Democrats, including the attorney representing President Barack Obama, have made a last-minute decision to boycott the Thursday hearing to consider a “birther” effort to remove Obama from the March 6 presidential primary ballot.
“They can tilt at windmills on their own,” said state Democratic spokesman Eric Gray on Wednesday night.
Last week, in a surprise ruling, a Georgia state administrative judge declined to quash a subpoena directing Obama to attend a hearing Thursday at the Fulton County courthouse on a challenge to strike him from the Georgia ballot this fall on claims he is not a natural born U.S. citizen. Read more background here from my AJC colleague Bill Rankin.
Among tomorrow’s no-shows will be Michael Jablonski, the Atlanta attorney serving as counsel to Obama. He’s written a letter to Secretary of State Brian Kemp, a Republican, asking him to intervene and bring the circus to a halt.
Among those pressing the action is state Rep. Mark Hatfield, R-Waycross. But many ranking Republicans are doing their best to keep their distance.
Here’s the statement just released by Mike Berlon, chairman of the state Democratic party:
“Several lawsuits were recently filed against President Obama questioning whether he is an American citizen in an attempt to remove him from the Georgia primary ballot. Despite the fact that these issues have been thoroughly litigated, a hearing has been scheduled in these cases for Thursday, January 26, 2012. The Democratic Party of Georgia is not a party to any of these lawsuits.
“This afternoon we received a letter from counsel for the President directed to the Georgia Secretary of State asking him to intervene in these lawsuits and bring them to a halt, because it is well established that there is no issue here – a fact validated time and again by courts in this country.
“In the letter, counsel also indicated that they had no interest in continuing to appear or participate further in the litigation and have suspended their involvement.
“We respect the President’s position and urge the Secretary of State to bring this matter to a conclusion. We also believe that each political party has the absolute legal right to determine who should appear on their primary and general election ballots according to their own rules without interference from outside parties.
“In light of these developments the Democratic Party of Georgia has no plans to continue to be involved in these baseless cases. Furthermore the Democratic Party of Georgia will cooperate with the President and his campaign in any way requested to make sure that his name appears on the primary and general election ballots for 2012.”
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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552 comments Add your comment
Didi
January 26th, 2012
1:29 pm
The birthers are wasting taxpayer time and money!!! Obama is a U.S. Citizen! As much as you may hate to admit it, he was born in the USA! He is also going to win another term — deal with it!
Carol
January 26th, 2012
1:30 pm
GA Proud
To all the the posters here who are offering fact based, rational and well reasoned arguments to the tin-foil hat wearing, birther, dingbats here…
I humbly recommend we take a cue from the Obama legal team and just quietly exit the room and leave them to their hate-driven insanity.
If this all they have come November, Obama will not be needing to update his resume for another 5 years.
++++++++
Amen!
Ace
January 26th, 2012
1:31 pm
The bottom line is this, if you don’t want to vote for President Obama, then don’t. I think leaving him off the ballot in GA is silly, because he didn’t win the state of GA four years ago and he is STILL the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
Didi
January 26th, 2012
1:31 pm
@ Patman: I {heart} you!!!!!
Keith Turner
January 26th, 2012
1:39 pm
York.. you are referring to NATIVE Born citizens again.
Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 21 Wall. 162 (1874)
Context: Issue was whether, “since the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, a woman who is a citizen of the United States and of the State of Missouri is a voter in that state notwithstanding the provision of the constitution and laws of the state which confine the right of suffrage to men alone.”
Quotes:
Additions might always be made to the citizenship of the United States in two ways: first, by birth, and second, by naturalization. This is apparent from the Constitution itself, for it provides that
“No person except a natural-born citizen or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution shall be eligible to the office of President,
Keith Turner
January 26th, 2012
1:42 pm
Carol:
Your question….
“Are you for real? So you’re saying that if an American businessman goes to China. Marries a Chinese woman. They come to American for her to have the child. She later becomes a U.S. citizen. That child can then never become the POTUS?”
Yes. That is exactly right.
If BOTH parentS are not citizenS at the time of the child’s birth, then the child would not be eligble to becom the President.
