Democratic women seek a state ban on vasectomies for men

We waste more time money and effort on social causes and nonsense. All of it detracts from focusing on infrastructure and the economy.

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I prefer the amendment offered in Oklahoma that would have made it a felony to deposit sperm any place other than the man’s wife’s vagina.

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Surely all good Christians will support Rep Neal’s bill. Of course they will.

*giggle*

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I say there, Brother Andy, you know everybody has a right to be stupid, but those ol’ boys over there is the Georgia State Legislature is abusing the privilege.

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This is awesome and I’m not saying that because I’m afraid to get a vasectomy,which I totally am.

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Viagra is the number one selling drug in the U.S.
Why isn’t the Catholic Church ranting about over-prescription of Viagra?
Imagine all the fornication it leads to!
The state should tax Viagra.
The state should test all men for ED before allowing doctors to prescribe Viagra. Any other basis for prescribing Viagra constitutes malpractice.

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Yayyyyy! I also think they should introduce a bill requiring anyone obtaining a Viagra refill to provide a notarized affidavit from his legally-wedded spouse attesting to the specific, reproductively-driven use of each and every pill from the first bottle, including date, time, location, position, and how long it took to finish. (heh…)

If you can’t prove you’re only using it to make babies with your wife, you don’t get any more.

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All Republican men politicians are crazy and want to keep women in their place-pregrant in the summer and barefoot in the winter. Oh, and let’s not forget destroying public schools so only white rich boys can get an education. I am a white educator, but I can see the “writing on the wall”.

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Gender/sexual politics can be a minefield, and fraught with peril for those who bully and overreach, in a democracy where women are more than half of the voters. You will find that out at the next election, Republicans.
Nemo me impune lacessit.

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Silly.

Democrats are already vestigial in Georgia, and this is an example why.

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@Rio — miss the point much do you?

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Illogical reasoning in the presentation of this legislation. The equivalent medical procedure for females is tubal ligation, which is not illegal, rather than abortions. VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENT ELECTED OFFICIALS IN NOVEMBER!

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You go girl. Give it right back to the neanderthals.

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In their permanent quest to fail to accept reality, the party of NO once again proves they cannot accept NO AS AN ANSWER (from the Supreme Court).

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j, I kinda like the flag now – much better than that garbage ‘ole Rat Barnes gave us that resembled a used baby diaper.

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@ Native Atlantan
No you missed the point. What part of Rio’s didn’t you understand and what part of it didn’t make sense?

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Let’s ban tattoos also, they’re clearly forbidden in Leviticus.

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Typical Demoncrats being irrational and ilogical.

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Sure am glad Mckillup jumped.
You never know what sort of nonsense is hiding in a person’s brain until they can expose their ‘true feelings’.

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Stupid is as stupid does.

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Next thing you know they’re going to legislate away my right to sodomize and be sodomized by an attractive member of the opposite sex. Or maybe they’re going to tax my lube and make it unreasonably expensive. These politicians aren’t any fun anymore. I guess they’ll be the only ones left to sodomize the general public.

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ED,
the catlick church is in favor of anything that will result in more little catlicks. wouldn’t surprise me if the little wafers are laced with viagra. let women control their own bodies, oh wait, can’t do that because they’ll want to control men also. what a sad lot.

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The one thing that I do believe in dearly is that none of us men should have the right to tell a woman what she can do with her body. I love the passion of people that are fighting for the ban on abortions but we should never be in a position where we can dictate our beliefs onto another person’s body.

Also before I get the replies of “Obamacare does the same thing” universal health care does NOT do the same thing. It requires everyone to have health care coverage but it does not tell you what you have to do or not do with your body.

Actually I think that the proposed bill by the two Democratic Reps is really funny because it is as absurd as the proposed ban of abortions after 20 weeks.

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Those pesky Democrats are probably going after my penis pump next. Can’t say for sure how many pregnancies that puppy has caused already, but let’s say that the enlargement pump WORKS and my tight jeans can hardly contain the proof.

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There is a major difference in neutering a male and taking the life of a fetus.

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The real reasons that Republican males and the Catholic church are opposed to abortion are different, but simple and interrelated.
Republican males don’t want to let women have abortions because sex between men and women should be infrequent and solely for purposes of reproduction. Republican males prefer to leave recreational sex for airport bathrooms, taxpayer-funded trysts in sleazy motels, and in perverted BDSM clubs. Of course, it goes without saying that 94.5% (verified) recreational sex in which Republican males engage is with other males: 54% latino, 37% African American, and the remainder white.

The Catholic Church wants to ban abortion because they want more children – preferably male children – to molest. Every abortion stops a beating heart, which could turn into a child, which a Priest could diddle with.

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@jarvis – the purpose is not to create a strict, direct analogy. It is to point out the absurdity of allowing religious fundamentalists to legislate all areas of life – particularly absurd when done by the Republican party – the party, allegedly, of “no government intervention.” Amusing. In any case, while you might be correct about your analogy to tubal ligation, it’s not really relevant because men don’t become pregnant, so I’m afraid the vasectomy is as close as you have.

How well did Jarvis do on the “irony and critical thinking” section of the SATs. Not well I imagine. (In fact, I imagine more likely GEDs)

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Is it clear to everyone the kind of nonsense that occurs under the heading ‘legislation’ when you make the mistake of putting the gop in the majority?

Do we really want to waste time and money on bills that will never pass Court muster?

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Obviously this is intended as an inside joke. Republicans in Georgia are not smart enough to recognize the sarcasm.

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Only idiotic Dems would liken a vasectomy to a 24 week abortion. This is why our country is such a mess right now.

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I love this: Good way to shine light on the absurdity of Republicans’ preoccupation with women’s health and control over their own bodies.

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We need a “Mind Your Own Business” law.

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I’m generally left-leaning, especially on social issues, but anyone who thinks a vasectomy and an abortion are the same thing is deluding himself or herself.

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when will the church and these radical legislators go after condoms… they should be removed from the shelves of all grocery, drug, and other stores that sell them. after all, are these contraceptive devices? why are men not being accused of abortive murders? and murder it is since there is not a week that goes by that during my morning walks I find used condoms disposed on the streets. go after these murderers if you want to level the playing field.

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The AJC has turned into a liberal rag. And this is a gathering of the uninformed. A womans rights “over her body” isn’t the question. Getting pregnant in the first place shows you how much control she has “over her body”. lol

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ED: Viagra is the number one selling drug in the U.S.
Why isn’t the Catholic Church ranting about over-prescription of Viagra?
Imagine all the fornication it leads to!
The state should tax Viagra.
The state should test all men for ED before allowing doctors to prescribe Viagra. Any other basis for prescribing Viagra constitutes malpractice.

I can do you one better there Ed – Before a prescription for Viagara can be filled a man must prove the following things:

(a) That he is in fact a married man.
(b) That the use of the Viagara will ONLY be for reproductive purposes.
(c) That the use of Viagara will only be with his wife and no other woman.
(d) That, if he is not yet married, he is pure and untouched by any woman, (foreign or domestic), and that he will abscond from any sexual relationships until he is married. Also he must be married within ONE MONTH of filling his prescription or….
(e) His azz will be put in jail for wasting sp##erm and a good hard on.

