And it will be something the state of Georgia is tremendously proud of.”

The first phase of the development, estimated to cost $400 million, will feature a towering 24-story hotel with 500 rooms, the gambling floor and a parking garage. The second phase would build another hotel tower with an additional 1,000 rooms, a 5,000-seat theater and another parking garage.

The terminals resemble video slot machines, which are hooked into a centralized computer system that would be regulated by the lottery board. Supporters compare the games to instant-win tickets that are sold by the lottery and offer immediate payouts. The machines would spit out receipts that can be redeemed for money.

They are being used in at least eight states and proposals are pending in several others.

O’Leary said he has a letter of intent with Dover Downs, a company that operates a hotel and casino with video lottery terminals in Delaware, to develop the project. The Delaware Lottery says it has raised $2 billion from video lottery terminals at Dover Downs and other casinos since 1995. That facility now includes Las Vegas-style games like poker, a sports book and horse racing. O’Leary said he has no plans to expand his proposal into other areas of gambling.

All told, O’Leary said the complex is estimated to cost about $1 billion, create 2,500 new jobs, generate 1,000 additional construction jobs and set off a new boom that could revitalize the downtrodden area where it will be built. He said the first phase can be up and running within 18 months of getting the green light to build.

The developer estimates his project will generate $700 million in annual revenue, half of which will go to the lottery.
Charlotte Nash, who chairs the Gwinnett County commission, said she is considering the proposal and was intrigued by a recent visit to Dover Downs.

“From my initial views, there’s a substantial potential impact related to job creation,” said Nash, who said the commission is still vetting the project. “And we certainly see the fact that the HOPE scholarship needs help on a long-term basis. The hope is that this could help.”

The proposal comes after a study late last year found a trio of casinos built in metro Atlanta, Savannah and Jekyll Island could produce nearly $1 billion in revenue each year for Georgia.

O’Leary, who was been pushing video lottery projects in Georgia for eight years, acknowledges he has a battle ahead of him. But he sees his proposal as a bold solution to the HOPE scholarship dilemma.

“We have one of the best-run lotteries in the country. But it’s a mature business,” O’Leary said. “One more scratch-off game isn’t going to do it.”

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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110 comments Add your comment

GaBlue

February 28th, 2012
9:21 pm

Don’t give me the old “this will benefit education” garbage. What a steaming crockpot of poo.

rooster

February 28th, 2012
9:56 pm

Actually, Scott, Connecticut and Indiana continue to forbid Sunday sales of package alcohol.

Question Man

February 28th, 2012
10:23 pm

Gambling in Georgia with social conservatives in ascendancy? I don’t think so.

Bernie

February 28th, 2012
10:52 pm

Just wait until the Mullahs here Georgia get wind of this one….LOL! rofl! :)

Angel Macaroni

February 29th, 2012
12:27 am

Gambling is a tax on stupidity.

A person SMART enough to know......

February 29th, 2012
1:10 am

On the MARTA at the AIRPORT. People that are stranded because where they are flying to is closed is the right place to do it. If people have to DRIVE to it the police will just make it a DUI trap.

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Attack Dog

February 29th, 2012
5:49 am

So George Ervin Perdue III and his Republican friends scuttled economic development plans for the Democratic City of Atlanta. 1.Now they are promoting the same plans in conservative Norcross-Doraville, but reference that it is “near” Atlanta. 2. They want the Georgia Lottery Board to approve, even though the GOP has long been against the HOPE program. 3. They are promoting that, if built, it would soon be connect to the Doraville MARTA station that the GOP are unwilling to fund. 4. They claim there is a “downtrodden area” in North Dekalb and Gwinnett, but the GOP rails about “real” Atlantans need to go get a job, without economic development support. Have a nice day.

Attack Dog

February 29th, 2012
5:55 am

Either you build an airport in your northern backyard, or support and develop businesses nearer the airport. Isn’t it interesting that the State of Georgia does not have an economic development representative for Fulton County and the City of Atlanta, but could support “Go Fish?” Have a nice day during your commute.

Atlanta Native

February 29th, 2012
7:10 am

The construction jobs for this project will come and soon be gone. The permanent jobs created will be minimum wage. This whole scheme serves to enrich a very few. Leave such a gambling facility or “entertainment complex” to other states that have already generated their own caste system, crime and hierarchy of greed – all based on the backs of poor and middle America so sadly and desperately looking for a windfall.

GEORGIA97

February 29th, 2012
7:22 am

Norcross……Ew. Really? So gross.

SHOCKED

February 29th, 2012
7:29 am

I DON’T LIVE IN NORCROSS BUT THE COMMENT ABOUT NORCROSS THAT WAS NOT GOOD. WHY DO EVERYTHING HAS TO BE PUTTING OTHER DOWN. I DO A LOT OF BUSINESS IN NORCROSS AND FIND IT A GREAT PLACE AND WOULD LIVE THERE ALSO. I AM WELL EDUCATED AND LOVE NORCROSS. I THINK IS WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO HAVE GAMBLING RIGHT NOW IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE THE CRIME RATE IS HIGH THERE HAVE NOT BEEN A LOT OF CRIME IN THIS AREA.

