African-Americans make up 3.6 percent of 2011 Zell Miller Scholarship recipients
Democrats in the state Senate, led by Jason Carter of Decatur, continued their badgering of Republicans on the future of the lottery-fueled HOPE scholarship today.
They’ve got a website, of course. Everyone does. This one is called Vanishing HOPE.
More important, they have some demographic breakdowns of HOPE recipients, produced by the Board of Regents, that show what could be the start of a troubling trend:
– Of the 8,721 high school graduates who were awarded a full-ride, Zell Miller Scholarship at state universities last fall, only 320 were African-American. That’s 3.6 percent. Georgia’s black population was measured at 30 percent, according to the 2010 census. Asian-Americans accounted for 897 Zell Miller Scholarships, or 10 percent.
See the university-by-university breakdown by clicking here.
– Of the 74,278 high school graduates who received the lesser HOPE scholarship and attended a state university in the fall of 2011, only 12,724 were African-American – 17 percent.
See the university-by-university breakdown by clicking here.
We can argue about the cause all day long. Please feel free to do so – politely. But you have to admit this is a disturbing disconnect in need of some attention.
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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150 comments Add your comment
keith
February 16th, 2012
6:10 pm
And the point is? Look we have equal opportunity not guaranteed equal results.
Ernest
February 16th, 2012
6:17 pm
Interesting data…..
roughrider
February 16th, 2012
6:18 pm
There is a low number of people of African decent that are scholars.
Rod
February 16th, 2012
6:28 pm
wow roughrider is rough. hope you get everything you truly deserve in life
Bates
February 16th, 2012
6:34 pm
As an undergraduate student receiving the HOPE scholarship at a state institution, I am truly disturbed by these numbers. However, I am not surprised. Regarding the comment pertaining to equal opportunity, that is simply not true. This misconception leads people to believe that African Americans are given the opportunity to perform at higher academic levels and are just not as scholarly. As a child, I tested as a gifted student. My performance in the classroom as well as on standardized tests has always exceeded the state expectations–placing me in the 90th percentile for my grade levels. There are a lot of environmental factors that influence a child’s education and academic performance making equal opportunity not so equal. An example would be the way teachers in this state treat young African American males differently than their lighter skinned counterparts for disruptions in the classroom. A child’s true potential is only realized when others around them ( as well as themselves) recognize it and encourage it.
WhoDatObama
February 16th, 2012
6:42 pm
Blacks have so many government programs to help them with. Blacks have affirmative action, government grants, urban enterprise zones, government housing programs granted toward them. Colleges have minority grants. See Obama for that. I’m so tried of all this BS. Blacks can EARN their way just like EVERYBODY else does. Blacks are able and don’t need this democrat plantation crap anymore. It’s time for ALL of us to stand on our own two feet and go to work period. People earn it and pay for it yourself.
jumping jack flash
February 16th, 2012
6:43 pm
“We can argue about the cause all day long. Please feel free to do so – politely. But you have to admit this is a disturbing disconnect in need of some attention.”
There’s not a lot to argue about. Anyone who knows anything about history knows the reason.. It has to do with social evolution, and not enough time has passed to naturally close the gap between the races. The governments’ flawed attempts to expedite the process only perpetuated the disparity.
This is Mrs. Norman Maine
February 16th, 2012
6:46 pm
“you have to admit this is a disturbing disconnect in need of some attention.”
Disturbing to who? Come on Jim, you know who frequents these blogs and I can assure you that they are not “disturbed” by this news. This is welcome news for some in this state and for others, they could care less.
AtticusFinch
February 16th, 2012
6:46 pm
roughrider is obviously qualified to comment on scholarly ability since he can’t spell descent.
Black Scholar
February 16th, 2012
6:47 pm
Roughrider — close to, but not quite, the English scholar! Perhaps local elementary schools are accepting grammar 101 applications. Feel free to steer clear of lowly but DECENT students of African DESCENT.
T.A
February 16th, 2012
6:49 pm
I agree with Bates. African Americans can be just as scholarly if not more than other people are. However, there are environmental factors that acutely affect them that can change equal opportunity into a very unequal playing field. We continue to suppress the cough with over the counter cough medicine but we are not understanding why we are coughing in the first place. One can argue what Bates said in how African American males are treated differently in the classroom- not just for disruptions but for everything in general; how other students perceive an intelligent African American male or female; the way the activities, assignments, etc. are structured and how they impact African American students- there’s so many potential reasons behind the cough that are not being looked at. Let’s take a look and evaluate these issues before taking cough syrup and suppressing the cough to give the illusion everything is fine and dandy.
Jobie
February 16th, 2012
6:50 pm
Mr. Galloway:
You made a mistake in your title . . . It should read Black Americans . . .
Meghan
February 16th, 2012
6:54 pm
Jobie,
I prefer God’s brown children.
WhoDatObama
February 16th, 2012
7:04 pm
Total BS. Blacks students are treated just like other students. Reguardless of the color of one’s skin. Grow the F@$K up people.
Bonedaddy
February 16th, 2012
7:12 pm
Let me guess, somehow evil republicans are in a dark room (sorry, no pun intended), conspiring to see who gets the scholarships. Lets look at this another way…….GRADES.
Bonedaddy
February 16th, 2012
7:14 pm
Also, what is a black person from Africa called who has become a recent American citizen? Lemme guess, a African African American, or African American African, or just plain American?
Bonedaddy
February 16th, 2012
7:15 pm
Eat another Twinkie Jim.
bilbo799
February 16th, 2012
7:17 pm
Bates and TA rehash a tired, old argument. Even assuming they’re correct that Blacks aren’t treated equally by teachers, my question is “so what?” First, as a minority, I’ve experienced racism from teachers — for me, it served as extra incentive to work harder to prove people wrong. All students will face some sort of adversity — Bates and TA want to engage in a futile attempt to get rid of all obstacles when the answer lies in getting students to demand more from themselves, regardless of what “racist” people do. Second, recognizing that Black students experience certain disadvantages (supposedly), programs like affirmative action give Black students advantages in the application process that MORE than compensate.
td
February 16th, 2012
7:21 pm
Total % for Zell Miller for all institutions:
Total: 10,629
Hispanic: 351 or 3.3% and are 8.8% of the total population
Asian: 927 or 8.7% and are 3.2% of the total population
AA: 400 or 3.8% and are 30.5% of the total population
White: 8516 or 80% and are 59.7% of the total population
td
February 16th, 2012
7:27 pm
bilbo799
February 16th, 2012
7:17 pm
Not only what you said but also looking at the numbers: Hispanics have the same amount of poverty and do not even speak the language and they are equal numbers of scholarships awarded while having 21.7% less population. Asians are out preforming both groups tremendously and most have English as a second language.
Bonedaddy
February 16th, 2012
7:27 pm
So what?
Bonedaddy
February 16th, 2012
7:30 pm
Here’s another statistic for you.
More than 19 million children — about one in four — were living in households where no father, biological or other, was present, according to a Census Bureau report in 2005.
The statistics also show that this burden falls more heavily on black children. Some 56 percent of black children lived in single-parent families in 2004, with most of those families headed by mothers. That figure compared with 22 percent of white children and 31 percent of Hispanic children.