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Face it, what we REALLY need, is a law (under penalty of death) that keeps ALL dimocrats out of politics. Let them write poetry, act, sing or what ever, but let the ADULTS run the state/country. Or maybe we could just pass a law (with the same penalty) for lying, and that would clean them out pretty quickly too.
Dimocrats are just too stupid to be in politics, making decisions for others.
Abortion is the sacrament of the radical left wing religion of liberalism.

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If these two (Neal and Abrams) aren’t intelligent enough to know the difference between reproductive cells and conceived life, God help them. This ploy is idiocy.

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Only liberals can equate a birth control measure to voluntarily murdering a fetus (child). Abortion is not and should not be used as a method of birth control. It should only be used when the life of the Mother is at risk as detemined by medical professionals. It should also be available to a woman who becomes impregnated as a result of a rape. That’s as complicated as it needs to be. It doesn’t need infinite shades of grey attached to it. Of course that is true of most government programs; too many shades of grey.

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There must be fewer than 3 mature comments in this entire blog.

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If abortion is solely about WOMEN’s reproductive rights, I suggest we make abortions legal and free to all women who can prove that they conceived without sperm.

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why o why isn’t our elected leaders (????) worried about things like teh price of gas, medicare and medicaid fraud.

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That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard…seriously ladies??

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Once again liberals are making themselves the fool. Trying to (even jokingly) ban vasectomies is like them saying that all birth control should be banned (which is what they want, right?). Did you ever stop to think that maybe the issue here isn’t women’s rights, but the right to murder a baby? Women have the right to use birth control or not, to have sex or not, and with whom to engage in these activities. They should not have the right to murder the babies once they make that decision.

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once again a STIUPID democrat. Would she prefer these jungle idiots go out and impregnate every woman so the state can take care of them? keep abortion legal. it is cheaper than supporting unwanted kids who grow up to be thugs any way. these religious people are SICK!

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Love it! Only problem is the GOP nut jobs will probably be all for this.

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@ Jarvis: I’m probably more educated than you, but clearly not educated enough to ascertain the actual intent of your post. For that I apologize, but I will say that I don’t think it’s unseemly for legislators to engage in principled absurd conduct to highlight the absurdity of the oppostion – I hope you feel that the republican legislation at the heart of the debate is equally idiotic and deserving of scorn. Since no one listens to reason – or even listens to any news that doesn’t serve as a mindless echo-chamber for their own smallminded views – there’s no sense in critical discussion, because there is none. I think we’re left with this.

As for spellchecking dbaggery – Well put, sir.

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These Democraps are disgusting; I can deposit my swimmers wherever or whenever I want, isn’t that right, Troop #7109?

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I see that several people missed the point of this amendment. The point is to show everybody just how ignorant, narrow minded, and completely off the rails the GOP has gone these days.

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Nice one War Eagle. “Jungle idiots”? Aren’t you late for the Klan rally?

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Secondly, just because something is a law doesn’t mean people are going to stop doing it… Murder is illegal and unfrotunately people are murdered every single day. So your reasoning behind this issue is skewed.

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As a board certified physician I have performed more than 1,000 pregnancy termination procedures in the last 22 years.
I can say unequivocally that each and every one of those little monsters had it coming to them.
Unwanted children are a blight on society and mothers who choose to terminate a pregnancy at any stage should be applauded.

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How about MANDATORY vasectomies and tubal ligation for ALL members of congress, the legislature, the president and cabinet and staff, and all federal and state government employees?

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W&G – One of the few roles Government should perform is to protect a person, or persons from violating the rights of another person, or persons. This is irrespective of whether those persons are related, A fetus is a person under my definition and the mother doesn’t have any more right to take that life than she does to take my or your life. That is the crux of the debate and I disagree with you about passing judgement on a woman who uses abortion as a birth control option because she was too irresposible to use any of other forms of birth control. Is it morally worng for a Christina to judge a murderer? I think not.

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It is shameful that our elected officials play children’s games to make a point. They are being paid to solve our state’s problems and create successful strategies for future growth. Get out of the bedroom and get back in the boardroom. If it doesn’t make business sense for Georgia, drop it now!

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Well, you all, I have heard it all!!!!

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Dr. Bashears, answer this….why won’t doctor’s offices ever return phone calls in a timely manner? Are they too busy having bullschlitz blog discussions with the likes of my dumbazz?

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I think the only solution to these problems is penis registration.

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Constantly amazed at how obtuse people want to be.

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detritusUSA…really detritus…I’m sure you are non-republician and black…really people…problem with American and the world is over-population…of course the Dems want more babies…that means more illeg’s to take care of and vote to keep da money coming..

Next…the government needs to stop concern about personal decisions and worry about real issues..economy, jobs..this high gas price..

And detritus..I am sure you have lots of smart little dems running around..get yourself a V man..

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After 20 weeks(5 months) it’s not your body anymore. It’s a baby!!!!! What don’t you idiots understand about that?

Well there! You just solved the problem!! If after 20 weeks it’s considered a “baby” then there’s no such thing as a “Late Term Abortion!” It’s now a “birth”.

So, let’s just call it an early birth, and let the “baby” survive on its own!

You are soooo smart!

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There is nothing worse than agressive stupidity…….try aGGressive ignorance

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Amazed….apparently it takes 24 weeks for them to decide if they want to be killers.

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Vasectomies, from what I understand — being a male and all — do not involve the murder of an innocent child in early development. I’m a father of two girls and I know what I’m talking about. Neither do other birth control devices such as condoms, certain forms of the pill that prevent ovulation, and other devices that prevent an egg being fertilized. Think about it…I was born after roe v wade…at one time I was a so-called choice and could have been killed. That to me is disturbing. Every decent parent knows that once you have a little one in development your focus changes from self absorption to doing everything you can to help that innocent life thrive. Pure and simple — liberals are very self absorbed and don’t care about anyone but themselves.

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The Liberal war against the penis continues

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@ED

Actually ED, alcohol is the number one selling drug in America…

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DamnYankee, do you even realize that some women who have abortions do so because the life of the mother is threatened, or because they got pregnant as the result of a rape? Let some people tell it, the only reason a woman gets an abortion is simply because she doesn’t want to be bothered with the responsibilitiy of raising a child. Unreal.

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Vasectomies for demoncrats, men only, tubal ligations for female demoncrats.

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Will someone please let me know when the pro-lifers go to the Georgia Department of Human Services and register to become adoptive parents. If they say, “it is not my problem,” please aske them why are they concerned now.

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Isn’t it interesting that those who say calling for no vasectomies and that we miss the point/comparison are all males! The same males who want to dictate to women what they can/cannot do with their bodies!

Oh and the reversal of a vasectomy in Virginia must use a sledge hammer…hows that for an invasive procedure?

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This is why adminstering a well-placed facial is best for all those involved.

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honested

February 21st, 2012
1:32 pm

In private religious republican schools, to they fail to teach the concept of waxing absurd, or is there a fear it would be confused with being a republican legislator?

