African-Americans make up 3.6 percent of 2011 Zell Miller Scholarship recipients

Democrats in the state Senate, led by Jason Carter of Decatur, continued their badgering of Republicans on the future of the lottery-fueled HOPE scholarship today.

They’ve got a website, of course. Everyone does. This one is called Vanishing HOPE.

More important, they have some demographic breakdowns of HOPE recipients, produced by the Board of Regents, that show what could be the start of a troubling trend:

– Of the 8,721 high school graduates who were awarded a full-ride, Zell Miller Scholarship at state universities last fall, only 320 were African-American. That’s 3.6 percent. Georgia’s black population was measured at 30 percent, according to the 2010 census. Asian-Americans accounted for 897 Zell Miller Scholarships, or 10 percent.

See the university-by-university breakdown by clicking here.

– Of the 74,278 high school graduates who received the lesser HOPE scholarship and attended a state university in the fall of 2011, only 12,724 were African-American – 17 percent.

See the university-by-university breakdown by clicking here.

We can argue about the cause all day long. Please feel free to do so – politely. But you have to admit this is a disturbing disconnect in need of some attention.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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Just Wondering

February 16th, 2012
9:33 pm

@bilbo799 – I disagree. The whole republican mantra is basically “no government handouts”. Now if my church or whatever non-governmental organization was holding a lottery to supply scholarships, then I would agree with you. The lottery is not a charity, it is State of Georgia/Government sponsored. So the government is picking winners/losers.

If I am against “government handouts” then there are no exceptions. If I don’t pay into the lottery, then I should not benefit.

Centrist

February 16th, 2012
9:34 pm

@ Look – My objection to means testing of EARNED benefits is based on the fact that we have a very progressive tax system and deep safety net for the needy. Means testing of EARNED benefits like the Hope, Social Security, Medicare is as wrong as doing it for poorer NFL players, or any other profession.

There are many, many needs based scholarships – Hope should not be (and will not be) one more.

School Digger

February 16th, 2012
9:35 pm

Just Wondering-

High School kids are the beneficiaries of the HOPE Scholarship…they don’t play the lotto. Just because Uncle Bobo spends half his paycheck on lotto tickets every Friday doesn’t me anything. I’m all for anyone, black, white whatever getting it but you have to make the grades. Any kid in the state of Georgia has a chance.

DSM

February 16th, 2012
9:36 pm

I’m a teacher, and I would like to know how teachers discriminate against black male students. Please share and give examples.

Look before I leap...

February 16th, 2012
9:43 pm

@Centrist

Social Security has an income cap.
Why not the same for Hope (as it was originally rolled out).

td

February 16th, 2012
9:45 pm

Look before I leap…

February 16th, 2012
9:27 pm

Even if the means test is re-implemented, it would still be an EARNED scholarship.
What exactly is your objection to a means test?

First: Remember that it is the parents that have the money. The actual children have no money. What if the parents chose not to pay for a child’s college then are you going to penalize the child because of his parents economic status?

Second: You just made a statement with no factual merit. We do not know the economic status of any of these recipients parents. How many of them would fall into the hi earners category? Are they receiving the Zell Miller Hope or the Hope lite and what are the high income parents earners race? What if 200 of the 400 African Americans earning the Zell miller were from families of high earners, should we cut their scholarships?

CDJ

February 16th, 2012
9:48 pm

td-

Pulled a random link from my resource book — maybe you’ve already read this.

http://sanford.duke.edu/news/newsletters/dpn/summer00/lottery.html

You seem to be one who values effort over handouts, so I’ll leave it to you to do a more in-depth review of the literature and draw your own conclusions, if you feel the need.

And to spare you a possible subsequent reply toward me, I am “informed” from time to time that much of the literature suggests that the average amount of dollars spent on lottery games is not significantly different across income ranges. Let’s say we both agree with this assertion. However, census data indicate that a large percentage of U.S. households and individuals are in the lower income ranges. In Georgia, there are nearly twice as many households with income under $40k compared to $100k+ income households and median household income in Georgia is around $48k. Thus, $100k can easily be considered middle class in Georgia (if this even means anything these days).

