Your morning jolt: Barack Obama down to 38 percent in Georgia
When she was in town last week, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, declared that her party wouldn’t concede any territory in next year’s presidential contest.
But according to a poll released Thursday by InsiderAdvantage and Channel 2 Action News, to declare Georgia in competition would be something of a stretch – at least for now.
While he won 47 percent of the vote in Georgia in 2008, President Barack Obama’s current fan base is 38 percent, according to the survey. And 54 percent of voters said they would vote for any Republican – from Mitt Romney to Michele Bachmann, and anyone in between.
Writes IA’s Matt Towery:
Independent voters support any GOP nominee over Obama by a 49%-to-38% margin. Democrats are at a 79% support level for the president, with Republicans at nearly 90% for any GOP nominee.
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The 1858 debates between Abraham Lincoln and Stephen Douglas for an Illinois seat in the U.S. Senate are famous for crystallizing the arguments behind the Civil War.
Speeches were carried in newspapers across the country. Thousands flocked to hear the pair. And didn’t pay a dime for the entertainment.
The Nov. 5 attempt by Georgia GOP presidential candidates Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich to recreate this style of discourse earned these paragraphs in today’s Wall Street Journal:
The verbiage may be weightier, but so will the entry fee.
Bleacher seating at the Gingrich/Cain debate, hosted by the Texas Tea Party Patriots at the Woodlands Resort in Houston, costs a cool $200. The next step up, the $500 ticket, gets you “prime seating” and a ticket to the “Nite Cap party after the Debate,” says the group’s website. And for the really high rollers, $1,000 will get you “the best seating in the house for the debate” and “a professional picture taken with the candidates.”
Rumors that Matthew Brady will be resurrected to record the event have been proven unfounded.
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Last week, a U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland, R-Coweta County, weary of the constant fund-raising that a seat in Congress requires, told supporters and lobbyist friends in an e-mail that he would try an experiment – one large fund-raiser a quarter, rather than four or five small one.
Westmoreland got into some hot water by including some paragraphs that guaranteed contributors face-time with the congressman. Even so, his letter has prompted a discussion. At least on the liberal side of D.C. From the National Journal:
Following a controversial proposal from Rep. Lynn Westmoreland to reduce the number of fundraisers he throws, the Progressive Policy Institute has come out with its own idea to slow the fundraising carousel — a “fundraising quiet period.”
In a policy brief released today, PPI executive director Lindsay Mark Lewis calls for banning fundraising for House members until the second session of Congress and making senators wait until year five of their terms before raising money. He argues that it would relieve legislators from constantly thinking about their next elections and improve relationships on the Hill.
The ban would be enforced by ethics rules and would be constitutional, Lewis argues, because it does not curtail anyone’s ability to contribute, but only limits lawmakers’ ability to accept donations. The ban would also have the practical effect of moving primaries until later in the year to give lawmakers more time to fundraise.
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
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td
October 28th, 2011
10:35 am
It is time for our daily Educational service announcement:
If you are a Democrat in Georgia planning on just coming out next year to vote for Obama then let is be known that your vote will not be counted. The poll above just re enforces the fact that all 16 votes for Georgia will be given to the Republican nominee. There will be 0 votes from Georgia recorded for Obama.
td
October 28th, 2011
10:43 am
I like the idea of a real debate that Newt and Herman is attempting. Instead of sound bites you actually will have a chance to listen to the candidates delve into their philosophy and learn how their philosophical views are interpreted into policy decisions. I would love to see this carry to the general election but I know I am dreaming with that idea.
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
10:44 am
Td you a idiot
Eli
October 28th, 2011
10:45 am
Be it also known, that if you are a republican, your vote is unlikely to be counted as well. As soon as Mitt Romney gets one more vote than Obama (which will happen when 70% of votes are processed) the value of your vote depreciates. Your votes will be superfluous and unnecessary.
Mind you this as well, because GA is too closed minded to consider a Democrat at large (statewide that is) it lessens both campaigns incentives to spend money in GA. So I ask the following question (in the spirit of conservative talk radio everywhere):
Why do you hate Georgia so much?
Mark
October 28th, 2011
10:45 am
@ Independent Voter
Everyone on here knows that now
Centrist
October 28th, 2011
10:46 am
Mr. Jim Galloway, thanks for the very tardy token admission of the well known fact that Georgia is not going to be in play for the 2012 presidential contest.
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
10:46 am
Td nobody call me to ask me to do a survey I think they contact the republican district.
President Obama going to win Georgia look at the candidates who running even Newt is talking about how people are leaving the republican party because of the bickering.
Danny O
October 28th, 2011
10:48 am
td, you’re probably right. But the presidential race is not the only one on the ticket.
Which begs the question: Is the all-or-nothing state-by-state electoral college the best way to go? It essentially means that in most years Democratic votes in Georgia are worthless, and Republican votes in California are worthless. What if we reformed the system so that each state was only worth two electoral votes, and all the other votes came from individual congressional districts (one per district)?
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
10:49 am
Goergia is a corrupt states and Nathan Deal said he wouldnt bring Casino to GA to create 1 billion revenue that tell you about the republican party.
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
10:51 am
Nathan Deal can use tax paying money to go China and bring these toxic company to Georgia that poison our people.
td
October 28th, 2011
10:59 am
Danny O
October 28th, 2011
10:48 am
I understand the reasoning behind the framers electing our president through the electoral college process. Is there room for improvement? probably. Each state now has two votes to represent their Senators and it is stated plainly in the Constitution that the states can divide their votes anyway they want too. Maine and NE. already split their votes by House of Reps district and the two additional votes go to the winner of the state as a whole. I would not support GA. going to a different system until CA, NY and Texas did it first.
Retired Solider
October 28th, 2011
11:00 am
Danny-
States already have that option, look at Neb. and Maine. PA. is looking at that too. I like the winner take all but change can be done if the legislature so desires.
td
October 28th, 2011
11:05 am
Danny O
October 28th, 2011
10:48 am
td, you’re probably right. But the presidential race is not the only one on the ticket
There is no where in my post that I said anyone should not come out and vote. I am just giving a public service announcement to the Democrats whose only reason to vote is for President that their votes will not be counted. These people now have every right to come out and waste their time and effort to vote for Obama.
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
11:07 am
Td you told me dont vote because it doesnt count
Clarence Lothian
October 28th, 2011
11:08 am
This poll in Geogia is totally rubbish and mean nothing to Obama and is chance of re-election. Indeed, Georgia did not voted for Obama in 2008, the year of the first African American candidacy for President, and the state which the late Doctor King made a difference to the civil liberty movement which many take for granted today.
Agee
October 28th, 2011
11:09 am
The classic article Math Against Tyranny, by Will Hively, (http://discovermagazine.com/2004/sep/math-against-tyranny) describes Alan Natapoff’s discovery of the mathematical proof that the Electoral College gives each voter more power than the highly flawed popular vote would. America-haters smell victory close, and hope that destroying the Electoral College can help hasten the downfall of the Republic, but there are many informed Americans who will fight their attempts!
SAJ
October 28th, 2011
11:13 am
The people of Georgia get it – Obama needs to be defeated. A president is supposed to lead not use the office to fly to all points on AF1 doing what he likes to do – campaign. Obama is useless because he will not seriously attack the problems we face. What he is doing now is not leading but trying to convince us we should give him another four years. If he is successful, America will experience a lost decade with nothing to show for Obama’s time in office but a broken economy and a nation in decline.
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
11:15 am
Republicans know they dont have a chance winning so they want to take away voting rights.
Georgia is losing so much respect people are watching this state fallen apart.
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
11:16 am
SAJ why you bashing the president answer my question what have the republican done to help this country.
Sammy
October 28th, 2011
11:17 am
I cannot wait for a Republican President! No more regulations, no more health care, no more clean water, more dirty oil, and our homeless elderly living on the street begging for their next meal! That Social Security is such a ponzi scheme! I cannot wait!!!!