I just don’t get how an individual can be wholly in favor of wasting time on a damned fool, unconstitutional law and then get bent out of shape over an amendment CLEARLY DESIGNED to demonstrate how out-of-bounds the initial bill was!!

Where do you see the Unconstitutionality in this bill? The SCOTUS only protect abortions through the first trimester. NOW and other feminist groups are so scared of the current configuration of the court that they will not even attempt to bring another case before the court. This issue is exactly where it should be and that is in the states. If you do not like the laws of a state then either change the politicians or move to another state.

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Actually, the comments are very enlightening –

I didn’t realize that so many people see abortion as a means of contraception. Personally, I don’t care if anyone has an abortion or not – their call, not mine. I do think that a line has to be drawn between when the child is “viable” at which point it becomes killing/murder instead of contraception by anyone’s description. The question is who draws that line and where is it drawn.

Everyone seems to be just fine with charging a person with homicide if they shoot a woman that is pregnant and she loses the child, even if the mother lives – so I am not sure what the “moral” differences are – but again, that is up to you.

To equate vasectomies with abortion is just a plain stupid thought and shows someone being disingenuous in their arguments and outright changing the conversation so far as a legal argument is concerned. Equate vasectomies with tubular ligation and you are just fine, but not quite the same as an abortion. No, physiologically you can’t compare an abortion to anything going on in a man’s body – they are different and we can just acknowledge that and move on to the real discussion, if we have to have it?

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A real Christian knows that God’s judgment will be one of individual concerns, and not involve other people.

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I would promote mandatory vasectomy for all sex offenders and the victim given the option to cut…of course that would offend the liberals…

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ah, from culture wars to sex wars. It was next in line, I guess.

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I would like to thank the Democratic women in the State of Georgia for showing how foolish they are and how little logical thought they have. Since the female equivalent of vasectomies would be to have their tubes tied and not an abortion I am not sure exactly the point they are trying to make is. Well I take that back since I have a brain I know what their point is, I am just laughing because their actions and proposals have nothing to do with their point and apparently they have no real argument other than a 5 year old child’s version of pitching a fit about something unrelated and pretending it is the same thing.

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do so because the life of the mother is threatened, or because they got pregnant as the result of a rape?

No greater love hath he than he who would lay down his life for a friend. Isn’t your baby worth risking your life for, more so than even a friend?
Look back thru history and see where SOME GREAT MEN who were the products of rape were born and made great contributions to society.Abortion would have wiped these men and their contributions out.

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I took a Viagra last night and it got stuck in my throat. I’ve had a stiff neck all day.

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Ha! Let’s see how the Pro-Life Menfolk take to being told what they can do with their — um — plumbing. I’ll bet they are checking their Old Testaments as I type this.

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Did you hear about the burglary at the pharmacy last night? The bandits got away with the drugstore’s entire supply of Viagra. Police are looking for a gang of hardened criminals.

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A real Christian knows that God’s judgment will be
every thing you have ever done or even thought.Your idle words will be judged.Certainly killing your own baby will be judged.

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Yeah…because CLEARLY aborting an existing fetus/baby (whichever your preference is to call it) is the exact same thing as preventing a pregnancy from happening in the first place. Great logic again by our great, logical democratic leaders.

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WHITEandGOLD…..So killing the baby makes more sense. Please tell me how that causes less of a traumatic experience for the mother?

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Of course these GOP moral warriors will never really outlaw abortion. Why in the world would they get rid of one thing that draws in single issue voters? They know they have a blind, loyal flock when it comes to this.

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UGA, how do you know that a woman would be more traumatized by an abortion than having to raise a child born of rape? It could happen, but then again, it couldn’t. As I keep saying, let each woman decide for herself and stay out of her personal business.

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I once worked with a woman who would catch a fly that might wind up in the office and release it to the outdoors. She was firmly pro-abortion. Never been able to understand that kind of thinking. And we get upset in the U.S. when the ruling powers in Syria and other places on the globe kill a few thousand fetuses that have reached adulthood. About 40,000 fetuses were killed in Georgia last year, probably a few million throughout the U.S., and our government never raises a single protest. It’s just a woman’s right to choose. The governments/rulers in Syria, Greece, Egypt…etc., they’re just exercising their right to choose.

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I don’t know how anyone in today’s world can look at a 6-month fetus and deny that it’s a person. And how can you compare a vasectomy to killing a living human being? I usually don’t get involved in the abortion argument, but, come on. By the sixth month you have a heart beat, a face, hands, legs, fingers and a brain. Don’t be willfully blind.

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BW,

You missed the memo. Republicans only talk about jobs BEFORE they accidentally get elected.

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@DJ Sniper — my sister was told by the doctors to abort her baby because it was threatening her life and they said it would have all these health problems. They made a strong case for life of the mother, but she decided to have the baby anyway…my niece was born premature but survived and amazed the doctors at her ability to fight and survive against all odds. She just turned 2 this past week — a second birthday she would never have celebrated had my sister listened to the doctors who were screaming for her to abort the baby. Same thing with a different sister and the twin boys she had…they told her to abort one to save her life and the other — both are doing well today. So I rest my case.

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just more of a waste of our taxpayers dime and legislative time. Women can have medical procedures that prevent pregnancy just as me can, it is still their decision. One of the most stupid comments i’ve heard coming from a politician is ““Thousands of children are deprived of birth in this state every year because of the lack of state regulation over vasectomies” Rep. Yasmin Neal must be one loony broad!!

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Donna Lynn, I have to agree with you although I remain pro-choice. I know several parents of preemies, some multiples, whose kids were born at six months and are now thriving. However, I will ONLY trust OB-GYNs to come to an agreement on the earliest time that a fetus can live independently and VIABLY without the pre-term mother’s support. And whether or not a fetus can “feel pain” is beside the point. If the fetus fanatics rely on this as their premise, then why are they willing to spend tax dollars to support the infliction of pain, suffering and loss of limbs and life on U.S. citizens in America’s multiple murderous wars?

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Damn Yankee: Think about it…I was born after roe v wade…at one time I was a so-called choice and could have been killed

So many jokes……so little time………

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This is a joke right? For the love of god people, leave vasectomies AND abortions alone. The earth is over populated as it is. Ya know what they call living things the reproduce uncontrolably? Cancer.

Ya know what… let’s just split the country in half. For everyone that wants a huge controlling goverment they can get one side. For everyone that wants nothing but a military and post office they get the other side. Flip a coin for first choice.

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Ri042
Men pay for their reproductive habits in family court. If they don’t, it’s off to jail. Abrams and Neil should give THAT some thought when talking about fairness
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How many men do you know who are in jail because they didn’t pay child support? That’s usually one of the last resorts. Usually other dumb things are done like taking away their license (which could also prevent them from going to work so they could make money).

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Good Grief….They dont.

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And whether or not a fetus can “feel pain” is beside the point.

No caring, no feeling, what a shame.An innocent baby in the womb, kill it it will be OK,but let it be a convicted serial killer on death row with a life time of evil deeds
and will fight to the bitter end to stop this needless killing of human life. Talk about being mixed up that;s liberals.

