Silencers for Georgia hunters – so’s not to bother the neighbors

For hunters who prefer trenchcoats and fedoras to safety vests and gimme caps, from the Associated Press:

A Georgia Senate proposal would end the ban on silencers for hunting firearms.
Senate Bill 301 is sponsored by Sen. John Bulloch, who says allowing hunters to use silencers would keep them from disturbing their neighbors. The Ochlocknee Republican says hunters would still have to have a federal permit to possess a silencer.

The bill has been assigned to the Senate Natural Resources Committee, which Bulloch co-chairs. Sen. Ross Tolleson, a Republican from Perry who co-sponsored of the bill, is the committee’s chairman.

- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider

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Darvocet spending

January 12th, 2012
3:34 pm

Georgia: Always Leading The Way

Cliff

January 12th, 2012
3:46 pm

Now if we could affix silencers to the Georgia Senate, we would really be getting somewhere. Of course, a disadvantage for taxpayers would be the sharp increase in the Capitol’s heating bill this winter due to the lack of its naturally occurring source of hot air.

Chris

January 12th, 2012
3:50 pm

There shouldn’t really be much value in using silencers for hunting… hunting rifles, almost without exception, discharge high-powered supersonic rounds. A supersonic projectile makes a sonic boom — there’s no way around it.

FS

January 12th, 2012
3:54 pm

Once again the conservative Georgia Senate ignores real problems like jobs and education.

td

January 12th, 2012
4:03 pm

Sounds like a sound piece of legislation to me.

Don't Tread

January 12th, 2012
4:05 pm

“For hunters who prefer trenchcoats and fedoras” suggests that hunters (and all other gun owners, by extension) have criminal intent. Not surprising, coming from a Democrat.

And of course, mum’s the word on Fast and Furious. Nothing to see there, move along.

Keith

January 12th, 2012
4:08 pm

As someone who lives in the country and has a nearby neighbor who likes to disturb everyone with gunfire – this bill would be a godsend. I’d buy the silencer for him!

GaBlue

January 12th, 2012
4:13 pm

Don’t Tread (on your last brain cell, you might need it),

Mr. Galloway is doing his JOB, which is to report to us what the buzzards in the Georgia Senate are doing. The bill is about silencers which are generally associated (by sane, rational people) with stealth. The reference to trenchcoats and fedoras to introduce the topic is a literary mechanism that injects color into otherwise dry prose.

Furthermore, if you think Democrats in Georgia are unarmed… Heh.. heh heh… I caution you against trying to surprise one of us in our homes.

JV

January 12th, 2012
4:19 pm

From the December issue of The American Rifleman:

We hear the same story from countless hunters and shooters who might not realize that a lack of hearing protection can result in lasting hearing loss—until it’s too late. Billions of dollars are spent every year in our healthcare system for hearing loss conditions, such as shooting-related tinnitus.

Sound suppressors attached to firearms (less accurately called “silencers” in federal law) are an additional tool available to help protect our hearing and are quickly gaining in popularity throughout the country.

The Snark

January 12th, 2012
4:19 pm

@ Don’t Tread:

Wow, dude, you just hit the low water mark for paranoia and churlishness. Even td made a pretty good funny on this one.

td

January 12th, 2012
4:27 pm

GaBlue

January 12th, 2012
4:13 pm

I hope Jim will post the final vote on this bill because you will see very few Democrats voting in the no. Georgia is one of the biggest 2nd Amendment rights states in the country. This is a mostly bipartisan issue, the uber left are the only ones opposing the 2nd amendment.

Look before I leap...

January 12th, 2012
4:36 pm

Chris

January 12th, 2012
3:50 pm

There shouldn’t really be much value in using silencers for hunting… hunting rifles, almost without exception, discharge high-powered supersonic rounds. A supersonic projectile makes a sonic boom — there’s no way around it.

I am not a gun guy, but don’t ALL guns fire bullets at supersonic speeds? Isn’t 400 ft/sec a supersonic velocity?

Given that, I would think the sound created by a firearm discharging is related to the rapidly expanding gas as the bullet exist the muzzle and not the projectile breaking the sound barrier.

Georgia, The "New Mississippi"

January 12th, 2012
4:40 pm

This will breeze through our “Johnny Rep” legislature . They will be selling the state parks to ‘job creators” before Gov. Real Deal leaves office during his second term.