Don't Tread
February 16th, 2012
7:53 pm
“you have to admit this is a disturbing disconnect in need of some attention”
OK, so what’s your plan for prompting the baby mamas and daddies (a majority of black baby daddies not even sticking around, according to the above post) to get their kids to study, do their homework, and pay attention in class? That’s what’s needing attention.
CDJ
February 16th, 2012
7:57 pm
This revealed data, interesting or not, raises the issue of who participates in lottery games and who benefits from the largesse. Studies show that low-income and minority individuals participate in lottery games at a higher propensity than other socio-economic groups.
Thus, the relevant public policy question becomes whether it’s “fair” for low and moderate-income individuals to pay for the college education of students from more affluent households. Lottery funding is not a tax; if it was it was be akin to toll roads, which are user fees. Accordingly, the benefits of lottery funding should be proportionate to those paying the user fee. The data implies that the HOPE program is a cross subsidy program — no better way to put it. As one who supports rewarding merit, I simply cannot justify the facts at hand.
CDE
February 16th, 2012
8:05 pm
THANKS for this truly amazing and very, very disturbing statistics.
It is unbelievable that only 320 African-Americans were awarded a full ride Zell Miller Scholarship to state universities in 2011.
There are 159 counties in the State of Georgia. This averages out to a whooping 2 Black students per county.
Former Democratic Governor and Republican Senator Zell Miller must be ecstatic .
Black lottery players statewide should STAND UP and unite !!!
We do not have to stand for this inequality in the distribution of lottery funded scholarships.
Atlanta Mom
February 16th, 2012
8:08 pm
According to http://education-portal.com/articles/Georgia_GA_Colleges_and_Universities.html
black/nonhispanics make up 5.4 % of the undergraduate enrollment population. Looks to me like they have a very high % of Zell Miller scholarships.
td
February 16th, 2012
8:11 pm
Totals for Hope lite scholarships:
Total: 74,278
Hispanic: 3,698 or 4.9% and are 8.8% of the total population
Asian: 4,108 or 5.5% and are 3.2% of the total population
AA: 12,724 or 17.1% and are 30.5% of the total population
White: 49,258 or 66% and are 59.7% of the total population
Atlanta Mom
February 16th, 2012
8:12 pm
ooops, I retract my information. It is OLD, and applicable only to UGA. I’ll look for more corrent information. My bad
td
February 16th, 2012
8:16 pm
More interesting stats:
Zell Miller scholarship
Female: 6231 or 60%
Male: 4399 or 40%
Hope lite scholarship :
Female: 45,125 or 60%
Male: 27,635 or 40%
Appears that females are outperforming their male counterparts in our secondary education system. Does this mean that there is a gender bias in our secondary schools or does it mean that females work harder in the classroom?
J
February 16th, 2012
8:19 pm
Bates & T.A.; any chance either of you are education majors?
Keith is correct.
LORD
February 16th, 2012
8:27 pm
I PRAY THAT THE PEOPLE LIVING IN GEORGIA WAKE UP. DO NOT JUDGE PEOPLE BASED ON THE COLOR OF SKIN. THERE ARE BLACK CRIMINALS AS WELL AS WHITE CRIMINALS. THERE ARE BLACK DUMMIES AS WELL AS WHITE DUMMIES. THERE ARE BLACK GHETTO PEOPLE AS WELL AS WHITE GHETTO PEOPLE.
I HOPE IT DOESN’T TAKE SOMETHING LIKE 9-11 TO HAPPEN IN GEORGIA FOR PEOPLE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER AND NOT MISTREAT PEOPLE BASED ON SKIN COLOR. THE BIBLE SAYS WE ARE TO LOVE EACH AND TREAT EACH OTHER HOW WE WANT TO BE TREATED.
PLEASE STOP ALL THE HATRED AND TRY TO BE AT PEACE WITH EACH OTHER. THE WORLD IS BIG ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE TO LIVE AND LOVE.
PEACE.
LORD
February 16th, 2012
8:28 pm
WE ARE TEACHING OUR CHILDREN TO HATE AND IT IS WRONG.
td
February 16th, 2012
8:32 pm
CDJ
February 16th, 2012
7:57 pm
There is no evidence in the data that states what the income levels of the scholarship parents are. Matter of fact I am willing to bet that the vast majority of the students themselves would be considered poor if you looked at just their income.
td
February 16th, 2012
8:42 pm
CDE
February 16th, 2012
8:05 pm
Your facts are a little distorted and some are just plain wrong.
1: Zell Miller was never a Republican and retired from the Senate as a Democrat.
2: African Americans earned a total of 13,124 total scholarships of which 400 were full scholarships. Some of the 400 chose to attend historically black colleges instead of attending the major universities in the state.
Look before I leap...
February 16th, 2012
8:44 pm
@td
“Does this mean that there is a gender bias in our secondary schools or does it mean that females work harder in the classroom?”
It doesn’t tell you anything other than 60% of the people getting Hope scholarship money are female.
CDJ
February 16th, 2012
8:46 pm
td-
Not sure what your bias is toward academic research, but I’d encourage you to review the body of literature that exists on state lottery enterprises (more needs to be done if you ask me) and determine whether you accept the results/conclusions or not. I reviewed a study just this week that examined this very issue on a national level. Thus, I would have to respectfully disagree that no one has looked at the issue in this manner. The body of literature is not expansive as I contend it should be (these are multi-billion dollar state enterprises), nevertheless we have to start somewhere to arrive at some understanding, right.
Ashley Dawson
February 16th, 2012
8:51 pm
I like to see the same break-down when it applies to athletes who are on scholarship.
Centrist
February 16th, 2012
8:55 pm
Democrats (hence the AJC) wants to make the Hope SCHOLARSHIP an affirmative action and another means tested entitlement.
It isn’t going to happen. It is going to remain an EARNED scholarship.
Just Wondering
February 16th, 2012
9:00 pm
If Blacks or African Americans are the majority of Georgia lottery players, as is put forth by many self proclaimed non-lottery playing republicans, is it wealth re-distribution if the award winners of the Hope Scholarships are the children of non-lottery playing republican Georgians?
Just wondering or asking. I know the lottery is voluntary so don’t bother throwing that out to me. I mean if you don’t play the lottery, then why should your child benefit? At least that is the logic of the argument of wealth re-distribution…right?
td
February 16th, 2012
9:01 pm
Look before I leap…
February 16th, 2012
8:44 pm
Well it looks like others are coming to conclusions based on numbers so I posed a similar question in a sarcastic manner.
td
February 16th, 2012
9:04 pm
CDJ
February 16th, 2012
8:46 pm
Please post some sources and sites to read this research.
double
February 16th, 2012
9:05 pm
Lord You are hurting my ears.
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bilbo799
February 16th, 2012
9:14 pm
@Just Wondering You’re saying you know the lottery is voluntary so “don’t bother throwing that out to me.” Well, you just addressed your own question with the obvious answer that you don’t want thrown at you. It may technically be “redistribution” but this sort of redistribution shouldn’t bother anyone because it’s voluntary. It’s like when people donate to charities (or, for that matter, choose to spend/give money for any other reason): that’s “redistribution” but its totally unobjectionable because it’s by choice. Very different from taxation.
School Digger
February 16th, 2012
9:16 pm
Go to schooldigger.com to see your local schools demographics, test scores, state rankings ect. Its not Rocket Science, the higher the black population in the school the lower the test scores. Its not being racists, its facts, do the research. The high school I went to was in the top 25 in the state when I graduate, it was about 5% black. Now it is 75% black and ranked well out of the top 300 high schools in the state.