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Is what the Democrats are doing not supposed to make sense? And can everyone please stop with the lame comment that men do not have the right to tell women what to do with their bodies. The government tells us what to do or not to do with our bodies all the time whether one is a man or woman. The democrats in this article just seem petty and silly.

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I like the amendment in Oklahoma to the personhood bill, which states:

“In the spirit of shared responsibility in issues of reproduction, if a woman declares that she is pregnant non-consensually, the sperm donor shall be required to undergo a statutorily mandated vasectomy, shall be fined Twenty-five Thousand Dollars ($25,000.00), and shall also be financially responsible for the offspring of such pregnancy until the age of twenty-one (21).”

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In all this discussion I have not seen one word mentioned about personal responsibility. It appears that the leftest want abortion to be a form of birth control but even the your President says that should not be the case. Obamacare has made contraceptives free to all women (like it has not been that way for the poor forever) so there is no excuse for an unintended or unwanted pregnancy. People need to either protect themselves or willing to pay for the consequences for their actions and those consequences are 18 years of raising a child.

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MT, no one is forcing you to abort anything – except maybe your mouth.

I look back and fail to see where I personally atacked you. Typical liberal,always got to turn to insults.

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vasectomies don’t murder anyone, so the 2 cannot be compared…incredibly offensive and immature legislation being proposed, but consider the source

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Are you people so ignorant as to not discern the difference between contraception that prevents pregnancy and abortion?

ABORTION is the taking of a LIFE that has already begun. Anyone who does not recognize that life begins at conception is intellectually dishonest, ignoring real science and willfully blind!

What about the rights of pre-born women who are being killed in the womb? Don’t those women have rights too? The right to live.

NO ONE is trying to take away a person’s right to contraception! The Catholic church is not trying to impose their beliefs on any Non-Catholic.

You people who support abortion and advocate it have innocent blood on your hands.

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This literally might be the dumbest thing I have ever read. It’s unfortunate that people like Yasmin Neal don’t instantly lose their seat in government when they say something so f—ing stupid. Hopefully Neal realizes the stupidity of this and is just trying to make noise and get attention. If not, God help us all that people like this are in positions of power.

And this is coming from a Republican btw…

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Where’s the personal responsibility in allowing people to make their own medical decisions?

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Doubt many bible thumping republican idiots will get behind this one.

After all women are subjective to men and its ok for men to tell women what to do with their bodies.

But certainly not the other way around.

“But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.” (I Corinthians 11:3)

“For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.” (I Corinthians 11:8-9)

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Ladies, if you don’t want babies, get your tubes tied!!!

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John K

February 21st, 2012
2:38 pm

Where’s the personal responsibility in allowing people to make their own medical decisions?

Having an abortion is only a medical decision in the eyes of libs. Abortion is murder and nothing more then another form of contraception.

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Better to be a beliver than otherwise. Laugh all you want. We’ll see who laughs last…

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JOHN D: Good points. Thank you. I just don’t want Woe vs. Wade to be overturned. That’s all. Need I tell you my personal (and yes this whole discussion is about what should be ONLY a personal matter) story of having an abortion in my twenties, with the man I ultimately ended up marrying two years afterwards, and who has shared his life with me as the parents of two beautiful children who are now in college? Do you want to know why I had that abortion? It doesn’t matter. My reasons are personal, but no matter what they were at the time, the fetus fanatics believe I should not have had that right, that the choice was God’s and not mine to end my own pregnancy and manage my body and my life as I saw fit.

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They ought to also ban condoms. I mean, they don’t really protect anyone from STD’s, or anything. They’re not medically necessary. “Every sperm is sacred!”

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Ladies, if you don’t want babies, get your tubes tied!!!

Or use a condom.

Then you can decide when you do or don’t want to have a baby.

But of course using a condom is a “sin”

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Democraps are pro-choice, right?! How about choosing to not get pregnant in the first place…

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“Every sperm is sacred!”

Classic Monty Python bit.

Listen if you ban abortions do you know what you will get.

Abortions in Mexico and Canada for those close to the border.

Closehanger abortions in the middle.

And a whole lotta babies thrown in dumpsters.

Is that more humane ?

Nobody is “pro abortion”

But the reality is women are going to have them.

Lets at least do it in a safe environment and not in the dark but out in the light.

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Democraps are pro-choice, right?! How about choosing to not get pregnant in the first place…

If only using a condom weren’t a “sin”

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Good work Ladies – Good for the goose, good for the gander.. Also, make sure those Catholics who don’t want birth control don’t get viagra too.

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No sex unless trying to conceive…isnt that what the Bible says anyway? Since we’re a Christian nation, let’s make that the law too. That’ll put an end to all these silly “reproductive rights” everyone thinks they deserve. LOL

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Excellent point Ernest. Do people really think that abortion is going to magically go away simply by being against the law?

They do but they aren’t thinking it all the way through.

They just get to a point they like and then they stop there.

But that isn’t reality.

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The government needs to stay out of personal decisions…..period. They shouldn’t pay for birth control of any kind or compel anyone to do so. Sleep with who you like, it’s not their business. Things go wrong, it’s your problem not the taxpayers.

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Dem Idiots

Ladies, if you don’t want babies, get your tubes tied!!!

Democraps are pro-choice, right?! How about choosing to not get pregnant in the first place…

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You are a case study for the pill and condom back up. How about this, instead of a woman getting her tubes tied you and other men keep the old snake on lockdown. Secondly, all Democrats are not pro choice. And most are not in favor of abortions. They are in favor of the government NOT telling women whether or not she can have a medical procedure. That’s what you Repubs can’t seem to understand.

You’re the modern day Pharisees and Sadducees that Jesus had to deal with in the Bible.You want less government, except when it comes to people’s personal habits. But as long as it impacts your wallets in a way that you deem negative you want them out of your business.

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You caught me – I have no idea what the Bible says. I only go by what I heard growing up in a Christian household in Georgia.

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I am always amazed at the ignorance people have of what the Scriptures say….thanks Raider. It is bizarre what people believe is in there and what is not in there….not to mention how so many people like to take a section or a word or two and take it out of context. Who doesn’t have the open mind?

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Like I said on Jay Bookman’s blog…b*tches be crazy.

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CTW – Unequally yoked regarding races isn’t in the bible either. It is when talking about one who has faith in Christ and one who doesn’t. Jesus specifically rebuked this when he made all things clean in the New testament. God told the Israelites not to marry outside there race for a while in the old testament to build their nation.

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Going back to my previous statement…..many bad dealing these days with “Christians” are those in a “Christian family”. Unfortunately many of those are in the Southeast. Because their parent or grandparents went to church and they go every Easter and Christmas it doesn’t make them experts or even followers of the faith. Yet they will call themselves “Christians” because of their community.

These people are not educated in the faith and only use it….unfortunately, as an avenue to belittle or best someone in an argument while seeming “Hollier than thou”.

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Raidbeater
Carole – Wow.

Did you just somehow elude that Jesus is pro “womens medical procedure” (abortion)?