WAR EAGLE
January 26th, 2012
1:44 pm
One big mistake-1960’s birth certificates were written by hand and not dot matrix printers. The certificate he produced can be done by anyone. You go in, give your info and they print one for you. I’d like to see the hospital and the raised seal which they have in the lower right hand corner of birth certificates. Obama’s is a fake. His parents were not citizens- the father was a kenyan and the mother was a us Traitor-plus- miscegnation was not approved at that time so barack’s parents were not legally married, which makes him- you guessed it! And he continues to be one. This experiment by the Dems is another one of their failures- next to Jimmy.
PAC
January 26th, 2012
1:44 pm
The good news………whether he’s on or off the GA ballot in November, GA will be a red state at the end of the night.
The REALLY good news………… the commuity organizer is out of the big house in 360 days and the grown ups can get this country moving again.
KBB
January 26th, 2012
1:59 pm
“grownups” like Mitt Romney and Newt? LOL
Thats the best the GOP can do? Mitt n’ Newt!!!!
KBB
January 26th, 2012
2:01 pm
The “community organizer” was merely a senator when he was elected. Mitt WAS a governor 5 years ago and god ole’ Newton hasn’t held office since the 90s!!!!!!
Hilarious
gg
January 26th, 2012
2:10 pm
I’m with @Ace. Well said!
js
January 26th, 2012
2:23 pm
if america is a nation of laws, then this fiasco is more than justified…this case has not been litigated in any courtroom in this country…it has continuously been dismissed for technical reasons and has yet to see its day in court….so many of you discount the judicial systems ability to follow the law…
if obama is truely qualified…let him stand up in court and make it known…but for the last 3 years…he has done nothing but inflame the issue by not culling the elephant in the middle of the room…
its time that the truth hits the fan instead of dung…let the truth do what it and only it can do…and be done with this all!!
KBB
January 26th, 2012
2:43 pm
Js if he entertains this nonsense that opens him up to have to appear in every kangaroo court in every backwoods town in every Red State. The disrespect of this sitting president is way worse than any president has ever have to endure. This display just seems like a petty passive aggressive way to annoy the president rather than some patriotic act of justice.
techengineer
January 26th, 2012
2:50 pm
Why does this President think that he is above the Law of this Nation? I say trow his pathetic ass in jail for contempt!
PAC
January 26th, 2012
2:56 pm
KBB – The disrespect of this sitting president is way worse than any president has ever have to endure.
We’ve never had a sitting President this incompetent!!! It’s time to move on. Through his failed policies, the country is now 5 trillion dollars deeper in debt and we’re no better off economically than we were 3 years ago. “Hope and Change” and “Change you can Believe in” apparently don’t pay the bills.
Solomon
January 26th, 2012
2:59 pm
Be honest folks, no sitting President would personally attend a hearing ordered by a State Administrative Judge–especially not for a case that lacks merit and is purely politically motivated. The President has already presented copies of his short and long form birth certificate and the State of Hawaii has verified their authenticity. And as if the aforementioned documents are not enough, the plaintiff has the gall to request copies of the President’s late mother’s health records from 1961. How absurd! The Audacity of Dopes never ceases to amaze me!
Chris A.
January 26th, 2012
3:03 pm
This issue is DEAD. It’s ALREADY been settled in several courts of law. OBAMA IS A U.S. CITIZEN, I AM A GEORGIA CITIZEN, AND I AM ***FURIOUS*** OVER THE LOCAL GOP’S ATTEMPT TO INTERFERE WITH MY RIGHT TO CHOOSE TO VOTE FOR HIM! But excuse me, I’m a woman, so I’m not supposed to trouble my lil’ head with voting anyway, right? I’m just supposed to stay in the kitchen and birth babies, and do what my husband tells me to do. You know, if the GOP could come up with a decent candidate who actually represents the majority of conservatives out there (seeing as how all their current candidates are extremists), they (or their flunkies) wouldn’t have to resort to attempts to engineer the laws and the election.
yuzeyurbrane
January 26th, 2012
3:03 pm
I read that Mitt’s dad was a natural born Mexican citizen and that Mexico recognizes the Mexican citizenship of all his children, including Mitt. I guess that only Newt, Ron and Rick are left. But do we know about Newt’s biological dad? Or should Rick lose his citizenship because his grandpa, who had been an active Communist in Italy, lied on his immigration papers about that?
techengineer
January 26th, 2012
3:04 pm
Solomon
Yes he did and they were shown to be phony. Everything about the man is a lie. We know nothing about him. His lawyers have been buying off Judges since the day he came to power. It’s time for the imposter to be exposed for the criminal that he is..