Don't Tread
October 28th, 2011
11:22 am
“Barack Obama down to 38 percent in Georgia”
But fear not; he has a 97% approval rating in Fulton and Dekalb.
Chuck Doberman
October 28th, 2011
11:25 am
Gee, Georgia’s collective mind is closed to anyone except republicans? Wow this is a surprise! Next thing you tell me is that Elton John is Gay.
TD, going to vote simply to cancel out your vote will be good enough for me
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
11:26 am
2008 the polls said that president Obama will not win the election but what happen he won. Who cares what the polls say it is not accurate.
Danny O
October 28th, 2011
11:27 am
@ td and Retired Soldier:
I can understand not wanting Georgia to split up electoral votes into districts until other states do the same. I’m sure voters in CA would feel the same. How about an amendment to the US Constitution mandating such?
Mark
October 28th, 2011
11:33 am
@ td
The Democrats only reason for voting is to vote for the POTUS
It amazes me how you become more and more insane with your comments each day. You must smoke some good Meth dude!
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
11:36 am
Mark your friend Td is a idiot
Chuck Doberman
October 28th, 2011
11:38 am
@SAJ
We’ve already lost a decade under the leadership of GW Bush and his republican cohorts. I know, I know, NONE of our present situation is a reflection on conservative policy cuz everything was grand in America when Bush left office and EVERYTHING bad that’s happened since is directly due to the foreign-born Kenyan marxist who hates America and wishes us to become the next muslim state, right? Unfunded wars, medicare part D, deregulation and tax cuts for our wealthiest had absolutely nothing to do with today’s economy, and if we just elect another “conservative” (roflmao – a 5 year old with his first $50 inside his favorite toy store is more conservative in truth and actions than the Bush administration was) as president all will be roses and puppy-dog tails. All of the candidates have made it crystal clear that they will give us more of the same crap that got us deep in the hole today – more wealth to the wealthy and eff the rest of us… we can wait to be trickled on.
Denial must be awesome cuz it’s taken over the GOP
findog
October 28th, 2011
11:38 am
well according to td’s assumption the President is already up to 38% from his starting point of zero
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
11:42 am
For Georgia to be a red (republican) state he doing great job for his poll to be 38%.
Retired Solider
October 28th, 2011
11:44 am
Danny-
I would be opposed for three reasons. First the Electoral College is uniquely American and I want to keep what our founding fathers created. Second, it would reduce the possible attention smaller states receive now, i.e. states like Nevada, New Mexico or Colo because they are swing states. The last reason is as I stated above states can do it now, so a constitutional amendment is not needed.
SAJ
October 28th, 2011
11:46 am
Chuck, you are forgetting one thing – we elect presidents to solve problems. We are worse off today than we were when Obama took office. He has done very litle to ameliorate our problems. You can take issue with Bush, but he has been gone for almost three years. Are we going to give Obama another four years to try to clean up Bush’s mess?
Retired Solider
October 28th, 2011
11:48 am
Chuck-
Let;s agree for a minute that your right, our problems are from Bush. What did Bush do? To much spending, start 2 wars and open Gitmo? What has been the Obama solution? Vastly more spending, expanding one of the two wars and starting a third. Keeping Gitmo open.
Now what was your complaint again?
Sammy
October 28th, 2011
11:49 am
@SAJ
You are forgetting one thing, or not paying attention. Republicans have filibusted and blocked almost every bill that could have helped the economy to make sure that Obama is not reelected. That could be seen as Treason against our country.
Retired Solider
October 28th, 2011
11:52 am
Sammy-
You have forgotten one thing, the senate has not passed a single bill from the House that would have helped the economy. Nor has the senate passed a budget in over two years.
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
11:53 am
SAJ how can the thepressident do anything when the republicans congress vote no on every agenda that Obama put out to help american.
Truth be...
October 28th, 2011
11:56 am
38%? Wow. That must not include Fulton, DeKalb, and Clayton.
Truth be...
October 28th, 2011
12:00 pm
“… how can the thepressident do anything when the republicans congress vote no on every agenda that Obama put out to help american…”
Obama had both a Dem House and Dem House for 2008-2010…what did that accomplish?
SAJ
October 28th, 2011
12:00 pm
Independent Voter: We elect presidents to LEAD not follow. All you guys offer is excuses. There have been plenty of instances in American History where presidents have won victories over an oppostion congress. You either have the ability to lead or you don’t and Obama has no leadership skills. Clinton manage to work with an opposition congress – why can’t Obama?
EJ
October 28th, 2011
12:01 pm
If you are politically abreast of how our country was in a mess before Barack took over, you will vote for him for another term……assess what he has done despite the non cooperation from the Repubs…..project what he will do….how about Hilary Clinton running on his ticket? Come on GA!!!!!
Centrist
October 28th, 2011
12:02 pm
I suggest that this Political Insider column concentrate more on things that are not foregone and of interest to Georgians. We did have a flash in the pan about casinos for a few days until Governor Deal announced he won’t support that. Dead issue,now.
Other dead issues are that Romney will be the Republican presidential nominee, and Georgia’s electoral votes will go to him.
Some live issues concern primary challenges, whether John Barrow will be re-elected, tax reform in Georgia, whether Georgia or the federal government will win the fight over GA immigration law, whether the redistricting will be upheld or have to be re-jiggered. and daily updates on the disjointed “Occupy Atlanta” circus. There are more live issues, but suspect we will be seeing dead horses beaten just as often.
Sammy
October 28th, 2011
12:05 pm
@Retired Solider
Most recently, the American Jobs Act. And no, it did not pass the Republican controlled house. It was filibusted by Republicans in the Senate and did not get the required 60 votes. However, it should not have taken 60 votes. It should only have taken a simple majority. Republicans only agenda is not letting Obama get 4 more years. I do agree that we need a real budget.
Chuck Doberman
October 28th, 2011
12:10 pm
SAJ
I agree, we elect leaders to solve problems. IMO the republican field offered today offers no solutions, just more of the same poor policy that got us in the hole in the first place and will worsen our present situation exponentially. Beyond more tax breaks for those who don’t need them and deregulation, what does the GOP offer? Anything? The answer is an emphatic no, and I for one believe that America’s middle class, reeling as it is from decades of assault by the GOP, can’t take another republican president bent on destroying them. Y’all can deflect, divert, insult, attack… run the whole gambit of today’s GOP m.o. but it won’t change the facts one little bit. Your candidates have nothing to offer except further enriching the already-wealthy (see virtually ALL of their proposals) and paying for it on the backs of the lower classes, the elderly and the unemployed… and if you continue to squeeze the lifeblood out of these groups they will either rebel or join those Americans presently below poverty-level incomes.
Teddy Roosevelt
October 28th, 2011
12:12 pm
The part about the fundraising quiet period that bothers me is I think it unfairly punishes the incumbent. While he cannot raise money during those periods there is nothing stopping his opponent from raising funds for his campaign. That being said, I think something needs to be fixed so that Congressmen spend more time legislating and less time campaigning.
Dusty
October 28th, 2011
12:13 pm
Obama adds to our national debt every day. Every effort he has made has increased this debt.
Stimulus=more debt. Results = 0. His new bill = larger debt.
If you want our country in bankruptcy, vote for Obama. People of Georgia are smart enough to know that. Except for a few Democrats.
td
October 28th, 2011
12:17 pm
Danny O
October 28th, 2011
11:27 am
@ td and Retired Soldier:
I can understand not wanting Georgia to split up electoral votes into districts until other states do the same. I’m sure voters in CA would feel the same. How about an amendment to the US Constitution mandating such?
I am not opposed to the idea but any Constitutional amendment has to be approved by 3/4 of the states and I can not see the large states giving up their power and wanting every district in the country to be equal. Can you?
td
October 28th, 2011
12:20 pm
Mark
October 28th, 2011
11:33 am
@ td
The Democrats only reason for voting is to vote for the POTUS
It amazes me how you become more and more insane with your comments each day. You must smoke some good Meth dude
Please enlighten me and all the blog readers about what have I said is insane? Is it because all 16 votes will be cast for the Republican nominee?
