The goose-gander argument: An, um, invasive test for men in search of Viagra

Janet Howell of Fairfax, Va., may have just qualified for sainthood – among Democratic women, at least.

In a debate in Richmond over a bill to require that women submit to an ultrasound before having an abortion, the state senator proposed a medical hurdle for men in search of Viagra. From the Associated Press:

Howell, D-Fairfax, on Monday expressed her disdain for legislation requiring the ultrasound by proposing an amendment she described as a simple matter of fairness. Her amendment said that before being treated for erectile dysfunction, a man would have to undergo a digital rectal exam and a cardiac stress test.

“We should just have a little gender equity here,” Howell said.
She said if women are going to be subjected to an unnecessary medical procedure, men should be as well.
Sen. Jill Vogel, R-Fauquier and the chief sponsor of the ultrasound bill, countered that erectile dysfunction and pregnancy clearly are not the same.

The Senate rejected the amendment on a mostly party-line 21-19 vote.

Vogel’s bill will be on the calendar for a final Senate vote Tuesday. The legislation would require all women seeking abortions to have an ultrasound image taken to determine the gestational age of the fetus. It says each patient must be given the opportunity to see the image or hear the fetal heartbeat, but not required to do so.

After the ultrasound, women who live less than 100 miles from the medical facility would have to wait at least 24 hours before having the abortion except in the event of a medical emergency. Women who live more than 100 miles away would have to wait only two hours.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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40 comments Add your comment

awesomeness

January 31st, 2012
12:38 pm

Good for her.

Becky

January 31st, 2012
12:40 pm

It’s all very simple people. IF YOU DON’T WANT AN ABORTION DON’T HAVE ONE. geesh.

Ryan Shakur

January 31st, 2012
1:00 pm

dc

January 31st, 2012
1:02 pm

Yeah, because Viagra take a life as well……oh, it doesn’t? Then a man should have to have one before a hang nail surgery. Have to make it fair!!!

What a crock. Still amazes me that, if someone mugs a pregnant woman, and the baby dies from the attack, then the mugger is charged w/ murder. But if the mom wants the baby killed, it’s OK. At lease be honest, and either decide it’s a person or not. And if not, the don’t treat it at all like it is one.

Jerome Horwitz

January 31st, 2012
1:08 pm

Thank you Becky – Don’t think most abortion opponents give a damn about children since they continually reject WIC funding. It’s all about controlling women. As George Carlin said “Republicans love the fetus and hate the baby”. Good for Ms. Howell. Abortion is probably difficult enough – this just rubs it in the women’s face.

awesomeness

January 31st, 2012
1:11 pm

dc – it’s not an inconsistent argument. If a fetus can live outside the womb, a crime against it is usually murder under the law. Roe also specifies that there is a right to abortion before viability, NOT when the baby is able to live on its own. So the standard is the same – viability. If there is viability, then abortion or a crime against the fetus is generally prohibited by law.

awesomeness

January 31st, 2012
1:12 pm

Right on, Jerome…

HR Pufnstuf

January 31st, 2012
1:30 pm

If men could have children, there wouldn’t be a question regarding abortion. It would be legal, hands down, case closed, talk to the hand, keep your hands off my body, etc….

Real Athens

January 31st, 2012
1:38 pm

If men could get pregnant, you could get an abortion at a liquor store.

Slip

January 31st, 2012
1:38 pm

Does Medicare pay for Viagra? If so, certainly should consider necessity for prescription. Plus, if pills prescribed are for recreational as opposed to procreational purposes, wouldn’t denial of the prescription save the lives of all those poor sperm?

Jerome Horwitz

January 31st, 2012
1:38 pm

Lady I used to work with had a quotation on a plaque on her office wall:

“If Men Could Get Pregnant Abortion Would Be A Sacrement”. She is very wise!

Aquagirl

January 31st, 2012
2:00 pm

While we’re at it, let pharmacists grill men about their Viagra prescriptions…is this for use with your biblically approved wife? No? Well, God won’t let me fill your heathen prescription, sinner.

Look before I leap...

January 31st, 2012
2:18 pm

While I get the impetus for Ms Howell’s proposed legislation, I am against it.
I already have the government’s hands in my pocket, I don’t want the government’s finger in my…

Tom

January 31st, 2012
2:20 pm

These are the same people who try to put such onerous licensing requirements on any facility that performs legal abortions so as to make it impossible to meet them.

Tom

January 31st, 2012
2:23 pm

When are we going to start taking punitive actions against God for abortions. After all, He/She/It causes more abortions than all the human abortion providers combined.

James Dobson

January 31st, 2012
2:41 pm

AquaGirl, ICAM

PMC

January 31st, 2012
2:43 pm

This is awesome honestly.