I say deport him now!
techengineer
January 26th, 2012
3:07 pm
Chris A.: Well you have to admit that the Nation was a lot better off back when women were well doing what women are suppose to do?
I mean the Founders didn’t allow women to vote for a reason you know.. They were extremely wise men.
Take care of your little ones, cook for your man, make the world a better place by it and let the men take care of politics.
And don’t forget to put on some make up from time to time..
Ms. Cris Ericson
January 26th, 2012
3:21 pm
Enter your comments hereSTATES WITH THE NEW
NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE LAW
SHOULD BE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT
THE PRESIDENT OBAMA ELIGIBILITY CASE
JANUARY 26, 2012.
Vermont, is a state which is violating
the U.S. Constitutional rights of its voters by “giving away”
our Electoral College votes to whomever gets the highest
number of votes nationwide,
rather than the highest number
of votes in Vermont.
The new Vermont law is called
National Popular Vote.
Doesn’t that give every Vermont voter
legal standing to be concerned about WHO gets on the ballot
for President in every other state for the primary and general
elections?
President Barack Hussein Obama presented his first birth certificate
to the American public on factcheck.org,
and on it, in the lower right hand corner,
in tiny print, are H.R.S. codes,
which are Hawaii Revised Statutes
that prove the certificate was altered and/or amended.
What was it altered and/or amended from?
Why are the ultra super rich 1% treated differently under the law, as compared
to how disrespectfully, and sometimes even hatefully, the lower 99% are treated?
PROPOSED CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT AGAINST PRESIDENT
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA FOR FRAUDULENT
CONCEALMENT OF FACTS
PROPOSED:
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CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT
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AGAINST
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PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
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FOR
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FRAUDULENT CONCEALMENT OF MATERIAL FACTS THAT HE ALLEGEDLY HAS A DUTY TO PROVIDE
VOTERS BECAUSE HIS “CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH” SHOWS THIS LEGAL NOTICE IN TINY
PRINT IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER:
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“[HRS 338-13(b), 338-19].
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l DUTY is required by the legal notice on his
“Certification of Live Birth” which, in the lower right hand corner, in tiny
fine print, states: [HRS 338-13(b), 338-19].
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Was it fraud in a fiduciary capacity against taxpayers and voters for each and
every member of the United States Congress on January 8, 2009 to vote without
first issuing a subpoena for Barack Hussein Obama’s original long form birth
certificate? Isn’t it true that Federal Rules of Evidence prohibit the members
of the United States Congress, both House and Senate, from relying on
non-admissible hearsay?
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Was the Congressional certification of Electoral College Votes on January 8,
2009 an act of conspiracy to defraud voters and taxpayers
because former Vice President Dick Cheney asked for members of Congress to vote
without informed consent, and this resulted in an alleged possible conspiracy to
issue forth certified votes as fraudulent conveyances?
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28 USCS Section 1491 Claims against the United States.
http://ucfc.uscourts.gov/
Federal Claims Court
http://uscode.house.gov/
Online law library
28 USCS
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Chapter 91. United States Court of Federal Claims
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Section 1491. Claims against United States generally
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(a)(1) The United States Court of Federal Claims shall have jurisdiction to
render judgment upon any claim against the United States founded either upon the
Constitution [USCS, Constitution], or any Act of Congress or any regulation of
an executive department, or upon any express or implied contract with the United
States.
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(2) To provide an entire remedy and to complete the relief afforded by the
judgment, the court may, as an incident of and collateral to any such judgment,
issue orders directing restoration to office or position, placement in
appropriate duty or retirement status, and correction of applicable records, and
such orders may be issued to any appropriate official of the United States. In
any case within its jurisdiction, the Court shall have the power to remand
appropriate matters to any administrative or executive body or official with
such direction as it may deem proper and just.
