Today is the first day that bills can be pre-filed for next year’s session of the General Assembly.
We’re told that two lawmakers intend to submit “personhood” resolutions – proposed constitutional amendments that would declare that life begins at fertilization, as would legal protection. All abortions would be banned; in vitro fertilization would be restricted.
Mississippi defeated a similar measure last week by 58 percent.
In the Senate, the sponsor will be Barry Loudermilk, R-Cassville – no surprise, given his pro-life reputation. In the House, the sponsor will be Rick Crawford of Cedartown.
Here’s the thing: Crawford is a Democrat.
“I’m from rural Georgia,” he said. “I have to be well in step, and people have to trust me to represent their interests. It’s not a surprise to anyone that I’m pro-life. This is a discussion that is appropriate for us to have.”
Crawford is currently teaching political science at Shorter College – the school that now requires all employees to foreswear pre-marital, adulterous or homosexual relationships. Crawford also once studied to be a pastor at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky. So the biography fits.
But the fact that the premier piece of anti-abortion legislation in the House will be carried by a member of the minority caucus clearly is a sign that the rift between House Republican leaders and Georgia Right to Life is still going strong.
With Bobby Franklin gone to his Maker, and James Mills now in the business of sending certain state prisoners to theirs, we may have a shortage of rank-and-file House GOP members willing to be caught in the crossfire.
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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271 comments Add your comment
Reality Check
November 15th, 2011
4:08 pm
Pretty sad that House leadership isn’t conservative. Not just on the abortion issue but on just about everything.
honested
November 15th, 2011
4:12 pm
An early start to regain our well earned position as National Laughingstock!
Couldn’t we have let Mississippi retain this for a couple of years?
dixiesdemons
November 15th, 2011
4:20 pm
@ honested
“An early start to regain our well earned position as National Laughingstock! ”
We never lost it !!
AtticusFinch
November 15th, 2011
4:21 pm
I’ll believe these guys are serious about this when they say that starting at fertilization, Georgians can start counting the ‘person’ as a dependent for tax purposes.
xdog
November 15th, 2011
4:26 pm
Now if they’d only allow the fertilized egg to be considered a corporation, we could have deductions that didn’t pay taxes.
GRTL NRTL
November 15th, 2011
4:30 pm
By continuing to push this legislation, which may outlaw popular forms of birth control and will restrict in vitro fertilization, GRTL is actually hurting the anti-abortion cause. This extreme idea can’t even prevail in very heavily Republican and Conservative areas. A form of it even failed at the 2008 10th District Georgia Republican Convention, for example. I could care less whether GRTL makes common cause with a Democrat as one is about as influential as the other.
Bill Orvis White
November 15th, 2011
4:47 pm
I have been honored to meet both Mr. Loudermilk and conservative Democrat Mr. Crawford. Even though he’s misguided on his party affiliation, Mr. Crawford is more than right about promoting the rightful personhood amendment. I’m working and praying with good folk in all Southern states to get this on the fall 2012 ballot. With the Hussein Obama backlash that WILL happen, I’m confident that this important amendment WILL PASS!
Amen,
Bill
Smoke
November 15th, 2011
4:49 pm
#1: Now I understand that old Dixiecrat saying, ” We love our women barefoot and pregnant.”
GaBlue
November 15th, 2011
4:58 pm
Christ. Okay, HEAD’S UP, PEOPLE! The time to start watching the fetid clown car under the Gold Dome is NOW, so you can contact your representatives, let your feelings be known, and complain bitterly about their absurd behavior. Waiting five or six months to read the summary of what they friggin’ did THIS time around (**insert eye rollie icon**), and then whining about it, is pointless. It’s too late once the damage is done.
They behave like greed monkeys on crack because they think no one is watching. This year: let’s follow along and smack some hairy little hands and feet before they eat ALL the bananas, and stuff the leftover ones in our tailpipes.
Are you ready?
shoshanna
November 15th, 2011
5:18 pm
1858 – “the slave is not a person, but a thing.” Virginia Supreme Ct
1876 – “[women] are not persons in matters of rights and privileges.” Canadian Charter
1881 – “an Indian is not a person within the meaning of the Constitution” American Law Review
1935 The Nueremberg Laws denied Jews the privileges of German citizenship, personhood and eventually humanity
1973 “(If the) suggestion of personhood is established, the case, of course collapses . . . “ Justice Harry Blackmum Roe v Wade
NUFF SAID?
quake
November 15th, 2011
5:32 pm
Nothing like Ga. elected officials to make those in Mississippi seem like a beacon of common sense and reasonableness.
Skyler Akins
November 15th, 2011
5:41 pm
Representative Crawford, my Representative, has co sponsored this bill every single year he has been in the General Assembly. The Democratic Party is diverse one, and while I [strongly] disagree with him on this issue, I am so very proud to have Rick Crawford represent me in the Georgia General Assembly. He is a true “Georgia Democrat” that can really teach the Republicans a thing or two about family values!
M
November 15th, 2011
5:56 pm
How many people are identical twins?
Centrist
November 15th, 2011
5:57 pm
Another impose a personal preference bill – Sen. Bill Heath, R-Bremen, filed the proposal to reverse “In God We Trust” car sticker. He proposed the motto would be the default on any license plates manufactured after July 1 but motorists could buy a county decal sticker to cover it if they wanted.
Here is a good one: Drug-test parents who apply for federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) by State Rep. Jason Spencer, R-Woodbine.
Tom
November 15th, 2011
6:09 pm
Bill Heath, a CAR TAG is a secular instrument issued by a secular government. As it is, Georgia drivers currently have the OPTION to change it into a billboard for their faith if they wish.
REQUIRING drivers to use it as a billboard for YOUR faith (and having to ‘opt out’ by purchasing an additional sticker) is unconstitutional.
Idiot.
Shankeysha
November 15th, 2011
6:13 pm
These are probably the same guys who tried to block our ability to buy a beer on Sunday. They lost that battle so they’ve moved on to this one.
Married for life
November 15th, 2011
6:16 pm
Once again, an attempt to make the unborn first-class citizens and the women bearing them second-class.
Bond
November 15th, 2011
6:17 pm
Maybe they’ll add a provision that requires a chip to be implanted near the point of conception so a loud buzzer will go off. Otherwise, the woman might commit manslaughter inadvertently.
Tom
November 15th, 2011
6:20 pm
God aborts embryos all day, every day. When are we going to bring Him/Her/It up on charges?
Gumby
November 15th, 2011
6:24 pm
A total waste of time for our elected officials but what else is new. Anyone remember the Sonny Perdue Go Fish Georgia waste of time and money legislation fiasco?
nelson
November 15th, 2011
6:30 pm
I do not know all that much about personhood, I prefer researching deep water harbors
docsbro
November 15th, 2011
6:31 pm
I have never understood why someone can’t be Pro-Life AND Pro- Choice… This is a decision that should be made by the woman and she has to “live” with the decision. If your God believes this is a sin then let Him(normally I would say Him/Her, but we know that these people would NEVER consider the idea of a higher power being a woman). We are not put on this earth to judge others, if YOU have faith that is great, then you believe God will “take care” of the sinners or what ever, that’s great. I don’t necessarily agree with abortion, but i also know that it is NOT MY decision.
Funny how the Republicans want less Government intervention in THEIR beliefs. Lets stop F’ing legislating everything and let people live their own lives.
No Longer Republican
November 15th, 2011
6:32 pm
Great to see our leaders so concerned with things that will really make a difference in the lives of everyday Georgians. It is SO IMPORTANT to me that my car tag says “In God We Trust” and that girls and women have absolutely no say as to what goes on inside their bodies. Will Georgia ever wake up? When we will ever be able to focus on the real problems in this state. These people make me so angry with the fight for right to life, but once that child is born to a mother who can’t support it, no help whatsoever because she made her choice. The people who fight so hard to limit the freedoms of women, offer absolutely NO HELP to those families after the child is born. So now you have a miserable mother, and a child with absolutely no hope of ever breaking the cycle.
No Longer Republican
November 15th, 2011
6:33 pm
good comment docsbro!
Tom
November 15th, 2011
6:34 pm
docsbro, your supposition is in error. There are, in fact, many people who feel the same way you do…and therefore are both anti-abortion (”Pro-Life” is a calculated misnomer) and pro-choice.
lynn
November 15th, 2011
6:43 pm
I have a better idea, start giving out free birthcontrol pills in homeroom every morning in our public high schools.
Bob
November 15th, 2011
6:46 pm
OK, so when does life start for all you pro choice people. Annswer that and then we can debate. Until then you are just wind in the air.
That Guy
November 15th, 2011
6:47 pm
So, if Georgia restricts my wife’s (and mine) right to in vitro fertilization, and that restriction is then later overturned by the Supreme Court (which it would), how much money will the great state of Georgia waste in paying me after the lawsuit? Why limit in vitro? What is the rationale behind that? Can someone explain that to me?
Bob
November 15th, 2011
6:49 pm
That Guy???? Where does it talk about invitro? Did I miss that?
yuzeyurbrane
November 15th, 2011
6:50 pm
I have always felt strongly that if we keep trying that Georgia can best Mississippi in everything.
That Guy
November 15th, 2011
6:51 pm
Second paragraph, last sentence.
Bob
November 15th, 2011
6:53 pm
AGAIN: yuzeyubrane and others, When doe slife start in your book>?