I’m going to love to see the long drawn out justification.

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Please use glasses the next time you read one of my posts. If I was going to say that I would have outright.

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I believe many of you are missing the point. It is irrelevant whether you believe a fetus is a “life” or if it feels pain. That is true at any stage of gestation (yes, even up to, and in some cases after, nine months).
If it is inside of and unsustainable apart from another person (the mother) it is part of the mother, and the decision to continue or terminate the pregnancy is one that must be left to the mother subject to the medical judgement of her physician.
This is established law, and there is little or nothing the Georgia Legislature can do to affect it.
There is simply no point in debating the “pain” issue. I would concede that a fetus feels pain at 33 weeks, but if I deemed it necessary to prevent harm to my patient I would terminate the pregnancy at any point.

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Ms. Neal & Ms. Abrams,

Go Ladies! You two rock! What a wonderful idea. It’s time that men stopped getting by with making babies with danged few consequences.

Keep up the good work!

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What an immature response from the Democrats. I can never understand, with all the other forms of birth control, why some woman choose to use abortion. Around 5% of abortions are performed on women that were raped, are at risk medically, or have some form of retardation, what is the excuse for the rest of these women?

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This is a joke, right?

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Sandy, I sure do hope so…

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LOL @ the wingnuts

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kimmer – Selfishness. I have no delusions either. Most “Republican” families are pro-choice when it gets down to it….which is sad. The old saying is you’re one unplanned preganancy away from being secretly pro-choice.

People are shallow, hollow, and selfish all at once.

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@harold-

Correct – established law in Georgia is that the mother has a decision to continue or terminate.
And I’d ask that you allow we remove the scenario regarding ‘danger to the life of the mother’ – because you introduce a condition where medical opinion indicates a risk to the patient.

However – I believe you are missing the point. To argue that ‘unsustainable’ apart from another person is intellectually dishonest. Because, if the fetus is sustainable in a nicq on life-support systems AND has a statistically significant likelihood of maturing and thriving – well now it’s really a question of how much of an inconvenience the mother is willing to tolerate. At that point – the mother is making a choice that no other individual has a legal right to make for another person in any other medical scenario. In addition – it ignores any ‘right’ of a father who may wish to keep the baby.

If a 10-yr old crash victim is on life support – and the predominant opinion of medical experts is that the child can live in a wheelchair with impaired ability – but as a functioning adult. The father wants to press on and care for the child. The mother doesn’t. Why shouldn’t the mother have the right to unilaterally terminate life support?

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It’s funny how Dems will fight til the end for a murderer to be taken off death row, but the next day fight to abort unborn babies…

Irony?

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It’s nearly 4:00.

Does that mean the General Assembly has stopped wasting taxpayer funds on unConstitutional bills for the day?

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The BEST decision that I made after my divorce was to GET a Vasectomy. I had my two kids and I knew that I did not want any more. So I did get it done 1 week after my divorce was final. NO more kids in my future.

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Andrea Sneiderman and Henry Neuman are on trial for murdering Andrea’s husband. Why aren’t you liberals protesting that – saying that the government should stay out of their business. If they wanted him dead that’s their right? Someone please explain.

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This is not apples to oranges. The point is if you are going to take away awoman’s right to do what she feels is right for her body, then to be fair, take away the man’s right for what he thinks is right. To put it another way, if you are going to FORCE a woman to have a baby, then force a man not to create said baby. That’s all. It is tit for tat, but it was started by men who seem hell bent on keeping control over woman, through their vajaja’s. Guess what guys, that boat will not float anymroe!

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Ms. Neal has never heard of a hysterectomy? She’s comparing apples and oranges.

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Raiderbeater
Carole – so since you brought up Jesus. What do you think his opinion would be?

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A what would Jesus do question, cool. I think that Jesus is the only one who knows the hearts of men and women. I believe that he died for our sins because obviously he knew we would. I believe that God put a man to death for spilling his seed (Gen 38:9-10) which is no different than putting on a condom or “pulling out.” So when people want to judge a woman for having an abortion, I think they need to leave the judging to God.

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Puleeze – get an education before vomiting on this board…

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Puleeze — It’s beyond time to REMOVE government from our health care. They should regulate production and labeling for product safety, truth in advertising, and consumer awareness. They should regulate insurance markets for underwriting standards and proper financing, but get out of the mandate business. This is America, it is SUPPOSED to be the land of the free and the home of the brave. It’s becoming the land of the beholden and the home of the victim.

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Raiderbeater: Are you advocating for an expansion of reproductive rights to include the right to terminate the life of an infant post-natal?

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Daddy always told me, “Boy, I brought you into this world, and I can take you out of it.” I guess momma got that choice first. I don’t think I could ever live with having killed my mother during childbirth, so, I’m glad things worked out for us.

Trivia moment: Did you know suicide is illegal in two states? North and South Dakota. Apparently they’re having trouble enforcing it.

For people trying to find the commonality between the two bills… They both would further government regulations about what you can do with your own body. I’ve had a blast reading the comments, though, thank you everyone.

DJ Sniper, you deserve a drink on the house. *slides drink to DJ Sniper*

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I would prefer forced sterilization of the men who obsess over abortions.

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Representatives Abrams and Neal are surely two of the most ignorant people ever to be elected to any position. Regardless of what you might think about McKillip’s bill, suggesting vasectomy’s are similar to aborting a fertilized egg, is imbecilic. It’s embarrassing to read stories, like this, that very accurately demonstrate the unsuitability for office of the majority of our representatives. Maybe as my congressman suggested, the Capitol will tip over and solve these problems. The comments of your readers does, however, go a long to determining why these people get elected.

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And when they force women to view an ultrasound before deciding on terminating a pregnancy, so should men be forced to view an ultrasound of their limp vas deferens.

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Yasmin Neal refused to tell citizens where she stands on any of the issues addressed in the 2010 Political Courage Test, despite repeated requests from Vote Smart, national media, and prominent political leaders.

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She is single and looks gay so men being able to produce should be of no interest to her.

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A walk through the ocean of the souls of the liberals here, all of them combined with the liberal readers of the AJC, would barely get one of your big toes wet.

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Once again the democrats wasting tax dollars. The inmates are running the asylum!
They are the only ones dumb enough to equate killing half developed babies to preventing the pregnancy to begin with. Idiots.

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Democrats can’t help themselves…

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Those little pissants had it coming to them. Every one of them.

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Puleeze – once again, get an education before throwing up on this board…

Only a combined 5% of women getting abortions are due to rape, health reasons, or mental retardation, so your last argument has about a 5% validity.

As far as it “being my business”…read my post from 3:05pm. That’s on page 5…

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“Thousands of children are deprived of birth”??? hahaha, I’ll remember that one next time I’m being intimate with myself.

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Wow! Two thoughts…..1) a large democrat voting block doesn’t even know what a vasectomy is which helps explain all the single mothers out there and 2) just like a democrat to think contraceptive measures (prevents the formation of an embryo-read your biology) is the same as killing an embryo. STUPID PEOPLE!