School Digger
February 16th, 2012
9:17 pm
This political correctness makes me sick
Look before I leap...
February 16th, 2012
9:20 pm
@School Digger
Well, based upon the poor spelling and atrocious grammar in your post, it is apparent the school’s test scores went UP when you “graduate”.
Too funny! Thanks for the laugh.
Look before I leap...
February 16th, 2012
9:27 pm
@Centrist
Even if the means test is re-implemented, it would still be an EARNED scholarship.
What exactly is your objection to a means test?
bilbo799
February 16th, 2012
9:28 pm
@ CDJ. The lottery is nothing like a user fee for education. User fees are paid for access/use of a good or service. No one plays the lottery in order to get access to UGA or GT. People play the lottery for the chance to win a jackpot — if you get a valid lottery ticket, you’ve gotten what you’ve paid for. Lottery players are absolutely not entitled to any particular proportion of education funds. Your “logic” makes no sense.
Centrist
February 16th, 2012
9:30 pm
This is a liberal blog in liberal newspaper in a conservative state.
Democrats are not going to be given special consideration in redistricting, the anti-ILLEGAL immigration law is not going to be reversed by the legislature, and the Hope scholarship is not going to be based on need or set-asides. It will not matter how often these things are brought up by Democrats and the AJC (redundant).
Just Wondering
February 16th, 2012
9:33 pm
@bilbo799 – I disagree. The whole republican mantra is basically “no government handouts”. Now if my church or whatever non-governmental organization was holding a lottery to supply scholarships, then I would agree with you. The lottery is not a charity, it is State of Georgia/Government sponsored. So the government is picking winners/losers.
If I am against “government handouts” then there are no exceptions. If I don’t pay into the lottery, then I should not benefit.
Centrist
February 16th, 2012
9:34 pm
@ Look – My objection to means testing of EARNED benefits is based on the fact that we have a very progressive tax system and deep safety net for the needy. Means testing of EARNED benefits like the Hope, Social Security, Medicare is as wrong as doing it for poorer NFL players, or any other profession.
There are many, many needs based scholarships – Hope should not be (and will not be) one more.
School Digger
February 16th, 2012
9:35 pm
Just Wondering-
High School kids are the beneficiaries of the HOPE Scholarship…they don’t play the lotto. Just because Uncle Bobo spends half his paycheck on lotto tickets every Friday doesn’t me anything. I’m all for anyone, black, white whatever getting it but you have to make the grades. Any kid in the state of Georgia has a chance.
DSM
February 16th, 2012
9:36 pm
I’m a teacher, and I would like to know how teachers discriminate against black male students. Please share and give examples.
Look before I leap...
February 16th, 2012
9:43 pm
@Centrist
Social Security has an income cap.
Why not the same for Hope (as it was originally rolled out).
td
February 16th, 2012
9:45 pm
Look before I leap…
February 16th, 2012
9:27 pm
Even if the means test is re-implemented, it would still be an EARNED scholarship.
What exactly is your objection to a means test?
First: Remember that it is the parents that have the money. The actual children have no money. What if the parents chose not to pay for a child’s college then are you going to penalize the child because of his parents economic status?
Second: You just made a statement with no factual merit. We do not know the economic status of any of these recipients parents. How many of them would fall into the hi earners category? Are they receiving the Zell Miller Hope or the Hope lite and what are the high income parents earners race? What if 200 of the 400 African Americans earning the Zell miller were from families of high earners, should we cut their scholarships?
CDJ
February 16th, 2012
9:48 pm
td-
Pulled a random link from my resource book — maybe you’ve already read this.
http://sanford.duke.edu/news/newsletters/dpn/summer00/lottery.html
You seem to be one who values effort over handouts, so I’ll leave it to you to do a more in-depth review of the literature and draw your own conclusions, if you feel the need.
And to spare you a possible subsequent reply toward me, I am “informed” from time to time that much of the literature suggests that the average amount of dollars spent on lottery games is not significantly different across income ranges. Let’s say we both agree with this assertion. However, census data indicate that a large percentage of U.S. households and individuals are in the lower income ranges. In Georgia, there are nearly twice as many households with income under $40k compared to $100k+ income households and median household income in Georgia is around $48k. Thus, $100k can easily be considered middle class in Georgia (if this even means anything these days).
Something to consider in your education journey. But hey, you may still come out with a conclusion contrary to mine.
Madison
February 16th, 2012
9:50 pm
How did this legislature, paying the lottery director hundreds of thousands, run the program down so B avg full ride went away?
Could it be the lawmakers spend more time thinking up ways to lock up people?
Or is it their pathological hatred of public education?
Okay. We know it’s hard to get the money to the corporate contributors when you support public schools.
Centrist
February 16th, 2012
9:54 pm
@ Look – Social Security has a TAXABLE income cap since it also has a benefit cap. Both logical
Social Security benefits are taxed again even though they were taxed before taken out of paychecks – that is wrong, but was the Carter fix and followed on by other administrations (camels nose under the tent). This is now confiscation.
There is talk again about means testing those earned and previously taxed benefits – also very wrong, and even more confiscation.
CDJ
February 16th, 2012
9:58 pm
The U.S. tax system is realtively progressive on surface. However, it’s not just about what’s visible; what you don’t see matters just as much. Tax expenditure and tax credit programs — which benefit high income-earners to a larger degree — is no different than direct government spending. Home mortgage interest deductions, Georgia’s tax credit for K-12 educaton private schools, health care insurance deductions for corporations, etc. all run through the tax code and constitutes government spending. So everyone benefits for the United States welfare state.
“The Benefit and The Burden” by Bruce Bartlett is a good read for those interested in better understanding how the US tax system truly works.
Auntie Christ
February 16th, 2012
10:02 pm
I am white, my grandson is ‘black’ (his father is black). The grandson is getting Pell Grants and taken student loans to attend college. About 6 of his black friends are paying the same way because as high schoolers they were indifferent students and did not have the GPA for the Hope. If this situation is common, which is not that far fetched, it may account for this statistical discrepancy. All of his black friends who desired to attend college,have managed to get in and stay in through grants and loans.
Look before I leap...
February 16th, 2012
10:02 pm
@td
My comments had nothing to do with the demographics of the current recipients, so most of your post is non-senscial.
I simply asked what the objection is to re-instituting an income cap (or perhaps a gradation) that is a function of parental household income.
Since the scholarship no longer pays for books and fees, the burden to lower income families is disproportionate to that of higher income families.
I don’t have a problem with excluding means testing for the Zell Miller scholarship.
Rod
February 16th, 2012
10:04 pm
Good ol Dixie doing what it does best
Centrist
February 16th, 2012
10:09 pm
Tax credits and deductions were put in by Congress for reasons. They wish to encourage investment in certain areas. It is NOT spending, but reductions in revenue in order to divert that revenue toward favored areas. Obviously, many of these areas are more than suspect – they are simply favors to themselves, family, friends, and campaign contributors. But saying taxpayers should be means tested out of earned benefits to pay for those Congressional passed credits and deductions is pure populist (class warfare) crap.