DJ Sniper

January 31st, 2012
3:08 pm

I’m a guy and I love this! It never ceased to amaze me how these right wing idiots are always going on and on about smaller government, yet they have no problem intruding into women’s health and reproductive issues.

COBBIT

January 31st, 2012
3:30 pm

Just wait for Obamacare…no one will get treatment.

Lori

January 31st, 2012
3:33 pm

Not saying I agree or disagree with mandatory ultrasounds, but is there another, less invasive way to determine the exact gestational age of the fetus? Sure, a woman could say the fetus was only 8 weeks, but some women don’t “show” until they are 6 months pregnant, and a 6 month fetus can be viable and live outside the womb. So how is the medical personnel performing the abortion to be sure that they aren’t destroying a viable fetus?

wellabovenormal

January 31st, 2012
3:48 pm

How funny that the same people who worry about Sharia law want to impose, albeit under another name, it on Americans.

Standford

January 31st, 2012
3:48 pm

Right! You women should just do what Rick Santorum said and what the republicans told you with their latest flurry of legislation – If you are raped and get pregnant it’s a gift from god! Enjoy!

GaBlue

January 31st, 2012
3:51 pm

Aquagirl @ 2:00,

STANDING OVATION.

Yes, men seeking these types of medications are defying God’s plan, aren’t they? Maybe God WANTS men to be…. less able after a certain age, so they can devote their time to something else God has planned. (Like mentoring poor fatherless children in their communities, instead of complaining about what it costs taxpayers to provide them with a subsidized tray of industrialized garbage they call “lunch,” perhaps?) Otherwise, God would not allowed it to happen, right?

Makes just as much sense as demanding a woman carry an unwanted pregnancy to term! Don’t be SELFISH, gentlemen! It’s God’s will!

freddy

January 31st, 2012
3:58 pm

Another example of GOP nuts. sounds like they are trying to scare women into not having it done. Talk about intrusive, psychological torture and totally unnecessary procedures. Name two things that are a farce… GOP and Religion

Standford

January 31st, 2012
4:01 pm

BTW Jim, it’s not just women Democrats – Rich republican women have always had a choice, even before Roe v Wade. But for them – it was called a D & C.

I suspect rich women will still have a choice no matter what their T-Bagging congressmen do.

Old timer

January 31st, 2012
4:25 pm

It all is really ok….my husband could not have a vasectomy till I signed a consent form….

MrK

January 31st, 2012
5:09 pm

Gods will? Really? Do you believe in the tooth fairy too? Regardless IT OK because nothing I say or do or believe has an impact on you. Let people that want abortions have them and for the people that don want them… DONT. Stop forcing your crap on other people. Let it just be “gods will”.

The Anti-Wooten

January 31st, 2012
5:26 pm

My solution to the entire abortion argument:

Have a national referendum on women’s choice. Those that vote against it go on one registry. If women’s choice is outlawed and women that would have otherwise have chosen to have an abortion may decide after carrying to term whether to give the child up for adoption. If adoption is chosen, you begin with the first name on the list and and they have 24 hours to pick up the newborn child and care for it as their own. The person from the list is also obligated to fund the prenatal and medical care, livelihood and upkeep of the woman until birth. Unlike the military draft there would be very, very few exceptions such as being over the age of 70, convicted sexual predators of children, lepers and a few other extreme situations. Exceptions would be statutorily cast in stone and waivers granted only under the most extreme of circumstances. If you get to the end of the list you start over at A. In this way, those that declare that they only want to help the children would have the opportunity to show their sincerity not just their ideology.

Cruzman

January 31st, 2012
6:02 pm

There is a difference. Viagra gives life; abortion takes life.

nyer in ga

January 31st, 2012
6:18 pm

once in a hr benefits meeting, i asked why is my contraceptive not covered but viagra was… those old fogies in the room werent too happy

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will crush the heads of the perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions

January 31st, 2012
6:20 pm

http://www.ajc.com/news/henry/hit-run-crash-takes-1320325.html

If you think I’m turning this driver over to the police, you’ve got another thing coming. I understand why the driver of the Ford is facing a charge of hit-and –run, but can anyone tell me why is he being charged with second-degree feticide?

As far as I’m concerned, you are on your own with this one Mr. hypocritical Law Enforcement.

Amen?

Leigh

January 31st, 2012
6:32 pm

The only people who should be writing legislation and voting on legislation regarding female reproductive issues are WOMEN… If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament and they would have 24hr drive up windows for it!
NO woman would want an invasive procedure like an abortion for fun. It’s a very personal decision and should be left up to the WOMAN to decide.
Why aren’t all these Pro-Life Christian Terrorists adopting the nearly 1 million+ children who are in foster care? Perhaps if they spent less time legislating uteruses, stalking and murdering physicians, and fire-bombing clinics and actually PRACTICED pro-life policies, the world would be a better place.