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Dem – your mother had a choice. Why do you want other woman not to have one? When my third child was born, I watched the agony of a mother who had to give birth to a child with no brain. It was her choice. I would not have made that choice but I don’t deny her the right to make hers. You do. That is the biggest difference here. I personally know many people who are pro choice, but would give anything if there were no abortions. I am one of those. It is the choice to allow us to know what is right for us. I can’t tell you or your mom what is right for you, why do feel the need to do that to me? And hands off – your just sad.

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Puleeze – maybe your mom should have gotten an abortion…think about that one.

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dem idiots (would that be dem people from OTP?)

If she had, it wouldn’t matter.
Yet another worn out, hollow argument from a group that’s got nothing.

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Satans and Libruls, Publicans and Demoncrats and the Pope… This is simply outright awesome. Accept my applause – now, THIS is a show worth watching.

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I never knew that there are soooooooooo many in this state that lack the comprehension to fully understand this article. The more serious problem is that these folks with the comprehension problem are able to vote without an IQ test.

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I love our free country that wants to regulate every thing we do….let’s keep giving up freedom. Are there not more important issues in the country than birth control…really. Congress is a joke.

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Yasmin Neal is a complete idiot! Total waste of gov’t/taxpayer dollars. You mean to tell me that she actually gets paid to make that argument?

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Nobama 2012.

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So the dems are now ready to admit that abortion is used for birth control

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When ever women tout their womanhood, they say “only we can create life”. well, you can’t have it both ways.
since you’re in control of creating life, you also have to be RESPONSIBLE for that life. no, you can’t kill it and make the excuse that ‘it’s not really life’..that’s BS and we all know it.
Any woman that’s had an abortion knows it.
This argument isn’t about control, it’s about being responsible. Women already have the right to choose if they want to get pregnant or not, in most cases. They just refuse to accept the responsibility for casual sex. but you know something? that sure doesn’t stop them from going to a judge and getting child support does it?
how about this, do away with the requirement for child support and remove tax payer funding for abortions (after all, all the taxpayers didn’t poke you in the gonch), and you can do as you like! no argument from me.

Till then? yeah, we’re going to fight about it.

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Actually Planned Parenthood provides free vasectomies. Why is the Catholic Church not up in arms over that? Why do they not fight against insurance coverage for vasectomies? Why is it always the women they go after?

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…..isn’t this state government something to be proud of…

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Getting a vasectomy is equivalent to getting a hysterectomy. Nobody is trying to ban hysterectomies… Get a clue

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Mama says, wow…very nicely stated!

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It must be really hard to ignore the other side’s true feelings on an issue. Conservatives want to protect the life of what we feel is a child’s life. The equivalent of men being prevented from receiving Vasectomies would be to ban birth control. Keep spinning and yelling that we are stupid and attacking women. At least I can point to the true disagreement…When life is formed. You think its at birth and I think its at conception. But I’m sure my logical response will just make you angry.

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Since when is a vasectomy a parallel to abortion? Last I checked it (along with the more severe procedure of castration) was the rough equivalent of a tubal ligation or a hysterectomy. The key difference of all these measures from abortion is that they are all PREVENTATIVE measures to getting (someone) pregnant.

The whole notion of a woman’s right to choose at the point of abortion is just downright comical. A fetus isn’t just some inanimate ragdoll up until some arbitrary timeframe that judges and legislators deem it a living human being. It is a human being from the point of conception onward and should be given the same rights any other human being is given. Namely, the right to not have its life abrubtly ended at someone else’s behest.

I totally understand scenarios where the health of the mother is at jeopardy if the pregnancy is allowed to continue. Even then it makes the morality of the issue a difficult thing to consider, but otherwise we’re flagrantly violating the rights of an innocent by prematurely ending its life.

Rape victims that ended up pregnant? That’s one sordid hell that I can’t even imagine going through, but I can’t for the life of me justify ending an innocent’s life for the crimes of the father or even to spare the victim of the drawn out emotional scarring. It just isn’t right.

If women are indeed so stuck on their right to choose whether or not not to have babies then they should get their tubes tied. Of all the surgically preventative measures available, it is the easiest to successfully reverse and so much more morally sensible compared to abortion. Hell, have your daughters go through it to if you’re worried about the early years.

It may suck that nature didn’t make men and women biologically equal, but that doesn’t mean we should punish innocent fetuses just because women got the short end of the evolutionary stick

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Wow. The ignorance of Democrazies is shining thru brighter than ever.

A man getting a Vasectomy is not even close to the equivalent of aborting a 20 week pregnancy. It would be equivalent to a women getting a Hysterectomy but nothing more. Democrats are absolutely moronic.

How about this .. stop using sex as a weapon to trap men or just having fun without thinking of the ramifications of a possible pregnancy. In other words, become responsible. Same goes for men who think banging anything that breathes makes them cool. Grow up!

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Stupid liberal bitches. I hope they die soon.

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Keep your hands off my junk!!!!

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This seems a little off the mark. I liked the attempted OKC amendment better.

What we need in terms of comparable legislations is laws that require digital rectal prostate exams, stress tests, and legal affidavits of strong desire to procreate to get Viagra, EVERY MONTH. Once they get the script, they should be required to undergo sperm count analysis to prove they’ve got the bullets, and an automatic cutoff of the script and referral to fertility specialists after 6 months.

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liberal idiots.
the question is more than just abortion being legal. they are trying to make it a medicaid/medicare issue and make me pay for someones baby killing. That is amazing…
if a woman doesnt want a child then how bout use protection or keep your legs closed.

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Personally I feel that we would be better off if MORE Georgia men had vasectomies, especially if there could be some way to involve an invasive body probe to the procedure, and also make the men pay for it themselves. However I do support the legislation which these two smart brave women bring to the table. Ladies, we need to WAKE UP and take some action or our daughters and sons will lose the rights our mothers and grandothers fought so hard to get.

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DILLIGAF? Don’t I know you from somewhere?

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The urge to have sex is the most fundamental drive of humans to perpetuate the species. This is what has made the human species so successful. Additional labor was an important aspect of success to expanding, labor-intensive agricultural societies.

Problem is, we left that economy and society a long, long time ago. But the basic biological urge to have sex has not changed. If anything, it’s gotten more intense, and sex and sexuality ooze out of virtually every pore of American culture today. But that’s really just a red herring. This fundamental, biologically-driven urge to have sex is not going to change because of any law, or any amount of moral outrage. It’s hard-wired into our bodies.

I wouldn’t be so dismissive of those who cry for unborn babies, if they weren’t so openly hostile to a large swath of babies that do get born. If you can’t truly love and care for every single one that’s born, claiming to truly love and care for every last one of the unborn is hypocrisy in it’s most vile sense.

The palpable roar of hatred for poor people, the disgust for “welfare babies”, and the cry that we just can’t afford to care for all those “lazy” people, should drive home the point that the human race’s ability to reproduce has far outstripped it’s actual need to produce.

The good news is, we actually have the technology to almost completely disconnect the basic urge to have sex, from the resultant reproductive product. It’s called contraception. Universal access to contraception, and aggressive use, can dramatically reduce unintended, unwanted, and unneeded pregnancies and babies.