Gambling Man

February 29th, 2012
7:42 am

Georgia and Atlanta in particular are use to real casinos, like in Nevda, Mississippi, etc, real slots/no video crap/,table blackjack, roulette, pai gow, dice, if you want to do it right go with the real thing. A better location would be I-20 west between atlanta and anniston.

Travis McGee

February 29th, 2012
7:55 am

Speaking on behalf of Southern Baptist preachers throughout the state, gambling does nothing but siphon off money from our collection plates and turns our people into hypocrites — just like liquor stores where our people act like they don’t recognize each other.

Ken

February 29th, 2012
8:05 am

This kind of Casino will fail.People that come to really gamble will not come to this place because odds of winning will be set by the state.
I have been to many and after the first year they start looking for business.

Bring real Gambling if your going to build this place

HENRY

February 29th, 2012
8:09 am

WTF? HAS A GREAT POINT. IF THE LOTTERY COMMISSION GETS A HOLD OF THIS, FORGET IT. THE MONEY WILL END UP IN THE WRONG POCKETS……………

joe in tucker

February 29th, 2012
8:09 am

we have enough crime without inviting more – just another way to pull the hood over the sheep.

Honest Ingine

February 29th, 2012
8:18 am

It will be in Peachtree Corners, not Norcross….

Honest Ingine

February 29th, 2012
8:19 am

Deal is a crook and tha’t why he hasnt rubber stamped this..

flynt

February 29th, 2012
8:21 am

Are you kidding me. They don’t want a gambling facitliy in Ga. But they justify the lottery. Which is gambling.

DawgsFan

February 29th, 2012
8:33 am

If we go this route, then let’s do it right the First time! Legalize gambling and have Wynn, Caesar’s Gaming, or some othe REAL gambling company come in and do it and not the lottery commission. If i want to play video slots, I’ll go to the gas station by the house.GA is missing out on a cash cow.Look at all the revenue FL is making now that they lifted the max buy in for table games not to mention the money we would pull from NC, MS, AL, FL casinos.TRUST ME, no other southern state wants GA to do this because it will severly cripple their casino. As far as locations go, put one by the airport that can be accessed by a 10 minute or less shuttle ride ( NOT Underground Atlanta)Then when GA sees what a success it is, put one by Lake Lanier Islands Resort.

jd

February 29th, 2012
8:36 am

I hear they will have to post the Ten Commandments by every machine and table

marcus

February 29th, 2012
8:46 am

let’s see, the koreans already have the corner on illegal gambling in norcross, the hispanics have made it a haven for all the counterfeit documentation as well as the rest stop for meth, bud and human cargo, now they want to turn it into a gambling den. makes a lot of sense, what with a russian populace that is killing the banking industry with their elaborate card readers and the overall drug trade. please! bring gambling to norcross, i could see traffic on jimmy carter, the crime, the prostitution, the death rate, the inability of the norcross and gwinnett officials to control anything. have you ever been to atlantic city? behind all the glitz and glamour three (3) blocks off any part of the strip, you will see what can happens to a city when the money comes in and never stays. while the crime, drug abuse and wanton homelessness takes root.

you want to raise money for the state’s educational fund? then have a state lottery. people will spend the extra buck for a chance at millions.

MARTA Rida

February 29th, 2012
8:50 am

Build it at underground to cater towards to the tourist it and conventioneers. Much more business there, how many visitors are going to drive to Norcross?

Just A. Thought

February 29th, 2012
8:53 am

The Airport would be a good place to have this, but if he wanted to save some money, he could check out a empty retail place like the Shannon Mall (Union Station). It has access to I-85 South which gets a lot of traffic from Alabama and a few exits down from the airport just in case there is not enough room for a construction like this.

gambler

February 29th, 2012
8:59 am

We need a classy casino and not lottery terminal parlors. We go to Mississippi once a month and have loads of fun. Plenty of things to do besides gambling. Just go to the casino parking lots and count the Georgia cars!

AStupidRepublican

February 29th, 2012
8:59 am

Gwinnett has enough problems, please go somewhere else.

Tommy

February 29th, 2012
9:18 am

Horse Racing with slots is the way to go. Horse racing would create an industry that the entire state could benefit from.Farmers to Politicians.

ATJREALTY

February 29th, 2012
9:18 am

As a economic boost its a must. However, It needs to be placed somewhere that doesnt have such a bad name. I can see this in like canton being a big hit. its not to close to atlanta but not that far away either.

Bill

February 29th, 2012
9:18 am

Aside from moral objections, there are three major drawbacks to increased gambling
1) It enables gambling addicts. 2) In some cases, people who can’t afford it are spending the rent money. 3) Most importantly, it primarily redirects money from other parts of the local economy.

I have a solution. Put gaming at the airport beyond security checkpoints. That puts it beyond the daily reach of locals, but within reach of millions who are passing through with money in their pockets and time to kill.