Married for life
November 15th, 2011
6:53 pm
Bob, read the article.
Bob
November 15th, 2011
6:55 pm
Fair enough, Give an old guy a break, 79 year old eyes are not the best. So when does Life begin?
Tom
November 15th, 2011
6:56 pm
Bob, both the sperm and the ovum are living specialized cells before fertilization. Sperm are produced (and die) continuously during most of a human male’s lifetime. Ova develop from primitive germ cells in the ovaries of all viviparous species. They are living cells prior to fertilization.
Guess we should criminalize menstruation and masturbation.
d'ep
November 15th, 2011
7:01 pm
Bob, when it can sustain its own without leeching off mine.
BILLY MAYS HERE
November 15th, 2011
7:05 pm
The economy is in the toilet, revenues don’t meet spending budgets, and unemployment in Georgia is still at its highest in years.
Better ban abortion!
rudikkingme
November 15th, 2011
7:09 pm
“With Bobby Franklin gone to his Maker, and James Mills now in the business of sending certain state prisoners to theirs, we may have a shortage of rank-and-file House GOP members willing to be caught in the crossfire.”
I guess the glovesRoff.
rollingmyeyes
November 15th, 2011
7:19 pm
If this didn’t pass in Mississippi, it won’t pass here in GA. If they were smart enough to recognize the pandora’s box of issues that this kind of “personhood” law would open, I have no doubt the voters and constituents in GA will vehemently oppose it for the same reasons.
hiram bronson granbury
November 15th, 2011
7:25 pm
The CDC should investigate the cause of the reverse evolution taking place in Georgia. Particularly, in the vicinity of the state capitol. It may be the water supply, or something in the air, but it’s shrinking the brains of our legislators, and if not addressed, we could be buring witches next…
hiram bronson granbury
November 15th, 2011
7:26 pm
burning
Bisnono
November 15th, 2011
7:26 pm
I’ve suffered through 3 devastating miscarriages – will I be investigated and charged with murder if such a bill becomes law? Losing my babies was horrible enough – do I also have to suffer the indignity that would result from passage of this bill???
BILLY MAYS HERE
November 15th, 2011
7:29 pm
hiram bronson granbury
November 15th, 2011
7:25 pm
The CDC should investigate the cause of the reverse evolution taking place in Georgia. Particularly, in the vicinity of the state capitol. It may be the water supply, or something in the air, but it’s shrinking the brains of our legislators, and if not addressed, we could be buring witches next…
Reactionary politicians are only the symptom. The citizens of Georgia are the disease.
Jack
November 15th, 2011
7:33 pm
I agree with lynn. But I’d also recommend grammar school.
ramguy68
November 15th, 2011
7:36 pm
Sponsoring legislation like this one and like the one that wants to put In God We Trust on our car tags doesn’t make you a christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. Nor does supporting such legislation.
Pro-Life? While Georgia Children Go To Bed Hungry Every Night
November 15th, 2011
7:36 pm
Mr. Crawford, how many children do you represent that go to bed hungry every night?
Your first concern should be those children who go hungry and stop worrying about the uterus of the women in Georgia.
You have a misplaced agenda. Shame on you.
Take care of the living and stop worrying about what has not happended!
BILLY MAYS HERE
November 15th, 2011
7:37 pm
This is all just proof that everyone’s a liberal. Hicks in Georgia (and other red states) are just liberals with a different outlook. They talk a good game about the importance of small government, but when it comes to gays and abortions, they will do whatever it takes to put a stop to it–regardless of the intrusion into peoples’ personal lives. Same story with handouts to corporations. There’s no such thing as a conservative in this country.
BOB
November 15th, 2011
7:38 pm
M
November 15th, 2011
5:56 pm
How many people are identical twins? ANS. – HALF OF THEM
This is Mrs. Norman Maine
November 15th, 2011
7:38 pm
I knew if it was nutty and untenable that Georgia legislators would rush to try to implement it.
Big Hat
November 15th, 2011
7:42 pm
Let’s see….ducks float…..wood floats……hmmmm…..I got it, Georgia, ducks are made of wood! Yeah, that’s the ticket, can I become Governor now? …And she’s a witch, burn her!
LeeH1
November 15th, 2011
7:42 pm
I’m waiting to see when the first woman deported from the US claims citizenship from their child born in another country seven months later, because it was conceived in America. And that citizenship goes hand in hand with personhood.
I think these people are talking themselves into a corner.
hl
November 15th, 2011
7:43 pm
How big our are jails? I admit to using IUD’s and birth control pills in my younger days. What’s the statute of limitations on using family planning? It has never been about Roe v Wade. There are some who want to overturn Griswold v Ct. Yeah, barefoot and pregnant. We don’t need those uppity gals running the State Dept when there are fine white men who are qualified.
Pro-Life? While Georgia Children Go To Bed Hungry Every Night
November 15th, 2011
7:44 pm
@No Longer Republican November 15th, 2011 6:32 pm – YOU SAY – The people who fight so hard to limit the freedoms of women, offer absolutely NO HELP to those families after the child is born.
I AGREE WITH YOU.
Is Mr. Crawford concerned about the children who go to bed hungry?
hiram bronson granbury
November 15th, 2011
7:44 pm
BILLY MAYS HERE
November 15th, 2011
7:29 pm
**Reactionary politicians are only the symptom. The citizens of Georgia are the disease.**
The disease is ignorance, and judging from the polls in Iowa, it appears to be pandemic.
BILLY MAYS HERE
November 15th, 2011
7:47 pm
Well I prefer to think of Georgians as a plague but that works too
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
7:57 pm
remarkable the number of supposedly intelligent, ethical people who are OK with the murder of the unborn. I guess America is better at producing exploiters than ethical people.
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
7:58 pm
liberals are just so immoral & intolerant. Plus a good dose of infantility.
BILLY MAYS HERE
November 15th, 2011
7:58 pm
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
7:57 pm
remarkable the number of supposedly intelligent, ethical people who are OK with the murder of the unborn. I guess America is better at producing exploiters than ethical people.
Go back to your cave.
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
7:59 pm
Lee – you an expert at making strawman arguments? Or just an imbecile?
BILLY MAYS HERE
November 15th, 2011
7:59 pm
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
7:58 pm
liberals are just so immoral & intolerant. Plus a good dose of infantility.
You decry liberals while at the same time advocation an expansion of government size and power to “protect the unborn.” Dare I say that you’re a liberal too?
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
7:59 pm
as opposed to your ivory tower? you another expert similiar to Lee? straw man?
Tom
November 15th, 2011
7:59 pm
Hey, Paddy, how many “unborn” have you claimed as dependents on your taxes?
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
8:00 pm
that is an excellent example of liberal asinine idealism. try saying that with a straight face.
BILLY MAYS HERE
November 15th, 2011
8:00 pm
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
7:59 pm
as opposed to your ivory tower? you another expert similiar to Lee? straw man?
Nice strawman argument.
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
8:01 pm
Tom – more straw man arguments? Do you liberals think cognitively as all? Or just have elitest temper tantrums?
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
8:02 pm
OK, MR Mays: How is advocating for the prevention of the murder of the innocent unborn, akin to living in a cave?
BILLY MAYS HERE
November 15th, 2011
8:03 pm
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
8:01 pm
Tom – more straw man arguments? Do you liberals think cognitively as all? Or just have elitest temper tantrums?
For someone so concerned about ethical arguments you sure do throw around a lot of ad hominem attacks.
BILLY MAYS HERE
November 15th, 2011
8:03 pm
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
8:02 pm
OK, MR Mays: How is advocating for the prevention of the murder of the innocent unborn, akin to living in a cave?
Don’t post here, TD.
hl
November 15th, 2011
8:04 pm
Paddy O, Will you agree to raise all those petri dish babies? Can’t let a living cell die. Now those out of the womb..well no health care for you. Get a job…
Tom
November 15th, 2011
8:04 pm
Wanna hear something funny, Paddy?….I’m a conservative. Been voting GOP nearly my entire life. I’m just not into mythology.
RSC
November 15th, 2011
8:04 pm
So, if personhood begins at fertilization and corporations are people, too, then when and how do corporations get fertilized?
td
November 15th, 2011
8:05 pm
Centrist
November 15th, 2011
5:57 pm
Another impose a personal preference bill – Sen. Bill Heath, R-Bremen, filed the proposal to reverse “In God We Trust” car sticker. He proposed the motto would be the default on any license plates manufactured after July 1 but motorists could buy a county decal sticker to cover it if they wanted.
Here is a good one: Drug-test parents who apply for federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) by State Rep. Jason Spencer, R-Woodbine.
Nothing wrong with either of these bills. If you do not want “In God we Trust” then buy county decal. If you are going to receive Government benefits then you should be drug tested.
hiram bronson granbury
November 15th, 2011
8:05 pm
BILLY MAYS HERE
November 15th, 2011
7:47 pm
“Well I prefer to think of Georgians as a plague but that works too.”
It’s not specific to Georgia; Rick Perry makes Sonny Purdue look like Albert Einstein. And don’t forget that Minnesotans elected Michelle Bachmann, and Jesse “The Body” Ventura before that, and Sarah Palin is a multi millionaire.
The entire country is in a free fall. It just seems like it’s Georgia, because that is where you are.