Darvocet spending

January 12th, 2012
4:43 pm

Don’t Tread

January 12th, 2012
4:05 pm

“For hunters who prefer trenchcoats and fedoras” suggests that hunters (and all other gun owners, by extension) have criminal intent. Not surprising, coming from a Democrat.

Nah it’s suggesting that most of them are bats**t insane, which is true

Beeg Boi

January 12th, 2012
4:44 pm

.45ACP is subsonic

MrLiberty

January 12th, 2012
4:45 pm

Tell the feds to go to hell. There are plenty of quality silencers manufactured in this state (no interstate commerce) that should be able to be sold without having to beg permission from our imperial federal overlords. It is a great idea but grow a spine GA legislature and start standing up for the 10th amendment and the rights of your citizens. We are citizens of GA and the Federal Government exists because YOU will it, not the other way around.

Darvocet spending

January 12th, 2012
4:46 pm

JV

January 12th, 2012
4:19 pm

From the December issue of The American Rifleman:

We hear the same story from countless hunters and shooters who might not realize that a lack of hearing protection can result in lasting hearing loss—until it’s too late. Billions of dollars are spent every year in our healthcare system for hearing loss conditions, such as shooting-related tinnitus.

Sound suppressors attached to firearms (less accurately called “silencers” in federal law) are an additional tool available to help protect our hearing and are quickly gaining in popularity throughout the country.

Ever heard of hearing protection? It’s a lot cheaper and much more practical. There are hearing protectors with microphones and amplify ambient sound (so you can hear better than with your own ears), but automatically mute and shield your ears from the noise from a gunshot. Or you can spend a few bucks on earplugs.

This is pandering legislation that doesn’t really do anything, but gun nuts are so obsessed they’re already chomping at the bit to reelect this guy.

GaBlue

January 12th, 2012
4:47 pm

td @ 4:27,

So true. Most Dems I know own at least one firearm. I did not feel the need to protect myself and home thusly until the past few years when the mouth-foaming, right-wing “don’t tread on me” crowd started demonstrating their lack of respect for anyone and everyone who dared express an opinion that was different from their own. And when I say “lack of respect,” I mean physical intimidation, unveiled threats of violence, and harassing tax-paying citizens in our homes because we somehow caused all their problems when we voted for the black guy, even though he did not take Georgia’s electoral votes. Live & learn, right?

Darvocet spending

January 12th, 2012
4:51 pm

I own several guns to protect myself from Tea Partiers, should the need arise.

Don't Tread

January 12th, 2012
4:52 pm

“when [those people] started demonstrating their lack of respect for anyone and everyone who dared express an opinion that was different from their own”

“unveiled threats of violence”

See the post at 4:13 as examples of the above. (You might want a mop to clean up the foaming on the floor.)

Darvocet spending

January 12th, 2012
4:53 pm

Look at how dumb you are

catlady

January 12th, 2012
4:54 pm

My neighbor likes to shoot 300-400 rounds on Sundays. It relaxes him. It makes my hair stand on end, and I start twitching after about 5 shots. He also baits deer and bear to his yard (unstopped, although it has been reported.) He also likes to hunt from his porch as it gets dark. He’s going to kill someone yet.

I welcome the silencer; as it is now, it sounds like he is shooting at ME, and I am tempted, badly, to shoot back.

td

January 12th, 2012
4:55 pm

Darvocet spending

January 12th, 2012
4:46 pm

Your posts on this subject just proves how “out of the main stream” your believes really are. Even most Dems in Georgia own guns and want the least restrictive laws on prohibiting gun ownership. Only the far left people (that still think the 2nd amendment only applies to the military) is adamantly opposed to this legislation. Watch the vote totals and you will see at least 50% by the Dems in the legislature.

beaker

January 12th, 2012
4:55 pm

There is no such thing as a silencer; the devices are actually sound suppressors. Some handguns have a bullet velocity in excess of the speed of sound some don’t. Most rifle bullets have a bullet velocity velocity in excess of the speed of sound. Thus the created sonic boon will not be significantly abated by a suppressors. Also you can’t just stick a suppressor on the end of either a pistol or rifle; the end of the gun would have to be machined/threaded by a skilled machinist to fit the suppressor onto the barrel; otherwise shooting the pistol or rifle would be dangerous. Somehow shooting a rifle in a densely congested area seems to be something the General Assembly shouldn’t be worrying about when there are many more real world problems. Also suppressors are quite expensive (about $600.00 for the suppressors and about $250.00 for the federal fee (for a typical 9mm handgun)).