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“Court of Federal Claims is Article I Court of limited jurisdiction created by
Congress as forum where private parties could sue government for non-tort money
claims, where claims would otherwise be barred by sovereign immunity.” Slovacek
v United States (1998) 40 Fed Cl 828, 98-1 USTC 50397, 81 AFTR 2d 98-1859.
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“Congress created Court of Federal Claims to afford individuals forum to bring
specific claims against government; while placing jurisdictional limits upon
Court, Congress did not intend those jurisdictional limits to be manipulated to
prevent claimant from recovering compensation against government.” Davis v
United States (1996) 35 Fed Cl 392.
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“Jurisdiction under 28 USCS Section 1491 applies only to contracts either
express or implied in fact, not implied in law, where (1) agreement implied in
fact is founded upon meeting of minds, which, although not embodied in express
contract, is inferred from conduct of parties showing their tacit understanding,
while (2) by contrast, agreement implied in law is fiction of law where promise
is imputed to perform legal duty.” Hercules Inc. v United States (1996, US) 134
L Ed 2d 47, 116 S Ct 981, 96 CDOS 1403, 96 Daily Journal DAR 2395, 40 CCF 76894,
9 FLW Fed S 442.
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“HRS 338-19″, on President Obama’s Certification of Live Birth, in tiny fine
print in the lower right hand corner [HRS 338-13(b), 338-19] is a legal notice
of Hawaii Revised Statute 338-19 which means that this Certificate of Live Birth
is based on documents that were too old or otherwise in such condition that they
could not be used to certify. This statute is contradictory because if the
documents were too old or in too poor a condition to be used to certify, then
why did the State of Hawaii issue a “copy” that was based on possibly
non-legible material? It makes no common sense. The Statute is contradictory,
overly vague, overly broad and therefore unconstitutional.
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HRS 338-13(b) is subject to the requirements of HRS 338-16, HRS 338-17 and HRS
338-18. These are for birth certificates that are issued one year or more after
birth, and for certificates that have been altered, and/or both. This set of
statutes also gives a party legal standing to request a judicial determination
of the validity of the birth certificate because it was issued one year or more
after birth and/or altered.
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“Court of Federal Claims lacks jurisdiction to hear claims against States or
their Agencies except where States or their Agencies acted as agents of United
States.” Hassan v United States (1998) 41 Fed CL 149.
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Clearly, the State of Hawaii and the Agency of the Department of Health of
Hawaii, have acted as agents of former Vice President Dick Cheney, Speaker of
the House of Representatives in the United States Congress, Nancy Pelosi, and
each and every member of the United States Congress, House and Senate, and
President Barack Hussein Obama.
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28 USCS Section 2680. “Plaintiff’s federal tort claim against government is not
dismissed prior to discovery on grounds that discretionary function exception of
28 USCS Section 2680(a) applied, because factual issues and evidence to support
those issues are not presently known to plaintiff, and dismissal of action prior
to discovery would be premature and unduly harsh.” Fanoele v United States
(1995, DC Kan) 898 F Supp 822.
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(1) The United States Congress failed to do their duty to obtain any long form
birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama before certifying the Electoral
College Votes.
(2) Former Vice President Dick Cheney failed to do his duty to ask for
objections to the Electoral College vote.
(3) President Barack Hussein Obama has failed to do his duty to release the
information upon which statutes HRS 338-13(b) {which is subject to the
requirements of 338-16, 338-17, 338-18} and 338-19 were legally required to be
noticed on his “Certification of Live Birth”.
(4) The United States Court of Federal Claims now has legal jurisdiction to hear
complaints seeking President Barack Hussein Obama’s status as a natural born
citizen because all of the Judges and Justices in State and Federal Courts,
including the Supreme Court of the United States, dismissed and/or denied
complaints where previous plaintiffs have tried various motions to compel Barack
Hussein Obama’s original long form birth certificate and all other underlying
documents supporting the legal notice on his short form Certification of Live
Birth, including three legal notices on that form: (1) Date of Birth August 4,
1961, Date filed with Registrar August 8, 1961; (2) [HRS 338-13(b), 338-19]; (3)
(Rev. 11/01) LASER
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The third legal notice on President Barack Hussein Obama’s Certification of Live
Birth states (Rev. 11/01) LASER.