Expecting people to just not have sex is completely unrealistic. It’s been a problem since the dawn of the human race, and continues to be a problem today. If you think this is a viable solution, you are dead (as in aborted babies dead) wrong.

Contraception won’t be perfect either, but training the population to practice abstinence until contraception is going to be far more successful at preventing unwanted pregnancies and abortions, than teaching the population to practice abstinence until marriage. The 2nd has already failed; the first has already been proven to work, but resistance to this is inexplicably high, and adoption is very slow.

And of course when you add in all the outrage over people, even married folk, having babies they “can’t afford,” you come to realize that the bar keeps getting raised. At some point, it morphs into a class war, where the real underlying message is that poor people should not even be allowed the pleasure of sex.

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Dumbass fools ,they could not find their ass with a large mirrow!

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Liberals are always focusing on matters that involve sex and race. Sex and race. Sex and race. Never the economy, not energy production, but sex and race.

These statists apparently don’t believe voters can differentiate between terminating an unborn life (abortion) and preventing conception (vasectomies).

Of course this is the party that believes that Guam would tilt with the addition of a few Marines (Hank Johnson) and that government money spent on abortion helps improve the economy (Nancy Pelosi). Pelosi also believes the Catholic church is undecided on the matter of abortion. Apparently “thou shalt” means, umm, “perhaps”, to Miz Pelosi.

What Georgia really needs is a bill that prevents the conception of liberals.

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Rep. Neal’s actions should outrage every taxpayer as it is a waste of taxpayer money and a misuse of her office. Her analogy is flawed in that the comparing a vasectomy to an abortion is akin to comparing self-defense to first degree murder. If she were to compare correctly, she should consider that every woman has the same right as a man that chooses a vasectomy. Any woman can legally choose to take birth control or require her sex partner to wear a condom. The choice of a man to have a vasectomy keeps a baby from being conceived (given life) where as an abortion ends the life of a human being that gives very strong evidence of feeling the pain of the abortion.

If Rep. Neal were in my district, I would call for her to be removed from office for misuse of her position and office. She is doing so to grandstand and editorialize rather than seriously consider legislation that is reasonable. If she is going to propose any law, she should be prepared to defend it, push it and feel the effects of her decisions rather than using an elected office and taxpayer money to make a political point!

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h4×354x0r,

Your most rational perspective will not be welcomed in this realm. You’re completely right by every standard of reason. WHY then, do those most upset about abortions happening in their world also oppose the most reasonable, rational, pragmatic ways to reduce their numbers? The only reason I can think of is that they don’t **really** care about the little fetuses they defend so vocally. They care about control and punishment. It’s a fetish thing.

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Continue to be Amazed says, “Any woman can legally choose to take birth control or require her sex partner to wear a condom.”

Wow! What planet are you from, and are there any affordable vacation packages there? I could respond quite graphically to the second part of your statement, but I don’t want to offend the good people here with the TRUTH about condoms. (Hint: I’ve never known a woman who refused one, or who removed one mid-journey.) Jimminy H. Crickets on a Peppermint Stick! Your home planet must be AWESOME!!!

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@GaBlue: I already alluded to an underlying reason: its just another facet of class warfare. Here’s how it works:

1. Contraception is a sin. Abstinence is the moral choice.
2. Abstinence until marriage.
3. You shouldn’t have kids until you can financially support them.

The underlying message is that only wealthy people should be allowed the joy of sex.

All I can say is, “Good luck with that.”

The craziest thing is, that most of the same people against abortion and contraception, are the same ones championing de-regulation of industry. Nevermind the fact that industrial pollution is already lowering fertility in humans, causing more spontaneous abortions, and changing the male/female birth ratio with endocrine disruptors. It’s just a much slower, but much more absolute and irreversible, method of killing unborn babies.

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h4×354x0r,

Nice breakdown. Again, I agree. Poor people who don’t HAVE nice homes, vacations, golf courses, boats, 200-channel satellite dishes, or the kind of luxury entertainment and recreation available to the well-to-do, still have one thing they CAN do that’s not only fun, comforting, and FREE, but it makes them forget their troubles for a little while. And yet the have-muches want to punish the have-littles for using it! Go figure.

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I clicked a link to this preparing to be enraged. Yasmin, you are totally right. Although, I don’t think you’re going far enough. Not all men get vasectomies, but the grand majority do use condoms. Try to ban those, and you’ll get mass-media’s attention and thus more focus on your actual point. Good luck, and take care.

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Come on lady. Are you for real? These two entities are totally different. Vasectomies are done to prevent pregnancy. You can’t prevent something that is already done such as the case with pregnancy. You should have argued contraceptives, birth control pills, vasectomies, and etc. This very idea of this bill is pretty dumb.

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substantive due process rights are the worst…

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Left-wing crazies need to stick with what they know…… wait…..do they know anything?

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You’re so right, Jerry. It’s those shadows of emanations and penumbras you have to watch out for.

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I do think that vasectomies are very different from abortions. However, I don’t think people realize the double standard that is being created regarding male and female reproductive health, or else you would understand the motive behind this motion. Republicans are now fighting against the insurance coverage of female birth control under the assumption that it makes people do bad things in the “sexual realm,” while viagra has never been raised as an issue. They neglect to note that not only does viagra have the potential to do the same thing, but that birth control is used by many, many women to treat legitimate medical issues beyond birth control. It treats PCS, PMSD, and acne, among other things. Limiting access to a drug that is needed by many women to live a normal life in order to control women’s sex lives (which they shouldn’t be doing anyway) is abhorrent. And again, there is no issue being raised about viagra!

As for sterilization, there is actually a discrepancy between male and female sterilization. I found this out firsthand. Any man, beyond the age of 18, is able to get a vasectomy relatively easily. He goes to a doctor, they warn him of what will happen and such, ask him questions, and the procedure is booked. However, I have come to find that many doctors will not sterilize a woman unless A) she is 30+ and/or B) she has at least one or two children. Many also double check to see if a woman’s partner is ok with her getting sterilized, whereas they only ask the man if his partner is ok with it. I wish I were kidding. But this is what I have found from experience: a 25-year-old man who doesn’t want children can get a vasectomy with no hassle or issues, while a 25-year-old woman who doesn’t want children will be refused sterilization by most doctors, and if sterilization is granted they will often require for her partner (if any) to give consent. This is messed up, people!

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If we didn’t have a bunch of morons believing in fairy tales like the bible then we wouldn’t be in this mess. Religion poisons everything.

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It NEVER ceases to amaze me how people who have the intelligence of a doormats are elected every year… and how many of their supporters post on the AJC every day. Sure hope my job applications in other states work out because I can’t stand to live here any more. What a f’ed up state.

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I am a man and I am all for this type of meaningful legislation. Furthermore, I think it is a miscarriage of justice that women are legally able to thwart the natural order of things by refusing to permit efforts by men to be more prolific in our attempts to breed. In the animal kingdom, healthy adult males will copulate with as many females as possible, as many times as possible, every time they find one. Just watch ducks or wolves go after a female…three or four of them will ravage a lone female for hours, ensuring maximum opportunity for her to conceive. I say it is high time that there was a law against women refusing sexual intercourse. It is time to legalize rape. Do it for the children!