Bobby

February 29th, 2012
9:20 am

We need to stop worrying about gimmicks to fund the Hope Scholarship. If the Legislature would donate proceeds they receive from the Lobbyists we wouldn’t have a Hope Scholarship problem.

Bobby

February 29th, 2012
9:24 am

Keep in mind the GOP Georgia legislature is not against the Hope Scholarship program. But they only want it available for the higher income and wealthier Georgia residents, eliminating the middle class and most minority groups from receiving the scholarship.

The Riddler

February 29th, 2012
9:44 am

O’Leary runs Underground Atlanta… Why would anyone think could build a world class facility with a posh feel?

ATJREALTY

February 29th, 2012
9:44 am

@Bill. The object is to increase the funds by attracting everyone in Georgia not just travelers!!!

tell it like it is

February 29th, 2012
9:47 am

build a full scale casino,i for one am tired of driving to Miss,and NC.Why can’t we enjoy one here?Its time to come out of the dark ages georgia!

dumbotom

February 29th, 2012
9:48 am

First can they show us where all that lottery money is going, i bet not all that much is going to the Hope program.

Steve

February 29th, 2012
9:50 am

If they’re going to put it in an area where people are shooting each other, why not the south side of Atlanta? Economic conditions suck down there and as a result we constantly have to deal with Clayton riff raff coming up to the northside and 80% of them can’t read, much less drive. I’m in favor of any economic initiative that keeps them on that side of town. I’m also in favor of giant walls, but no one has pursued that idea yet (they only talk about it).

gofigure

February 29th, 2012
10:06 am

Why not get state colleges like UGA & GT to lower their costs since they didn’t skyrocket until the lottery scholarship conveniently came along?

Gary

February 29th, 2012
10:08 am

Our lawmakers know not to put casino gambling up for a vote of the people because it would pass overwhelmingly. They don’t trust the voters. Increasing the divorce rate is a laughable excuse. It sure has not damaged Mississippi and sure would boost tourism in Atlanta if it were built in downtown. Atlanta no longer offers anything to entertain convention goers.

Double Down

February 29th, 2012
10:29 am

Gamblers are going to gamble. They can either do it here to help the GA economy or go somewhere else…

Aaron

February 29th, 2012
10:31 am

It should be put some where more accessible and easy to get to like nearer to the city

AlreadySheared

February 29th, 2012
10:33 am

A video game casino – how lame. Put some live action table games in (please god live poker) and I’d go.

jd

February 29th, 2012
10:40 am

How about puting a casino off I-95 in McIntosh County (Darien, Ga)? You will get all those snowbirds traveling from the north to Florida and when they return home. McIntosh is one of the poorest counties in the State of Georgia. You will have lots of jobs open up for those unemployeed in south Georgia. Also, the Golden Isles is down the road about 25 miles. When the baptists and methodists come to Jekyl Island for their conferences they will have somewhere to go for entertainment. C’mon now!! Atlanta has plenty to offer. Let’s spread the wealth to the poorest part of Georgia.

PMC

February 29th, 2012
10:50 am

How good is the MPG using lottery fuel?

awful idea

February 29th, 2012
10:51 am

This idea is just terrible. If they were serious about full scale casino gambling, then I would be for it. Do not let the Lottery Commission run this! It will be a disaster. Let the corporations come in and do what they do best (LVS-Wynn-MGM,etc). They will build full scale entertainment venues. This proposed future dump will not be a place that I will visit. I don’t care for machines at all and would love to see the table games only.

Old Violin

February 29th, 2012
10:53 am

Gambling is addictive to people with an addiction problem, and I know that first hand. I am just beginning to recover from playing the lottery and the scratch offs over the years, but I still have to be in support of this idea because that money is going out to other states anyway. We might as well keep it here, create some jobs, give the economy a boost with the construction and let the chips fall where they may….As for organized crime…….wake up and smell the coffee….it’s been here, and it’s gonna stay here…….until we clean out the Capitol……Oh well ! What do I know ? I’m just an Old Violin……..

A B Normal

February 29th, 2012
11:00 am

Pie in the sky. In Norcorss? Really?? NOR-cross??? The festering-boil-on-the-butt of Gwinnett?

Danny O

February 29th, 2012
11:00 am

People should stop conflating poker with other forms of gambling. Poker is a skill-based game in which players compete against each other, not a roll of the dice against tilted odds that favor the house. Poker is far less likely to be abused by problem gamblers than machines. Slots and “video lottery machines” are the crack cocaine of gambling addicts.

The state of Florida raised over $11 million dollars in the 2009-2010 fiscal year from poker alone. A significant portion of that money came from Georgia players who travel to south to play. Georgia leaders would be wise to consider allowing the classic American card game to be offered in our state.

shelley

February 29th, 2012
11:03 am

Forget putting it in the Atlanta area. Put it down in the southwestern part of Ga off of US 19 (Georgia’s own four lane bridge to no where). Most jobs down there are already minimum wage. People would love it down there and welcome it with open arms.