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Barack Hussein Obama received this “Certification of Live Birth” after he was
already 40 years old.
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What took him so long?
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Why did he receive this “Certification of Live Birth” which was issued when he
was 40 years old, or older, after September 11, 2001, the Terrorist Attack on
the United States of America? Where was he living during the Terrorist Attack on
the United States of America and why did he need to get a “Certification of Live
Birth” after the attack, and how much was it altered from the original long form
birth certificate?
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WE, the PEOPLE, NEED TO KNOW!
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President Barack Hussein Obama holds the Office of the President of the United
States of America, and his “Certification of Live Birth” should now be required
to be determined if it can, or can not, withstand federal scrutiny. 28 USCS Appx
Rule 803, n 119. United States Code Service, Lawyers Edition, Issued in May
1998, Rules of Evidence for United States Courts and Magistrates, page 216,
“District Court did not abuse its discretion in applying Federal Rules of
Evidence rather than Hawaii Health Department rules and in finding results of
intoxilizer test admissible under public records and reports exception to
hearsay rule of Rule 803(6)(8), United States v De Water (1988, CA9 Hawaii) 846
F2d 528, 25 Fed Rules Evid Serv 748.”
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THIS PROPOSED
Class Action Lawsuit to subpoena the material facts, the original material
upon which the legal notice on the long form
birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama was based,
in the United States Court of Federal
Claims,
needs
a Pro Bono attorney.
President Obama should be treated with Equal
Respect, the same as any other possible
illegal alien.
In other words, shall we give
every alleged illegal
alien Equal Treatment Under the Law, the
same as if they were sitting in the White House?
EGM
January 26th, 2012
3:21 pm
Those that respond to this legislation by calling the GA GOP hicks etc, need to either leave Georgia or stop acting like uneducated fools. If this case has no legality to it, it will get defeated. The only ones making rascist statements here are Obama supporters. So who are the rascists?
Ms. Cris Ericson
January 26th, 2012
3:22 pm
OBAMA SOAP OPERA 2012
Quest to find the concealed details about President Barack Hussein
Obama’s birth,
as proven by the first birth certificate he released through factcheck.org
which shows,
in tiny print,
clearly in the right hand lower corner,
H.R.S. codes,
which are Hawaii Revised Statutes that prove the
original birth certificate was legally
(under Hawaii Laws)
amended and/or altered?
The “Birthers” are still trying to find
out what facts were amended and/or altered.
They won’t give up
because they love a mystery and they love human drama.
The first with the real facts will be panting on movie
producers’ doorsteps!
Obama Soap Opera and/or Movie Script
Episode One:
Mr. Stanley Dunham went to a Black (then known as “Negro”)
bar in an area with prostitution.
If Mr. Stanley Dunham got a Black (”Negro”) woman pregnant,
then it is possible
that he then asked his teenage daughter, Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham,
to pretend to be
the baby’s mother,
(rather than what she really was, his half sister)
to save his marriage.
The prostitute turned her baby over to
Mr. Stanley Dunham, who handed it over to his daughter.
Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham’s friend, Barack Obama Sr. from Kenya,
needed to extend his student visa
and would willingly marry her,
knowing that he was already married in Kenya
and she could
annul the marriage when it was convenient to her.
In 1961, Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham, and/or her parents,
might have felt that an “African”
identity for baby Obama,
would be better than “Negro”,
which was the term at the time.
After Obama’s birth, Barack Obama Sr.
went to Harvard and dated other women, before
returning to his first wife and family in Kenya.
Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham, during the course of her career, left young
Obama with her parents in Hawaii for years at a time,
an act that is more like a half sister than a mother.
Episode Two:
Frank Marshall Davis, a Black Communist, and poet, left
Chicago for Hawaii but he might have stopped over in
Seattle, Washington for a few weeks, and
he might be Obama’s real father.
The Dunham family,
Stanley and his wife Madelyn, and daughter, Stanley Ann, moved from
Seattle, Washington to Hawaii late in the summer of 1960
after she finished high school.