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will crush the heads of the perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions

January 31st, 2012
6:47 pm

Oh I see… If we had just murdered via abortion the million children in Foster Homes around the country, especially African American, this problem would be solved today and the world would be a better place.

I believe we should always choose life and let live; especially if it is innocent and free of sin.

Amen?

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will crush the heads of the perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions

January 31st, 2012
7:55 pm

Perhaps you are a woman and this perverted world convinced you to murder your baby via abortion. Undoubtedly, it is a tremendous burden to bear. For the rest of your life, you will have to convince yourself that the baby living in your womb was not a person. And to protect yourself psychologically, you opt to suspend reality instead of admitting that you’ve committed our right murder.

I’m here to testify this evening that all is not lost, Hallelujah! Run swiftly to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and He will forgive all of your sins, and give you Peace, and you’ll find rest for your soul, Hallelujah!

A woman who sins by having several abortions is able and qualified through transformation to save thousands of sin-sick souls from error. Just think on that blessed day when we all must face our maker, God Almighty.

Undoubtedly “the accuser” will rightly charge us with our sins, but how blessed it would be to point to the thousands of souls that you assisted in making the right choices, especially The Right to Life, after having been transformed.

Amen?

Bootnewt

January 31st, 2012
9:26 pm

STANDING OVULATION!! ;)

Big Hat

January 31st, 2012
10:59 pm

Sounds like “Electile Dysfunction”

Old School

February 1st, 2012
8:11 am

If men could have children then childcare would be a priority and childcare workers would earn a decent living and education would be a priority and the rising cost of food would never be taxed and contraception would be covered by healthcare and part-time employees would have access to healthcare AND they would work a 15 hour week so that they could juggle all of the responsibilities of helping their children with homework, volunteering at their children’s school, taking care of elderly parents, plus caring for the needs of the sick & the infirmed in their congregations PLUS taking meals to the grieving and remembering everyone’s birthdays, and don’t forget feeding not only their own family but those in their community AND finding the time to be an advocate against governmental actions which split up their neighborhoods by closing neighborhood schools….on and on and on……having & taking care of children (yourself/personally/with your own time, money & energy) makes you see the world differently & makes you appreciate all the people who do care for children & not just fetuses. To OUR LORD & SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST WILL CRUSH…..maybe you should WALK the TALK instead of TALKING THE TALK!!!!!

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will crush the heads of the perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions

February 1st, 2012
11:51 am

It is impossible to say the things that I say and do the things that I’ve done and not have walked the walk… Men can’t birth children into the world….so we can forget about that babble…

I will say the identical thing to you that I say to childish integrationist African American men and women almost on a daily basis. If you are dissatisfied with this world, absolutely nothing is preventing you from building one of your own. It is impossible to change a world to your liking that you have no control over and didn’t construct.

If men, specifically white men, were able to build a world of their liking, I’m sure black men can too. And if women, black, white, and otherwise, are not satisfied with this world, absolutely nothing is preventing them from constructing one of their own.

Amen?

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will crush the heads of the perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions

February 1st, 2012
1:59 pm

The only thing integrationist African American consumers will do is whine and complain about the direction Caucasian producers are taking. Consider Don Cornelius, he misled the masses of African American for years. Like integrationist African American leaders, he promoted integration, homosexuality, miscegeny, a woman’s right to choose, just to name a few, for the Powers that Be in exchange for money, fame, status, plush jobs, materialism etc.

As soon as the Powers that Be decided that he, like the vast majority of African Americans, has no value to them, and refused to give him money or work, the coward put a gun to his head and pulled the trigger. He could not face the real world like the 30 million African Americans living hand to mouth throughout the nation as a result of having been betrayed by him and others.

I pray that God Almighty will put in the producers heart and mind to change directions and refuse to provide the goods and services that integrationist African American leaders need to survive on earth. Like Don Cornelius, they deserve exactly what they would get.

Amen?

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will crush the heads of the perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions

February 1st, 2012
2:13 pm

As we speak, pro abortionist Reverend Al Sharpton is on the radio misleading blacks, complaining and whining, about why producers are always talking about black women killing their babies. Not to mention that African American women have murdered via abortion over half the babies they should have birthed since 1973 Roe vs. Wade.

Just think about it. If producers were focusing primarily on the ills of white women having abortions, pro abortionist Reverend Al Sharpton would be on the radio misleading blacks, complaining and whining because nobody is focusing on black women killing their babies…since 1973 Roe vs. Wade.

If the hypocrisy is exposed, he will mislead gullible integrationist African Americans by saying that all of this is a result of post traumatic slavery syndrome.

Amen?