School Digger
February 16th, 2012
10:13 pm
Auntie Christ……I’m sorry your daughter is a mudcat
CDJ
February 16th, 2012
10:14 pm
bilbo799-
For my logic to make no sense, one must assume that everyone who plays the lottery, play solely for those grand old prizes (let’s agree that most do). However, one cannot negate the notion that some people play the lottery because they simply believe in the value of early education (e.g. Georgia Pre-K program) and higher education (e.g. the HOPE program). So in this case the individual is not playing necessary to win that grand prize — they play to support education so they do have the right to have expectations regarding who benefits from education lottery funding. If they do win in the process, I’m sure they won’t turn nothing down by their collar (heck, they may choose to pop their collar).
So one can make the argument that playing the lottery is akin to a user fee. You may chop my logic up as outlandish rheteric (gotta love free speech right), but can one truly prove that my logic is undeniably wrong. I’d consider waging a bet on that challenge.
Bests.
td
February 16th, 2012
10:15 pm
Look before I leap…
February 16th, 2012
10:02 pm
I guess it is a matter of the way we see the world and thus the reason I am a conservative and you are a liberal. I do not see that it is the governments job to equal outcomes but to just give everyone equal opportunity. In this case all children have the opportunity to make the grades and get a full scholarship.
I read on the education blog a few weeks ago that stated the number of recipients making, whose parents make over $166, 000 per year, were not significant enough to be able to pay for those books and fees any longer.
The real problem is the cost of a college education has risen at a way higher rate then even inflation and the money available can not keep up with the number of children that are working hard and want to take advantage of the program.
Just Wondering
February 16th, 2012
10:15 pm
@School Digger –
I don’t disagree with your comment. I’m all for kids, all kids, having a chance to advance themselves. Sadly, in our country, we talk “equality”, but we don’t really mean it.
I understand that the beneficiaries of the lottery are high school graduates.
My comment was based on the talk that comes out of “right wing” radio that states that minorities disproportionately spend money on the lottery vs the benefits that the “brown” kids receive.
Will
February 16th, 2012
10:16 pm
Are we interested in closing the achievement gap or just giving more HOPE scholarships to black students. One of those is a very different conversation from the other.
I doubt there are many who want to have a real conversation about the achievement gap and what causes it. Eric Holder suggested that the country was a afraid to have a real conversation about race. Turned out Holder was the coward.
bilbo799
February 16th, 2012
10:17 pm
@ Just Wondering. Two points. First, you’re trying to characterize the lottery as a way for the government to pick winners and losers. When Republicans complain about this, it’s when the government picks winners (recipients/benificiary of public funds) and picks losers (people/taxpayers who put money into public funds but see no corresponding benefit — key point, the government decides who to tax and how much to tax). The thing is, the government is NOT picking the losers here — every lottery player picks himself as a participant. Second, you’re assuming lottery players — when they buy tickets — are purchasing some right to state scholarships. That’s not the case. When you buy that $1 ticket, all you’re paying for (and all buyers know this) is the right to the possibility of lottery winnings. You’re not paying for an entitlement to state scholarships. When you get that lotto ticket, the transaction’s over. If you don’t like that, don’t play the lottery.
td
February 16th, 2012
10:20 pm
CDJ
February 16th, 2012
10:14 pm
I am sorry but I am buying that argument for a minute. For your argument to be true then you would have to make the assumption that if all educational benefits were cut out then no one would play the lottery. Vegas, Atlantic city and all those Indian casinos would be out of business if that was true.
CDJ
February 16th, 2012
10:24 pm
@Centrist-
I have to respectfully disagree with you about tax expenditure not essentially being government spending. What is the difference between the government directly paying Boeing to build a fighter jet versus providing Boeing tax credits equal to the cost of building the fighter jet. In both instances the government is essentially diverting human capital, resources, etc. from the private sector for government services. The government is still paying for that figher jet. If the tax credits did not exist, would Boeing still have built that fighter jet — yea, maybe, but not for the government.
Centrist
February 16th, 2012
10:26 pm
Many people play lotteries because they are poor at math/statistics/odds and payouts. Our family plays the lottery sometimes, even though we know the payback odds are far worse than in a casino. Most of the “profits” go to a worthy cause, as opposed to wealthy Casino owners after their overhead is paid. This was in the AJC last year:
The Georgia Lottery Corp. provided this breakdown: prizes, 63 percent; education, 26 percent; retailers, 7 percent; vendors, 2 percent; advertising/marketing/promotions, 1 percent; operating expenses, 1 percent.
bilbo799
February 16th, 2012
10:28 pm
@ CDJ. Again, your argument makes no sense. IF we assume some people play the lottery because they see it as a way to benefit education only and not to win prizes, that’s not a user fee — that’s a voluntary contribution of money — in other words, that’s a donation. Some right to state education funds is not, and has never been, guaranteed solely because you play the lottery. We all know this.
Centrist
February 16th, 2012
10:35 pm
@ CDJ – Dollar for Dollar tax credits are rare for high income taxpayers and are voluntary. Individuals decide if they wish to “invest” in areas that return some credits (inducements). It is not government spending like direct subsidies. Deductions NEVER result in dollar for dollar, and worth considerably less than most credits.
Your logic is like Democrat Washington speak – when built in spending increases are reduced, they term them as spending “cuts” – even though spending increases (albeit at a lower rate than they would like).
bilbo799
February 16th, 2012
10:38 pm
By the way, if you play the lottery SOLELY because it benefits education, you are an idiot. There are far, far more efficient ways to benefit state education.
Dr. Craig Spinks/ GEORGIANS FOR EDUCATIONAL EXCELLENCE(GEE)
February 16th, 2012
10:44 pm
What are the respective racially-based percentages for the Zell Miller recipients who reside with their mothers and fathers? with their mothers only?
More simply put, does father-presence explain as much or more of the variance in Zell Miller receipt than does race?
CDJ
February 16th, 2012
10:48 pm
@Centrist.
Guess its all semantics in how you view the numbers. And yes, the tax credits and deductions are voluntary, but there’s a reason why you volunteer to capitalize on the benefits — the government’s invisible hand is guiding you. That’s all I’m saying. Doesn’t matter if this is right or wrong in this case. Just calling things for what they are. And I guess Bruce Barlett (who acknowledges these realities) is no longer considered a “true” Republican — since his days orchastrating Reagon’s lauded cut tax-cutting agenda. That is until he raised taxes.
-cj
A concerned Christian
February 16th, 2012
10:55 pm
The reason why politicians run is not to bridge the gap between rich and poor—no; it is to make everyone poor and oppressed—a socialist state when it comes to “wealth re-distribution”—-The movie Gladiator is better theatre representation of globalization of what these master scientist really want to kill off 4 billion people—-eventually a new world order will arise…..one world government—”we have a chance to forge for ourselves for future generations…”A new world order” —a order where not the “laws of the jungle”, but a world where the rule of law conducts the rule of man—-where a credible United Nations —when we are successful “annuit coptis” sons of liberty are successful—and will be…We have a chance at this new world order—-George Herbert Walker Bush Sr state of the union speech 1991…..9/11/1991……revelation 9:11
aside for this topic of wealth redistribution—has it ever occured to anyone that the pentagon was built and celebrated….. 9/11/1949…. http://www.visitingdc.com/virginia/pentagon-history.htm
Hitler is known for the same globalization type of speeches…..here is the logic—–9/11/1991…9/11/2001…9/11/1949 correlation these three dates they are all on the same date revelation 9:11. had it ever occurred to anybody? think about this —the pentagon is really an inverted pentagram of Baphomet—–”do wilt shall do”
Here is a piece of U,S. history for everyone on this blog……Adam Wieskopt founded the grand lodge of the freemasons……George Bush Jr. is 33 degree, barack obama is 32 degree…..there is your top 1%…..Rothchild, Windsor, Bush lineage, astor……..13 original families of the new world order.