They might have been trying to
get her as far away as possible from her “Negro” boyfriend,
and if they knew she was already pregnant, then they might
have felt that a “mixed race” baby would be more acceptable
among Hawaiins with darker skin.
If Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham became pregnant in Seattle,
then Obama could have been born earlier than Aug. 4, 1961,
accounting for Ms. Stanley Ann’s ability to return to college
in Seattle in August, 1961.
The first birth certificate that
Obama released to the public has H.R.S. codes in the
right hand corner in tiny print that show it was altered and
or amended. The birthdate may have been altered and/or
amended so that it would not appear that she was already
pregnant before her fake marriage to Barack Obama, Sr.
Episode Three:
Either Mr. Stanley Dunham or Frank Marshall Davis are
the most likely men to be the real father of
President Barack Hussein Obama, but he was shuffled around
in childhood from Hawaii to Indonesia and back to Hawaii,
and he is now rootless and ruthless. The only place Obama
has ever really felt truly at home is in the White House.
President Obama is running for his second and final term in
office, and he knows that people will forgive him for waving his
false flags of amended and/or altered birth certificates showing
his father was from Kenya, which is not likely to be the truth,
if only he can bring tears to their eyes.
After all, many chidren in the United States of America are born
with family secrets disguising the truth of their real parentage.
President Obama gets together with his team 2012 advisors
and dreams up ways to take surveys to determine which
“father” figure is most likely to get him elected this time.
UnReal
January 26th, 2012
3:25 pm
It does not matter. He will win four more years regardless. If you think I am a dem you wrong. This has got to be the sadest set of candidates ever. Wake me up in about five years.
Caught at Last
January 26th, 2012
3:32 pm
Reading a lot of these posts indicate the race card is being used. It isn’t working!!
The really sad parts of this whole scenario is that the first black person elected to POTUS has fradulently gained entry to this position. So many black Americans looked up to him along with many other people of color. The other sad part of this is his children. They will go through life knowing that their parents were found to be frauds, liars and crooks. What a wonderful legacy to leave your children with. The Obama’s have no conscience for anything but their own gain and no respect for even their children. Sad, just sad.
Within time, this will come out and those that are co conspirators to this fraud on America and will be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.
Sorry Folks
al wile
January 26th, 2012
3:33 pm
When I see a real birth certificate and records from his universites of attendance and maybe a high school picture or prom picture or pictures of the political groups he was affilitaeed with while in school or ANYTHING that justifies him being an American I’ll lay off. Can you imagine the first words out of his mouth the first night in our White House “Honey, can you believe this: I am the President of the United States and not even a citizen, what a country of fools.”
Chuckles
January 26th, 2012
3:40 pm
Dear Nathanael,
My apologies, you are correct, there is no default judgement.
Furthermore, there really is no need to produce the birth certificate in court, because the plaintiffs lose the case on the first page of Donofrio’s brief in the Statement of Facts:
“This brief assumes President Obama was born in the State of Hawaii, on Aug 4, 1961.”
Why bother showing up when the plaintiff just admitted as fact what he wants you to prove?
Mary Danforth
January 26th, 2012
3:51 pm
One word. STUPID !!!!
York
January 26th, 2012
4:34 pm
Keith
the Congressional Research Service has pointedly stated what Natural Born Citizen means based upon its research. Further the issue has been presented to the USSupreme Ct more than once and they declined to hear it. When SCOTUS declines to hear a case it means there is not an issue that would need to be decided. That means the CRS meaning of NBC is correct – not yours.
“The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term natural born citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship by birth or at birth, either by being born in the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship at birth.”
Keith Turner
January 26th, 2012
4:37 pm
Chris A. and Chickles,
The two of you are ieither illiterate or just choose to ignore what the suit/challenge is about.
I’ll repeate if for you, that itis not about where he was born but more about the status of the citizenship of his father.
I’ve copied/pasted my previous comment here to clarify this for you.
Also, please note that the Georgia GOP is not a party to the suit as they did not bring the challenge.
It is amazing to me how many folks just will not read .
The Democratic Party of Georgia is lying to mislead and manipulate the voters about what the question/challenge is.