Something to consider in your education journey. But hey, you may still come out with a conclusion contrary to mine.

Madison

February 16th, 2012
9:50 pm

How did this legislature, paying the lottery director hundreds of thousands, run the program down so B avg full ride went away?
Could it be the lawmakers spend more time thinking up ways to lock up people?
Or is it their pathological hatred of public education?
Okay. We know it’s hard to get the money to the corporate contributors when you support public schools.

Centrist

February 16th, 2012
9:54 pm

@ Look – Social Security has a TAXABLE income cap since it also has a benefit cap. Both logical

Social Security benefits are taxed again even though they were taxed before taken out of paychecks – that is wrong, but was the Carter fix and followed on by other administrations (camels nose under the tent). This is now confiscation.

There is talk again about means testing those earned and previously taxed benefits – also very wrong, and even more confiscation.

CDJ

February 16th, 2012
9:58 pm

The U.S. tax system is realtively progressive on surface. However, it’s not just about what’s visible; what you don’t see matters just as much. Tax expenditure and tax credit programs — which benefit high income-earners to a larger degree — is no different than direct government spending. Home mortgage interest deductions, Georgia’s tax credit for K-12 educaton private schools, health care insurance deductions for corporations, etc. all run through the tax code and constitutes government spending. So everyone benefits for the United States welfare state.

“The Benefit and The Burden” by Bruce Bartlett is a good read for those interested in better understanding how the US tax system truly works.

Auntie Christ

February 16th, 2012
10:02 pm

I am white, my grandson is ‘black’ (his father is black). The grandson is getting Pell Grants and taken student loans to attend college. About 6 of his black friends are paying the same way because as high schoolers they were indifferent students and did not have the GPA for the Hope. If this situation is common, which is not that far fetched, it may account for this statistical discrepancy. All of his black friends who desired to attend college,have managed to get in and stay in through grants and loans.

Look before I leap...

February 16th, 2012
10:02 pm

@td

My comments had nothing to do with the demographics of the current recipients, so most of your post is non-senscial.
I simply asked what the objection is to re-instituting an income cap (or perhaps a gradation) that is a function of parental household income.

Since the scholarship no longer pays for books and fees, the burden to lower income families is disproportionate to that of higher income families.

I don’t have a problem with excluding means testing for the Zell Miller scholarship.

Rod

February 16th, 2012
10:04 pm

Good ol Dixie doing what it does best

Centrist

February 16th, 2012
10:09 pm

Tax credits and deductions were put in by Congress for reasons. They wish to encourage investment in certain areas. It is NOT spending, but reductions in revenue in order to divert that revenue toward favored areas. Obviously, many of these areas are more than suspect – they are simply favors to themselves, family, friends, and campaign contributors. But saying taxpayers should be means tested out of earned benefits to pay for those Congressional passed credits and deductions is pure populist (class warfare) crap.

School Digger

February 16th, 2012
10:13 pm

Auntie Christ……I’m sorry your daughter is a mudcat

CDJ

February 16th, 2012
10:14 pm

bilbo799-

For my logic to make no sense, one must assume that everyone who plays the lottery, play solely for those grand old prizes (let’s agree that most do). However, one cannot negate the notion that some people play the lottery because they simply believe in the value of early education (e.g. Georgia Pre-K program) and higher education (e.g. the HOPE program). So in this case the individual is not playing necessary to win that grand prize — they play to support education so they do have the right to have expectations regarding who benefits from education lottery funding. If they do win in the process, I’m sure they won’t turn nothing down by their collar (heck, they may choose to pop their collar).

So one can make the argument that playing the lottery is akin to a user fee. You may chop my logic up as outlandish rheteric (gotta love free speech right), but can one truly prove that my logic is undeniably wrong. I’d consider waging a bet on that challenge.