Darvocet spending

January 12th, 2012
4:57 pm

td

January 12th, 2012
4:55 pm

Darvocet spending

January 12th, 2012
4:46 pm

Your posts on this subject just proves how “out of the main stream” your believes really are. Even most Dems in Georgia own guns and want the least restrictive laws on prohibiting gun ownership. Only the far left people (that still think the 2nd amendment only applies to the military) is adamantly opposed to this legislation. Watch the vote totals and you will see at least 50% by the Dems in the legislature.
This is a great reason to continue to scroll past TD posts.

Everyone, remember: Don’t reply to TD.

Gun Smoker

January 12th, 2012
4:57 pm

A big-game hunting rifle is much louder without a silencer than with one, even though the supersonic bullet will always make some noise and can never really be made “silent.” But with a silencer (more correctly called a sound suppressor, or a sound “moderator” in the U.K.), you can make a .30-06 deer rifle sound like a .22 rimfire, or a “ladyfinger” firecracker. This means it will cause less damage to the hunter’s hearing. And non-hunters who are a couple hundred yards away either won’t hear it, or it won’t be loud enough to bother them. Anybody very close to the shooter, including any game animals within normal hunting distances, WILL hear the shot. Again, it’s not silent. But it’s less noisy, and LESS damaging to the hunters’ hearing.

P.S. I own silencers. And I’m a hunter. And I have some hearing loss from those few-and-far-between times I’ve shot powerful guns without proper hearing protection and without any silencer on the muzzle.

Darvocet spending

January 12th, 2012
5:00 pm

beaker

January 12th, 2012
4:55 pm

There is no such thing as a silencer; the devices are actually sound suppressors. Some handguns have a bullet velocity in excess of the speed of sound some don’t. Most rifle bullets have a bullet velocity velocity in excess of the speed of sound. Thus the created sonic boon will not be significantly abated by a suppressors. Also you can’t just stick a suppressor on the end of either a pistol or rifle; the end of the gun would have to be machined/threaded by a skilled machinist to fit the suppressor onto the barrel; otherwise shooting the pistol or rifle would be dangerous. Somehow shooting a rifle in a densely congested area seems to be something the General Assembly shouldn’t be worrying about when there are many more real world problems. Also suppressors are quite expensive (about $600.00 for the suppressors and about $250.00 for the federal fee (for a typical 9mm handgun)).

True. Plus, suppressors don’t make firearms “quiet.” They reduce the report somewhat, but anyone can go on YouTube and see dozens of comparisons of suppressed and unsuppressed firearms. It’s not like the movies; suppression offers some benefit, but not to the extent most people think it does.

td

January 12th, 2012
5:00 pm

Darvocet spending

January 12th, 2012
4:57 pm

The truth hurts does it not my young padawan.

GaBlue

January 12th, 2012
5:25 pm

Don’t Tread,

I apologize for refuting your stereotypes and paranoid attack on Mr. Galloway for doing his job. How RUDE of me! If you’re not busy, you can google “Rand Paul Rally” and watch the video of a guy wearing a “don’t tread on me” button shoving a young woman to the ground and holding her while another guy stands on her head — because they didn’t like her sign. Oh wait… y’all probably watched it a million times and nearly peed yourself laughing already.

Chip

January 12th, 2012
5:32 pm

@darvocet, should we also suggest that everyone wear ear plugs while driving instead of installing those more-expensive and less-practical silencers on their automobiles?

roughrider

January 12th, 2012
5:40 pm

The U.S. military has silenced rifles for those of you who don’t think it is possible.

Ol' Timer

January 12th, 2012
5:42 pm

Apparently the pressing issues have been addressed and now we can deal with silencing high powered rifles that are being dischanged so close to homes that the sound is disturbing the neighbors.

Duh!

From where I sit the sound of the discharge is the least of your problems.

nelsonh

January 12th, 2012
5:51 pm

Does not the loud “bang” of a gun alert the neighbors that they should look for cover. Let us assume the woods is full of hunters, all with silentcers, If a hunter needs a silencer not to annoy the neighbors, he is to close, man I do not know what they could be thinking of.

sheepdawg

January 12th, 2012
5:52 pm

only an idiot would propose such legislation

Darvocet spending

January 12th, 2012
6:05 pm

Chip

January 12th, 2012
5:32 pm

@darvocet, should we also suggest that everyone wear ear plugs while driving instead of installing those more-expensive and less-practical silencers on their automobiles?