Chuck Doberman
October 28th, 2011
12:21 pm
@Retired Soldier
My complaint is that once you look past the bluff and bluster, insults and outright hatred the republican candidates only answer to our present situation is more of the same fiscal policy that put us in the hole. Believe me, I’m not one that will tell you that Obama does no wrong and that the Democratic party is free of corruption. Certainly Obama can do better. Just as certain is the fact that he at least tried to work across the aisle (save your objections as we both know it is true) and has moved well to the center (or had) in an attempt to come to an agreemnet, but that wasn’t good enough for today’s GOP “leaders” who will accept no less than everything they want… including nothing for the other side.
Simply put, trickle down barely works during good times as illustrated by the ever-expanding wage desparity over the past 30 years. When the trickle is completely shut off as it has been for a few years now the system is totally dysfunctional. Continuing this joke of a fiscal policy will only cause more suffering and sacrifice by those who are already sacrificing and suffering greatly as our wealthiest citizens enjoy record level incomes. This is a roadmap to disaster
honested
October 28th, 2011
12:21 pm
matt towery never avoids any opportunity to be wrong.
What else would we expect.
Obama 2012
October 28th, 2011
12:22 pm
Why is this news, how a deep south state voted for a Democrat since Clinton? Before that, Carter? Even Gore could not win his home state of Tennessee. I believe the Democrats already have SC to MS in the red column and that did not prevent a win in ‘08.
td
October 28th, 2011
12:22 pm
findog
October 28th, 2011
11:38 am
well according to td’s assumption the President is already up to 38% from his starting point of zero
Will that 38% of the vote from Georgia be counted for Obama in next years election?
Sammy
October 28th, 2011
12:22 pm
You do know that while the national debt is growing larger under Obama, it is mostly because of Bush policies, right? Unpaid prescription drug program, Iraq, Afghanistan, and tax cuts are adding more to our debt everyday than a onetime stimulus bill did that saved countless jobs. Obama should have let the tax cuts expire on everyone. I am nowhere near the top one percent, but I do not believe our debt should shoot up any higher.
Chuck Doberman
October 28th, 2011
12:27 pm
“If you want our country in bankruptcy, vote for Obama. People of Georgia are smart enough to know that. Except for a few Democrats”
Ah yes, that would explain Ga having the largest desparity regarding wages in the nation, piss-poor education and crumbling outdated infrastructure… cause folks “round here is so bright.
Here’s a quicker easier way to bankrupt the country:
Elect whatever puppet the GOP nominates, let him continue the assault on our working class people to the point where THEY are bankrupt = the death of the American Dream and our present way of life. Without the middle-class your wealthy idols will be toast as well if they stay, which they won’t. Those that can afford moving out of the country will at that point, simply to escape the poverty and subsequent anarchy
BILLY MAYS HERE
October 28th, 2011
12:34 pm
I don’t know why Georgians hate Obama, he’s quite a Republican.
td
October 28th, 2011
12:36 pm
Chuck Doberman
October 28th, 2011
12:27 pm
Are you upset about wages people make in the private sector or are you upset about our budgets and spending? If am not totally sure what you want changed but let me guess.
You want the government to raise taxes on the rich because you are poor?
You want to have government controls on wages so that the government decides what someone should make?
You want the government to spend more on education, welfare programs and provide free healthcare to everyone?
td
October 28th, 2011
12:37 pm
Chuck Doberman
October 28th, 2011
12:27 pm
Please define working class person? What do they do for a living? What are there wages?
Old Democrat
October 28th, 2011
12:38 pm
Obama won before without Georgia and he will win again. Therefore, there is no reason for anybody to vote either Democrat or Republican since it won’t matter. True?
Shine
October 28th, 2011
12:39 pm
A note to all any GOP voters. Obama will win the electoral college and none of your votes will count.
BILLY MAYS HERE
October 28th, 2011
12:41 pm
>> Don’t reply to td, you only legitimize him if you do. <<
td
October 28th, 2011
12:44 pm
Shine
October 28th, 2011
12:39 pm
A note to all any GOP voters. Obama will win the electoral college and none of your votes will count.
So untrue. If Obama wins then the record will show that 16 votes were cast for the Republican nominee, none of the Democratic votes will be recorded as a vote for Obama.
BILLY MAYS HERE
October 28th, 2011
12:45 pm
>> For real do not reply to td, if everyone ignores him he will go away <<
honested
October 28th, 2011
12:46 pm
How long have repugs had a stranglehold on GA Government?
What has been the direction on employment, household wealth, educational achievement during that time?
Do you dislike the President so much because you are confused about the definition of PROGRESS?
td
October 28th, 2011
12:46 pm
BILLY MAYS HERE
October 28th, 2011
12:41 pm
>> Don’t reply to td, you only legitimize him if you do. <<
Please point out anything I have said that is untrue? What is wrong are you not man enough to handle the truth? Do you not have a big enough set to debate your philosopy or do you have the intellectual capibility to debate it?
honested
October 28th, 2011
12:48 pm
In the General Election there will likely be two candidates for each Congressional seat and most seats for the General Assembly.
If you would like to see the ‘bullet to the bottom effect’ turn around, pick the candidate with a ‘D’ by his or her name in all of the above categories.
Then, regardless of electoral votes, you will have voted to end the madness.
joe
October 28th, 2011
12:49 pm
38…..and falling!!! Anyone but Obama in 2012.
BILLY MAYS HERE
October 28th, 2011
12:50 pm
lol it’s funny when Democrats pretend their politicians are any better than Republicans
Truth be...
October 28th, 2011
12:51 pm
td
They can’t attack your message, so all they can do is attack you personally.Typical.
Teddy Roosevelt
October 28th, 2011
12:52 pm
honested do you actually believe that we are making PROGRESS, or is that just another talking point like HOPE and CHANGE that mean absolutely nothing?
Bert
October 28th, 2011
12:52 pm
Seeing as how you have the fringe left upset with Obama, independents upset, and the Republicans have no love for the man, it is not rocket science to figure out this 38% is about right. I’m waiting for an ad to go up saying “I am the 38% that still thinks the man in bed with Wall Street is still about Main Street. I am the 38% who think the man against war and nationbuilding is not really escalating wars in Libya, Yemen, Pakistan, Uganda, and now placing a Predator base in Ethiopia.” So on and so forth. This guy is a joke. His own party that controls the Senate is not even on board with him. All he can do is divide America. He’s a student of Alinsky that agitates and provokes division, bitterness, distrust, hatred. He pits sides against each other. He makes cute speeches and then sits back and watches the bitterness fester. This man is counter to everything he ran on in 2008 and is doing more to provoke a fractured society than any other president. Get a grip America. This guy put small holes in the side of the ship and is watching it sink. We’re too busy fighting with each other to realize it.
Shine
October 28th, 2011
12:52 pm
td…yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
td
October 28th, 2011
12:53 pm
Old Democrat
October 28th, 2011
12:38 pm
Obama won before without Georgia and he will win again. Therefore, there is no reason for anybody to vote either Democrat or Republican since it won’t matter. True?
Obama could win again. It is a little to early to make tat prediction one way or the other. It all depends on the economy, if the African Americans and the youth are as motivated to come and vote for him again, how motivated the Tea Party and the social conservatives are to get to the polls and the most important thing is if the white suburban women believe he could really make changes in the next 4 years or if it will be 4 more years of gridlock knowing that the Republicans will not only control the house but also the Senate ofter next year?
BILLY MAYS HERE
October 28th, 2011
12:55 pm
>> Casual reminder: DON’T REPLY TO TD <<
Shine
October 28th, 2011
12:57 pm
GOPers in Ga is mad the Iraq invasion is all but kapoot and they may have to get a real job now rather than living off them military provided contracts. LMAO! Defense Budget cuts will put a stop to some of the 700 billion welfare going to Republicans!! LMAO!