Bests.

td

February 16th, 2012
10:15 pm

Look before I leap…

February 16th, 2012
10:02 pm

I guess it is a matter of the way we see the world and thus the reason I am a conservative and you are a liberal. I do not see that it is the governments job to equal outcomes but to just give everyone equal opportunity. In this case all children have the opportunity to make the grades and get a full scholarship.

I read on the education blog a few weeks ago that stated the number of recipients making, whose parents make over $166, 000 per year, were not significant enough to be able to pay for those books and fees any longer.

The real problem is the cost of a college education has risen at a way higher rate then even inflation and the money available can not keep up with the number of children that are working hard and want to take advantage of the program.

Just Wondering

February 16th, 2012
10:15 pm

@School Digger –

I don’t disagree with your comment. I’m all for kids, all kids, having a chance to advance themselves. Sadly, in our country, we talk “equality”, but we don’t really mean it.

I understand that the beneficiaries of the lottery are high school graduates.

My comment was based on the talk that comes out of “right wing” radio that states that minorities disproportionately spend money on the lottery vs the benefits that the “brown” kids receive.

Will

February 16th, 2012
10:16 pm

Are we interested in closing the achievement gap or just giving more HOPE scholarships to black students. One of those is a very different conversation from the other.
I doubt there are many who want to have a real conversation about the achievement gap and what causes it. Eric Holder suggested that the country was a afraid to have a real conversation about race. Turned out Holder was the coward.

bilbo799

February 16th, 2012
10:17 pm

@ Just Wondering. Two points. First, you’re trying to characterize the lottery as a way for the government to pick winners and losers. When Republicans complain about this, it’s when the government picks winners (recipients/benificiary of public funds) and picks losers (people/taxpayers who put money into public funds but see no corresponding benefit — key point, the government decides who to tax and how much to tax). The thing is, the government is NOT picking the losers here — every lottery player picks himself as a participant. Second, you’re assuming lottery players — when they buy tickets — are purchasing some right to state scholarships. That’s not the case. When you buy that $1 ticket, all you’re paying for (and all buyers know this) is the right to the possibility of lottery winnings. You’re not paying for an entitlement to state scholarships. When you get that lotto ticket, the transaction’s over. If you don’t like that, don’t play the lottery.

td

February 16th, 2012
10:20 pm

CDJ

February 16th, 2012
10:14 pm

I am sorry but I am buying that argument for a minute. For your argument to be true then you would have to make the assumption that if all educational benefits were cut out then no one would play the lottery. Vegas, Atlantic city and all those Indian casinos would be out of business if that was true.

CDJ

February 16th, 2012
10:24 pm

@Centrist-

I have to respectfully disagree with you about tax expenditure not essentially being government spending. What is the difference between the government directly paying Boeing to build a fighter jet versus providing Boeing tax credits equal to the cost of building the fighter jet. In both instances the government is essentially diverting human capital, resources, etc. from the private sector for government services. The government is still paying for that figher jet. If the tax credits did not exist, would Boeing still have built that fighter jet — yea, maybe, but not for the government.

Centrist

February 16th, 2012
10:26 pm

Many people play lotteries because they are poor at math/statistics/odds and payouts. Our family plays the lottery sometimes, even though we know the payback odds are far worse than in a casino. Most of the “profits” go to a worthy cause, as opposed to wealthy Casino owners after their overhead is paid. This was in the AJC last year:

The Georgia Lottery Corp. provided this breakdown: prizes, 63 percent; education, 26 percent; retailers, 7 percent; vendors, 2 percent; advertising/marketing/promotions, 1 percent; operating expenses, 1 percent.

bilbo799

February 16th, 2012
10:28 pm

@ CDJ. Again, your argument makes no sense. IF we assume some people play the lottery because they see it as a way to benefit education only and not to win prizes, that’s not a user fee — that’s a voluntary contribution of money — in other words, that’s a donation. Some right to state education funds is not, and has never been, guaranteed solely because you play the lottery. We all know this.