BILLY MAYS HERE
November 15th, 2011
8:05 pm
Yeah it’s funny watching Republican liberals bend over backwards to save the unborn while at the same time do everything possible to destroy it after it is born. They’re genuinely horrible people.
Just Wondering
November 15th, 2011
8:06 pm
Does that mean that I can claim a fertilized embryo as a dependent on my tax returns?
BILLY MAYS HERE
November 15th, 2011
8:06 pm
Centrist, TD, and Paddy O are the same person–please do not reply to them further. It only encourages them to post more.
Thanks in advance.
detritusUSA
November 15th, 2011
8:07 pm
Mississippi voters were smart enough to defeat this crap. I’m very afraid that Georgia voters aren’t that smart.
Tom
November 15th, 2011
8:09 pm
td, nobody should have to BUY a decal to cover up a non-secular slogan on a REQUIRED secular instrument. Anyone who wishes to plaster their ‘look at me’ declaration of their faith on their car tag already have the option of BUYING the sticker to do just that.
Were you able to follow that or did I type too quickly?
BILLY MAYS HERE
November 15th, 2011
8:10 pm
Tom
November 15th, 2011
8:09 pm
td, nobody should have to BUY a decal to cover up a non-secular slogan on a REQUIRED secular instrument. Anyone who wishes to plaster their ‘look at me’ declaration of their faith on their car tag already have the option of BUYING the sticker to do just that.
Were you able to follow that or did I type too quickly?
Or better yet they could buy one of those stupid fish decals themselves
rudikkingme
November 15th, 2011
8:13 pm
SpaceTime is on the side of the Conservatives here. Eve was very convincing, otherwise how could she have gotten Adam to get off that wonderful couch?
Think about what a total evil POS every single woman is.
That’s why I hate Midori so much, if any of you ever wondered.
Look, we have to align ourselves sooner or later.
So I ask you.
Who is with me?
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
8:15 pm
Tom – what mythology? That abortion is a privacy right? That is some excellent mythology. That women are so intelligent & responsible that they won’t use abortion as birth control? The numbers indicate that is not so. From your comments, I doubt your conservativism.
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
8:16 pm
Tom – are you are California conservative?
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
8:17 pm
Billy Mays – poster boy for insulate thought & the intolerant (hypocritical?) liberal.
rudikkingme
November 15th, 2011
8:17 pm
TD: don’t post anymore. UrAmoron. Maybe this biggest idiot I’ve ever witnessed. Everything you write is not just stupid, but idiotic as well.
What a rare achievement4any writer.
get lost, fool.
now.
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
8:18 pm
the drug test, if required to be paid for by the applicant, is an excellent law. FL data indicates it cuts down on welfare applications quite a bit.
Tom
November 15th, 2011
8:18 pm
Here’s an idea….default to NO STICKER, and give the option of adding either the county sticker or any of a selection of other “vanity” stickers, including “In God We Trust”, “Baruch Hashem Adonai”, “Allahu Akbar”, “Life is Good”, “Where’s the Beef?”, etc….for a nominal fee.
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
8:19 pm
rudi – the arrogance is typical liberal. do you live in GA?
Hilarious
November 15th, 2011
8:21 pm
It’s hilarious reading the comments on this site. Seriously, you can keep throwing around the word “liberal” as if it is a bad thing, but every civilized place on Earth besides here in ‘Merica knows just how backwards “conservatism” really is.
Anyway, just wanted to throw that out there. Please, keep on entertaining me!
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
8:22 pm
hil – Does that include all the bankrupt nations in Europe who embraced liberalism?
Shine
November 15th, 2011
8:22 pm
I dont agree with abortions but this goes too far.
td
November 15th, 2011
8:24 pm
Tom
November 15th, 2011
8:09 pm
“In God we Trust” is on the back of every dollar you spend. It is on the walls above the Supreme court, so I am sure it is not a separation of church and state issue.
Next thing I am going to hear is this nation was not founded on Judeo/ Christian values.
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
8:24 pm
I hope that this is proposed as a state constitutional amendment – it would allow the will of the majority of the people in Georgia to be expressed.
rudikkingme
November 15th, 2011
8:25 pm
Okay, U wont listen. So what? I’ll tell U all anyway. I was a victim of abortion. I’m not even here. I was coat-hangered in the same barbaric way that the defensive end was clothes-hangared in the movie “Longest Yard”, with Burt Reynolds.
They threw my carcass into the nearest garbage bin. I stayed there in freezing cold for daze.
But, because there is a GOD, I survived. Some total alchoholic waste disposal engineer managed to see me, and his 911 call was one4the ages.
So let me expound upon the liberal platform about abortion rights, and the right to choose, and the entire pro-choice agenda……let’s see, how can I best express this sentiment…….
U can all kiss my totally smooth baby’s behind, okay?
Remember: eventually, we will all have to explain our positions on abortion to the ALMIGHTY.
eventually.
So Midori can do whatever she wants. She’s finished. The Virgin told me so.
Jklol.
hiram bronson granbury
November 15th, 2011
8:25 pm
Does anyone know a state representative or senator that would sponsor a Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) sticker for our license plate. All of the reps in NW Georgia are members of the Taliban. I’m looking for women around here to be wearing berkas any day now.
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
8:25 pm
separation of Church & state is a judicial creation. That is NOT what the text of the US Constitution states. Nor does it guarantee the right to experssion. Just written & spoken.
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
8:27 pm
rudi is an example of hell on earth. certainly not a happy camper. reap what thou sow.
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
8:28 pm
rudi – is the zombie Billy Mays making any better sense to you than the rest of us still breathing?
Tom
November 15th, 2011
8:28 pm
td, I’m not required to use dollars….but I’m required to have a tag on my car.
Ever wonder why the founders of a nation supposedly “founded on Judeo/Christian values” so deliberately fashioned the one document upon which all of its laws and protections are based to be so explicitly secular?
td
November 15th, 2011
8:28 pm
rudikkingme
November 15th, 2011
8:17 pm
Maybe you can understand this my misguided/unintelligent friend, I will continue to post on these blogs until the day Jim or the AJC decides they do not want to read my views any longer. If you do not like it then you can just keep in your small minded world and not read them.
Do you understand?
rudikkingme
November 15th, 2011
8:29 pm
TD: so you have spent your soul on the poetic value of our founding fathers?
U stink really bad. Your opinion is rushannity and I think there’s a little bit of Moe in there somewhere.
Just get lost.
Beggin’ here.
bwa
rudikkingme
November 15th, 2011
8:30 pm
…and I said, “get lost”…
now
moron
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
8:31 pm
oooh, i gotta a candidate for pinhead of the day – - – — r_____________e
Tom
November 15th, 2011
8:33 pm
and “In God We Trust” as a national motto is not the product of our founders…it was a reactionary act of defiance during the McCarthy era of anti-communist fervor, just as the addition of the St Andrew’s Cross on the Georgia state flag was a thumb-of-the-nose to federal civil rights legislation.
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
8:36 pm
states rights, baby!
hiram bronson granbury
November 15th, 2011
8:39 pm
History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
8:41 pm
Tom – In God We Trust was on coin as early as 1864. hmmm.
Paddy O
November 15th, 2011
8:41 pm
define priest ridden.
hiram bronson granbury
November 15th, 2011
8:41 pm
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814
Jeff
November 15th, 2011
8:41 pm
To “No Longer Republican” at 6:32 p.m.:
You are completely overmatched and obviously lacking in critical thinking, because you miss even obvious points about life. You said, and I quote, “girls and women have absolutely no say as to what goes on inside their bodies.”
Ummm, yes they do, my friend… now, I’ll talk slow, so listen close: THEY CAN CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE SEX! I will repeat that… THEY CAN CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE SEX!!!!! Why is this concept SO FREAKING HARD for liberals/progressives/pro-abortion people to grasp??? You want control? You want women to have the say-so over their reproductive systems? Fine… then CLAIM IT! Refuse to give it up to ANY man until you are in a committed, stable, financially secure MARRIAGE that you plan to be in for life! Don’t eff around in high school, don’t eff around in college, don’t eff around in your roaring “have fun” 20s, and don’t eff around in some “long term dating arrangement” when you are 30…. WAIT UNTIL YOU HAVE A SOLID MARRIAGE! What is the harm in people getting married, building their married life together for a few years, saving up some money, becoming debt-free, and THEN HAVING CHILDREN????? Why do people have this overwhelming urge to get knocked up at 16, 18, 20, 22, 24 years old, when they can’t even afford to take care of themselves, much LESS provide for another human being???
All I see from “progressives” is a stubborn addiction to the “have fun at all costs” brand of morality. Nobody has patience, nobody has self control, nobody has the wisdom to think more than five minutes ahead. The motto of these people is “If it feels good, do it!” You know who thinks like that? Five year olds! You know how you get ahead in life? Self control, delaying pleasure, making tough decisions, sacrificing, and careful, conservative planning for your future.
It’s not the taxpayers fault that so many of these mothers of unwanted children can’t support themselves. It’s not our fault that, by utter lack of self control or forsight, these people get into unplanned pregnancies. And the answer is NOT to just kill off a fetus that, left to its own, would become a living, breathing human being. The answer is to slap our collective society across its face and say “WAKE UP!” If you are not in a situation where you can afford to have children, then DO NOT engage in behavior that will LEAD to children! It’s just like lung cancer — I know if I smoke, I’ll likely get lung cancer, so to prevent it, I DON’T SMOKE! Why can nobody else SEE THIS????