Jackee
February 16th, 2012
10:56 pm
If a Negro can carry or catch a football for these slavemaster universities, they will get in.
CDJ
February 16th, 2012
10:59 pm
@bilbo799
One can argue that the world is full of idiots, but the realm of possibility regarding human behavior remains vast. Consider that there are more cost-effective and more efficient ways to provide healthcare in the US — but a large share of Americans prefer the more costly, voluntary private system in its current form. So in this case, there are a lot of idiots waking up and going to sleep each day. Similar to your argument for the lad who plays the lottery because s/he supports education. Both voluntary, neither the most cost-effective approach. Such idiots, right!
Jackee
February 16th, 2012
11:00 pm
As long as they can play ball for ole State U, they will get in no matter their grades.
Just Wondering
February 16th, 2012
11:05 pm
@bilbo799
February 16th, 2012
10:17 pm
You may have signed off for the night. I think we are misunderstanding one another. I do not ascertain that a lottery purchaser is purchasing said ticket with the Hope Scholarship in mind. Matter of fact, “the number” was played underground for a number of years before the government figured out how to get a piece of the pie.
My comment was merely based on what I’ve heard on “right wing” talk radio. Lottery players are often belittled/described as those who can least afford to play, yet, the kids in their communities are rarely recipients.
A government hand-out by any other name is a government hand-out.
honested
February 16th, 2012
11:06 pm
What banter to pretend that an unwillingness to shoulder the burden somehow lessens the costs of a Civilized nation.
The proposed ‘capital producing miracle’ promised with the 2002 tax cuts never worked and there is no reason to continue the pretense……unless the goal is really a permanent underclass increasing the number of those who will work for slave wages to protect the upper class.
A concerned Christian
February 16th, 2012
11:16 pm
To clarify this wealth re-distribution problem—–the only way to kill off 4 billion people is to take all these wealthy peoples’ money so that they cannot claim a dime of their medicare retirements, and they distribute it in the form of free giveaways so that the bears from yellowstone national park I use this as a analogy will keep being fed and keep voting to reelect barack obama…..there is the campaign slogan….what happens when there is no one to collect taxes from to keep feeding the bears……it levels the playing field so there is no wealth gap…….everyone is now poor!!!! This is how the plans for the new world currency will be inflated into the economy if they are successful. Those whom accept the mark of the beast will surely……his number is 666 analogy when was the white house founded……look at your one dollar bills 5-17-1776 —-5+1=6 ……7+1+7=15/6 and the last six fadic numeration.
A concerned Christian
February 16th, 2012
11:36 pm
There is no ideology to what I just said…..’one world government’ plurum urum for those whom speak latin doesn’t have any political parties…….in the book of revelation how does the temple get built for the antichrist……don’t you all go to church…….you read revelation book 9:11…….in the end of days…..satan will rule on GOD’s throne only to cast down with the rest of the government heads when jesus christ reclaims the throne freemasons have trowels for this reason think George Washington……in short, when this new world order takes place there will be no christians and jewish people left instead but Esau or satanists will be left to carry out their new world order in the end of days……..would you be believe I have proof that there is a 4.2 mile underground base now operational under the denver international airport a ‘new world order’ airport…..true tv beside the point……this is a secretive D.U.M.B.S. compound or Deep subterranean underground bases…..Fema scientists really do work in these underground base to check for solar flair activities…….
School Digger
February 16th, 2012
11:42 pm
I think you’re off your meds
Rick Huffman
February 16th, 2012
11:58 pm
The numbers are a telling indicator for a still racist culture here in the South. The south has held onto the racist attitudes and they are seen with the insensitive comments on this article, I grew up here in the South, I was once a racist that sounded just like the comments posted here. I am not proud of that past, but I am proud that I have over come the fog of ignorance and racism. Everyone should have the ability to climb and achieve the highest levels of education, wealth and stature in our society on a level playing field. Our president is a fine example of that opportunity. The numbers here are beyond the likelihood of non qualifiers, it hints of the un spoken good ole boy Georgia way….racism.
A concerned Christian
February 16th, 2012
11:59 pm
Aside from your topic, you got to look at the bigger picture…..this is not only happening here locally in Georgia…President Barack Obama as well as Bill Hemmer has already announced this new world currency……like the Euro it will look similar to our U.S. currency this is what our treasury dept and the IMF have announced….fact. I apologize to Mr. Gallowey for this post, and for my point I was trying to clarify on wealth distribution topic…..think outside the box. May GOD bless us all, and I am done for the night…..Disregard my blogs.
bilbo799
February 17th, 2012
12:02 am
@CDJ. You didn’t respond at all to my response regarding your misunderstanding of what a user fee is and how buying a lottery ticket does not entitle you — morally, politically, legally — to any state education funds. Instead you compared the preference for private insurance to the decision to play the lottery only to support education. That makes no sense for obvious reasons. Assuming everything you say about private insurance is true (which is very, very debatable and many prefer private insurance for constitutional/political reasons that have nothing to do with the cost of individual policies), I never said all people who act inefficiently are idiots — I understand smart people can make inefficient decisions. But if you play the lottery only for education purposes, you must not understand how much lotto money doesn’t go directly to state education and you must be disregarding how simple it is to make direct contributions to state education funds. I think any reasonable, intelligent person understands that you don’t play the lottery SOLELY for educational reasons. I can’t believe you don’t understand that.
bilbo799
February 17th, 2012
12:11 am
@ Just Wondering. I think you’re trying to say that right wingers are hypocrtical because you see them as criticizing government handouts generally but don’t seem to care about the “general handout” funded by the lottery. How is this the HOPE scholarship a government handout? It’s funded generally by people who voluntarily put their money in the fund. Then, the money goes to students who earn it through their GPAs/test scores. In what we think of as government handouts, the government compels taxpayers to fund a program and then the money goes to people who are ENTITLED to the money under law because they are unemployed or poor. So, if you’re wondering why right wingers hate government handouts but (at least some) are OK with HOPE, it’s because HOPE is not anything like the government handouts right wingers hate. You can call HOPE a government handout and talk about hypocrisy, but just understand that your definition of government handout is different from everyone else’s.
A concerned Christian
February 17th, 2012
12:16 am
I understand your topic clearly……and your right, people do not play the lottery for the sole reason for education reasons…….I agree with you completely…..The thing that concerns me the most is that I work and my father are working taxpayers here in Georgia…..My father cannot collect a single dime of what you said his private insurance….because Barack Obama keeps taking it from him…..I understand the equitable wealth distribution issue…..as I said there is two sides to every issue…..you can make direct contributions out of pocket to state education funds….corporations do contribute to the Hope Scholarship Fund. I understand this is a very complex issue! I agree when wealth distribution there is no simple answers. Social upward mobility for our Georgians is a very complex issue….