This suit has absolutely nothing to do with where Obama was born.
It has nothing to do with whehter he is an “American Citizen” or not.
The suit is soley based on which Citizenship Category he is in.
There are three categories of American Citizenship
NATURAL Born Citizen
Native Citizen
Naturalized Citizen
Whichever of these categories someone may be in, they are an American Citizen.
This lawsuit does not dispute or challenge that Barack Obama is an American Citizen.
However, the US Constitution states the the President must be NATURAL Born Citizen.
Not a Native Citizen and not a Naturalized Citizen, but a NATURAL Born Citizen.
Get it?
A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!
So then, the fist question is “what is a NATURAL Born Citizen”?
And the second question is “is Barack Obama a NATURAL Born Citizen”?
A NATURAL Born Citizen is …”a child who is born to parentS who are both citizenS”.
Were both of Barak Obama’s parentS citizenS?
According to Barack Obama, in 1961 when Barack was born, his his father was a Kenyan CItizen.
At that time Kenya was British Protectorate.
Thus Barak Obama’s fatehr was British subject or citizen and not an AMERICAN Citizen.
Since both of Barack Obama’s parentS were not citizenS, Barack Obama is NOT a NATURAL Born Citizen and according to the US Constitution, he is ineligible to be President of the United States of America.
Because he is inelgible to be President, his name should not appear on the ballot.
Sue
January 26th, 2012
5:00 pm
Seriously? Obama, after all, release his birth certificate, back when Donald “I wipe my butt with dollar bills, you peasants” Trump raised a fuss about it. Are you STILL stuck on that, like you all can’t find nothing better to rake him through the mud with, that you’re trying to rig an election with red tape?
Seriously, get over it already. He’s a citizen, and this fine state would be holding up elections, simply because you folks wouldn’t want the African Americans (which we have a high population ratio of) to vote for him again. That’s what this is, too. Clear as crystal.
You all are racists and need a IQ test.
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Tina
January 26th, 2012
5:18 pm
WOW, for those of you accusing the GOP, get your facts straight, these are private citizens that filed these lawsuits.
Keith Turner
January 26th, 2012
5:41 pm
Sue, please try to follow along.
This is not about where he was born.
Robin
January 26th, 2012
5:47 pm
Based on what I have read and heard about this matter…
The Supreme Court produced a clear definition of a ‘natural born’ citizen some time ago to answer to requirements of a suit that required the definition.
According to this definition, having nothing to do with Hawaii but I think with Obama’s father’s nationality, I think reasonable, level-headed people, are finding that Obama does not meet this definition. This is a newly presented issue; not the old ‘birther’ certificate issue.
Several of the previous comments seem to have been posted by people screaming ‘racist’, ‘birther’, etc. Please consider that, if Obama is truly not qualified for the office on the basis of a definition set forth by the Supreme Court, anything he signs into law could be challenged for the foreseeable future.
This is a significant issue; not to be dismissed by those who have not delved into the premise for this challenge. [sorry if I have offended any of the products of our public school system - American and Imbecile are becoming synonomous]
Chuckles
January 26th, 2012
6:30 pm
Dear Keith,
I do understand the argument. To be clear: Taitz and Donofrio argue that being born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction is not sufficient to qualify for the office of president or vice president of the United States. They argue that both parents must also be citizens in order to meet the “natural born” criteria mentioned in Article II.
In other words, they would say that the subject of the landmark Supreme Court case, Wong Kim Ark, was not qualified to be president. I say that Wong Kim Ark was qualified — and so do the courts, which is why, despite their strongly held beliefs Taitz and Donofrio lose every time. They argue as if the the fourteenth amendment does not exist.
As an earlier poster mentioned, please see ANKENY v. GOVERNOR OF STATE OF INDIANA
“Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”
I understand that you disagree with this, and you are certainly free to advocate changing the Constitution, but until then I don’t foresee the courts agreeing with your position.
Peace.
Mick
January 26th, 2012
6:51 pm
“Are you for real? So you’re saying that if an American businessman goes to China. Marries a Chinese woman. They come to American for her to have the child. She later becomes a U.S. citizen. That child can then never become the POTUS?”