I am all for helping the people in our society who REALLY need it, and there are some poor single mothers out there who fall into this category. But there are ALSO a TON of people out there who get into the “poor single mother” or “unwed pregnant girl” boat because of BAD CHOICES and RISKY SEXUAL BEHAVIOR. We cannot and SHOULD NOT reward their behavior and validate their poor choices by just letting people get abortions any time they want. We are ENABLING people to engage in irresponsible sexual behavior. And NOBODY, from the left or the right, can argue with me about that point… that is a proven FACT in our society over the last 50 years.
God is going to judge us all, whether we like it or not… I prefer to stand with those who at least TRY to respect and honor his law instead of the bleeding-heart liberals to excuse every type of behavior under the sun just so they don’t come across as “judging” anybody.
Kudos to Crawford and Loudermilk for standing up for family values and solid Christian principles… but judging by the people on this blog, we will never get back to the moral nation we once were. We are a depraved society these days and we are in great moral decay… may God have mercy on our souls.
hiram bronson granbury
November 15th, 2011
8:43 pm
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
hiram bronson granbury
November 15th, 2011
8:44 pm
My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest. The artificial structures they have built on the purest of all moral systems, for the purpose of deriving from it pence and power, revolts those who think for themselves, and who read in that system only what is really there.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Mrs. Samuel H. Smith, August, 6, 1816
hiram bronson granbury
November 15th, 2011
8:45 pm
Priests…dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820
hiram bronson granbury
November 15th, 2011
8:47 pm
And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
td
November 15th, 2011
8:50 pm
Tom:
“The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
–Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson
“Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. … Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us.”
–History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.
“While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian.”
–The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343
Alex
November 15th, 2011
8:50 pm
This is why I refuse to consider myself a Republican or a Democrat. They both disgust me. Nobody can provide scientific proof as to the moment when life begins. Essentially they are trying to force their opinion on when life begins down the throats of everyone else. I don’t think abortion should be used as a method of birth control. Then again, as a male, that is a choice I will never have to make. But again that should be a choice.
I’m tired of Democrats trying to control what I do with my money and Republicans trying to control what I do in my bedroom.
DannyX
November 15th, 2011
8:52 pm
I think this is a great idea!
I want my license plate to read Allah Akbar (God is Great)
Pretty generic, and non religious.
Tom
November 15th, 2011
8:54 pm
Believing that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their Legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.
- Thomas Jefferson, to the Danbury Baptists 1802
Shine
November 15th, 2011
8:56 pm
Anyone receiving a government provided contract, or job, or tax break, or farm subsidy, or corporate welfare, etc etc etc should be drug tested also.
DannyX
November 15th, 2011
8:57 pm
Do you mind if we use the Jefferson Bible td?
Jefferson’s Bible excluded all of Jesus’ miracles. You could say that Jefferson started the war on Christmas, and of course the war on Easter. Bill O’Reilly must hate Jefferson.
Allah Akbar!
Tom
November 15th, 2011
8:58 pm
Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must approve the homage of reason rather than of blind-folded fear. Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences…. If it end in a belief that there is no god, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise and in the love of others it will procure for you.
- Thomas Jefferson 1787
td
November 15th, 2011
8:59 pm
James Madison
4th U.S. President
“Cursed be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ.”
–America’s Providential History, p. 93.
“When we view the blessings with which our country has been favored, those which we now enjoy, and the means which we possess of handing them down unimpaired to our latest posterity, our attention is irresistibly drawn to the source from whence they flow. Let us then, unite in offering our most grateful acknowledgments for these blessings to the Divine Author of All Good.”
–Monroe made this statement in his 2nd Annual Message to Congress, November
Tom
November 15th, 2011
9:00 pm
If we did a good act merely from the love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? It is idle to say, as some do, that no such thing exists. We have the same evidence of the fact as of most of those we act on, to wit: their own affirmations, and their reasonings in support of them. I have observed, indeed, generally, that while in Protestant countries the defections from the Platonic Christianity of the priests is to Deism, in Catholic countries they are to Atheism. Diderot, D’Alembert, D’Holbach, Condorcet, are known to have been among the most virtuous of men. Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than love of God.
- Thomas Jefferson 1814
DannyX
November 15th, 2011
9:00 pm
The Jefferson Bible did include Matthew 6:5, Don’t pray in public.
We should have a constitutional amendment that bans public prayer, its what our forefathers wanted.
td
November 15th, 2011
9:02 pm
Benjamin Rush
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution
“The gospel of Jesus Christ prescribes the wisest rules for just conduct in every situation of life. Happy they who are enabled to obey them in all situations!”
–The Autobiography of Benjamin Rush, pp. 165-166.
Tom
November 15th, 2011
9:04 pm
The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
- Thomas Jefferson (letter to John Adams) 1823
DannyX
November 15th, 2011
9:05 pm
“The gospel of Jesus Christ prescribes the wisest rules for just conduct in every situation of life. Happy they who are enabled to obey them in all situations!”
I don’t think Republicans like td should be quoting the Gospels, Jesus didn’t give the rich much chance of reaching heaven, Republicans worship money.
td
November 15th, 2011
9:05 pm
Tom
November 15th, 2011
9:00 pm
You, DannyX and others only quote Jefferson (Who BTW was our ambassador to France and did not take part in the writing of the Constitution) as your only source that we are a secular nation. I have provided quotes from the actual writers and delegates to the Constitutional convention.
Fair n balanced
November 15th, 2011
9:07 pm
So, life doesn’t begin until the fetus is “independent of its mother”. Well, when is that? Two, three, four years after birth? Killing a fetus inside the womb is bush league. Wait until after birth, look ‘em in the eye, and then slice their little head off.
Yup, a little harder after birth ain’t it.
td
November 15th, 2011
9:08 pm
Alexander Hamilton
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution
“I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man.”
–Famous American Statesmen, p. 126.
Tom
November 15th, 2011
9:11 pm
Yet, td, the document is completely and deliberately secular…..with no mention of God, Allah, Ra, Thor, Odin, Zeus or any of the 2,780 named and uniquely-identifiable supernatural beings fitting the accepted definition of ‘god’ found in the known writings and other artifacts of the known civilizations going back to the writings of the Sumerians.
Why?
td
November 15th, 2011
9:12 pm
Tom and DannyX Please pay close attention to the below quote as proof positive of what our founders intended:
Patrick Henry
Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution
“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”
–The Trumpet Voice of Freedom: Patrick Henry of Virginia, p. iii.
“The Bible … is a book worth more than all the other books that were ever printed.”
–Sketches of the Life and Character of Patrick Henry, p. 402.
John Jay
1st Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court
“In forming and settling my belief relative to the doctrines of Christianity, I adopted no articles from creeds but such only as, on careful examination, I found to be confirmed by the Bible.”
–American Statesman Series, p. 360
hiram bronson granbury
November 15th, 2011
9:13 pm
The Treaty of Tripoli (Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary) was the first treaty concluded between the United States of America and Tripolitania, signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796 and at Algiers (for a third-party witness) on January 3, 1797. It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797 and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797.
The treaty was a routine diplomatic agreement but has attracted later attention because the English version included a clause about religion in America.
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
The treaty is cited as historical evidence in the modern day controversy over whether there was religious intent by the founders of the United States government. Article 11 of the treaty has been interpreted as an official denial of a Christian basis for the U.S. government.
DannyX
November 15th, 2011
9:17 pm
td you want me to post all the George Washington quotes on religion???? You won’t like them.
“If they are good workmen, they may be from Asia, Africa or Europe; they may be Mahometans, Jews, Christians of any sect, or they may be Atheists.”
Bring on the Mexicans, George approved! George liked atheists too. George didn’t think we are a Christian nation did he td?
BILLY MAYS HERE
November 15th, 2011
9:23 pm
Just FYI, don’t respond to TD unless you’re telling him to stop posting.
Don’t post here anymore, TD.
td
November 15th, 2011
9:28 pm
DannyX and Tom, Why is it so hard for you to believe that this nation was founded on religious principals? I think there is ample proof that the founders wanted to not create a nation based on one form of Christianity (Quakers, Calvinist, Puritans, Baptist”’) and they surely did not want the state controlling Religion (Church of England). They did have every intention of this nation being created on fundamental Christian philosophy. The evidence is overwhelming to that fact.
BILLY MAYS HERE
November 15th, 2011
9:30 pm
>>>> Please don’t reply to TD <<<<<
td
November 15th, 2011
9:31 pm
BILLY MAYS HERE
November 15th, 2011
9:23 pm
You my friend are an incompetent boob, incapable of tolerating any other views then your own narrow minded view of the world.
Tom
November 15th, 2011
9:31 pm
td, I’ll take the Constitution over any other document….secular or religious. It, and it alone, is the final arbiter of what shall and shall not be legal in this nation.
Even if EVERY ONE of our founding fathers and framers of the Constitution had been a protestant minister, it does not take away from the fact that they made SURE the Constitution remained completely and indelibly secular.
They were establishing a nation in which any religion would be neither mandated nor prohibited, neither endorsed nor subverted. It was very likely the Test Act of 1673 in England had quite the bearing on the decision of these (mostly) pious men to deliberately make sure this new nation could do nothing similar by an act of its government (and, in fact, prohibited any religious test for elected office in the Constitution).