BIg Hat
February 17th, 2012
12:18 am
To paraphrase and old Southern expression, “Save your back issues of the Thunderbolt, son, ‘cuz the J.B. Stoners of Georgia are gonna rise again!”
Storm Debris
February 17th, 2012
12:21 am
What this shows is that our educational system is failing the citizens of this state. If all kids have access to the same education then these numbers should not be. How about spending that lottery number on teachers and school programs. Then maybe every kid who actually attends school will benefit. Then maybe the overall literacy rate of our citizens will increase.
A concerned Christian
February 17th, 2012
12:30 am
To add to my last comment….I agree with you that deserving students that do not have the funds to pay for college should rewarded based on merit…..But when the government takes money from your parents retirement funds to according to give to the merits of younger americans I can see where you lean on this issue……The only thing I suggest as a possible solution is to raise the funds from people whom can comtribute, but it should not come from retirement benefits as a excise tax…….The reason why I say this is that if you read Brad Delong post….on how the delay of education for the younger america is costing our economy for the next generation 270 billion of GDP….If this were to continue we could be bankrupt and unable to repay the fiscal debt and be have a economic collapse within ten years. But what I was suggest is to have fund raising for every dollar willingly donated to contribute to this fund, so the excise tax is not taken out of your pocket and how the younger generations pockets when you had the opportunity to make your money when you older and doesn’t come out of your retirement—fair enough medicare is not excised for taxes so you can retire yourself –what comes goes around.
A concerned Christian
February 17th, 2012
12:43 am
I made my points I hope this issue has a solution for younger americans whom can all have the opportunities for prosperity…..I do mean everyone……..I do mean everyone I do mean everyone there is no racism here.
jo crazy
February 17th, 2012
12:57 am
Enter your comments here
double
February 17th, 2012
1:28 am
Barack Obama reckon he ever smoked PRINCE albert?
tman
February 17th, 2012
3:05 am
All this and I wonder how many did not graduate and dropped out of H.S. I bet that statistic is scary.
A concerned Christian
February 17th, 2012
3:39 am
There is nothing wrong with giving Hope Scholarship money to deserving students from gambling…..there is nothing more to be said on this issue….all of you had good comments.
4xtra
February 17th, 2012
3:56 am
Another subject for ole “Billy Bob and Suzy” to get that rebel flag out
the closet and hang it ON THE PORCH.
And also see that you guys from the trailer park got your DIAL UP CONNECTION finally working.
I am so sick and tired of hearing you guys complain that blacks get all these “magical and imaginary” grants. What world are you in??
Section 8 is for everyone,
the Pell grant is everyone
Welfare is for everyone. (AND YOU DO NOT GET A BONUS FOR BEING BLACK EITHER)
I owe almost $50k in student loans and when Im done (with grad school) it will be over $70k.
If there are any magical and imaginary grants really out there LET ME KNOW.
You guys are pitiful but then again
At least you dont owe as much as I do for school. (OOPS you didnt go to school after BARELY graduating from H.S) but one thing for sure……..
IGNORANCE IS CHEAPER THAN COLLEGE
Just stick to plating your banjo all day and stop posting ignorance and stupidity online.
HEE HAW
A concerned Christian
February 17th, 2012
4:09 am
This was Jim Galloway’s point the Zell Miller fund needs to be reformed for the reason is to allow this surplus of lottery to be given to more deserving students, and to help these become employed. I support Jim Galloway on this decision….This was the original posting…..I surprised by some of the comments from some of these bloggers…..This was a rebuttal if you support this reform which I do….I like this….as I said I am very disturbed by how this posting ended up….my apologies to Jim Galloway if he reads these postings……This is what my thoughts were about Jim galloway’s article.
tyger
February 17th, 2012
4:44 am
Georgia educational institutions are historically and systemically racist organizations. The culture of the South precludes equal or proportional educational opportunity for African-Americans. It has always been that way and has never changed, and probably never will. If not for Historically Black Colleges and Universities there would not be any college-educated African Americans in Georgia at all.
Certainly, there are a handful every year at the predominately white institutions, Georgia, Georgia Tech, etc. but most of those African Americans are there for track, football, basketball. Those institutions are not serious about providing significant equal access to educational opportunities, it’s not in their personal self interests.
Much like corporate America, they have a slight interest in putting on a good show, but why would conservative white America advance African Americans?
Attack Dog
February 17th, 2012
6:25 am
Before Dixiecrats get things too twisted, consider that (1) many Black students eligible for the HOPE Scholarship leave the state or attend one of the state or prestigious private colleges such as Stanford, MIT, Howard, Harvard, Hampton, Georgetown, Morehouse and Spelman. (2) Dixiecrats can’t blame minorities for the horrible retention rate of HOPE scholars. (3) There are more Black athletes than HOPE scholars, percentage wise as it relates to student segments, and that says a lot able Georgia’s priorities.
Attack Dog
February 17th, 2012
6:26 am
“…about Georgia priorities.”
East Repeat
February 17th, 2012
6:51 am
When will blacks be equal to whites? When blacks recognize they ARE EQUAL and resppnsible for themselves, equality will be achieved. As long as blacks see themselves as less than others, they will be less than others. Wonder what the percentage of State Employess are black? Much higher than the percentage of population that is black! Is that “fair”? Lottery is for SUCKERS, keep your money and invest/save it, don’t throw it away on a worthless pc of paper.
East Repeat
February 17th, 2012
6:56 am
Tyger- why would White America promote Afrcian Americans? Because the blacks are qualified, display work ethic, and can help a business generate PROFIT. If you make yourself a worthless human who has no work ethic, no respect for anyone or anything, just a first class whiner, then you are right, no one will promote you because you don’t even believe in yourself.
East Repeat
February 17th, 2012
7:01 am
4xtra- 70K in debt. You are a sucker also. Don’t borrow big money for these worthless college educations. These schools have seized your future disposable income. Not money you have now, but your future earnings. Sad, you have been had. And once you graduate, you will probably not even get a job as you seem like quite the entitled one- work, I am sure, is beneath you!
Open Your Eyes
February 17th, 2012
7:03 am
The answer is simple. Income. Poor white and black children tend to not get the hope scholarships as often as their wealthier counterparts. The poorer the family, typically the less opportunties they have to suceed. We an argue race all day long, but if you look at the percentages of poor within the percentage of the population that is of that race, you will get a clearer picture. Poor white and black people need to stop fighting each other and realize they are BOTH in the same situation. BOTH are in a trap of self fulfilment if they don’t seek ways to get out of that trap.
East Repeat
February 17th, 2012
7:04 am
By the way, see 2010 election results to see what happens in 2012. America is angry at what Obama has done to our country and will be routed in defeat. Mainstream media will tell us Obama will when right up to election day, but it will be a total Dummycrat beat down! Yea!
East Repeat
February 17th, 2012
7:06 am
Listen to Open Your Eyes and get out of the porr trap. You can do it, God and I believe in you. Don’t believe you are less than others.
Nazareth Mali
February 17th, 2012
7:35 am
So called English scholars have been stealing knowledge from African scholars for hundreds of thousands of years. Your civilization is a baby in terms of time. Not your false Gregorian calendar time. We understand the true motive because I am positive there are just enough qualified Minority students as there are (caucasian). I teach these students everyday and see their acomplishments. However, no matter what system is put in place our students will still prevail. Georgia has never changed their confederate clothes, so i dont get mad at these reports.The correct term for Blacks, African Americans and Negroes is Original Man. Study properly and you will see who evolved first.