Yes. You must be eligible. It’s not a right.
Mick
January 26th, 2012
6:58 pm
“In other words, they would say that the subject of the landmark Supreme Court case, Wong Kim Ark, was not qualified to be president. I say that Wong Kim Ark was qualified — and so do the courts, which is why, despite their strongly held beliefs Taitz and Donofrio lose every time. They argue as if the the fourteenth amendment does not exist.”
WKA was NEVER deemed to be natural born, only “citizen”, due to parents legal residence in the US and the terms of the Burlingame Treaty, which allowed them to be subject to the jurisdiction of the US, but not to naturalize. The 14th Amendment does not define “natural born”. Minor v. Happersett stated that the definition is not in the 14A. NO SCOTUS has ever held that those born of non US Citizens in America ARE natural born— EVER. Ankeney was dismissed for standing, so any “opinion” is dicta, and certainly doesn’t overrule the SCOTUS.
Mick
January 26th, 2012
7:00 pm
“Seriously, get over it already. He’s a citizen, and this fine state would be holding up elections, simply because you folks wouldn’t want the African Americans (which we have a high population ratio of) to vote for him again. That’s what this is, too. Clear as crystal.
You all are racists and need a IQ test.”
The question is whether Obama is a natural born Citizen, get with the program
Mick
January 26th, 2012
7:02 pm
“Why bother showing up when the plaintiff just admitted as fact what he wants you to prove?”
To prove by independent analisys that Barack Obama Sr. was indedd the birth father of Barack Obama 2
Mick
January 26th, 2012
7:04 pm
“his issue is DEAD. It’s ALREADY been settled in several courts of law. OBAMA IS A U.S. CITIZEN, I AM A GEORGIA CITIZEN, AND I AM ***FURIOUS*** OVER THE LOCAL GOP’S ATTEMPT TO INTERFERE WITH MY RIGHT TO CHOOSE TO VOTE FOR HIM!”
The question is whether he is a natural born Citizen
Mick
January 26th, 2012
7:06 pm
“KBB – The disrespect of this sitting president is way worse than any president has ever have to endure”
He deserves no respect. He is knowingly Usurping the Presidency
Mick
January 26th, 2012
7:07 pm
“The birthers are wasting taxpayer time and money!!! Obama is a U.S. Citizen! As much as you may hate to admit it, he was born in the USA! He is also going to win another term — deal with it!”
Sigh… again. The question is whether he is natural born
somabe
January 26th, 2012
7:29 pm
“… the issue has been presented to the USSupreme Ct more than once and they declined to hear it. When SCOTUS declines to hear a case it means there is not an issue that would need to be decided.”
somabe
January 26th, 2012
7:30 pm
Yes. The “natural” born issue – thrice declined by SCOTUS
Chuckles
January 26th, 2012
7:42 pm
Dear Mick,
I understand.
My point is that I agree with the reasoning, and the conclusion expressed in Arkeny, and respectfully disagree with your position. I fully expect President Obama’s to appear on the ballot in Georgia, and in every state in the Union, because I believe that judges will reason the same way as in Arkeny, every time.
Peace.
Alcum
January 26th, 2012
8:21 pm
Mick continues to be wrong, all the while quoting the very court cases that explicitly contradict him. Obama is the first and only presidential candidate in US history to prove he is a natural born citizen. Case is closed.
Alcum
January 26th, 2012
8:24 pm
Mick: Obama’s birth father is completely irrelevant. End of story. He is of course a natural born citizen by virtue of his proven birth on US soil. This matter is settled, ironically with the outcome that Obama is the FIRST and only candidate for president in history to prove he is a NBC.
Alcum
January 26th, 2012
8:26 pm
Wong Kim Ark was declared to be a natural born citizen by virtue of his birth on US soil. This matter is settled case law and precedent. Please try to understand the case.
Alcum
January 26th, 2012
8:29 pm
Birthers need to understand that Minor did not define who is a natural born citizen. It merely noted that one type of person undoubtedly is, the child of citizen parents, but that others might also be, and it specifically said it is NOT deciding that question.
The court of course later did decide the matter in the Wong case.
End. Of. Story.