Shine
November 15th, 2011
9:31 pm
Well there you have it. TD has just proved the founders were all for feeding and housing the poor, healing the sick, etc etc etc. He is a dang liberal!
BILLY MAYS HERE
November 15th, 2011
9:33 pm
Stop responding to TD, you’re just encouraging him to post more.
Just tell him to get out.
BILLY MAYS HERE
November 15th, 2011
9:38 pm
I am not very smart and do not believe in freedom of speech. Td scares me because he makes me think how horribly I have been living my own life. If he stays on this board much longer then I may have to put down my crack pipe, stop drinking and actually take responsibility for my own life.
Please, please get td off these boards before I have to become a responsible citizen.
rooster
November 15th, 2011
9:41 pm
Calm down. Radical bills get pre-filed every year, and every year, they go nowhere.
Tom
November 15th, 2011
9:42 pm
The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.
– John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” (1787-88)
td
November 15th, 2011
9:43 pm
Tom
November 15th, 2011
9:31 pm
We are not that far apart. I believe the founders did not want the government to interfere in any way, shape or form the nations right to worship anyway they chose.
The difference I believe is that Christianity provided the inspiration and guidance on how to form the nation.
Tom
November 15th, 2011
9:45 pm
Indeed, Mr. Jefferson, what could be invented to debase the ancient Christianism which Greeks, Romans, Hebrews and Christian factions, above all the Catholics, have not fraudulently imposed upon the public? Miracles after miracles have rolled down in torrents.
– John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, December 3, 1813
Tom
November 15th, 2011
9:45 pm
Let the human mind loose. It must be loose. It will be loose. Superstition and dogmatism cannot confine it.
– John Adams, letter to his son, John Quincy Adams, November 13, 1816
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9:46 pm
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Tom
November 15th, 2011
9:47 pm
What havoc has been made of books through every century of the Christian era? Where are fifty gospels condemned as spurious by the bull of Pope Gelasius? Where are forty wagon-loads of Hebrew manuscripts burned in France, by order of another pope, because of suspected heresy? Remember the Index Expurgato-rius, the Inquisition, the stake, the axe, the halter, and the guillotine; and, oh! horrible, the rack! This is as bad, if not worse, than a slow fire. Nor should the Lion’s Mouth be forgotten. Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years.
– John Adams, letter to John Taylor, 1814
Tom
November 15th, 2011
9:49 pm
“As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] … it is declared … that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries….
“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation.”
— Treaty of Tripoli (1797), carried unanimously by the Senate and signed into law by John Adams
nocumentum
November 15th, 2011
9:49 pm
So some of you think because you have an easy answer, you got the right answer. I don’t have to know anything about when life begins to know that believing a fertilized egg is a person is straight up stupid; it’s like believing that the sun revolves around the earth. You and your “personhood” friends should spend your time feeding and caring for real kids, not mythical beings.
Tom
November 15th, 2011
9:50 pm
The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason: The Morning Daylight appears plainer when you put out your Candle.
– Benjamin Franklin, the incompatibility of faith and reason, Poor Richard’s Almanack (1758)
Tom
November 15th, 2011
9:53 pm
And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.
– James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822
Tom
November 15th, 2011
9:54 pm
The civil government … functions with complete success … by the total separation of the Church from the State.
– James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman
Tom
November 15th, 2011
9:55 pm
We hold it for a fundamental and undeniable truth “that religion, or the duty which we owe our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence.” The religion, then, of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man: and that it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate.
– James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, addressed to the Virginia General Assembly, June 20, 1785
honested
November 15th, 2011
9:56 pm
Tom,
Thanks!
Those who are most confused seem to trace their confusion to our ‘founders’ while having no idea what the founders said or thought.
Tom
November 15th, 2011
9:56 pm
What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; in many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient allies.
– James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, addressed to the Virginia General Assembly, June 20, 1785
Tom
November 15th, 2011
9:57 pm
Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprize, every expanded prospect.
– James Madison, letter to William Bradford, Jr., April 1, 1774
Tom
November 15th, 2011
9:58 pm
Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity in exclusion of all other religions may establish, with the same ease, any particular sect of Christians in exclusion of all other sects? That the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute threepence only of his property for the support of any one establishment may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?
– James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, addressed to the Virginia General Assembly, June 20, 1785
Tom
November 15th, 2011
9:58 pm
Experience witnesseth that eccelsiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of Religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.
– James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, addressed to the Virginia General Assembly, June 20, 1785
DannyX
November 15th, 2011
9:58 pm
The Baptists used to be the biggest supporters of separation of church and state in our young country.
td
November 15th, 2011
10:03 pm
“We have no government armed in power capable of contending in human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.”
1798, Address to the militia of Massachusetts John Adams
“The experiment is made, and has completely succeeded: it can no longer be called in question, whether authority in magistrates, and obedience of citizens, can be grounded on reason, morality, and the Christian religion, without the monkery of priests, or the knavery of politicians.”
1788, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, John Adams
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:03 pm
It is necessary to the happiness of man that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving, it consists in professing to believe what one does not believe.
– Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)
Enough Already
November 15th, 2011
10:03 pm
When will it end? Why is it always MEN who want to dictate to we women what we can and cannot do with our bodies? I’m not Pro-Life, I’m Pro-Choice. I do not condone abortion but who am I to say who can and cannot have one? To say I’m Pro-Life is to say I’m Anti-Choice. The Good Lord gives us, as individuals, the right to choose. Why can’t they?
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:04 pm
Independence is my happiness, and I view things as they are, without regard to place or person; my country is the world, and my religion is to do good.
– Thomas Paine, The Rights of Man
td
November 15th, 2011
10:05 pm
“I have lived, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth — that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?”
July 28, 1787, Address at the Constitutional Convention, Ben Franklin
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:06 pm
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
– Thomas Paine, (1737-1809), The Age of Reason, pt. 1, “The Author’s Profession of Faith” (1794)
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:07 pm
It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man.
– Thomas Paine, as quoted by Joseph Lewis in Inspiration and Wisdom from the Writings of Thomas Paine
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:07 pm
There is scarcely any part of science, or anything in nature, which those imposters and blasphemers of science, called priests, as well Christians as Jews, have not, at some time or other, perverted, or sought to pervert to the purpose of superstition and falsehood.
– Thomas Paine, as quoted by Joseph Lewis in Inspiration and Wisdom from the Writings of Thomas Paine
td
November 15th, 2011
10:07 pm
“In my opinion, the present constitution is the standard to which we are to cling…. Let an association be formed to be denominated ‘The Christian Constitutional Society,’ its object to be first: The support of the Christian religion. Second: The support of the United States.”
Apr. 16-21, 1802, Letter to James Bayard, Alexander Hamilton
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:08 pm
The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on nothing; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing and admits of no conclusion.
– Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1793-5)
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:08 pm
Everything wonderful in appearance has been ascribed to angels, to devils, or to saints. Everything ancient has some legendary tale annexed to it. The common operations of nature have not escaped their practice of corrupting everything.
– Thomas Paine, as quoted by Joseph Lewis in Inspiration and Wisdom from the Writings of Thomas Paine
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:08 pm
No falsehood is so fatal as that which is made an article of faith.
– Thomas Paine, as quoted by Joseph Lewis in Inspiration and Wisdom from the Writings of Thomas Paine
td
November 15th, 2011
10:08 pm
“The great pillars of all government…[are] virtue, morality, and religion. This is the armor, my friend, and this alone, that renders us invincible.”
Jan. 8, 1799, Letter to Archibald Blair, Patrick Henry
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:09 pm
The Bible: a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalise mankind.
– Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1793-5)
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:10 pm
The Christian system of religion is an outrage on common sense.
– Thomas Paine, as quoted by Joseph Lewis in Inspiration and Wisdom from the Writings of Thomas Paine
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:10 pm
The Bible is a book that has been read more, and examined less, than any book that ever existed.
– Thomas Paine, as quoted by Joseph Lewis in Inspiration and Wisdom from the Writings of Thomas Paine
td
November 15th, 2011
10:10 pm
“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”
Feb. 28, 1797, Letter to clergyman Jedidiah Morse, John Jay
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:11 pm
Priests and conjurors are of the same trade.
– Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1793)
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:11 pm
The story of the redemption will not stand examination. That man should redeem himself from the sin of eating an apple by committing a murder on Jesus Christ, is the strangest system of religion ever set up.
– Thomas Paine, as quoted by Joseph Lewis in Inspiration and Wisdom from the Writings of Thomas Paine
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:12 pm
The Church was resolved to have a New Testament, and as, after the lapse of more than three hundred years, no handwriting could be proved or disproved, the Church, which like former impostors had then gotten possession of the State, had everything its own way. It invented creeds, such as that called the Apostle’s Creed, the Nicean Creed, the Athanasian Creed, and out of the loads of rubbish that were presented it voted four to be Gospels, and others to be Epistles, as we now find them arranged.
– Thomas Paine, as quoted by Joseph Lewis in Inspiration and Wisdom from the Writings of Thomas Paine
td
November 15th, 2011
10:12 pm
“The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind. Where, say some, is the king of America? I’ll tell you, friend, He reigns above.”
1776, Common Sense, Thomas Paine
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:12 pm
Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon that the Word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and for my own part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel.
– Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:12 pm
As to the Christian system of faith, it appears to me as a species of atheism — a sort of religious denial of God. It professed to believe in man rather than in God. It is as near to atheism as twilight to darkness. It introduces between man and his Maker an opaque body, which it calls a Redeemer, as the moon introduces her opaque self between the earth and the sun, and it produces by this means a religious or irreligious eclipse of the light. It has put the whole orbit of reason into shade.
– Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:14 pm
The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.
– George Washington, letter to the congregation of Touro Synagogue, Newport, Rhode Island, August, 1790
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:17 pm
“I know that Gouverneur Morris, who claimed to be in his secrets, and believed himself to be so, has often told me that General Washington believed no more in that system [Christianity] than he did.”
– Thomas Jefferson, in his private journal, February, 1800, quoted from Jefferson’s Works, Vol. iv., p. 572 (”Gouverneur Morris was the principal drafter of the Constitution of the United States; he was a member of the Continental Congress, a United States senator from New York, and minister to France. He accepted, to a considerable extent, the skeptical views of French Freethinkers.” — John E Remsberg, Six Historic Americans.)
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:18 pm
“The pictures that represent him on his knees in the winter forest at Valley Forge are even silly caricatures. Washington was at least not sentimental, and he had nothing about him of the Pharisee that displays his religion at street corners or out in the woods in the sight of observers, or where his portrait could be taken by ‘our special artist’!”
– The Reverend M J Savage, quoted from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents, p. 22
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:20 pm
“I have diligently perused every line that Washington ever gave to the public, and I do not find one expression in which he pledges, himself as a believer in Christianity. I think anyone who will candidly do as I have done, will come to the conclusion that he was a Deist and nothing more.”
– The Reverend Bird Wilson, an Episcopal minister in Albany, New York, in an interview with Mr. Robert Dale Owen written on November 13, 1831, which was publlshed in New York two weeks later, quoted from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents, pp. 27
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:20 pm
“I called last evening on Dr. Wilson, as I told you I should, and I have seldom derived more pleasure from a short interview with anyone. Unless my discernment of character has been grievously at fault, I met an honest man and a sincere Christian. But you shall have the particulars. A gentleman of this city accompanied me to the Doctor’s residence. We were very courteously received. I found him a tall, commanding figure, with a countenance of much benevolence, and a brow indicative of deep thought, apparently 50 years of age. I opened the interview by stating that though personally a stranger to him, I had taken the liberty of calling in consequence of having perused an interesting sermon of his, which had been reported in the Daily Advertiser of this city, and regarding which, as he probably knew, a variety of opinions prevailed. In a discussion, in which I had taken part, some of the facts as there reported had been questioned; and I wished to know from him whether the reporter had fairly given his words or not. I then read to him from a copy of the Daily Advertiser the paragraph which regards Washington, beginning, ‘Washington was a man,’ etc., and ending ‘absented himself altogether from church.’ ‘I endorse,’ said Dr. Wilson with emphasis, ‘every word of that. Nay, I do not wish to conceal from you any part of the truth, even what I have not given to the public. Dr. Abercrombie said more than I have repeated. At the close of our conversation on the subject his emphatic expression was — for I well remember the very words “Sir, Washington was a Deist.”‘”
– Mr. Robert Dale Owen, newspaper reporter, afterwards a member of Congress and later Minister to Naples, after interviewing Dr. Wilson, giving the substance of the interview in a letter written on November 13, 1831, which was published in New York two weeks later, quoted from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents, pp. 26-27
Tom
November 15th, 2011
10:21 pm
“In regard to the subject of your inquiry, truth requires me to say that General Washington never received the communion in the churches of which I am the parochial minister. Mrs. Washington was an habitual communicant. I have been written to by many on that point, and have been obliged to answer them am as I now do you.”
– The Right Reverend William White, the first bishop of Pennsylvania, friend of Washington and bishop of Christ’s Church in Philadelphia, which Washington attend for about 25 years when he happened to be in that city, in a letter to Colonel Mercer of Fredericksberg, Virginia, on August 15, 1835, quoted from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents, pp. 27
hiram bronson granbury
November 15th, 2011
10:24 pm
Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1
hiram bronson granbury
November 15th, 2011
10:26 pm
In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following: (a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered; (b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap. The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11
hiram bronson granbury
November 15th, 2011
10:29 pm
What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8
Pro-Life? While Georgia Children Go To Bed Hungry Every Night
November 15th, 2011
10:37 pm
THERE ARE A LOT OF HYPOCRITES ON THIS BLOG. You want to preach pro-life on one hand and on the other you want to throw rocks.
I am for PRO-LIVING! I am for taking care of the babies and children who go to bed hungry at night.
Why are you all so worried about a child that has not been born! TAKE CARE OF THE CHILD THAT IS ALREADY BORN!
IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK?
Married for life
November 15th, 2011
11:02 pm
Because, Pro-Life?…, it’s all about power, and control, and enslavement. It has nothing to do with a religion of love, a religion of Jesus.
No Longer Republican
November 15th, 2011
11:39 pm
Kudos to Married for Life and Pro=Life?
Jennifer
November 15th, 2011
11:46 pm
Oh Good Lord. This is all I needed to hear.
Teddy Roosevelt
November 16th, 2011
12:43 am
Enough already, because I am smarter than you
Bobby
November 16th, 2011
1:26 am
So I’m going to be taxed for not being a Christian the next time I have to renew my car tag?
Ole Farmer
November 16th, 2011
4:54 am
Insane.
Ol' Timer
November 16th, 2011
5:24 am
“Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything.” ~Frank Dane
common sense
November 16th, 2011
5:43 am
Come on morons, exactly how hard is it to understand a fertilized human egg is a human being and as such has the same human rights given by God as everyone else. Good grief what a bunch of morons are those that can’t even understand that simple fact of life. All they can do it seems here is to call folks that are honest with reality hicks and such as usual. The typical attack the messenger brain dead liberal response to everything. Read history you dummies, once you stop valuing all human life you are on the road to ruin as a society every time.
curious
November 16th, 2011
6:19 am
Will my wife be able to use the HOV lane now? She got pregnant (conceived) last night, I think.
Buckhead Boy
November 16th, 2011
6:20 am
common sense,
Sense questionable. Common definitely.
Maybe if there was serious interest shown by those of your persuasion to caring for the unwanted children we have, such flamboyant displays for facilitating more might be viewed as other than irresponsible and intrusive religiosity.
Lib in Cobb
November 16th, 2011
6:52 am
This personhood bill has so many legally troubelsome pitfalls, the lawyers will need to work overtime to get the verbage correct. For example, if a pregnant woman falls down the stairs, the fetus dies, will the woman be charged with involuntary manslaughter? The dopes in the statehouse who are sponsoring this nonsense should have an idea that they are trampling on a woman’s right. If a woman has a miscarriage is she going to be investigated as Franklin proposed,. I thought Franklin was dead. Are there really enough conservatives in GA wearing tin foil hats to get this crap passed. The conservatives want to move the hands of the clock back 100 years, to a time when women were viewed as the property of the men.
Four years ago we had Sonny Perdue praying for rain on the statehouse steps when rain was predicted that night at 70%, that little event made GA look stupid, except for the Liberals of course. This personhood bill will make GA look exceptionally stupid.
Barney Frank said, “A Republican’s life begins at conception and ends at birth”. I will add, especially in GA.
hiram bronson granbury
November 16th, 2011
7:09 am
Lib in Cobb
November 16th, 2011
6:52 am
Georgia hasn’t cornered the market on stupidity. Look at Minnesota, Iowa, Texas, Kentucky. Stupidity is pandemic.
Ol' Timer
November 16th, 2011
7:14 am
“Rational arguments usualy don’t work on religious people. Otherwise, there wouldn’t be religious people.” ~Doris Egan
I don’t understand why it’s so hard to understand that many of our Founding Fathers were deists. They greatly admired the life and teachings of Jesus — insofar as they could discern them — but as men of the Enlightenment rejected the supernatural aspects of Christianity. Today they would probably be accursed as “Secular Humanists.”
OconeeCo
November 16th, 2011
7:25 am
Moron…and really nothing else need be said.
kp
November 16th, 2011
7:49 am
With all the economic problems Georgia is going through, our boneheads in the dome still can’t focus on what needs to be done. Yes lets waste more time and our tax money.. We really need to fire all of the politicians and start over.
Lib in Cobb
November 16th, 2011
7:59 am
@Ol’ Timer: Thank you, well stated.
Lib in Cobb
November 16th, 2011
8:00 am
@OconeeCo: I will wager you are wearing a tin foil hat.
Pro-Life? While Georgia Children Go To Bed Hungry Every Night
November 16th, 2011
8:01 am
@Tom November 15th, 2011 10:07 pm
ENOUGH WITH THE QUOTES. DO YOU NOT HAVE A THOUGHT OF YOUR OWN. ANYONE CAN CUT AND PASTE!
John K
November 16th, 2011
8:06 am
So Georgia looked at Mississippi and said “Hey! You can’t corner the market on stupidity!”