Bert
October 28th, 2011
12:57 pm
honested – do you really think trading one evil for another will ‘end the madness’? America did that in 2006 and it got us deeper in the hole. We tried that again in 2010. Your suggestion is not only behind the times but proven failure. Next bright idea?
Teddy Roosevelt
October 28th, 2011
12:58 pm
Shine are you trying to mock someone or really just that illiterate?
Truth be...
October 28th, 2011
12:59 pm
“…Budget cuts will put a stop to some of the 700 billion welfare going to Republicans!!…”
As opposed to the “not so shovel ready” $800 Billion Stimulus boondoggle.
Bert
October 28th, 2011
1:00 pm
Shine – I hate to break it to you but some of those big government defense contracts go to some of the bluest areas of the country. Again, ignorance is bliss with someone on the Left. The contracts don’t end because BOTH sides are cashing in on them. But people like you who are so blinded by your partisan hate care not to see your own side is corrupt and digging into the cookie jar as well.
Charles
October 28th, 2011
1:02 pm
Obama is useless because he will not seriously attack the problems we face. What he is doing now is not leading but trying to convince us we should give him another four years. If he is successful, America will experience a lost decade with nothing to show for Obama’s time in office but a broken economy and a nation in decline.
+++++++
From their graves in hell I think that Mommar, Osama bin Laden, and Anwar al-Awlaki would beg to differ. My guess is that before it’s all over there will be plenty more things to add to this President’s plus column in spite of constant Republican opposition and their desire to make him a one-term President.
oldfart
October 28th, 2011
1:03 pm
The Democrats are missing the boat on a golden opportunity to exploit a chink in the Republican armor.
● The Republicans were foolish enough to jump on the Bush Federal teat for HOT lanes as a source of revenue that doesn’t have the outward appearance of raising taxes.
● They were foolish enough to start it in the mostly tacit Republican stronghold of Gwinnett County.
● They were foolish enough to use a lane of I85 that had already been paid for by the taxpayers for another purpose.
● They were foolish enough to openly admit that the HOT lane “solution” for metro Atlanta with an ultimate cost of 16 to 30 BILLION dollars is not going to diminish overall traffic congestion one iota.
● They were foolish to settle on a Jannine Miller et al inspired “electronic barrier” solution that is guaranteed to increase overall traffic congestion and will in the end require a bureaucracy the size of Rhode Island to administer.
● They were foolish enough to renege on campaign promises and continue the GA400 toll so that Gena Evans’ little splinter fiefdom called SRTA will keep its cash cow for the little day to day incidentals. Butter and egg money don’t you know.
● They are foolish enough to think that Gwinnett taxpayers having been treated to the HOT lane “service” will go to the polls and approve TSPLOST for what they claim is relief for the metro area’s traffic congestion. This is akin to the prostitute paying the john for the servicing.
There is a real grass roots movement afoot in Gwinnett and it is not just from the fringe elements. It is from the previous Republican base. Sure they are hoping that the clamor will die down. Deal attempted to mollify by slashing prices to loss leader status before darting off to China and usage will increase out of necessity by some. The hope is that the uproar will die and the cattle will go back to lowing.
The rest of you should take heed. Are you waiting for your own ox to be gored? Wait until this fiasco hits I75 from Cobb? 285? 400 out of Forsyth? The Connector? I’ll say it again. Democrats you are missing a golden opportunity here. People who label themselves true fiscal conservatives, where are you?
The most equitable road use tax is the Motor Fuel Excise Tax plain and simple. Want to drive a guzzling SUV? That is how you pay for the privilege. Not driving down a lane that you are using for pennies on the dollar vs its real cost to all of us. Nor is it equitable to add a 1¢ sales tax across the board on items totally unrelated to transportation. Of course, nor is it equitable to use a GDOT that in its entire history has not been equitable in its distribution of the fruits of those taxes to the area where they are the most heavily collected but we will leave that alone for now.
Sammy
October 28th, 2011
1:06 pm
@Bert
Maybe you should do some reading on why we sent troops into Uganda, and see how big “joke” he really is for doing that. Do you really have any clue why we are there without going to google?
Bert
October 28th, 2011
1:08 pm
Charles – are you seriously crediting Obama for Gaddafi? Wow. The streak of ignorance is overwhelming on this topic today. Obama was along for the ride on that deal. France of all countries took the lead. Obama wanted a pass but knew he needed to save face. He jumped in the back seat in case things went badly.
As for Osama and al Awlaki, it didn’t take a genius to say ‘go’ for both of them. In fact it would have been stupid to say anything else. And I do think it funny that Mr. No Nation Building/Come Back Home only has foreign policy for positives. He came in on helping the home front – he failed there and Mr. Nobel Peace Prize has dead people and regime toppling to his credit. Fitting that Obama has the Bush Doctrine as the only thing going for him. If he wants to run on touting the Bush Doctrine, by all means….proceed.
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1:10 pm
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Bert
October 28th, 2011
1:14 pm
Sammy – actually I have a far more in depth knowledge of the situation than I would bet you do. But for the guy who is all about getting out of the nation building experience, this is far peculiar. Bush was ‘evil’ for toppling tyrants while the poor here suffered. How many billions will be spent on this operation? Or the escalation in Pakistan? Or the escalation in Somalia? Or building military bases in Ethiopia? For a guy who said this would not happen under his watch, he sure is lying…or stupid.
I know you are trying to make him ‘noble’ for doing this…but look at the pattern. More and more nations are being added here. While some troops come home, he keeps sending them elsewhere. More and more funds go to these other nations. While cuts come here and the income levels here split even more, your guy keeps spending billions doing what he said he would not do. Hope and change seems to work better overseas rather than here. While Libyans are dancing and rejoicing, Americans are losing their homes and jobs. How’s that working for you?
Southern Comfort
October 28th, 2011
1:20 pm
The part about the fundraising quiet period that bothers me is I think it unfairly punishes the incumbent. While he cannot raise money during those periods there is nothing stopping his opponent from raising funds for his campaign.
There’s an easy way around that. Just go with 100% public-funded campaigns. You can take care of a few issues with one remedy. Public funding only will remove outside money that tends to corrupt politicians and do away with the “pay to play” type cronyism that we see. By using public money, the candidate is given a set amount and has to show budgeting skills to run an effective campaign on a set budget. Also, by having a set budget, you can set a time limit for campaigns which would do away with the 2 year campaigns that we are blasted with now. That would leave the incumbent with more time to do their actual job as opposed to campaigning.
honested
October 28th, 2011
1:21 pm
bert and teddy r.,
My question was essentially about GA politics.
What party has been in control of the continuous downward spiral on most every metric of civilization since 2003?
Is it not madness to give them a free pass and put them back in control again?
findog
October 28th, 2011
1:22 pm
Those who don’t like td’s daily education service announcement do not understand marketing
He hopes to turn any moderate or liberal thinking of voting for the president into the Vogons after being hit with by the depressed robot with the empathy gun; too depressed to go out and vote
td
October 28th, 2011
1:22 pm
If one is half as intelligent as me, then they will understand how important it is for GOP members to wear dirty underwear over their heads for an entire week. They already sniff poop all day anyways, so why not contribute dirty underwear so that they can put over their heads. Do not forget to poke little holes for breathing and seeing. To start this movement, I will be at Woodruff Park today collecting underwear until 4 p.m. Hope to see y’all there!!!
Shine
October 28th, 2011
1:25 pm
Bert Bert Bert, wasnt talking about the rest of the country. Was talking about Ga. I guess the Republican voters here who have been living the life on them military contracts can always pick blueberries next year.. LMAO! Imagine if a base or two closes and we dont have these outsiders who call military base home screwing elections up for the locals. LMAO!!
honested
October 28th, 2011
1:25 pm
oldfart,
But gee do we have a lot of large new empty roads to nowhere south of Macon.
Routing metro area traffic to them has proven to be a bit difficult.