Nazareth Mali
February 17th, 2012
7:38 am
East Repeat-When will blacks be equal to whites?
Why would we want to be equal to a thief and liar? Does not make sense. Stay off blogs writing ignorant comments. It is not a good look.
RIGHTISWRONG
February 17th, 2012
8:07 am
Ok Zella used to be a dem, now he is a righty.
C’mon TD. Stop your ranting. The problem with the right is that numbers and facts mean nothing to you. You guys push your agenda through piles of your own spewed vitriolic excrament.
I’m so glad the country is leaning LEFT. It is where the sane people congregate.
Have a nice weekend.
catlady
February 17th, 2012
8:08 am
I suspect this is more a commentary on grade inflation, ie the disconnect between grades and SAT scores.
honested
February 17th, 2012
8:08 am
Attack Dog,
Hear!, Hear!
I wonder what the overall rates would be if all the money wasted on high school football foolishness were kept in the ACADEMIC areas where it should be.
Why do hilbillys love gladiators so much more than scholars?
Just a taxpayer
February 17th, 2012
8:19 am
Sweden’s education system is inarguably the best in the world. They made it so not by just increasing teacher’s salaries and creating standards, but by making it fair. Every child has the same level of funding, books, etc. There is a national effort and investment on making sure every child is treated the same. And it shows.
B. Thenet
February 17th, 2012
8:21 am
This is disturbing, but instead of restricting the availability of HOPE to others…perhaps this might give the Democrats some impetus to actually DO SOMETHING about the tragic state of our educational system in this state, especially in the inner cities. And let’s be honest, this sad situation is both parties faults. It is not like the Democrats ran this state for nearly 100 years until recently, right?
Lowering the standards for HOPE to raise the percentages of one group does nothing to fix the root cause of the problem.
Danny
February 17th, 2012
8:49 am
Can we start by getting the 40 acres and the mule?
Auntie Christ
February 17th, 2012
8:50 am
School digger: Auntie Christ……I’m sorry your daughter is a mudcat
I’m not. I have 4 beautiful brown grandchildren. I wonder what your inbred, white trash ignorant progeny look like, probably like something out of a Marvel Comic.
Danny
February 17th, 2012
8:51 am
As far as welfare, there way more white people on welfare than blacks, meaning they are draining the government for more than any blacks.
16 Million blacks vs. 85 million whites.
WOW
February 17th, 2012
8:51 am
@tyger
Certainly, there are a handful every year at the predominately white institutions, Georgia, Georgia Tech, etc. but most of those African Americans are there for track, football, basketball. Those institutions are not serious about providing significant equal access to educational opportunities, it’s not in their personal self interests.
As an African-American graduate of UGA who did receive the scholarship you are incorrect about the University’s lack of seriousness about recruiting minority students. These students are often choosing to attend other Universities (many out of State), which is there right and this causes a natural decrease in the numbers of recipients of the scholarships. Competing for these students is a challenge to which I know that the University of Georgia has been committed to over the past 15 years. My interest in the school, in fact, started from a minority recruitment day (no athlete’s only students). While there are historic issues with some of the state’s universities to say they lack a commitment to diversity has no basis in fact.
Go Jackets
February 17th, 2012
8:58 am
I received the HOPE scholarship for each of my four years at GT in the late 90’s. I am very grateful for the opportunity to EARN the scholarship. I come from a “white” and relatively “affluent” family. I do not see how my familial status should have had any bearing on my ability to EARN the HOPE scholarship. I was an 18 year old when I entered GT – a legal adult – just like every other GT freshman. Unless this state is willing to legislate that “rich white people” are obligated to pay for their adult children to go to college (which would be unconstitutional), then all 18 year olds that earned HOPE, should receive HOPE, regardless of their background. I find it amazing that the very same people that constantly scream “equal protection of the laws” (without having any understanding at all what that means) would suggest that 18 year olds be treated differently based on their race or their parents’ income level.
The best way for the state to re-vamp HOPE would be for the it to invest the HOPE funds in individuals from whom it would get the biggest ROI, i.e. GT and UGA (grudging admission) students. It always bothered me immensly that a nuclear engineering major at GT received the same scholarship and was held to the same academic standards as an English major at Kennesaw State, when the two programs are not even remotely comparable, and their relative worth to the State of Georgia is not even close.
School Digger
February 17th, 2012
9:03 am
Auntie Christ-
I’m sorry your daughter was so fat and unattractive to white men and that she was so insecure she got with a black man. How is the single parenting while living in shame thing going by the way?
Amazing
February 17th, 2012
9:16 am
While there are a number of posters who think racist and spiteful comments are substitutes for intelligent dialogue, my comment is not for you. As with all statistics, the #s can be interpreted in a lot of ways. As a black man, I do find the statistics disturbing. However, this is just a sound bite and you have to look underneath the numbers for a clearer perspective on the #s. For example, some qualified black students decided to attend school out of state and thereby reducing the size of the pool of eligible black participants. My daughter is a perfect example. She would have been eligible for a full scholarship but she had no desire and no intention of attending a college or university in Georgia. Another factor is the dropout rate for black males. We can debate the reasons all day long but this also contributes to the low rate for blacks receiving full scholarships. Before the ignorant comments start, not all drop outs are academically poor performers. Some drop outs are very intelligent but are making bad decisions (same can be said for some politicians on both sides of the aisle).
My point is that we cannot react or over react purely based on the sound bites that the media feeds us. You have to dig deeper to better understand what is underneath the data.
School Digger
February 17th, 2012
9:25 am
The bottom line is blacks follow white people around everywhere they go. It is really a pointless argument when people come on here with these generic insults (trailer park, inbred ect). White flight has been a part of Atlanta since the 50’s. What do you people think, you’re going to move out of the ghettoin hordes to the suburbs, take over an area and everything will stay the same? No! That area then becomes a ghetto (reference South Dekalb circa 1960’s to today). It is not a coincidence that schools that were formerly white turn to s**t when they get over populated with blacks (see Dekalb, Clayton, Southern Gwinnett, Rockdale, Southern Cobb and Henry Counties for example). I was down on Jonesboro road the other day and it looked like Detroit! Grown men standing around tire shops and gas stations drinking and hanging out, playing the lotto (thanks for the HOPE sucka!)….in the middle of the day….on a weekday…they probably haven’t worked in years (stealing A/C units doesn’t count) and kids running around…during school hours….like packs of wild animals (pun intended) with their pants hanging off their a**…that is why the % of blacks getting HOPE Scholarship is so low, nothing else!! Everyone knows why, Zell Miller knows why, everyone is just to politically correct to say it.
Frankie
February 17th, 2012
9:33 am
@whodat….
blacks have the same progrms whites have…
If a black person earns a 4.0 (whose parents are middle class) and a white earns a 4.0 (whose parents are middle class)the HOPE scholarship will go to the white because …..because the child is white.
@school digger….your an idior plain and simple idiot….
Frankie
February 17th, 2012
9:35 am
@amazing…I agree totally. my daughter also qualified for the Hope Scholarship but also recieved scholarship out of state and chose the out of state school because of the better curriculumn and degree choices.