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While they are at it, they should add a provision banning any insurance company or pharmacy from selling Viagra (and any other Erectile Disfunction medication) because E.D. is God’s way of saying a man is not WORTHY of the opportunity to reproduce, and such drugs alter God’s Will.

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I am very tired of arrogant pseudo-intellectuals conveniently glossing over the fact that there’s a significant difference between doing what you will with your own body, and destroying a new human life.

I learned in college and in medical school, and it’s no less true today, that a new mammalian life forms when the conception process is complete; when this process is completed may vary, but in any event it’s not more than a few days after intercourse. The zygote is the total human organism in its earliest stage of development; it is distinct vis a vis the mother. This isn’t religion speaking (I’m an agnostic); nor is this philosophy, with its subjectivity and shifting sands changing over time (it also used to be the consensus of the so-called “intellectuals’ ” that non-Europeans weren’t persons either). Abortion destroys a distinct, human life, separate from the mother’s own. Sorry, truth hurts.

And all of you arrogant posters who condescendingly sneer at pro-lifers should consider your own stupidity for not knowing that new mammalian life does in fact form at conception. It reminds me of a psychology study whereby we found out that the people who were quick to criticize others for lacking a skill (like math or reading) were often severely deficient in that skill themselves. That dynamic seems to play out with these condescending pseudo-intellectuals.

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@Ashamed: Sorry, already taken.

I live in the “Liberal Game Preserve” of Missouri; but even at that, all the local media discussion boards are completely overrun by a handful of elderly male retirees who rail against “Socialist” government spending (while collecting SS and using Medicare or VA benefits); and spew all the same misogynistic bunk you deal with from these “Smart Guy” people, who have so far provided zero information about reproduction. One single “Left-wing crazy” has provided infinitely more facts than him so far.

They’ve basically got walls in their brains. They are completely unable to make connections between two closely related things: crying crocodile tears about all those poor innocent unborn babies, while cheering for military actions that kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people who have already been born; despising all the “imperfect” babies that do end up getting born – gays, left-handers, hermaphrodites, those with physical deformities and/or neurological disorders, etc.; failing to question their own God that supposedly tells them abortion is wrong, for performing so many abortions; and finally, despite the fervent desire to see every single baby that could possibly be born brought into the world, the moment they are here, half of them are cast aside as worthless wards of the state that they aren’t willing to support, and should just be locked up and/or put down.

I truly wonder how so many human beings have become so disconnected from humanity and so hateful and mean-spirited. I have my theories. But, just like the fact that you can’t really stop people from having sex, and you can’t really end abortion, the fact is plenty of those people exist, and the rest of us have to deal with them.

Being a guy, I’ll never experience or understand pregnancy. I might imagine what it’s like, but I’ll never face a decision about pregnancy. I honestly don’t feel like I have any authority to make that call for someone else, when I’m so absolutely and totally incapable of experiencing it myself.

Even if I *did* feel like I should be able to make that decision for a woman, I keep coming back to the fact that, no matter how much I might want to, might believe I have the right to, I simply don’t have that power. The woman has total and complete control, and there’s absolutely nothing I can do about that without inflicting some type of harm on both the woman, and the baby that is absolutely, positively, 100% dependent on that woman’s well being for it’s own well being.

To the point of viability, the woman is God. Quite frankly, I don’t envy that responsibility. Neither will I try to assume it.

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@drdrieberg: You might as well have addressed me directly.

While the life may technically be separate, it is entirely incapable of living more than a few days without attaching to the mother’s body. You can say ’separate’ but the placenta grows out of the embryo, and attaches itself to the mother’s uterus. There are some barriers between the mother’s circulation system and the baby’s circulation system, but ’separate’ is hardly how I would describe the placenta-uterine attachment. If that attachment is damaged, the baby dies. Separate, technically, yes. Distinct, certainly so. In any way, shape, or form independent from the mother? No.

I don’t like abortion; I understand what’s going on. By the time a human-induced abortion takes place, the fetus has a brain, a spine, a basic nervous system, and a functioning circulation system. Most women who have abortions understand this, too. If you think such a decision is usually made out of ignorance, well, “arrogant” and “condescending” right back atcha.

And you still can’t stop it (without mass prepubescent sterilization), or force a positive outcome.

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Google for pictures of babies at 20 and 24 weeks and then think if this is woman-body only issue or if rights of another human body – the baby – are involved. 20 weeks is five months. 24 weeks – six, that’s half year! If it takes some female that much to concider abortion after some irresponsible sex then the next thing she should do after – is a vasectomy on herself, because people with that kind of mind-set, or absence of any mind, should never reproduce. If you’ve been raped you go to the doctor promptly and do something about it, not wait half year to do this. How stupid, how irresponsible. I’m neither republican or democratic, I’m not religious, I’m not even American. And reading this makes me just sick of your screwed society where personal comfort is above humanism and morality.

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Guys, read Genesis 38:9 and learn what happened to Onan after he spilled his seed. Poor guy was struck down for his dishonorable discharge!

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[...] seldom ends well when stupid people try to be clever. The latest case in point involves some Democrats in the Georgia legislature: This afternoon, the House Judiciary (Non-Civil) Committee will take up HB 954, a measure that [...]

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Rep. Yasmin Neal’s stupidity must be as genetic as those who voted her into office.

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Holy Waste of Taxpayers Dollars, Batman!

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I agree with Grits. To compare the two procedures is just wrong!

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Stupidest democrats ever or best trolls ever?

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Is it just me or does this woman miss the point? Abortion takes care of a situation that has already taken place where as a vasectomy avoids the situation all together!
How is that the same??????
So does this mean that tubal ligations should also be banned!
Trust me when I say that there are people in this world that have NO business breeding!!!! You can’t stop them from having sex but when they KNOW they shouldn’t reproduce and choose to avoid it, GOOD CALL!!
I call that taking responsibility!!!

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abortion, getting your tubes tied, or a vasectomy should be up to the individual. my opinion, any abortion or preventative measure is good for the world. the world is too overpopulated anyways. besides, what will happen in the future when we use up all our natural resources and there is no more room for any more people?

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This is just further proof to me of the insanity of Democrats. No wonder our country’s in the shape it is in. I say give vasectomies and sterilization to all democrats and maybe we can stop the insanity.

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LOL’ing @ all the broke loser wimp dead-baby lovers crying about a waste of tax dollars.
Like you contribute enough to the GA tax base to make a difference anyway.
I feel sorry for all you losers whose god is such a pansy that he runs around obsessing over unborn babies.
My god is a wolf that turns into a dragon and then back into a wolf and he laughs at your pathetic god. My god doesn’t give a f^ck about abortion or any of you inbred idiots.

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In response to e-roll and this blog: very well put.

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What am I missing? How does a man getting a vasectomy/woman getting tubes tied (choosing not to make a baby) have to do with abortion (the murder of unborn children) which in most cases is due to bad social judgement??

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