Centrist

February 16th, 2012
10:35 pm

@ CDJ – Dollar for Dollar tax credits are rare for high income taxpayers and are voluntary. Individuals decide if they wish to “invest” in areas that return some credits (inducements). It is not government spending like direct subsidies. Deductions NEVER result in dollar for dollar, and worth considerably less than most credits.

Your logic is like Democrat Washington speak – when built in spending increases are reduced, they term them as spending “cuts” – even though spending increases (albeit at a lower rate than they would like).

bilbo799

February 16th, 2012
10:38 pm

By the way, if you play the lottery SOLELY because it benefits education, you are an idiot. There are far, far more efficient ways to benefit state education.

Dr. Craig Spinks/ GEORGIANS FOR EDUCATIONAL EXCELLENCE(GEE)

February 16th, 2012
10:44 pm

What are the respective racially-based percentages for the Zell Miller recipients who reside with their mothers and fathers? with their mothers only?

More simply put, does father-presence explain as much or more of the variance in Zell Miller receipt than does race?

CDJ

February 16th, 2012
10:48 pm

@Centrist.

Guess its all semantics in how you view the numbers. And yes, the tax credits and deductions are voluntary, but there’s a reason why you volunteer to capitalize on the benefits — the government’s invisible hand is guiding you. That’s all I’m saying. Doesn’t matter if this is right or wrong in this case. Just calling things for what they are. And I guess Bruce Barlett (who acknowledges these realities) is no longer considered a “true” Republican — since his days orchastrating Reagon’s lauded cut tax-cutting agenda. That is until he raised taxes.

-cj

A concerned Christian

February 16th, 2012
10:55 pm

The reason why politicians run is not to bridge the gap between rich and poor—no; it is to make everyone poor and oppressed—a socialist state when it comes to “wealth re-distribution”—-The movie Gladiator is better theatre representation of globalization of what these master scientist really want to kill off 4 billion people—-eventually a new world order will arise…..one world government—”we have a chance to forge for ourselves for future generations…”A new world order” —a order where not the “laws of the jungle”, but a world where the rule of law conducts the rule of man—-where a credible United Nations —when we are successful “annuit coptis” sons of liberty are successful—and will be…We have a chance at this new world order—-George Herbert Walker Bush Sr state of the union speech 1991…..9/11/1991……revelation 9:11
aside for this topic of wealth redistribution—has it ever occured to anyone that the pentagon was built and celebrated….. 9/11/1949…. http://www.visitingdc.com/virginia/pentagon-history.htm
Hitler is known for the same globalization type of speeches…..here is the logic—–9/11/1991…9/11/2001…9/11/1949 correlation these three dates they are all on the same date revelation 9:11. had it ever occurred to anybody? think about this —the pentagon is really an inverted pentagram of Baphomet—–”do wilt shall do”

Here is a piece of U,S. history for everyone on this blog……Adam Wieskopt founded the grand lodge of the freemasons……George Bush Jr. is 33 degree, barack obama is 32 degree…..there is your top 1%…..Rothchild, Windsor, Bush lineage, astor……..13 original families of the new world order.

Jackee

February 16th, 2012
10:56 pm

If a Negro can carry or catch a football for these slavemaster universities, they will get in.

CDJ

February 16th, 2012
10:59 pm

@bilbo799

One can argue that the world is full of idiots, but the realm of possibility regarding human behavior remains vast. Consider that there are more cost-effective and more efficient ways to provide healthcare in the US — but a large share of Americans prefer the more costly, voluntary private system in its current form. So in this case, there are a lot of idiots waking up and going to sleep each day. Similar to your argument for the lad who plays the lottery because s/he supports education. Both voluntary, neither the most cost-effective approach. Such idiots, right!

Jackee

February 16th, 2012
11:00 pm

As long as they can play ball for ole State U, they will get in no matter their grades.

Just Wondering

February 16th, 2012
11:05 pm

@bilbo799

February 16th, 2012
10:17 pm

You may have signed off for the night. I think we are misunderstanding one another. I do not ascertain that a lottery purchaser is purchasing said ticket with the Hope Scholarship in mind. Matter of fact, “the number” was played underground for a number of years before the government figured out how to get a piece of the pie.