Bert
October 28th, 2011
1:27 pm
honested – you’re a little shortsighted if you are stuck on state politics don’t you think? Your standard applies to national politics just as much. Or are you just stuck on the standard only applying to certain political parties? I would hope you would apply the standard across the board. Let’s look at city politics as well. Who has run the city of Atlanta since the Dark Ages? Perhaps the people there need to apply your standard as well. Perhaps DeKalb County government as well?
honested
October 28th, 2011
1:28 pm
Shine,
I almost forgot how much money our two otherwise invisible Senators bring to the state,…….to build unbelievably expensive aircraft……that don’t now and never likely will have a mission.
What an odd way to build ‘national security’.
Truth be...
October 28th, 2011
1:28 pm
Td is a fag, but you gotta love him. It is only important to abolish his kind from local politics. Otherwise, society needs a laughing stock. The more power he gets, the more hateful his messages are going to be, and the more tyranny he will wreak on the average man. Hitler was the same exact way which leaves me wondering…. COULD IT BE?!?! TD IS THE GHOST OF Führer!!!???NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
td
October 28th, 2011
1:29 pm
If one is half as intelligent as me, then they will understand how important it is for GOP members to wear dirty underwear over their heads for an entire week. They already sniff poop all day anyways, so why not contribute dirty underwear so that they can put over their heads. Do not forget to poke little holes for breathing and seeing. To start this movement, I will be at Woodruff Park today collecting underwear until 4 p.m. Hope to see y’all there!!!
DHD
October 28th, 2011
1:31 pm
Seriously? 38% of the people are that ignorant? Wow. I bet most everyone of them went to a government school.
Shine
October 28th, 2011
1:31 pm
honestead, dont forget how much the state gopers gave these deadbeat plane makers in tax breaks either……
Bert
October 28th, 2011
1:33 pm
Shine – ahhh. Like honested, you apply a standard to just certain people and not across the board. Sort of the do as I say not as I do mentality. Maybe you’ll look a little closer at the voting record of the Democrat Congressmen in this state regarding defense spending as well. I know Marshall, Bishop, and Barrow by themselves had a cozy relationship on the defense contract/budget side. You’re a fool if you think Republican voters are the only ones benefitting from defense spending. Step foot inside a plant or a base and talk to some people. People from all walks of life live off of this spending. It does help to get out of Mama’s basement to see the real world before making off base (no pun intended) claims.
Bert
October 28th, 2011
1:34 pm
Again, because Bishop, Marshall, and Barrow NEVER voted for any of these defense bills and spending.
findog
October 28th, 2011
1:35 pm
td, at 38 percent the president is already over 75 percent of the way toward getting that 16 votes
of course the preachers have not brow beat the flock to vote for the GOP nominee yet
wonder how that is going to work with Romney
Centrist, you’re right – let’s talk tax reform in Georgia. We should adopt Cain’s 9-9-9 plan, 9% on general sales, 9% on gas, 9% kickback to the politically connected. It’s simple, it’s balanced, and it’s a proven winner with the GOP electorate who decide everything in Georgia…
Shine
October 28th, 2011
1:36 pm
Berty, no doubt they vote for it. Just funny how the so called “we serious about spending cuts” bunch (price, kingston, etc) cant get enough of that outrageous defense(offense) budget. while whining about this and that they slap themselves on the back for voting for 700 billion plus of idiotic spending every year.
Shine
October 28th, 2011
1:39 pm
Ole Shameless and Isukson voted to keep that millionaire farm subsidy flowing. Should be outlawed completely not just with some millionaire cap. Supply and demand and capitalism and all that jazz ya know?
BILLY MAYS HERE
October 28th, 2011
1:41 pm
>> STOP REPLYING TO TD YALL <<
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
1:42 pm
Who cares what the percentage in Ga but overall president Obama going to win the election.
Democrat and independent voters will vote these idiots republican/teaparty out of the office.
The whole world is going to watch 2012 election.
BILLY MAYS HERE
October 28th, 2011
1:43 pm
Socialism Is The Light
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
1:44 pm
Tell me what the republicans party done to help the economy since yall talking about president Obama done nothing. 4 more years with president Obama.
Bert
October 28th, 2011
1:48 pm
Yes and funny how the Dems who keep claiming they are about bringing the troops home, cutting defense spending, and keeping money here vote against that as well. Again, you’re quick to point out SOME hypocrisy but fail to recognize it is on your side as well. Amazing how you only have a problem with hypocrisy of certain people. I guess you have no issue with Dems voting for these contracts though right? Again, feel free to look up the history of Bishop and Marshall especially. Strange the ‘let’s stop sending money overseas and to defense’ crowd still votes that way. Seems they realize that if they move spending from defense to “shovel full” jobs they put people out on the streets as well. Maybe the people laid off from those defense cuts can find jobs paving roads instead.
Irony
October 28th, 2011
1:50 pm
Obama and his economic team speak and the stock market sinks. Merkel and Sarkozy speak and the stock market goes up 350 points. Foreigners are doing more to help the economy than our own President.
BILLY MAYS HERE
October 28th, 2011
1:55 pm
Irony
October 28th, 2011
1:50 pm
Obama and his economic team speak and the stock market sinks. Merkel and Sarkozy speak and the stock market goes up 350 points. Foreigners are doing more to help the economy than our own President.
Correlation ≠ Causation
US is great b/c of government
October 28th, 2011
1:55 pm
I am gonna vote for the canidate that will pay all bills.
Shine
October 28th, 2011
1:58 pm
yep, stock market aint up but 4000 points under obama in less than three years. what a loser
BILLY MAYS HERE
October 28th, 2011
1:58 pm
Voting only legitimizes our political system.
Shine
October 28th, 2011
2:00 pm
Bert, I dont have a side. I LOATHE both equally. I just hold my nose and support the lesser of the “evils”…..and right now that is democrats.
BILLY MAYS HERE
October 28th, 2011
2:00 pm
The stock market being up 4000 or whatever means nothing, except to the ultra-wealthy.
Irony
October 28th, 2011
2:01 pm
Billy Mays = has no sense of humor.
And for Shine – 4000 point rise = fat cats getting richer while America suffers and no jobs created…so yeah, a loser.
Politi Cal
October 28th, 2011
2:04 pm
What percentage of contributions to the Democratic Party come from much-hated corporations?? Yeah, taht’s what I thought.
Bert
October 28th, 2011
2:04 pm
Irony makes a good point. Seems those wealthy people are getting fatter under this regime. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Strange but wasn’t that what Republicans are accused of fostering? The guy doesn’t mind calling them evil but pulls off to the side and takes their donations doesn’t he? He doesn’t mind giving them contracts either. The list of donors getting sweet government contracts grows as well. Seems both sides like their pot sweeteners don’t they?
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
2:09 pm
Irony: When you got a do nothing congress and the republicans does not like the president. The euro country stick by the prime minister sides and get bill passes but I cant say that about our country. My friends in euro think american are so racist that they dont like president Obama because he’s black.
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
2:15 pm
I dont understand this why would the republican party tell president Obama he a one term president on his first day.
My friends in Euro always ask me that question about how bad the republican party treat they own president.
Bert
October 28th, 2011
2:18 pm
IV – they do not stick by their PM’s side. Sarkosy and Merkel both have already suffered in local elections and will do so nationally as well. See Cameron’s own party completely walk out on him as well. You may need to check with your Euro friends on the actual reality on the ground. Elections there counter your claim. As for ‘do nothing Congress’ where is that charismatic leadership from 2008? Speeches not working anymore? He had full control of Congress. His weakness was throwing an idea out there and giving full control to Reid and Pelosi. Right away on the healthcare issue he neutered himself. His own party saw him as weak. His own party will not even take on his jobs bill. His own party will not even stand with him. The man is an island because of his LACK of leadership. As for the racist assertion, I guess the lack of any ethnicity in leadership in the EU gives them credibility to say America’s racist. You have a biracial president here and the other party has a Black man from the South ahead in the polls. What does any nation in Europe have? Anything outside of the standard race? Please.
Chuck Doberman
October 28th, 2011
2:19 pm
TD
I’m uncertain, but it’s quite likely I’d make you look poor.