But looking at details….. If I were to be found dead, there would be an investigation and autopsy. If a zygote is indeed a person, and there is a miscarriage, I’m assuming the same?
honested
November 16th, 2011
8:09 am
Lib in Cobb,
The only way to make sure there are not enough morons in the General Assembly to pass this time and money wasting, rights stripping nonsense is to CALL YOUR LEGISLATOR TODAY. If their phones don’t stop ringing and they don’t get the message NO, then they should be replaced before the court has the opportunity to set it aside.
Married for life
November 16th, 2011
8:34 am
We always hold up China and their enforced abortions to point out that state-sponsored requirements on birth control never works. What about Romania under Ceaucescu and his banning of birth control and abortions? Do we forget how many Americans adopted Romanian children to get them out of the orphanages to where they were abandoned?
http://www.ceausescu.org/ceausescu_texts/overplanned_parenthood.htm
“He began his campaign in 1966 with a decree that virtually made pregnancy a state policy. “The fetus is the property of the entire society,” Ceausescu proclaimed. “Anyone who avoids having children is a deserter who abandons the laws of national continuity.”
It was one of the late dictator’s cruelest commands. At first Romania’s birthrate nearly doubled. But poor nutrition and inadequate prenatal care endangered many pregnant women. The country’s infant-mortality rate soard to 83 deaths in every 1,000 births (against a Western European average of less than 10 per thousand). About one in 10 babies was born underweight; newborns weighing 1,500 grams (3 pounds, 5 ounces) were classified as miscarriages and denied treatment. Unwanted survivors often ended up in orphanages.
He forbade sex education. Books on human sexuality and reproduction were classified as “state secrets,” to be used only as medical textbooks. With contraception banned, Romanians had to smuggle in condoms and birth-control pills. Though strictly illegal, abortions remained a widespread birth-control measure of last resort. Nationwide, Western sources estimate, 60 percent of all pregnancies ended in abortion or miscarriage.”
Any extreme is wrong.
Bond
November 16th, 2011
8:43 am
The question is,” at what point should the state step in to protect life”? There is life in some form all along the process.
In the end it is a moral question that government is not equipped to answer. So make government sponsored abortion illegal and let everyone else sort it out with God.
Bond
November 16th, 2011
8:47 am
… And, if life is so important to the legislators, why aren’t they spending any time addressing the state’s total abandonment of our mentally disabled?
clem
November 16th, 2011
9:07 am
no matter what the topic for the blog, i reiterate cain is a dolt.
yellowdog
November 16th, 2011
9:08 am
yet another MAN insinuating himself into women’s bodies – and the conservatives continuing to add to big government this time into our ovaries. get a grip….one wonders what women are doing here living in georgia. we are the laughing stock. people are hungry and they want personhood to become law? piety and ignorance. men have no rights to this……….
td
November 16th, 2011
9:11 am
Buckhead Boy
November 16th, 2011
6:20 am
common sense,
Sense questionable. Common definitely.
Maybe if there was serious interest shown by those of your persuasion to caring for the unwanted children we have, such flamboyant displays for facilitating more might be viewed as other than irresponsible and intrusive religiosity.
You my friend sound like children are some kind of toy or furniture. Children are a responsibility for the two people created the life. We have cheapen life so much and taken out the responsibility part of raisin children it is no wonder our jails are filled today. If two people make the choice to sleep together then they must take the responsibility of what comes out of their actions.
carlosgvv
November 16th, 2011
9:16 am
When all these “personhood” politicians start to show real concern for the people ALREADY born, I will listen to them. As it is now, once the baby is born, they could not possibly care less what it’s fate may be.
Mudfoot
November 16th, 2011
9:22 am
“You my friend sound like children are some kind of toy or furniture. Children are a responsibility for the two people created the life. We have cheapen life so much and taken out the responsibility part of raisin children it is no wonder our jails are filled today. If two people make the choice to sleep together then they must take the responsibility of what comes out of their actions.”
And what happens to the child when they don’t, as is often the case. Eff ‘em, right? I mean once they’re born they’re reduced to “welfare queens, slackers, unAmerican deadbeats”, right? No Tanf for them, no welfare… no assistance at all, period. After all they’re in the spot they’re in because of their own choices, right?
Hypocritical ideological infantile thinking. Reality is a bitch, but most of us live with it
Bond
November 16th, 2011
9:23 am
Spoke well Carlos
GT/MIT
November 16th, 2011
9:25 am
@ BILLY MAYS HERE:
Billy old boy I’ve read through the comments here and they’re in general, typical for Galloway’s blog. Your’s however stand out, I can’t decide where you might be from, or for that matter, I can’t even decide what you are. For sure you can’t have roots in Georgia, we’re much to ignorant, as a matter of fact, I doubt you’re from anywhere in the South, the land of the unwashed masses. So, give me a hint old boy, just where were you hatched??
I’m really not an avid antiabortionist, I tend to believe that if a child is not wanted it might be better off not born. But Billy in your case I think, ah, well lets just say that their are individuals that should have been aborted.
John K
November 16th, 2011
9:26 am
Good comments Carlos. I wonder if these personhood folks would be willing to raise their taxes to pay for additional free & reduced lunches?
Likewise, I wonder how many put their money where their mouth is and adopt?
Married for life
November 16th, 2011
9:27 am
Mudfoot:
Reality, no. Stereotypes, yes. It appears in your way of thinking (?), stereotypes should dictate policy.
Mudfoot
November 16th, 2011
9:34 am
MFL
Whatever. Keep living in denial. Keep ignoring tha fact that the GOP hates disadvantaged children but advocates creating as many of them as possible. The only people who will suffer are those kids, and if you ever see ‘em from your house you’ll just call the cops and have those deadbeat lowlifes removed from your sight, right? Deny it all day if you like, but don’t think for an instant that any readers assign any credibility to any of your posts (except for your brethren also living in denial)
td
November 16th, 2011
9:39 am
Mudfoot
November 16th, 2011
9:22 am
If a parent does not want to raise a child then you the state is forced to take that child into custody to raise it. This should not relieve those parents of their responsibility to pay for said child. This is the problem with the current system. We (the people) do not demand our the responsibility. The people should not have any luxury in life(cell phone, cable tv, expensive clothes…) until the bills are paid for the care of the child. Those parents should not be able to reproduce any longer if they can not pay care for the children they produce. Let me be crude for a moment: If you are a man you should be told early in life that if you produce a child and do not take care of the child then you will have it cut off.
It is not conservatives that are unwilling to take the necessary steps to make sure parents take the responsibility for their actions it is you libs that will not allow conservatives to take the necessary steps.
td
November 16th, 2011
9:41 am
GT/MIT
November 16th, 2011
9:25 am
I will not go so far as should have been aborted but I would say that good ole Billy should not ever reproduce.
Mudfoot
November 16th, 2011
9:49 am
td
Thanks for illustrating “living in denial”. Great job
td
November 16th, 2011
9:49 am
Mudfoot
November 16th, 2011
9:34 am
No my friend. To turn a person into an entitlement mentality and to see the hopelessness and not have a meaningful life is by far the worse punishment one can give to another human being. The liberal “great society” has ruined millions of lives in this country by forcing millions of people to suffer a lifetime of hopelessness.
You need to go into a welfare office and just look into the eyes of a middle aged person that has known nothing but welfare. When you see that look non accomplishment and hopelessness you will cry. If you do not then you my friend have no heart.
td
November 16th, 2011
9:52 am
Mudfoot
November 16th, 2011
9:49 am
td
Thanks for illustrating “living in denial”. Great job
Please tell me how I am living in denial? Denial of what? I really want to be educated on what we should be doing?
Paddy O
November 16th, 2011
9:58 am
Tom is not a Christian. What are you Tom? You have already pretended to be conservative.
Paddy O
November 16th, 2011
9:59 am
For those who so support the murder of the innocent unborn: When does the simple cell division lead to an independent human heart beating?
Paddy O
November 16th, 2011
10:00 am
carlos – how long have you been a soclialist/communist? Why is any politician responsible for the conduct of a citizens life/welfare? That is not an American ideal.
Paddy O
November 16th, 2011
10:02 am
yellowdog – you seem quite good at parroting feministic dogma. Why do you think women should murder the innocent for convenience?
Jon Lester
November 16th, 2011
10:03 am
How do we make people any better at choosing their partners?
Paddy O
November 16th, 2011
10:05 am
kp – what would you have the pols do? Raise taxes & give more money to those unemployed? This is a standard recession after and easy money era. What do you wish them to do?
Paddy O
November 16th, 2011
10:06 am
Lester – you don’t – but, it would be beneficial if there was a social stigma on getting pregnant outside of marriage. OR, with little assistance, those who do such stupid things would wallow in their misery, and abject example for all to disavow that type of behavior.
Paddy O
November 16th, 2011
10:09 am
Liberals look at problems in the macro, and thus rationalize spending huge sums of $$ to improve those macro statistics minutely. They also REFUSE to assign to an individual accountability for their decisions (thus LBJ’s Great Society blamed society for disenfranchisement & exploitation of the poor, thus resulting in their condition – this is a grossly false premise, as 4 decades of “assistance” has woefully proven). Most of poverty today is self induced.
clem
November 16th, 2011
10:10 am
apparently, newt has bad memory too about 1.6 million he got from freddie mac for history lessons…..geez
he has more baggage than a cruise ship
Married for life
November 16th, 2011
10:13 am
Mudfoot–I’m a liberal but I’m glad when liberals and conservatives both agree that government intrusion in personal decisions should be kept from happening. Education and choice should always be paramount in government policymaking idealogies.