My comment was merely based on what I’ve heard on “right wing” talk radio. Lottery players are often belittled/described as those who can least afford to play, yet, the kids in their communities are rarely recipients.

A government hand-out by any other name is a government hand-out.

honested

February 16th, 2012
11:06 pm

What banter to pretend that an unwillingness to shoulder the burden somehow lessens the costs of a Civilized nation.
The proposed ‘capital producing miracle’ promised with the 2002 tax cuts never worked and there is no reason to continue the pretense……unless the goal is really a permanent underclass increasing the number of those who will work for slave wages to protect the upper class.

A concerned Christian

February 16th, 2012
11:16 pm

To clarify this wealth re-distribution problem—–the only way to kill off 4 billion people is to take all these wealthy peoples’ money so that they cannot claim a dime of their medicare retirements, and they distribute it in the form of free giveaways so that the bears from yellowstone national park I use this as a analogy will keep being fed and keep voting to reelect barack obama…..there is the campaign slogan….what happens when there is no one to collect taxes from to keep feeding the bears……it levels the playing field so there is no wealth gap…….everyone is now poor!!!! This is how the plans for the new world currency will be inflated into the economy if they are successful. Those whom accept the mark of the beast will surely……his number is 666 analogy when was the white house founded……look at your one dollar bills 5-17-1776 —-5+1=6 ……7+1+7=15/6 and the last six fadic numeration.

A concerned Christian

February 16th, 2012
11:36 pm

There is no ideology to what I just said…..’one world government’ plurum urum for those whom speak latin doesn’t have any political parties…….in the book of revelation how does the temple get built for the antichrist……don’t you all go to church…….you read revelation book 9:11…….in the end of days…..satan will rule on GOD’s throne only to cast down with the rest of the government heads when jesus christ reclaims the throne freemasons have trowels for this reason think George Washington……in short, when this new world order takes place there will be no christians and jewish people left instead but Esau or satanists will be left to carry out their new world order in the end of days……..would you be believe I have proof that there is a 4.2 mile underground base now operational under the denver international airport a ‘new world order’ airport…..true tv beside the point……this is a secretive D.U.M.B.S. compound or Deep subterranean underground bases…..Fema scientists really do work in these underground base to check for solar flair activities…….

School Digger

February 16th, 2012
11:42 pm

I think you’re off your meds

Rick Huffman

February 16th, 2012
11:58 pm

The numbers are a telling indicator for a still racist culture here in the South. The south has held onto the racist attitudes and they are seen with the insensitive comments on this article, I grew up here in the South, I was once a racist that sounded just like the comments posted here. I am not proud of that past, but I am proud that I have over come the fog of ignorance and racism. Everyone should have the ability to climb and achieve the highest levels of education, wealth and stature in our society on a level playing field. Our president is a fine example of that opportunity. The numbers here are beyond the likelihood of non qualifiers, it hints of the un spoken good ole boy Georgia way….racism.

A concerned Christian

February 16th, 2012
11:59 pm

Aside from your topic, you got to look at the bigger picture…..this is not only happening here locally in Georgia…President Barack Obama as well as Bill Hemmer has already announced this new world currency……like the Euro it will look similar to our U.S. currency this is what our treasury dept and the IMF have announced….fact. I apologize to Mr. Gallowey for this post, and for my point I was trying to clarify on wealth distribution topic…..think outside the box. May GOD bless us all, and I am done for the night…..Disregard my blogs.

bilbo799

February 17th, 2012
12:02 am

@CDJ. You didn’t respond at all to my response regarding your misunderstanding of what a user fee is and how buying a lottery ticket does not entitle you — morally, politically, legally — to any state education funds. Instead you compared the preference for private insurance to the decision to play the lottery only to support education. That makes no sense for obvious reasons. Assuming everything you say about private insurance is true (which is very, very debatable and many prefer private insurance for constitutional/political reasons that have nothing to do with the cost of individual policies), I never said all people who act inefficiently are idiots — I understand smart people can make inefficient decisions. But if you play the lottery only for education purposes, you must not understand how much lotto money doesn’t go directly to state education and you must be disregarding how simple it is to make direct contributions to state education funds. I think any reasonable, intelligent person understands that you don’t play the lottery SOLELY for educational reasons. I can’t believe you don’t understand that.