No to gov’t control of wages
Yes to more education $
Yes to declaring capital gains as income and taxed as such
As much as you might like it, your labels and stereotypes do not apply
So, other than tax cuts for large coeporations and deregulation (for large corporations) what would you do to address the wage gap and the fact that those with the capital to spend or invest are sitting on it and stifling any recovery?
No to more welfare $
No to gov’t health care
Legally Here
October 28th, 2011
2:23 pm
This might be a “jolt” to Jim Galloway, but it’s a “Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus, but his name is not Barack Obama” to the rest of us.
The hype about Georgia becoming an “in-play state” is propagated by the professionally-paid progressives in Georgia who make their money off of working on left-wing initiatives, and unfortunately for them, those opportunities are few and far between.
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
2:25 pm
I just read the article about the farmers problem in Ga.
EEOC sues South Georgia farm, alleges discrimination against U.S. workers
This way people dont like Georgia because of these racist people running this state.
honested
October 28th, 2011
2:29 pm
bert,
Where do you buy the ‘wrong-wing non-sequitur grab bag’ that you pull all that unrelated nonsense from and pretend it gives a clear focus.
Despite a handful of misguided Democratic votes, there is a clear trail of responsibility about how the Afghan Fiasco was bungled within 18 months and how we were lied into the Iraqi War of Choice.
Not really any doubt or question except for those hiding behind the WMD blinders.
There is no dispute the entire nonsense cost us over 3 trillion for ABSOLUTELY NO RETURN and will no doubt continue to cost us for the next 20 years caring for those who have been damaged.
Blame the handful of DINO’s that went along with the nonsense, that does not change the fact that it was nonsense from day one and will be viewed historically (except maybe in texas public schools) as nonsense and an absolute waste.
As for the pointless weapons systems programs that continued through the whole fiasco and have no purpose or mission today or in the foreseeable future, a pox on all who supported them.
Money would have been better spent on paying street sweepers, at least we would have have clean streets while having the most expensive non-tasked weapons systems in the universe.
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
2:29 pm
Td if president doing a bad job I say run for office you might win because you a teaparty member.
Keep doing this GOP
October 28th, 2011
2:36 pm
Of course , we are to trust a poll from a company whose president used to be a Republican state representative and head of the state party.
Bert
October 28th, 2011
2:44 pm
honested – you might want to do some research on what you refer to as non sequitur.
As for your whole ‘we only have the Iraq War to harp on’ line, I guess you fail to realize that both parties had access to the same info and all jumped on the war bandwagon. So either the Dems on board were 1)stupid or 2)sold out just to save face with a tide moving against anyone in the middle east. Don’t put this solely at the feet of Bush. If you do, you show your ignorance of the system itself.
As for no return, it seems the effects of that have carried over to several nations in the region. Free elections have occurred in places no one dreamed of a decade ago. It seems for no return, your man is benefiting from the fruits of that labor. I think it is quite humorous that you would use this whole issue and the logic that carries over when the man sitting at 1600 is doing the exact same thing. There was no vote on Libya. No vote on Uganda, Pakistan, Yemen, etc. We’ve escalated wars all over the world now and what return have we seen? More escalation. More defense spending. More rights suppressed on the homefront in national security. You can say handful all you want but the vast majority were all cheering in the crowd when a vote (yes an actual vote which is more than we can say for the current guy) was made.
I guess the escalations made under your guy are quite fine with you. I guess the expansions in spending and sending troops to even more nations since January 20, 2009 are fine? I guess Predator drone attacks that have violated international laws and killed untold numbers of civilians and our own troops is satisfactory? You see, you live in the past on something that cannot be changed. But when the same crimes and travesties occur under YOUR man, you have no problem with that. YOUR logic is flawed. YOU have failed. You cannot even meet your own standards. Your argument is weak. Try living in the present. Try holding the man actually sitting in the White House up to your own bar.
As for the weapons systems you speak of, I guess when the factories shut down, people are laid off, businesses in the towns fail, and real estate tanks, they will find comfort in possibly being in line for a job to drive the street sweeper. Hopefully it will be big enough to live in as well. You see, there are consequences to things you hate. There are people who do in fact live off of that job. There are entire towns that thrive off of that. So those middle class families you would throw to the street, you may want to find something to replace what they would lose. This is one reason why many voters do not support blind thinking like yours. Personally I’d rather see an entire agency of government get hacked rather than a town if there was a choice between the two. Think a little beyond the talking points. We’re not just talking numbers here.
Rocket Science
October 28th, 2011
2:51 pm
Hmmm….let’s see. Obama’s nationwide numbers have dropped well over 20 points since election. Obama received 47% in Georgia. So someone tell me how it is far fetched that he would drop 9% in Georgia when he’s dropped over 20% nationally? Someone mentioned earlier that even within his own base he’s taken hits. Add to the independents in this state, it is not that difficult to think he dropped 9% from what he received in votes. Yeah, I’d say too many liberals with axes to grind are quick to jump on this as being some biased poll by some Republican. Never mind the common sense that actually shows it to be fairly accurate and on par with polling in other states as well as nationally.
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
3:11 pm
Who trust the polls they predict Obama will lose in 2008 but he came out to win the election.
It still early and people dont trust polls.
cartoon
October 28th, 2011
3:12 pm
I wouldn’t put it that way.
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
3:13 pm
the polls show do nothing congress is 9% and the republican congress is 16% and democrat is 28% and the president poll is 46%
clem
October 28th, 2011
3:17 pm
look who GA elected governor/general assembly & congressment past 8 years and then look at its sterling record of achievemnt
Bert
October 28th, 2011
3:46 pm
Independent Voter – which polls said Obama would lose? I think you amusing. One post you discount polls and the next post you use polls to make a point. So you either trust them or distrust them. You sound like Mitt Romney here. You can’t have it both ways.
Obama is Wrong
October 28th, 2011
3:49 pm
I read through these posts periodically and cannot understand how any sane individual could conclude anything else except Obama as a complete and utter failure:
TARP = Wrong
Stimulus = Wrong
Healthcare = Wrong
Repeal of DADT = Wrong
Bailout of GM/Chrysler = Wrong
Cash for Clunkers = Wrong
Coming to aid of Libya rebels = Wrong
Not coming to aid of Iranian rebels = Wrong
Opposing Boeing move to SC of its manufacturing plant = Wrong
Making it easier on Unions = Wrong
Raising the debt ceiling w/o cutting spending = Wrong
I’ve heard it said even a blind squirrel sometimes finds a nut, but Obama isn’t even up to par with a blind squirrel. Of course maybe he’s just the nut (i.e., hopelessly lost).
After Bush in 2008, we should have voted in a more conservative president instead of a more socialist one. We have the opportunity to correct that in 2012. We don’t need socialists, liberals, moderates, or RINOs, only conservative policies will get us out of the hole Obama and the libs have dug for us.
honested
October 28th, 2011
4:07 pm
o is wrong,
I believe the one who got all of those items wrong is probably you, although I do wish he had supported nationalizing healthcare. Of course, he never campaigned on that so it would have been a stretch to suppose he would support it.
TARP was a shrub policy, but I am glad the President continued it rather than allow the shrub depression to get even worse.
Otherwise, you seem to just be out in wrong field.
honested
October 28th, 2011
4:14 pm
bert,
Back to the outrageous waste on pointless weapons.
So your faith in the imaginary ‘free market’ is not sufficient to believe that the weapons factories could be successfully converted into real factories manufacturing products that citizens need?
Obama is Wrong
October 28th, 2011
4:19 pm
honested,
All the Republicans have to do is ask one simple question to every voter, “Is the country better off now than it was 3 years ago?” I don’t know how anyone can answer yes to that question. Fewer jobs, more debt, more instability with other countries. We are going downhill fast. I didn’t think anybody could be worse than Carter. . . until Obama came along.