Completely unrelated, try again

Darvocet spending

January 12th, 2012
6:06 pm

sheepdawg

January 12th, 2012
5:52 pm

only an idiot would propose such legislation

Welcome to the South!

double

January 12th, 2012
6:06 pm

I can’t own a gun,Don’t need silencer.

Need Weed

January 12th, 2012
6:35 pm

Ok now we have someone stepping up for silencers, How about Medical Marijuana? We need Ron Paul in the White House and a democratic governor that understands and shows copassion. How many people do you know addicted to Oxycontin and then how many do you know that are addicted to pot. How many have died because of MJ,,,last year there were numerous and even thousands of deaths from OXY. Make it illegal and legalize pot.

HENRY

January 12th, 2012
6:43 pm

MY PRAYERS ARE ANSWERED…………

Matt

January 12th, 2012
6:51 pm

I guess these people have never actually heard what a suppressed gunshot sounds like. By the way, “suppressor” is the correct name for what you folks keep calling a “silencer”. The reason for this is because a suppressed gunshot still sounds like a gunshot. Completely silencing the report of a firearm is not possible. The neighbors will still hear the gunshots, it’ll just be harder to identify which direction the gunshots are coming from. That is all suppressors are good for. This is reality, not a Hollywood movie where they depict suppressors reducing a gun’s report to a tiny “ptew”.

Such a shame we can’t elect politicians with brains.

Now you've done it

January 12th, 2012
6:52 pm

There is no way Georgia is gonna sit back quietly and allow our neighbor Florida to be considered crazier than us…no way.

double

January 12th, 2012
6:52 pm

I doubt hunters would use silencers.Bulloch must not understand silencers.We need eliminate the senate.Why both?

gg

January 12th, 2012
6:52 pm

yeeehawww we dont need none a them jobs and education

brother bill

January 12th, 2012
6:53 pm

In 007 movies, the sound with a silencer is barely above a whisper. In reality, a silencer reduces the sound by only a few decibels. It is still quite loud and noticeable, but does produce less hearing damage.

If the hunter was after some wild onions, or some wild pecans, no rifle would be needed.

Sister Sarah

January 12th, 2012
6:53 pm

One poster had it right when they stated that silencers are intended for one purpose only – stealth. Furthermore, $650 for a silencer and $250 for tax stamp, no problem. Ever wonder how so many folks living in shacks and trailers out in the hills and woods of nowhere who don’t have a pot to whizz in yet have .50 cal rifles and all kinds of other “artillery”? Rich right wingers who bankroll their weaponry/militias (in case they need them to “protect their interests”). No different than what we found when our government followed the money trail of AlQaeda/Taliban and cut off financing. I guarantee it!

brother bill

January 12th, 2012
6:56 pm

The Georgia Legislature wishes to protect the hearing of gas station clerks, so that after they are shot in a robbery, at least their hearing is still good. Perhaps, we could add one year to the perp’s sentence, if a gun, WITHOUT a silencer is used in a crime!

double

January 12th, 2012
6:56 pm

Silencers would probably increase night hunting,poaching.

Gunn Smoker

January 12th, 2012
6:59 pm

An unsupressed high powered rifle shot might be heard from over a mile away. It could be loud enough to bother some people (people who don’t like guns and shooting, or don’t like hunting) from maybe 1/2 mile (760 yards) away.

So it’s WRONG and INCORRECT to say that if you hear the gunshot, obviously the hunter is too close to you and your home. THe hunter could be a long way from your home, firing AWAY from your home, shooting at a deer that is standing in front of a hill (meaning, the bullet will hit the dirt in the hill even if it misses the deer or zips right through the deer’s body). And yet the homeowner would still be startled at the sound of the rifle shot.

Noise and gun safety do not go together. Hearing gunshots doesn’t mean you’re in danger. Hearing a muffled gunshot / popping sound doesn’t mean you’re safe. Apples and oranges.

Katz P. Ajamas

January 12th, 2012
7:02 pm

Speed of sound is about 330m/s at sea level.

bronco

January 12th, 2012
7:11 pm

I’ve always wondered why they were illegal in the first place