J Throckmorton Malcontent
February 17th, 2012
9:39 am
Each talk radio host should be assigned a fatherless African American child to mentor, so they can be properly instructed on how to become perfect, honorary Caucasian-American citizens. That should solve the problem. Perhaps their listeners could be assigned some, also.
School Digger
February 17th, 2012
9:49 am
@Frankie…
How am I an idiot? What did I say that WASN’T true??
School Digger
February 17th, 2012
10:01 am
@Danny….
” As far as welfare, there way more white people on welfare than blacks, meaning they are draining the government for more than any blacks.
16 Million blacks vs. 85 million whites.”
There are A LOT more white people in this country (even though it is hard to tell living in Atlanta, its true) dumb dumb….and make sure you sight your sources boy.
josh
February 17th, 2012
10:02 am
Here is an idea. Take that dollar you are going to use to play the lottery and donate to the United Negro College Fund – problem solved.
DB
February 17th, 2012
10:38 am
So — what are you suggesting? That color be one of the factors in awarding HOPE scholarships? Given that the thresholds are well-defined, and given that you can basically make a B in most public schools simply by showing up, and an A if you actually do the work — what else CAN be done?
My daughter was penalized financially by going to a very rigorous private school, where she ended up just short of the Zell scholarship level, even though her standardized scores were excellent. Never mind that after three years at UGA, she will NEVER qualify for the Zell, even though her college GPA has remained higher than her high school GPA — she is well on her way to qualifying for Phi Beta Kappa, and has been one of the rare students to keep her HOPE scholarship throughout her college career. A retroactive decision made after she had been in college for a year decided that what she made in high school three years ago defined her HOPE qualifications for the rest of her college career.
Still, 90% is still generous, even if universities are worse than airlines at adding on extra fees to published “tuition” prices. I’m still paying far less than I did at her private school.
HOPE has published their guidelines for providing funding — they are well known. The guidelines are not onerous. If ANY student wants a HOPE scholarship, then they know what they need to do to earn it. Are you seriously suggesting that the bar should be lowered for non-suburban, non-white students?
Auntie Christ
February 17th, 2012
10:49 am
How am I an idiot? What did I say that WASN’T true??
Because you are ignorant inbred white trash redneck white supremacist, no doubt sporting ‘white pride’ swastikas over most of your body. You are the poster boy for why cousins are not allowed to marry. Your posts are full of misspellings and misuse of the language, such as ” make sure you sight your sources boy.” (find someone who can read, and have them look up cite) That is the trouble with you inbred rednecks, you have to constantly show the world your ignorance, and the worst part of it is you’re proud of it.
School Digger
February 17th, 2012
11:12 am
I don’t give a f*ck about my spelling (its hard typing on a smartphone you bought from $$ you earned from a job you got by going to college with the HOPE Scholarship that you’re daughters baby daddy’s family paid for by playing the lotto everyday)…..I want to know what I said that wasn’t true??? Nobody can seem to answer that
D. Whyte Mansburten
February 17th, 2012
11:59 am
Negroes are extremely unlikely to “successfully” matriculate in any other environment that a racist HBC, with a “degree” in African Studies. They almost invariably fail otherwise, but that doesn’t stop them from trying to ruin the college experience for all other Georgia college students. They just cannot bear to imagine that anyone else deserves getting something “for free.”
Middle of the Road
February 17th, 2012
12:03 pm
“America is angry at what Obama has done to our country and will be routed in defeat.”
East – I do not agree that America will be routed in defeat.
roughrider
February 17th, 2012
12:08 pm
Blacks seem to rank higher on % of incarceration and lower on student achievement.If the grants are based on gpa, no way can it be discrimination.
School Digger
February 17th, 2012
12:19 pm
Did you hear about the two “youths” (aka. black thugs) who apesaulted the girl in an empty high school classroom in Jonesboro? Up with HOPE, down with dope.
http://m.ajc.com/news/clayton/2-clayton-county-teens-1351988.html
OLD Guardsman
February 17th, 2012
12:20 pm
J Throckmorton Malcontent – you have just demonstrated the root cause of this problem: Moron’s like you who think demanding achievement is somehow inappropriate. Seems to me you’re just fine with the culture that promotes lack of school achievement as the model. Sad, very sad.
JJ
February 17th, 2012
12:25 pm
lets get one thing straight, African Americans do not have the same opportunities. The standards of education that is received in predominantly AA lower income areas is significantly lower. And the urban grants that are available… have you not seen the news talking about how the money is being misappropriated and not being spent on those who need it? And “black” students are treated the same, go to Benjamin Mays high School then go to Alpharetta High School and tell me what you see. And lets be realistic, throughout the US there are many students of other races who may “hinder” high test scores, I went to school in Johns Creek, GA (yes I am African American) with Caucasians, those of Latin decent and Indian decent, there were those who did well AND those who did poorly. If you do not give student a motivation and teachers who are there for a paycheck you end up with what we see.
Sara.R
February 17th, 2012
12:40 pm
That´s a new point of view,interesting…sometimes things are not working as predicted….
regards,
Sara
larry.333
February 17th, 2012
12:44 pm
The comments on this page speak to the problem, speak to who cause the problem and it speaks to the results posted.
Jim Crow is rising.
Chaos
February 17th, 2012
12:46 pm
The Zell Miller scholarship is based on scholarly performance, not on race. Performance, folks. It shouldn’t matter if most of the people getting the full scholarship are green. Geez…I get so tired of pigeon-holing everything down to race.
Using the same logic, we should be all up-in-the-air because the vast majority of Zell recipients come from the metro area. Us folks outside of the Atlanta area should REVOLT!!! Not enough mountain folk getting a scholarship…
HOPE is not a quota system. For all you folks that think it should be, get over it.
Frankie
February 17th, 2012
1:49 pm
@school digger….I could stoop to your level but i don’t get down with crawling around with serpents and ignorant people…
Frankie
February 17th, 2012
1:54 pm
I would like to see the same break down of where the students who are awarded the HOPE scholarship and what high schools they graduated from. That would shed more light on how the GPA and the demographic of the student relate. I would tend to guess that the schools in the more “affluent” areas of Metro Atlanta tend to get a higher percentage of the hope scholarships even though their GPAs are the same as thos in the less “affluent” areas.
School Digger
February 17th, 2012
3:26 pm
The problem is their GPA’s aren’t the same. You can’t convinced kids who’s main goal in life is to smoke weed, harass women, gets rims and free load all day to go to school and do well. It’s the sorry a** rap music generation. I say we end the HOPE Scholarship and use the lotto money to build a 50 feet tall electric fence along I-20. You people shouldn’t be allowed to just drive from Adamsville to Ansley Park whenever you please.
School Digger
February 17th, 2012
3:54 pm
Georgia High School Rankings:
Walton High School (Marietta/East Cobb)- 8 out of 399
Douglas High School (Atlanta/Westside)- 372 out of 399
http://www.schooldigger.com/go/GA/search.aspx
double
February 17th, 2012
5:17 pm
school digger you one hateful cuss.What decend.you be?Or deep end whatever.
wkeef
February 17th, 2012
5:44 pm
Zell Miller Scholars are the cream. Those who are black, hispanic, female or any not- white- males, likely can go to any school they desire. Perhaps some of Georgia’s top blacks are at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, should I go on? Get the numbers for those and let’s see what the comparison is.