Bert
October 28th, 2011
4:25 pm
honested – not sure where you got I had faith in the free markets out of what I said. I love how you get creative with people’s posts and drift off in your own world of comments. But by all means please tell me if Lockheed were shut down or any other defense plant were shut down, tell me what would take its place and on what sort of timetable and what goes on with the laid off workers in the meantime. I would love to hear your conversion plan. Especially in the current climate where there is little demand for much of anything now. Somehow you pull some imaginary need of some product out of thin air to compare to the scale to create jobs and provide a product or service no one has thought of. Perhaps you need to be in charge of the recovery.
honested
October 28th, 2011
4:29 pm
bert,
So like it or not or whether there is anything of value being produced, the repugs in Cobb County are entirely dependent on ‘government jobs’ for the foreseeable future?
Right?
How do you feel about appropriate taxation to help provide jobs for teachers, firefighters, policemen and EMT’s, you know, people doing jobs that actually BENEFIT other Americans?
honested
October 28th, 2011
4:33 pm
o is wrong,
I for one am better off than 3 years ago.
The downward spiral of my customers being laid off has long stopped and most of them are getting back to work.
It took 8 years with almost no opposition to dig the hole. Reason suggests it will take at least 8 to fix the damage.
Chris
October 28th, 2011
4:33 pm
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clem
October 28th, 2011
4:36 pm
o your braindead, question should be how bad would this country be if a republican won (after all w got us to the brink)…..my goodness, the wealth disparity would be even greater, the rich would be figuring out which country to move to, while knuckleheads like you would be losing your job, assuming you have one…oh, by the way, why don’t you sign up for the military since you seem eager to push iran’s button…
sure dems have made mistakes, but choosing one of the repub hopefuls is not the answer
get money out of politics
Bert
October 28th, 2011
4:47 pm
honested – you’re clueless for somehow saying only Republicans in Cobb are benefiting from this. Do you even get out into the real world? Take off your tinfoil partisan hate hat for a second. You do realize people work at these places beyond White Anglo-Saxon Christian Republicans right? Or are you truly that stupid? And I’m waiting for your ‘conversion’ plan. Ahhh…nevermind. You’re just about whining but not offering solutions. What you despise you are yourself.
So your standard is if anything of value is produced – nice. Thank you. So you are telling me we can probably cut 2/3 of the government jobs out there especially of all this growth in government Obama has made since being in office? I’d say THOSE cuts could provide for paying the fire, police, etc.
Speaking of paying police, I see the OccupyMomsBasement groups are now in a dilemma. They use fire and police as a prop but are now calling them fascist pigs for telling them to go home and leave parks. Hard to use police as props when you call them names. Exposed for hypocrites.
And 8 years with no opposition? You’re right. Dems were on board every step of the way. This was not Bush’s fault. This downturn has quite a few to blame. Your ignorance and short sightedness coupled with no grasp of the facts shows. Here’s a good example. The first one indicted for Goldman Sachs – a major Dem bundler. You know Bank of America right? You know the 40K layoffs and hiked fees right? Funny that the CEO has a very close relationship with Dodd and Frank – the ones who passed banking reform right? Seems they passed something that gives their friend at BoA a pass to jack up fees and lay off people even after bailouts. But this CEO, a registered Democrat and major donor, is evil right? Seems the ones causing the problems have no ties to Bush at all but have seen favored legislation passed by Dems to help pad pockets and exempt them from punishment.
td
October 28th, 2011
4:49 pm
Shine
October 28th, 2011
1:36 pm
Berty, no doubt they vote for it. Just funny how the so called “we serious about spending cuts” bunch (price, kingston, etc) cant get enough of that outrageous defense(offense) budget. while whining about this and that they slap themselves on the back for voting for 700 billion plus of idiotic spending every year.
You do realize that our national defense and making sure the states play fair with each other is the only real duties the Federal government has under the Constitution? Everything else in the budget should be cut first before defense.
honested
October 28th, 2011
4:55 pm
bert,
Reading your posts is almost as entertaining as listening to talk radio to keep my boycott list current.
Snippets of half-truths tied together pretending to make a cogent point, all the while pretending the world was a perfect place when President Obama took office.
I don’t really care who works for the enterprise building 3 billion apiece aircraft that have no mission. That money could be funding the professions I already mentioned, funding a new CCC or WPA, renaming and re-signing everything that had ronald ray-gun’s name attached to it. There are so many projects that meet a real need while we pretend we need to arm ourselves against a coming Klingon assault.
The only problem with Dodd-Frank is it doesn’t go nearly far enough. It is probably time to start on phase 2 while the banksters are on their heels. I have no affection for lobbyists on either side of the issue, but to cherry pick a few here and there and pretend the un-convicted arsonist (Issa) is doing America any favors is obviously ‘filtering’ the truth.
td
October 28th, 2011
5:09 pm
Chuck Doberman
October 28th, 2011
2:19 pm
“No to gov’t control of wages”
We agree.
“Yes to more education $”
where has it ever been proven that money equals Education? Why is it that there are many countries in the world spend less per child but get better results?
“Yes to declaring capital gains as income and taxed as such”
So in other words everyone with a 401k or a pension plan to not be able to retire or have 15% to 20% less money in the accounts.
So, other than tax cuts for large coeporations and deregulation (for large corporations) what would you do to address the wage gap and the fact that those with the capital to spend or invest are sitting on it and stifling any recovery?
Two items to consider:
1: Wealth is built from people in small businesses so I would take away all the nit picking rules to start a business. You can also change the laws to help more innovation in small business by exempting their tax liability for the first 5 years of business.
2: If you look at the stats carefully then you will find that it has been calculated from household income. Since our households are being headed more and more by single parents then you can lessen the gap by eliminating the no fault divorce and taking away the rewards for being a unwed mother.
“No to more welfare $”
Agree
“No to gov’t health care”
Agree
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td
October 28th, 2011
5:17 pm
Independent voter
October 28th, 2011
2:29 pm
Td if president doing a bad job I say run for office you might win because you a teaparty member
Wrong again my friend. I do not belong to the Tea Party. I do support there efforts. I am a far right physical conservative and socially a libertarian. I do see a role for government. The Federal government should do what it is Constitutionally required to do and everything else should be left up to the state governments. We should take care of the old that have worked during their lives. We should take care of those that can not take care of themselves (the truly disabled not most of the fake crap on SSI today). We must take care of Vets. The states should have temporary programs for when we have downturns in the economy and the states should do whatever for the people that the people in those states feel is best.
BILLY MAYS HERE
October 28th, 2011
5:20 pm
>> Stop replying to td. You’re just legitimizing him. Just don’t do it. <<
td
October 28th, 2011
5:28 pm
honested
October 28th, 2011
2:29 pm
“Blame the handful of DINO’s that went along with the nonsense”
You keep trying to spin that hardly any Dems voted for the war resolution. So, I decided to look up the actual votes.
“For the record, according to a very useful and concise discussion on Wikipedia, “The 2002 Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public law 107-243, 116 Stat. 1497-1502) was a law passed by the United States Congress authorizing what was soon to become the Iraq War. The authorization was sought by President George W. Bush. Introduced as H.J.Res. 114, it passed the House on October 10, 2002 by a vote of 296-133, and by the Senate on October 11 by a vote of 77-23. It was signed into law by President Bush on October 16.”
In the House, 215 Republicans voted Yes, 6 No and 2 Present; 81 Democrats voted Yes, 126 No (61% of the delegation) and 1 Present; the sole Independent voted No. The final vote was 296 Yes (69% of the House), 133 No, and 3 Present.
In the Senate, 28 Democrats voted Yes (56% of the delegation, including Senators Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, Biden, Bayh, and Daschle) and 22 voted No; 49 Republicans voted Yes and one voted No (Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island). Note that the Democrats controlled the Senate and could have postponed a vote on the Resolution until after the November election.”
So Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, Biden, Bayh, and Daschle are all DINO’s? Shows everyone how far to the left you are.