Mudfoot
November 16th, 2011
10:16 am
Denial of the fact that some humans just aren’t as responsible as others, some bordering on being sociopaths. The fact that policing these people is not nearly as simple or financially feasible as you seem to believe. Denial of the fact that we can’t cut off the penis’ of other humans for being deadbeats (tho my mother’s oft-repeated line of “keep it in your pants or I’ll rip it off” had great effect, not everyone has my mother at home) The fact that outlawing abortion will create many, many more children who suffer the horrible life you describe. Denial of the fact that in some cases not being born in the first place is best overall for all involved including the child. Denial of the fact that the “family values” party cares nought for families or children if they are not entirely self-supporting and views these people as lesser beings. The fact that this is not your body, your family or your life you speak of and subsequently you have no right to interfere (especially if you’re a “keep gov’t out of our lives” republican).
I work with these people every week. I KNOW some of them. I see with my own eyes that most are people who truly want to improve their lives and those of their children. I am also aware that there are those who work the system and get far too much gov’t aid relative to the effort they put forth to better themselves, I’m just not willing to write-off the entirety of poor people because of that… I can’t justify that in my mind and dismiss this large group of people as worthless and irrelevant like many so-called “compassionate conservatives” I know do. I read and hear these generalized stereotypes and the derision they offer and have to wonder whether those offering such judgements have ever met any of these people they’re so quick to label and dismiss. I believe if they had they would not be so quick to judge
Mudfoot
November 16th, 2011
10:26 am
MFL
I’m a mongrel regarding political views and I agree with your posted statement
double
November 16th, 2011
10:31 am
TD,GM,BM you all sound same to me.
td
November 16th, 2011
10:46 am
Mudfoot
November 16th, 2011
10:16 am
Denial of the fact that some humans just aren’t as responsible as others
Responsibility will not happen without expectations and consequences for failure to comply. What expectations do we set for the poor? What are the consequences for making poor decisions and what do we do for failure to comply with the rules? My children are not motivated to make good grades in school but they know that is my expectation and there are consequences for failure to comply with my expectation.
I too have worked with the poor. I know what is allowed and what is not allowed and I can tell you setting expectations is not allowed. Enforcing conseuences is not allowed.
“Denial of the fact that we can’t cut off the penis’ of other humans for being deadbeats”
This is probably a little harsh but we could do it if we (the people) had the will too. Vasectomy and tube tying is surely not impossible for parents who choose not to take care of children they create. I have talked to and heard the most liberal people in the world that agree with this one.
“The fact that outlawing abortion will create many, many more children who suffer the horrible life you describe.”
Not if there was the expectation set that children would be cared for and there were consequences for not caring for your children. Only when we do not have expectations is when your statement is true.
“Denial of the fact that the “family values” party cares nought for families or children”
I will submit that setting expectations and having consequences is a purer form of love and caring then to just provide for the poor. A loving parent will not just provide for a child without setting the expectations for them to be a better human being.
“The fact that this is not your body, your family or your life you speak of and subsequently you have no right to interfere”
If you come into a government office and have an expectation of the government taking care of you then you do have to follow the rules the government sets. This is the liberal ideal that has forced all these millions of fellow Americans to live in hopelessness for more than 50 years now.
John
November 16th, 2011
10:55 am
All of us in Floyd County are thankful that we will not be in either legislator’s district from now on.
Mudfoot
November 16th, 2011
11:04 am
td
On most points I will agree to disagree, but I have to ask who decides who gets castrated?
mum
November 16th, 2011
11:05 am
Why are you men insinuating yourselves into our wombs anyway? Men have limited involvement in the entire process but they want to call the shots. The old geezers who are pushing this also have a very negative view about progressive women.
Paddy O
November 16th, 2011
11:09 am
And Obama was intentionally, desperately, baggage free. How is that possible? Supreme manipulation of the press?
Paddy O
November 16th, 2011
11:12 am
mudfoot – your mimicing of the all knowing supreme being is comical. You also appear to be either communist or socialist. Why is the gov’t responsible for the conduct of the governed, regardless of that individuals’ ineptitude? To keep ivory tower liberals from seeing that side of humanity in their Utopia?
Paddy O
November 16th, 2011
11:15 am
mum – progressive women push for the murder of the innocent for convenience (and to cover immorality). Why would I NOT have a negative view of someone so utterly evil?
Paddy O
November 16th, 2011
11:16 am
John – you mention fact not in evidence.
mum
November 16th, 2011
11:34 am
@PaddyO, a progressive women to me is any woman who is willing to speak-up and defend herself. We’ve come a long way from barefoot and pregnant because the man had all the “rights”.
SerratedTeeth
November 16th, 2011
4:54 pm
Is a bowl of batter a cake? Is an acorn a tree? Is an egg a chicken? No. And an embryo is not a person in the very same manner.
“Life begins at conception” is a purely religious belief, using the Bible as it’s base despite the book never mentioning it. When will Republicans/Pro-lifers grasp the concept that pro-choice does -not- equal pro-abortion. Pro-choice does -not- equal anti-life. The argument of Pro-lifers is based entirely on the morality of the act. The Pro-choice side bases its argument solely on the woman’s -right- to choose what happens with her body. It is not my place, or any one else’s place to dictate to her what she can or cannot do regarding events related to her own body. Right or wrong, agree or disagree, it doesn’t matter. She’s got the right to choose.
SerratedTeeth
November 16th, 2011
5:06 pm
@Paddy O, The fact you think women get abortions merely as a convenience shows a level of ignorance beyond reasoning. Might I recommend finding some post-abortion support sites (since “abortion” and “support” are so close together and I don’t want you thinking these sites are pro-abortion, so I’ll clarify it as meaning neutral sites that allow women to discuss their decision, action, and help them cope) and reading their stories? I guarantee you won’t find a single one who saw the positive result on her pregnancy test and decided on a whim, “Well, I’m going out for errands today anyway, might as well swing by the local abortion clinic while I’m waiting to pick up the dry cleaning.”
Your Prefiled Legislation | Blog for Democracy
November 16th, 2011
5:16 pm
[...] At Power Forward, coming in at 6′ 8″, fresh off of a hysterical loss in Mississippi, it’s the Bi-Partisan Bill from Hell– The Georgia Personhood Measure [...]
Intown
November 16th, 2011
6:02 pm
Folks, even Mississippi rejected this silly personhood amendment. What a waste of time!
Beverly
November 16th, 2011
6:50 pm
It’s pretty pathetic that the human race has gone backwards in intelligence (in this country).. we are inches from being apes again. Pretty much there already for the xtian south.
People who believe something SMALLER than this >>>——-> . is a person.. something so small you can’t see it with the human eye, they think that micro-entity is a person is stunningingly ignorant.
It is beyond laughable and pathetic these ignorants care so much about what goes on inside a woman’s wound and want to control it, yet once a baby is born they don’t care if it’s fed, educated, lives in a safe environment, finds adoptive parents if needed.
These lumps have no brains, no conscience, they are completely brainwashed unthinking wastes of space.
Beverly
November 16th, 2011
6:53 pm
“womb” not “wound” ^^^^
Zygote "Personhood" Heading to Georgia | The Militant Left
November 16th, 2011
6:55 pm
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Dinosaurs roamed the Earth 6000 years ago
November 16th, 2011
8:19 pm
I guess life begins at erection.
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November 16th, 2011
8:27 pm
Neanderthals alive and thriving in Georgia . . . well who didn’t know that?
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Cowboy
November 17th, 2011
9:13 am
How did we ever get ourselves in this pro life/pro choice situation? I’m confused. Who started this?
Catholic Psychdoc
November 17th, 2011
11:31 am
Corporations are persons under the law–but an unborn human being is not? Every time this issue comes up, we start hearing so many stupid things from the Pro-abortion side. I have always contended that one needed to be intelligent to be pro-life! One has to know biology, medicine, philosophy, the Law of Biogenesis, legislation. One starts with a handicap when all one can do is talk about women’s choice to kill a human being in the womb or a “fertilized egg” which doesn’t exist when the discussion of personhood comes up. As for me, Personhood for NOW and ALWAYS.
GALocal
November 17th, 2011
7:25 pm
So would masturbation be considered reckless abandonment under the law?
Weekend Reading, Volume 6 — Uphold Liberty
November 18th, 2011
7:06 am
[...] in Georgia, Rick Crawford, a House Democrat is sponsoring a personhood amendment. I’m encouraged to see somebody standing up for life, even when it’s not always the [...]
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November 18th, 2011
8:56 am
[...] to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s Jim Galloway his reasoning behind working on rolling back women’s [...]
SallyForth
November 19th, 2011
10:01 pm
How misguided – everybody knows that “life” begins at erection. These guys need to come up with something to address that and get men under control, instead of worrying about a woman’s uterus.
Another wrinkle they need to consider: Some fertilized eggs attach to the uterine wall, some don’t. The womb itself destroys millions of fertilized eggs every year. If you follow the reasoning of these guys, God is the greatest killer of all. Me thinks they’d better leave God’s territory alone, don’t try to substitute themselves for the Almighty.
SallyForth
November 19th, 2011
10:07 pm
Another thing – if they deem a fertilized egg a person, are they going to prosecute women for all those that do not attach to the uterine wall and “die”?