bilbo799

February 17th, 2012
12:11 am

@ Just Wondering. I think you’re trying to say that right wingers are hypocrtical because you see them as criticizing government handouts generally but don’t seem to care about the “general handout” funded by the lottery. How is this the HOPE scholarship a government handout? It’s funded generally by people who voluntarily put their money in the fund. Then, the money goes to students who earn it through their GPAs/test scores. In what we think of as government handouts, the government compels taxpayers to fund a program and then the money goes to people who are ENTITLED to the money under law because they are unemployed or poor. So, if you’re wondering why right wingers hate government handouts but (at least some) are OK with HOPE, it’s because HOPE is not anything like the government handouts right wingers hate. You can call HOPE a government handout and talk about hypocrisy, but just understand that your definition of government handout is different from everyone else’s.

A concerned Christian

February 17th, 2012
12:16 am

I understand your topic clearly……and your right, people do not play the lottery for the sole reason for education reasons…….I agree with you completely…..The thing that concerns me the most is that I work and my father are working taxpayers here in Georgia…..My father cannot collect a single dime of what you said his private insurance….because Barack Obama keeps taking it from him…..I understand the equitable wealth distribution issue…..as I said there is two sides to every issue…..you can make direct contributions out of pocket to state education funds….corporations do contribute to the Hope Scholarship Fund. I understand this is a very complex issue! I agree when wealth distribution there is no simple answers. Social upward mobility for our Georgians is a very complex issue….

BIg Hat

February 17th, 2012
12:18 am

To paraphrase and old Southern expression, “Save your back issues of the Thunderbolt, son, ‘cuz the J.B. Stoners of Georgia are gonna rise again!”

Storm Debris

February 17th, 2012
12:21 am

What this shows is that our educational system is failing the citizens of this state. If all kids have access to the same education then these numbers should not be. How about spending that lottery number on teachers and school programs. Then maybe every kid who actually attends school will benefit. Then maybe the overall literacy rate of our citizens will increase.

A concerned Christian

February 17th, 2012
12:30 am

To add to my last comment….I agree with you that deserving students that do not have the funds to pay for college should rewarded based on merit…..But when the government takes money from your parents retirement funds to according to give to the merits of younger americans I can see where you lean on this issue……The only thing I suggest as a possible solution is to raise the funds from people whom can comtribute, but it should not come from retirement benefits as a excise tax…….The reason why I say this is that if you read Brad Delong post….on how the delay of education for the younger america is costing our economy for the next generation 270 billion of GDP….If this were to continue we could be bankrupt and unable to repay the fiscal debt and be have a economic collapse within ten years. But what I was suggest is to have fund raising for every dollar willingly donated to contribute to this fund, so the excise tax is not taken out of your pocket and how the younger generations pockets when you had the opportunity to make your money when you older and doesn’t come out of your retirement—fair enough medicare is not excised for taxes so you can retire yourself –what comes goes around.

A concerned Christian

February 17th, 2012
12:43 am

I made my points I hope this issue has a solution for younger americans whom can all have the opportunities for prosperity…..I do mean everyone……..I do mean everyone I do mean everyone there is no racism here.

jo crazy

February 17th, 2012
12:57 am

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double

February 17th, 2012
1:28 am

Barack Obama reckon he ever smoked PRINCE albert?

tman

February 17th, 2012
3:05 am

All this and I wonder how many did not graduate and dropped out of H.S. I bet that statistic is scary.

A concerned Christian

February 17th, 2012
3:39 am

There is nothing wrong with giving Hope Scholarship money to deserving students from gambling…..there is nothing more to be said on this issue….all of you had good comments.