Bert
October 28th, 2011
5:28 pm
Oh believe me honested – I’ve had more entertainment coming from flushing a toilet than reading your recycled arguments. It’s the same…’blame Bush’. Over and over. It got old a decade ago. I never said the world was perfect when Obama took office. Again, you’re inventing argument for the sake of yourself having a point to make. Try focusing on what I actually said rather than argue some fictitious argument you made up in your head. Hard for you to make a rational and reasoned argument when half of what you argue was never said to begin with.
And I see your solutions are the failed ones from last century. Those worked well. It took a war to get us out of the Depression and you want to get people living in camps in rural areas. Busy work. Nothing says economy builder like temporary part time minimum wage jobs. At least working at the defense plant, they get good old unionized pensions and healthcare. Good wages. I thought your side was all about waste to protect union jobs. Hmm.
I guess you really don’t understand Dodd-Frank. Not surprising. It was written to look tough on banks while actually giving them loopholes and ways out. Again, the banks are the ones cozying up to Dodd, Frank, and all the others who wrote this. Again, the CEO of BoA as an example – it was designed to pander to voters to “get tough” on banks all while helping the people who were bought and paid for. D-F was a smoke and mirrors piece of legislation. Dems are the ones in bed with the banks. Look at their boards and CEO’s. Almost all of them are registered Dems and many of them bundlers, But you still buy the nonsense that they are evil capitalists in bed with the GOP. Poor simple man.
td
October 28th, 2011
5:31 pm
BILLY MAYS HERE
October 28th, 2011
5:20 pm
>> Stop replying to td. You’re just legitimizing him. Just don’t do it. <<
Yes, go ahead and stop so you too can show you do not have the intellectual capibility to defend your philosopy like this poster has proven.
BILLY MAYS HERE
October 28th, 2011
5:57 pm
Bert
October 28th, 2011
5:28 pm
It took a war to get us out of the Depression…
Hmm yes let’s start another war those seem to be doing miracles for our economy as of late
honested
October 28th, 2011
5:57 pm
bert,
How did the majority of infrastructure at our National Parks get built?
I’m all for civilized union jobs with appropriate wages and benefits……building, making and doing things that benefit Americans directly.
To the last point, I guess we agree that overturning Citizens United, banning all corporate contributions, sticking to strict donation limits, eliminating ’super PAC’s’ and moving to public finance of campaigns (even at the state level where we are substantially less regulated than the Feds).
What else was your point?
honested
October 28th, 2011
5:58 pm
Oh yeah I forgot, wars.
What war do the repugs want to drag us into next?
Just wondering.
honested
October 28th, 2011
6:04 pm
tiny dog (yipping around my ankles)
You can’t seem to even divine from the Iraqi War of Choice authorization vote that the MAJORITY OF DEMOCRATS OPPOSED IT. Luckily we have rid many of the blue dog Dinos in the last election.
( I know, they were often replaced by teapottys, but the incompetence those people have shown helps demonstrate their 19% approval rating).
clem
October 28th, 2011
6:08 pm
bert, and the answer to the financial collapse is to do nothing? sure dems bought and paid for, but so are the repubs, the banksters and wall st generally hedge their bets….
what this country has now sunken to is socially irresponsible capitalism
i listened to colburn today saying is was not money in politics but character of office holders….geez louise, what an idiot
Bert
October 28th, 2011
6:09 pm
Billy Mays – here go the logical fallacies again. Did I say start a war to get us out? Try offering something rational to the debate. Fallacies and sophomoric comments are not included.
honested – what infrastructure are you referring to? What I see in the parks now is not from that era. So jobs do not benefit Americans directly? Your argument is flawed.
If it were up to me it would be pure individuals contributing to campaigns. I’d get rid of all of that PAC money to include unions as well. Both sides are abusing that aspect of free speech. And it is why no true reform will take place. AFSCME, SEIU, NEA, UAW, etc. all are just as guilty in this as corporations. But again, since all sides in power benefit, this will never change. Problem is that once this is considered speech it purely cannot be regulated. Those with the most money can still give the most. Too many situations where a collection of judges can allow loopholes.
Bert
October 28th, 2011
6:15 pm
Wars….you mean all of the escalations Obummer has us in. Biden is Cheney with hair plugs. You do realize we are in far more countries across the globe under Obama than Bush cared to dream of right? But I forgot…only the GOP are the war mongers. You people have no clue. You ignore the facts…so wrapped up in your petty hatred of Bush you cannot even see reality in front of you. Obama picked up right where Bush left off and has us in deeper than Bush was able to do. Why? Because the blind kool aid drinkers like you are so focused on Bush he can press on and you won’t say a word. To show you just how stupid you are, you cheer Osama and Gaddafi nevermind the fact that this was Bush Doctrine amped up on Red Bull. You hate all of Bush’s wars but yet Obama adds to those, you say nothing. Foolish and ignorant.
td
October 28th, 2011
6:59 pm
honested
October 28th, 2011
6:04 pm
28 yes and 22 no in the Senate is a majority? 81 yes and 126 no in the house is a majority. Oh I get it, you combined both houses and said it was a “majority”. I believe if you combine the Dem and Rep vote that you will find that more than 75% of Congress voted for approval. I my view that means the vast majority of our representatives believed the war was the right decision.
Yes, the blue dogs have been purged from the Democratic party in the house and replaced with Tea Party representatives. The same will happen next year in the Senate.
I guess in your thinking progressive party purity is more important than being in charge? I hope more progressives feel the same way so that the Dems will be a minority party forever.
honested
October 28th, 2011
7:08 pm
tiny dog
OOPs misread your senate numbers.
Too many bluedogs in the Senate (luckily, that number is down and there is still a majority).
The Democrat House numbers are clear, they didn’t buy the shrub lie (and history has demonstrated, it was a LIE).
The burp in teapotty numbers has happened, and their current 12% approval demonstrates it.
Crazy people with teabags stapled to their hats seemed to be a good idea to some, but the lack of effectiveness has been proven to the clear majority of Americans.
But keep pretending, it suits you.
honested
October 28th, 2011
7:12 pm
bert,
I made clear suggestions for removing ‘the money’ and you deflect in the nonsense wrong-wing ‘its all the union’s fault line.
Does Galloway offer a prize for being the most ‘doubleplusgood deflector’?
As to the National Parks, the infrastructure development had a beginning. Luckily, political leaders after the new deal had the good sense to continue the trend. This continued until the very early ’80s when the nonsense notion of ‘privatizing’ sent many of the services to offshore contractors.
You rant ‘no clue’ while demonstrating the definition.
If you want to debate facts, you might want to do a little real research and attempt to absorb a few.
Bert
October 28th, 2011
8:14 pm
How did I say it’s the unions fault? I think you need the ‘couldn’t see a fact if it hit me in the face’ award. I’ve said over and over all parties, all groups across the board are at fault. But somehow your ignorance and blindness only sees what you want to see. If anything, your deflection of it’s all Bush’s fault is more like it. Your own posts could be used in a class on debate. Every fallacy could be seen in each of your posts. My question was on replacing the factories you want to shut down. Somehow sending money to police and parks does nothing to retool the factories. And it surely does not help those people find jobs in the ‘meantime’. So again, still waiting for the actual answer to my question. But yet YOU will be the one to deflect. I’ll save you the time…it’s Bush’s fault you cannot answer a simple question right?
Wrong Roosevelt on the national parks but again, you are short on research. Go back to the ACTUAL beginning. You really have no clue do you?
uno
October 29th, 2011
7:16 am
A 38% approval rating should put POTUS well ahead of Senators Shameless and Johnny Who’s approval ratings.
albert
October 31st, 2011
3:25 am
Georgia Democrats should start looking for an alternative candidate in 2012…as well as an alternative to Joe Biden. Our Country is in a mess…and it is every State, every County, every City.
sho'nuff
November 1st, 2011
8:49 am
Yeah right, keep spewing your tall tales in trying to discourage The Obama administration from actively campainging hard in Georgia. How do you square that the Dem’s only lost Georgia by a pitiful 200K votes in 2010? You guys if we are to believe you hate our President so much you would put an incompent in charge of the Nuclear aresenal in a dangerous world. What a joke you all are!